Apple TV (2015): Australian Review

After years and years of rumours about the future of Apple TV, we finally have a new one. It's real, it's beautiful, and it's going to change the way you use your living room.

This post was originally published at 12:01PM on October 29.

What Is It?

A new streaming and gaming box from Apple. Maybe the last box you’ll need in your home entertainment cabinet.

The new Apple TV is taller and heavier than its old counterpart. It stands at 35mm high, making it a noticeable 12mm taller than the third-generation Apple TV. It also weighs 153g more than the old Apple TV, tipping the scales at 425g.

It’s powered by a dual-core A8 processor, and also packs in 2GB of RAM. The new Apple TV comes in two different flavours: 32GB and 64GB for $269 and $349 respectively. However many apps, tracks and photos you want to store on your Apple TV will dictate how much space you need.

Truth be told, we haven't been able to figure out the average size of an Apple TV app compared to an iPhone or iPad app in the time that we've been reviewing the unit.

And for what it's worth, the Apple TV appears to stream its content from the iTunes Store and free up the space again when you're done, rather than store all of your content on the disk until you manually delete it.

With this in mind, I can't imagine you'd ever really need the 64GB model unless you're someone who loves to sync stuff like music and photos to the device for faster playback. Apps are going to take up a bit of space on your system alongside the OS, but I can't ever see you struggling for space on a 32GB model unless you install app after app after app on your box.

What’s Good?

There’s so much to love about the new Apple TV.

UI, Apps and Games

First things first: the new Apple TV looks nothing like the Apple TV you’re used to. Thank merciful Christ.

In the old days of the third-generation Apple TV box, app cards were drab, boring, static and seemed really out of step with the bright design language of iOS 9 and WatchOS. Apple TV users were all starting to notice that the grass was greener on the other platforms.

Now with the new unit, Apple TV gets the best of both worlds: a vibrant new UI based on the iOS ecosystem and design language that is genuinely wow-inducing.

Rows of app cards are sticking around in the first generation of tvOS, but now they’re bright, gorgeous and fun. They can be picked up with the trackpad (which we’ll get to) on the new remote and shuffled around like you’d grab and reposition any app on an iPhone or iPad, which serves to personalise the whole experience.

tvOS is based on iOS, which means the massive library of iPhone and iPad apps can easily be ported to the new entertainment box (at the whim of developers, of course). That means that the Apple TV has its very own App Store for the first time.

We tested the App Store pre-launch, which means that there weren't a swathe of tvOS apps waiting to be downloaded, but as more apps go through the approval process, numbers are going to grow rapidly.

Apps that we tested included Crossy Road (which is insanely fun on Apple TV), Netflix, Stan (which is working from launch, yay!), Zova (a fitness app for your home) and Airbnb. All of these apps are fantastic Day One offerings, and even on the pre-release hardware we found that nothing crashed, nothing slowed down and it brought a whole new dimension to the Apple TV.

Gaming is something that’s particularly exciting on the Apple TV, because it opens the box up as the most family-friendly streaming device on the market. Gaming on the Apple TV with your kids takes them off the couch where they might be staring down at an iPad and gets them into the action on the biggest screen on your house.

All that gaming goodness is enhanced by the smart new Remote.

Remote

Speaking of interacting with the UI, the new Apple TV comes with a newly-designed Apple Remote. Gone is the old silver, three-button remote with its directional buttons, instead replaced by a beautiful black remote.

It comes complete with a clickable touch-sensitive trackpad for easy navigation, a Siri button for talking to your TV (we’ll get to that in a moment), and for the first time, a separate Home button and Menu button for multitasking and smart remote functionality.

The trackpad is an insanely fast way to get around on the new Apple TV. It’s a stark contrast to the last Apple TV where every movement of the cursor came from you clicking a directional button. Caveman stuff compared to the new trackpad, which allows you to glide and click around the UI with ease. The trackpad also serves as a way for you to shuttle and scrub your way through a TV show or movie, and it’s a nice new way to use the alphabetical keyboard.

The trackpad is slightly interrupted by the separate Menu and Home buttons, but that’s ok. Those are the buttons you’re going to be using most, and even if you’re large of thumb or forefinger, you’re still going to have enough room to use it comfortably.

It’s great that Apple has separated Menu and Home on the new Remote. On the last Apple Remote, you’d only have a single Menu button that responded to the length of time you pressed. Now you’re given options: long press on Menu is still a function that exists, but giving you access to a bespoke Home button means you can get back to the top of your device in a hurry. It’s smooth and seamless.

The Home button enables multi-tasking functionality. A double-tap takes you to a familiar-looking screen that allows you to jump between the apps you have open in the same way you would on an iPad or iPhone. It works super-quickly, and allows you to jump between apps easily rather than making you go back to the home screen and launch each app separately. Multi-tasking also remembers where you were in a particular app, which makes choosing something to watch a lot easier.

I know that I choose something on Netflix and then have a think if there’s something else I might like to watch on Stan or iTunes. Multi-tasking allows me to line up something to watch on all three services and jump quickly back to the title and the service I eventually settle upon. It’s just a faster way to use your TV.

Under the hood, the remote packs in an accelerometer which allows you to play motion games like Beat Sports from Harmonix. It’s almost like a Diet Nintendo Wii in the way that you game on it. Despite the fact that it communicates over Bluetooth 4.0 and not an optical receiver, it still works insanely well on motion games that involve actions like timed arm flailing and whatnot. Of course, no optical controller means that you’re not about to use the new Apple Remote like a Wiimote.

You can do more serious gaming on the device with a third-party Steelseries Nimbus controller, that's shaped a little bit like an Xbox One controller, so it fits into your hand nicely.

What's great about the remote is that it's also able to control your TV via the HDMI cable. Long-pressing on the Home button triggers a sleep command which also powers off your TV. The TV is woken up by the Apple TV, and the Remote also controls your TV's volume by itself as well. Best of all, there's no set up required like most smart remotes. Just plug and play.

The Remote is powered by a rechargeable battery as opposed to a replaceable watch battery, which we’re told only needs charging a few times a year. When it does need to be charged, you power it up via a Lightning cable. If you don’t already have an iPhone or iPad, don’t worry: Apple bundles a new Lightning cable in the box.

The remote also features a Siri voice button, which leads us conveniently into...

Siri and Universal Search

...Siri.

Siri — Apple’s smart voice assistant — has never felt more at home than on the Apple TV.

The Remote has two microphones: a rear-facing one for ambient noise-cancellation and one on the front of the device for listening to your voice. Activating Siri means that you have to press and hold on the Remote’s microphone button and speaking your request.

She still works on natural language requests, and for the first time adds contextual search abilites to within your results.

Say you’re after a George Clooney movie. You’d ask Siri: “show me movies with George Clooney”. A little drawer will open at the bottom of the screen featuring movies you can get from Netflix and iTunes starring George Clooney. But Clooney actually stars in comedies as well as serious dramas, so on that window you can then ask Siri to “Only show the funny ones”, and she’ll apply your desired filter.

Again, it’s all about speed on Apple TV. Apple wants to cut down on the amount of time you spend searching for a movie and focus on the actual watching of content.

Once you’ve selected a movie, Universal Search pages take over. Almost all the titles we’ve searched for during our time with it have their own special page outside of the iTunes Store that shows you all sorts of information alongside bespoke cast images and different options on how to watch. That’s super important, because it means that Apple allows you to see everything you’re subscribed to in order to consume the content you're paying for.

So, say you search for Orange Is The New Black, you’ll notice that the Universal Search gives you hooks into the iTunes Store where you can buy it, or Netflix where you can instantly stream it if you’re a subscriber, or purchase a subscription via an in-app purchase in order to get started. It’s seamless content across your entire digital life, and that’s totally awesome.

One thing we did notice is that there aren’t any hooks into the Stan ecosystem just yet, nor are there any Foxtel apps for the new Apple TV. It’s disappointing, but surely it’ll come with time.

Siri doesn’t stop being useful while you’re watching a movie, either. She has a whole host of features you can use during a stream to make the experience better.

One feature I like in particular (because I’m deaf) is asking Siri “what did he/she say?” during a movie or TV show. In any app (we’re talking everything from Netflix and iTunes through to TenPlay), Siri will then rewind the action by 15 seconds and enable subtitles (if available). It’d be awesome if in future SIri could answer questions like “who’s that guy/girl?” during complicated films, and tell you quickly how they fit into the plot. Sigh, we can dream.

She also has access to a whole swathe of information like weather and calendar data.

What's Bad?

It's a little disappointing that the new Apple TV doesn't support 4K content. Despite packing a shiny new HDMI 1.4 output (one that can probably send 4K signals to your TV), the Apple TV has a maximum output of 1080p60fps.

iTunes doesn't actually let you purchase or rent TV shows or movies in 4K/UHD, but a service like Netflix absolutely lets you view this high-res content if you're on the $14.99 per month service plan. That means watching 4K Netflix content on your new Apple TV will only give you 1080p results once it gets to your panel.

This is a minor issue, simply because Netflix barely has any 4K content in its catalogue right now, and because there aren't exactly that many 4K screens crying out for this content just yet.

I'm not expecting Apple to fit this thing with a Blu-ray drive capable of 4K playback, but it'd be nice if we could take a screaming leap into the UHD-future by enabling 4K output on the HDMI 1.4 connection.

In a further downer for high-def content lovers, the new Apple TV has done away with the Optical Audio connection. That's not a huge deal if you connect to your sound system via HDMI passthrough, but I guarantee you (like with the 4K issue), there are going to be some disappointed audiophiles and pixel peepers out there.

Speaking of design, God only knows what Apple — a company famous for its incredible designs — is keeping inside the new Apple TV. It's almost twice as tall and just about twice as heavy, but I have absolutely no idea why.

Taking a look at the iFixIt teardown reveals that most of the space is taken up by a new heatsink, probably designed to keep the beefier dual-core A8 chip cool.

Still, the design is still pretty baffling when you consider that the new Apple TV comes from the same company that manages to make the iPhone thinner every year with similar hardware.

Honestly, though, the design of the thing won't worry you one iota the second you put it inside your home entertainment unit. I'm just trying to find things to complain about. To be perfectly honest, there isn't much wrong with the new Apple TV.

The only thing that could go very wrong for the new Apple TV actually has nothing to do with the hardware or even the software itself. It all comes down to those precious partnerships.

Over the years, we've seen countless streaming dongles, boxes and gadgets come across our desk. All of their masters tell us that this is going to be the best* new way to stream content ever.

*What these manufacturers don't tell you is that they haven't secured deals with one or two streaming providers in Australia, meaning that your entertainment experience is just as fragmented as it always has been.

I would guess that if you're reading this review, you understand how big the problem with home streaming is. You probably have a few different streaming boxes at home. Maybe there's a Chromecast in your TV, a console or two inside a cabinet or maybe even just a honking home-theatre PC sitting in your living room taking up space. No matter what you have, the struggle is real: home entertainment is more fragmented now than it ever has been.

The Apple TV, with its hooks into various streaming services and Universal Search is the best hope yet to unify this fragmented world of entertainment into the one box that works with all the services you could possible dream of. Apple has the clout to get these idiots to play along, but it doesn’t look as ready as it could be at launch. Stan is missing from Universal Search, and Foxtel is nowhere to be found.

We’re so close to fixing streaming it hurts.

Should You Buy It?

The answer to whether or not you should buy the Apple TV comes down to whether you own the third-generation box or not.

If this is your first time with Apple TV, I’d recommend the new model. Even if you’re not a fan of buying your content on iTunes, it’s the best way to get new content from almost every streaming service currently in Australia (it’s still missing Foxtel, as we’ve mentioned).

It’s the most powerful and fully-featured box on the market right now (compared to devices like Nexus Player, Chromecast and Telstra TV), and it’s simultaneously the most promising thanks to the possibilities of apps on tvOS. The best use for your TV probably hasn’t even been invented yet, and that’s super exciting.

If you have an old Apple TV, the question of whether you should buy the new one becomes slightly murkier. The third-generation Apple TV features the basic streaming apps like Netflix, the iTunes Store and Stan, which should satiate your basic streaming needs. If you want newer features like games and apps, you’re going to be left wanting. It’s up to you to decide if those new features are worth the $269 investment, but from where we’re sitting, it’s definitely worth the cash.


Comments

    How can you recommend this compared to something like a ps4? The price is similar and the PS4 does netflix and stan just as well, plus isn't anywhere near as one dimensional. Granted there is no remote available for the ps4, but that changes with one due in early November.

      hmmm dont really agree. my ps4 was kinda awkward to use for streaming services. UI is kinda shitty and i much prefer using my current apple tv over the ps4 for netflix and so on.

      How can you say the price is similar? Does the PS4 support the amount of Apps that will be on Apple in the next few months? Does the PS4 have a voice assistant integrated into the apps and content? Does it integrate into your cloud photos and content, what sort of eco system does it have? Its very over powered in spec and size for the average user while still being slow and difficult in the basic functions most use. Just face it your a knob.

        did someone hit a nerve disproving your lord and saviour the late steve jobs?
        if we weren't all correct in what we were saying, you wouldn't be here on the defensive clutching at straws and calling people knobs and nerds to try and sway them to a single narrow mindset that apple are so innovative coming to party late on almost every occasion in the past 5 years.

        Grow up you fool, go buy another iphone.

        Because we are all facing the fact that it is you that is the ever present knob in these discussions.

        You had some valid points but that last sentence was completely unnecessary.

      Agreed. I don't see anything here that make me want to buy beyond what I already have setup with a chrome cast and a PS4. Also any excuse not to use iTunes is good for me. Thx but no thx Apple.

      i didn't realise people were so passionate about how you stream media. No wonder world peace is impossible.

    So many have tried.. I cant believe it has taken so long for my lounge room to be REVOLUTIONISED!

    For gods sake, why does everything apple do and/or release have to be touted as 'will change the way you ***'

    Its a media centre, it has apps. The same apps all my TV's provide (sans queueing)
    My Xbone has had voice control since launch, it has games...

      Oh dear Luke you have upset the hardcore game nerds... They refused to believe there is a world where everyone is not a gamer and does not require an over sized power drainer under their TV.

        Yeah, sure did.
        Because owning an xbox that has 5x the features over an overpriced chromecast (see apple TV) means i am a hardcore gamer nerd? Or just someone who can see outside the oh so fabulous world of all things apple.

        Wake up to yourself, go get yourself a life/game changing apple product and leave common sense alone.

        Im sure one of the new ipad pros that microsoft ripped off will change your life in ways you cant imagine.

        douchebag.

          Wow, nice.
          That escalated quickly.

          I would never have thought to use an xbox just to stream media to my TV, to be honest. I bought a Chromecast (since I have a Chromebook and Android phone, it makes sense to me) and it suits me fine, but I have to say that if I had devices that ran iTunes, I'd probably be very happy with an Apple TV....

    So you can play games, use voice commands and watch TV through apps.

    How does this "change the way you use your living room" exactly?

    My Xbox 360 can do all that and more. Speaking of which, a brand new, 500gb Xbox 360 is the same price as the 32gb version of this. No brainer really (which is why this new apple tv will fly off the shelves!)

    https://ebgames.com.au/xbox360-202766-Xbox-360-500GB-Console--2-Games-Xbox-360

      Xbox 360 is kind of terrible as a media streamer. I literally only use mine for ABC iView because ABC are super lazy at creating new apps. Otherwise the Xbox One totally pants it, plus has a DVB Tuner. Last gen I used my PS3 as a streamer over the 360, but neither were really that great.

    Us old folks have no use for a game console. They're big and clunky and are primarily deigned for playing games. I don't play games, I watch TV. I'm looking forward to the new AppleTV. When do they hit the stores?

      If you don't play games... Buy the old version for cheaper then...

        I already have the older version, which I'll relocate elsewhere. I like the idea of Siri and apps which are specifically designed for the Apple TV.

        The apps are still handy though even if you have zero interest in gaming. Universal search, Siri etc are all other potential reasons to own this. Actually I'd say gaming is pretty far down on the list given the cost of consoles and the fact games have to be developed to support the Apple remote, which may limit what developers can do.

      This is why Microsoft need to release a Kinect + DVB tuner version of the Xbox One with 12 months of Netflix thrown in. Best TV box right now.

    Anyone got an actual PQ review? If this will give the same compressed (even though it's not transcoded) video as ATV3, then that's disappointing.

    Not like the majority of people dont have an ipad or phone (or other tablet) right next to them on the couch when watching TV, so we can look up something or use an app whilst watching the program still on the tv. In this case one would have to stop the show that is being played to access the app too

      The main apps you would use on thing would be to watch tv on, its main purpose is for netflix, stan etc, you may have missed the point.

    I'm glad I finally won't need a JBd aTV to stream from my NAS.
    Don't give a rats arse about games.

    Mine arrives tomorrow. Happy days.

    Hey Luke, is Siri crippled in any way in Aus or does it work 'as advertised'?

    And, does it (show me movies/shows with ) work with shows that come off a NAS, or only with streaming services? I suspect it will only be as good as the metadata.

    Last edited 29/10/15 2:21 pm

      I'd be keen to see how you go playing off a NAS that isnt an itunes server, until 3rd party apps come out.

        Same, could be time for Boxee to retire.

        VLC, Plex, and Infuse (Firecore) are all working on apps now, and should be available soon.

          Yes, and it will be interesting to see what they end up with native in TVOS. if it means you have to stream from an ipad or phone, it will lose me.

            I don't see how or why you would have to stream from another iOS device. Doesn't make any sense. But who know what BS Apple might try and pull.

            I expect it work exactly the same as my JB'd experience, albeit, better integrated into tvOS. I'll let you know when the apps arrive. The package just showed up at work and I'll have it up and running tonight, but I'm not sure how long it will be for media apps to get onto it. I know they've been working on them for quite some time though, so should be soon!

            I'm not interested in Plex. Because I don't want server software running when it's not required. Infuse and VLC should just point straight to the directory/folder on my NAS and I'm away.

            Plex is out apparently

              And plays from Plex NAS servers (may need to update Plex on the NAS)

                I caved. Couldn't wait for Infuse to come out. It's working really well.

      funny, my Samsung tv can access my nas just fine.

        It's not funny at all. I don't have a smart tv. So your situation applies to mine how?

        Last edited 30/10/15 12:43 pm

          at the price point of the apple tv's... its probably going to be cheaper and more cost effective to upgrade the TV.

          I'm sure when tvOS 2/3 releases, it will remove support for your current TV anyway - just in time for apple to get into the TV market.

          Isn't that how they force obsolescence on every other one of their products?

            What the hell are you smoking?

            1. How do I get into the Smart TV game for <= $250?

            2. My 60" plasma has plenty of life in it.

            3. You're proposing a new tvOS is going to stop feeding a signal out through the HDMI port and render my TV obsolete?

            You've lost your mind.

    This is certainly a step forwards and will force the makers of other streaming devices up their game. But from a personal point of view, I will stick with my Intel NUC that can do all this can and so much more.

    If this thing had a webcam it would be bloody awesome. We run ATV2 & ATV3, with plex stan and netflix. I still find airplay to work seamlessly w/ android and ios devices and is used all the time at our place.....Chuck in a webcam so l can skype it would be brilliant for our place (YMMV).

      You can hook up a Web cam to an Nvidia shield and do all that i believe

    Does it support 24fps output? Please say yes! If not, then that is a dealbreaker for me.

      Planning on ripping some blurays are we?

        Nope, most of Netflix original content is in 24P, as are many of the movies, and will stream that way if you have 24P output, and it looks a lot better.

    If I have a family sharing Apple Music account how does the Apple TV handle this?

    I think one thing that has been missed by most punters is the perfect timing of the news that Channel 7 now live stream their 3 digital channels. Nine is following in the coming months and no doubt Ten and the rest will follow suit. I can watch them anywhere I have an Internet connection on an ipad/iPhone etc. Apple have been trying to get the US networks to do this and here we are doing it (or about to). No doubt Channel 7 has an app in the tvOS App store waiting for approval. It is significant for me (and others that have terrible digital TV signal reception but lots of data to stream this content. It's a game changer in the way we (will) watch television.

    Last edited 29/10/15 5:13 pm

    My little Intel NUC cost me $400 and is way more versatile. I can also play sc2 on low graphics with a decent frame rate.

    Last edited 29/10/15 4:59 pm

      Yeah, but you have to install windows, then get the various playback software installed, set it to auto-change refresh rates for 50/60 content, decide on a menu system, run windows updates, have anti-virus software etc. etc. More versatile, but more hassle, especially when the main aim of th device is to be able to just relax and watch something.

        ...and then when something breaks, spend hours troubleshooting it.

        I love my zbox AD12 + xbmc (no, I'm not calling it Kodi. ever.) but it's a solution for 'power users' or dweebs who like tinkering with shit. I want to stream shit from my NAS, or play Vendetta, or use it as a target for subsonic.

        95% of people don't.

        If I was buying something for my sister or my mother in law, I'd buy them an apple tv and know it is going to do everything they want in a simple, straightforward manner with a nice interface and, more importantly, zero trouble. And it's going to support everything they want, without hacky addons that break half the time (looking at you, every single catchup service) or kludging something with browser windows because the addons are terribad (*cough* youtube).

        Last edited 30/10/15 9:51 am

    - Stan (which is working from launch, yay!)
    Is it really working or is it still hobbled ie does it have watch history and profiles??

      I hope it has watch history sorted. But it seems they can't even implement universal search on the bloody thing. I'll wait for their LG TV app in November. Till then I'll stick with the PS4 app.

    There are so many better options out there, unless your live in the apple ecosystem. Buy a raspberry pi two for $50 and put windows 10 or xmbc on it. All if you wanna pay more get xbox one its alot more powerful, and has all the apps for the streaming services and plex. You can also play decent games. I really dont know how gizmodo can recommend this; i guess its because its apple.

      Not because it is apple, but because not everyone wants to go and get a Raspberry Pi, and sort out a case, install an OS, work out what playback system to choose, trouble-shoot it, try and get the various streaming services on it, get it working with their phone, then try and get voice commands or a decent remote setup etc. etc.
      Some people enjoy fiddling and tweaking, others just want to turn on the box, sit back and find something to watch, quickly and stress free.
      I know that I choose something on Netflix and then have a think if there’s something else I might like to watch on Stan or iTunes. Multi-tasking allows me to line up something to watch on all three services and jump quickly back to the title and the service I eventually settle upon. It’s just a faster way to use your TV.
      That kind of thing is not something XBMC was doing last time I was running it, (it might be now I haven't run it for a year or so).

      Also, factor in the cost of Windows on your Raspberry pi, a case, a remote, some storage and your time, and it comes to a fair wad of cash, and is missing a lot of the integration that something like the ATV offers.

      Last edited 29/10/15 8:55 pm

        Raspberry pi 2 - $40
        case - $10
        microSD - $15
        nano N wifi dongle - $10
        hmmm that's still much cheaper. it's a simple windows program to image an SD card with Rasplex which can play all your media from your home PC and also do netflix streaming ,etc via channels. The case and the dongle are optional too... You can control it with your TV remote as it uses HDMI-CEC ,etc
        If all you cared about was netflix, stan, etc then I'd buy a chromecast for 40 bucks. This again is another apple product made by slaves for sheep. No offense but just because something is more expensive doesn't make it better. If people want to waste their money that's fine I just think people need to realize there are other/better and cheaper options out there. We need to get away from this oh I have an apple product already so i better stick with apple from now on.

          Okay, I dug out my Pi2, and installed Win10 last night, didn't know it was free, that is pretty cool.
          Problem is, after playing with it for hours last night, it is clunky as all hell. Needs a heatsink too, the chip is running crazy hot when running compressed video.
          I don't see that a case is optional, you also forgot a power supply.
          What you end up with is a hacky, somewhat clunky thing, that does well on some things, poorly on others and doesn't work at all with a few. It was great at times, then frustrating as crap sometimes.

          No unified interface, have to drop in and out of different packages to do different things, no voice control, and an overall worse experience.
          Just because people like a smooth, well integrated UI with a pretty seamless and trouble free experience, doesn't make them sheep. Some people value their time and lack of frustration more than others. Some people enjoy the hacky nature of the Pi (I'm one of them) and tinkering is part of the fun. Others just want to sit down, enjoy their watching experience, and not have to fiddle about. Not everyone wants what you want, or what I want, that doesn't make them stupid, or sheep or suckers.

          Just because something is more expensive doesn't make it better, but the ATV experience, remote, multiple service integration, features and daily usage are far, far better than the Pi in this case. As you would hope with something that costs more and has a ton of R&;D behind it.

          Last edited 30/10/15 1:07 pm

            well said.
            Probably the only relevant and poignant comment and defence of the ATV.

            It could do with being a bit cheaper though all things considered.
            The name and logo are certainly accounting for at least 40% of the asking price unfortunately.

              umm not really, I quite clearly stated that you should install rasplex which has a GREAT UI and my pi hangs on the back of my TV with no case or heatsink wtf? way to take my post and do the worst possible scenario....

        Windows 10 is free on raspberry. You could also just use windows apps to get your favourite streaming services and play back aps or the web browser if not available. Xbmc (kodi) is easy to intall with just using image. All get chromecast its just as easy.

          The free Windows 10 is vastly different to that most people will be familiar with, and arguably comfortable with using for anything. Perhaps it'll suit many people, but I suspect it won't meet many peoples needs - http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-on-the-raspberry-pi-what-you-need-to-know/

    for that price, I rather buy PS4... and this is coming from a person that has all Apple. :D

    If it doesn't come with Halo 5 and an Xbox One controller, then it's just another black box, no thanks, I'll pass.

    I was all keen TILL I SEEN THE PRICE.. WTF.

      I was thinking exactly the same thing. I would have had one by now if it wasn't for the price. I'll start looking around at viable alternatives. What had me sold was the fact that I'd have to do zero maintenance on it, and my wife/kids would be able to use it to play almost anything without my assistance.

      About the only thing it appeared to be missing (for me) is the ability to be a Plex media server - unless I'm mistaken, when the Plex app comes out it'll just be a client (my current NAS can't run as a server).

    4K is the future, with apple leaving so many products languishing for years without updates this is a joke. With the NBN close for most australians and netflix in 4K.

    I bet 3 years from now ATV will still be stuck at 1080p, with everyone laughing at it.

      NBN project is on pause with no ETA on resume for a lot of Australia, actually. Also, tiers 1 & 2 are not suitable for 4K Netflix, as it requires 24-25Mbps (tier 2 is 25Mbps, so not suitable due to extra overhead).

      Yes, 3 years from now ATV will be 1080p. And we will be crying on our ADSL connections.

    There's a fascinating article on The Verge about how the new Apple TV manages app data on your behalf, installing and deleting parts of apps as necessary. All start with a sub-200mb initial install (as mandated by Apple) then other modules are added and removed (i.e. tutorial levels in games) .I agree re the unlikely need for the 64GB model given that article, especially seeing how ridiculously it is priced.

    Re last comment.. May not actually be on The Verge.. One of those related sites though. They're not good with brand retention either way, it seems :P.

    Dumb question probably, but is it possible to watch Presto via the Apple TV? There are native apps for Netflix and Stan, but not Presto. There's a Presto app on the app store, but I'm assuming this would need to be ported to tvOS before it can be loaded/run on the Apple TV.

    I have 2 Xbox Ones, a Nexus Player, a Chromecast 1, a Chromecast 2, and an AppleTV 3. I also have 2 Mac Minis that run Plex.

    I've ordered - and will receive today - the ATV4.

    I have a QNAP that runs PMS and I use Spotify, Apple Music, and Netflix.

    All my devices have different uses around the house and none of them is fit for purpose for every single usage scenario.

    I'm confident that the new Apple TV will fit into my existing ecosystem and add some capabilities that I don't currently have - or streamline some of the things I already do with other devices.

    Will it replace several of my existing devices with a single unit that performs all of their functions? Maybe, but I'm doubtful...

    My biggest wish in the current world of home media is not actually a device that has all of the streaming services in one place - that's never going to happen.

    What I really want is something that can do Airplay AND Chromecast in one box.

    Ok I'm kind of afraid to type this here, having Apple, Sony, Google & Microsoft fanboys plus custom computer building extraordinaires and the "less tech savvy average consumer" all converging in one forum is recipe for disaster but here goes nothing.

    A lot of the comments are saying "why would I buy this when I can get a ps4/Xbox for around about the same price" - but what if the consumer just wants a device that starts instantaneously (ie not waiting for the ps4 to stroll out of bed, read the paper and drink its morning coffee before deciding to do some work). Also one The Apple TV's major USPs is the ability to access content from all popular services in one place, a majorly convenient feature for the Apple TV's target market - for the lack of a better word let's call them "regular folk".

    So what I'm trying to get at here is instead of just dissing Apple for not designing a device that ticks every single box for your individual needs - respect the Apple TV for who and what it was for and does incredibly well, and if it doesn't suit you then don't buy it.

    Sincerely,

    Apple fanboy (who won't be buying an Apple TV as he uses a HTPC cause he likes to tinker)

    Well here's the thing. I run a MythTV backend with multiple frontends around the house.
    This has a high wife and kids acceptance factor for all recorded tv. (google it if you dont know what it is)
    I also use a couple of PS3's connected to different TVs for streaming Netflix and NHL Live.
    The problem with using the PS3's is the time it takes to boot, then login, then start the streaming apps. The NHL Live app was also a PITA to get as its not in the Australian Playstation Store. So I had to create a US account just to be able to download it. Even then its slow and clunky and not fun at all to use.
    Anyway, long story short, I had a win on the Melbourne cup so I went straight to the Apple store and picked up an ATV4. Setup was a dream, just put my iPhone next to it and it automatically picked up all the details for my WiFi, Apple ID and iTunes accounts. It was less than 5 minutes and I was watching NHL Live. And the video quality is so much better than the PS3. Plus it boots almost instantly and loads the apps super fast.
    I love it.......

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