Data Conclusively Proves That The Force Awakens Is Just A Newer Hope

Data Conclusively Proves That The Force Awakens Is Just A Newer Hope

In other news, a bear shits in the woods and the Pope is Catholic. OK, that's a bit dismissive of a fair amount of actual data analysis. McGill University computer science professor Derek Ruths mapped the similarities between the two movies by figuring out how many scenes each character had and how often they interacted with each other.

As reported by Wired, the results were that the character groups and roles are nearly identical — droids, rebels, Force users and so on. Weirdly, though, an algorithm looking at who interacts with whom matched Kylo Ren to Obi-Wan Kenobi and Rey to, of all people, Darth Vader.

"The mapping isn't looking at attributes, it's looking at who interacts with who," Ruths told Wired, "so we get a different retelling of that story."

The numbers tell us one thing, while our instincts about the qualities of the people involved tell us that Rey is obviously more Luke than Vader.

So, on the one hand, the data tells us something we all already knew: The Force Awakens is very similar to A New Hope. On the other hand, it also tells us something we might reject: that the characters matches are different than we think. The question then is whether the themes and characterisations are more true than the numbers.


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    In other news: Who fucking cares?

    Personally I enjoyed it. That's all that matters to me. Why overanalyse the fuck out of it?

      Yeah I do agree a bit here hey? I really like film discussion and analysis but some of this is like flogging a dead horse. It was a great film that was clearly inspired by episode 4. Good times.

        I'm all for discussing a movie generally, I'm all for critiquing a movie, but this is where it goes ridiculous.

        Yes TFA borrowed liberally from what came before it, yes it did. But who cares. It was fun. I think sometimes, we tend to forget that these are just science fiction fantasy movies and we're possibly taking them a little *too* seriously...

          Except that it wasn't fun, it was turgid. Guardians of the Galaxy was fun so if you are confused about what fun is, maybe you need to watch that film. In fact, I'd suggest that Pacific Rim was more fun and a better film than TFA and it was not a very good film, really.

          Lucas supposedly wrote a nine volume story line so I think it is reasonable to expect a new story, not a new version of an old story. It is also one thing to "borrow" but TFA went further, plaguarising wholesale from ANH. The locations looked the same, the battle scenes were just cut/paste and the characters were as one-dimensional and lame as ever.

            Except that it wasn't fun, it was turgid. Guardians of the Galaxy was fun so if you are confused about what fun is, maybe you need to watch that film. In fact, I'd suggest that Pacific Rim was more fun and a better film than TFA and it was not a very good film, really.

            That is of course your opinion, you're entitled to it :) But I disagree entirely. And honestly dude, tone down the saltiness a little. Why is it that Star Wars brings out the worst in peoples conversations???

            Last edited 06/03/16 8:48 pm

            This guy is killing me, can't tell if serious or humour.... too good hahaha.

              Must be comedy if he wants Lucas to write 7 8 and 9 O_O lol

            Lucas supposedly wrote a nine volume story

            Are you in the market for a bridge, by any chance?

      I do agree, in that this is "list makers" on steroids!
      But, I'm pretty sure you would also have to agree that the movie was..
      1. Fvcking lazy. (or safe, which ever you prefer)
      2. Capitalistic in nature. (Money money money..and yes, Im aware of the realities of movie industry)
      It was a "good" movie. But in a universe as rich as Star Wars, it was a wasted chance to give us something we have really been hoping for after Jedi, new story arc's. I'm glad its at least going again, we get to see more of this universe, I really hope the next movies give us some great "new" characters and script.

        I enjoyed it for what it was. Like I said, I'm aware it's a retread but I also am aware (as a history teacher) of humanities habits of being very conservative with *its* technologies too. Starwars to me, just reflected that. We don't tend to change *dramatically* we tend to go back to that well time and time again and try to go bigger, better, but not really very different. Bombs are a good example, infact probably the closest comparison.

        In terms of the arc, I always figured it would be 'similair' to episode 4, to bring in a new crowd (I actually figured they'd use Luke though).

        But then, after the prequels, which in my opinion were borderline unwatchable and lacked any excitement or adventure, anything was truly welcome...

          Yep, it had to rock a balance of a reboot and laying the foundations for new stories. The movie had faults like all do, it's not a perfect film by any means. Haven't enjoyed a SW film like that since the first time I watched Ep 4/5/6, so in my eyes.... it did its job.

    @weresmurf
    I enjoyed it for what it was
    Totally agree.
    That's the part I think I enjoyed the most, the "nostalgia" of pretending to be 7 again watching it for the first time. I took my 14 yr old son and he loved it. I suppose its one of those downsides of aging, you start to sense repetition all the more lol.
    I suppose the story arc, from a very "base" perspective was the repetitious part. I was just hoping for a little more than "more of the same". But again , my opinion, conglomerated with my age count's against me ;). This was "more" a movie for the young, and thats fine, George aimed the original straight at me when I was 7.
    The prequels, well Ill leave that, "bits" were great. and "bits" were bad...
    Lets see what happens next, it wasn't a "bad" start, I can really see some great ideas though for the future. We have "Rian Johnson" at the helm, (well, him along with the Disney) I really liked "Brick" and loved "Looper" (always a fan of time travel SF), hes certainly "creative" and develops his characters well, I'll definitely be near the front of the queue in 2017.
    Cheers

    Last edited 06/03/16 8:04 pm

      Ta for the great conversation. Looper is one of the best timetravel movies of the last decade, only superseded imho by Primer, which was one mindf*** of a movie. Rian Johnson was amazing with Looper, stunning with Breaking Bad and will completely "Empire" this movie, taking the one before it, Space opera fun, and turning it inside out, giving us something grand, emotional, character driven and amazing in comparison. When you compare A New Hope to ESB, there's simply no comparison really, though IV IS fun, ESB is a superior movie on every single front. Johnson I have no doubt will repeat this.

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