Australian Federal Police: We Could Use Metadata To Prosecute Pirates [Update]

Worried that your metadata could be used to prosecute you in a piracy case? You should be: the Australian Federal Police Commissioner thinks that metadata could be very helpful to prosecute pirates. Updated with comments from Attorney General George Brandis.

When asked if stored metadata could be used to combat piracy, Australian Federal Police Commissioner, Andrew Colvin, replied at a press conference that the stored data of Australians could be used for a whole number of things, including anti-piracy:

"Absolutely. Any interface or connection someone has over the internet, we need to be able to identify the parties to that collection. Illegal downloads, piracy, cyber crimes, cyber security. Our ability to investigate them is pinned to the ability to retrieve metadata," Colvin told journalists.

In the context of the upcoming crackdown on piracy, Malcolm Turnbull quickly qualified the statement saying rights holders probably wouldn't be interested in getting access to metadata. Simply put, Turnbull said, rights holders already have mechanisms with which to identify and pursue those engaging in illegal file sharing:

"A lot of internet piracy, downloading and sharing material is done by way of file-sharing, but the way that works is a torrent stream is created in which there are a whole number of computers with their own IPs that are sharing this pirated content. What the rights owners do is they use different programs to participate in the swarm and identify the IP addresses of the computers infringing copyright, and then they seek from the ISPs via subpoena the account details of the holder. They do this pretty much in real-time so the two year holding of data doesn’t make a big difference in terms of copyright infringement, they’re dealing with the here and now. The police commissioners interests tend to be much longer. It is relevant and it happens all the time."

Update (5:30pm): Attorney General George Brandis has also distanced himself from the comments of the AFP Commissioner, saying that data retention won't be used to prosecute pirates.

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Comments

    So it begins: mission creep.

      You think they'd only use that data for anti-terror purposes? They're gonna mine the fuck outta that data.

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        Last edited 12/08/16 6:17 pm

    I am actually quite impressed that Malcolm Turnbull understands how torrents work and how right holders are able to catch people using them for illegal purposes.

      That's because parliament is full of unrepresentative swill voted in by sheep.
      No, of MPs who understand technology in government - 1 (Turnbull)
      No. of MPs who understand technology in oppositition - 0

        He's the most informed of the lot, true. But even then his knowledge is lacklustre.

        If he really knew about IT he'd see the fundamental flaw with meta-data and how it is more likely to backfire than work.

        To use their own analogy: if I receive a letter from someone I know, how do I know that there is indeed a letter in there for me and not a piece of unsavoury rubbish from a high school prankster the next street down?

        The honest answer is, I won't.

        To know I have to inspect the contents as meta-data on the envelope has no means of being verified unless I actually visit the someone I know and ask them if they did send me this letter and even then there is a 50/50 chance the message has been intercepted and tampered with.

        Meta-data is only workable in very limited contexts.

          Turnbull does see the flaws, he argued the case against collecting all the metadata quite recently, but has now been forced to stick to the Coalition party line.

            Then Turnbull should take a page from Labor member Brendan O'Connor and show some backbone.

            But that's just me being wishful.

        In the senate you'll find Kate Lundy (ALP, ACT) to be quite clueful, as well as Scott Ludlam (Green, WA) , that's two counter examples just off the top of my head.

        Turnbull is a YALIP (Yet Another Lawyer In Parliament), at least he had a career beforehand unlike most of the rest of them, such a pity he's so spineless.

      He helped run an ISP and has spent pretty much his whole career in the IT industry (before entering politics)

      He should know how it works.

        He should know how to profit using his political position.

        FTFY

      malcolm Turnball-i mean Turn bull is not just a right wing Luddite. He used to be a board member of a particular ISP, Ozemail. His biggest issue is that he is a true right wing liberal, focussing on the numbers when it comes to running a business, and avoiding making investments that may not make tge profit investors want to see

    Of course it is, and of course they will. Just like the other article about the abuse of the Patriot Act in the US.

    but the internet is just a series of tubes, amiright..?

    VPN..!
    getagoodone

    Last edited 30/10/14 11:56 am

      Any recommendations on a good one?

        PIA

          That's Private Internet Access for anyone not familiar with the acronym.

          PIA's abilities depend on who you have the internet with. Under TPG or iinet they should be OK, but if your with Telstra or Optus they will be slow and you should look elsewhere. This is because most of PIA's servers are in Europe and Canada and the ones in Hong Kong are often congested.

          For some people PIA has become very slow lately, but for others its great - it depends on who you are with, what your line speed is, and what your expectations are.

          All VPNs will drop a bit of speed because the computer you are connecting to encrypts the traffic, before sending it on to your computer which then has to decrypt it.

          The processor and RAM in your machine can also make a difference once you start talking speeds higher than 20 megabits per second.

          VPN Ranks put up this list:
          www.vpnranks.com/torrent-vpn/

          Those rankings pretty much match my personal experience.

          I have a mate with Telstra Cable, after trying a few different VPNs on Telstra 4G for him, I recommended invisible browsing VPN's torrent plan and his happy with it.

          When looking for a VPN, look for one with servers in Asia that allow torrents, and for Telstra customers servers in Indonesia are particularly good, with Hong Kong/China/Thailand/India good for TPG customers.

          Also for your own privacy, particularly if you or someone you live with has a sensitive job, look at where the VPN is based. VPNs based in Hong Kong, Russia, Indonesia, Africa (and the islands off it's coast, like Seychelles) are particularly good because those countries aren't signatories to the trans pacfiic partnership agreement, or the anti-counterfeiting trade agreement.

          Oh and whether your provider blocks it or not (most block it) if you send torrent traffic through any VPN server operating here in Australia you are asking for trouble. Save Australia for when you are overseas and you want to watch the AFL or the cricket.

          Last edited 30/10/14 2:57 pm

            Question

            Would it be easier if i just set up a seedbox to dl the torrents

            then direct download from the seedbox?

              If the past behaviour of rights holders is anything to go by, if they find the seed box they'll try and find who put it there.

              If unless you tinker with the seed box, there maybe logs in the seedbox pointing to you. Even if you use a VPN the seedbox would be at the end of the VPN tunnel thus giving you away.

                Seedbox companies are there to facilitate piracy. They know exactly what your using it for.

                donate2seed and ultraseedbox are 2 examples of companies that only ask for an e-mail address and payment. They don't know your name, your address, or any other detail about you - even who you are paying each month is fairly ambiguous but if you are concerned, setup a prepaid credit card and ask your chosen company if you can pay by the year with a different card.

                They will also use seperate logins for the billing system vs the seedbox itself.

                I have seen ridiculous examples where companies ask for a copy of your passport or drivers license as proof of ID so LOOK CAREFULLY at what's required and the privacy statement before signing up.

                Those crazy examples are more for dedicated seedbox and VPS servers so either look carefully or don't use those at all.
                A shared seedbox is best for your privacy, not so great for speed but the speed of your internet here in Australia is going to be the main bottleneck.

                I have tried a few shared seedboxes and over 4G I can get down 3.5 megabytes a second (about 28 megabits per second) easily enough.

                Also, as with VPNs, look at the country where your box is located, and the country where the seedbox company runs it's operations from.

                Lifehacker/Gizmodo need an article on this.

                Last edited 30/10/14 3:38 pm

              Yes, but that also requires using a private tracker. Some seedboxes are happy for you to use public websites (like the pirate bay) but most aren't.

              However most people would prefer a VPN where it is one fixed yearly cost, rather than paying by the month.

              A seedbox with 400Gb disk is about $15 a month, 100Gb is around $5 a month, and 900Gb is around $20-25 a month. Some even give you free VPN connections, to secure you downloading the content back from the box (but HTTPS, SFTP or FTPES should be fine)

              For Chromebook, look for one with HTTPS downloading, the ftp client on that is buggy
              For Windows, if your box has HTTPS then use DownThemAll in firefox to download the content as it is very fast. Otherwise cuteftp with a properly setup segmented download function (many seedbox providers give tutorials on setting this up) is just as good.
              Similar guides exist for mac.

              For Android phones and tablets, the fastest way to get the content back is to use the openvpn connection the seedbox company provides, and use plain vanilla FTP. OR use FTPES in the app "andftp"

              SFTP (which is FTP sent via a SSH tunnel) is awfully slow on android. Painfully slow.

                thanks any recomendations of seedbox companies?

                i wonder if there is a market for local australian seedboxes

                  On Australian seedboxes:
                  There would definitely be a market - but the cost would be $50 a month for a 50Gb box with a 200Gb upload limit lol
                  Plus it would get raided constantly until it was out of business.

                  To give you some idea, compare the prices below to Bohlevpn in Malaysia
                  https://www.bolehvpn.net/seedbox-hosting.php
                  A 70Gb disk space box is $25 US dollars a month with a 2mbps upload rate and you can only have a max of 7 torrents downloading and 10 uploading at one time.

                  Compare that to whatbox.ca (i've never been with them but heard good things) who offer 1350Gb of disk space, unlimited torrents running, and uploads at 150mbps speed

                  BTW if you want to go with whatbox, get their "US" plans (the box is actually in canada) because it will provide faster speeds back to Australia.

                  On Recommendations (of the companies i've tried)
                  Yes, whirlpool has a great place to start here:
                  http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/Seedboxes
                  (they also have a huge seedbox thread in the P2P forum)

                  That seedbox wiki lists companies to go with but also companies to stay away from.

                  I'm loving the current mob i'm with ultraseedbox.com
                  From memory it took a couple of days to get my box up and running but i've never had downtime. They use 2CD and PayPal for processing credit cards, so they don't ask for your name, address, etc. Choose US dollars for the billing (better for our exchange rates). You can choose whatever uername you want for the seedbox (you could use your password manager like lastpass to randomly generate one for you). Downloading back to you is done using HTTPS, SFTP or FTPES and they encourage the use of clients that do segmented downloading for faster speed (HTTPS: downthemall, internet download manager, free download manager; FTPES/SFTP: cuteftp, smartftp, or on mac captain ftp or igetter)
                  Their privacy/terms are in plain english and you don't need to take a week off work to read them. Company is based in India with the boxes in the Netherlands. Public trackers are frowned upon (may even be blocked) to keep the performance up and the risk of downtime low.

                  Using "bittorrent sync" is another method to get your files. dediseedbox support this and i was with them for a few months - $15 a month for 400Gb box is a pretty good deal, and again this is US dollars (most seedbox companies charge in pounds or euros, much more expensive for us)
                  They provide openvpn as well so the idea would be you use openvpn on windows or android into the box, then sync clients are available for both android and windows to pull the content down. It creates a private torrent swarm where you are the downloader and your box is the seeder. They have instant setup as well as unlimited down/up limits.
                  There is no HTTP downloading with dediseed though - I use a chromebook at home to save on electricity so that's one of the reasons i moved away from them, now with little new skool netbooks like the HP stream though there are more options in a windows machine that is very frugal on electricity. Anyway: with dediseed your using FTP or bittorrent sync.

                  donate2seed is for the budget conscious and it's also great if you just want to "try out seedboxes" to see if it's right for you - in fact this was my first seedbox. It is a measely 2 pounds 75 pence (about $5) for 100Gb - now they have cheap pricing, its a one man operation so you might need to give him a few days to set up your box, there is no fancy support ticketing or knowledgebase. You "donate" over paypal and the seedbox username and password is sent to you. It might sound dodgy but it works - it's on whirlpools recomended list and if cheap is what you want, here it is. Downloading is over secure FTP or HTTPS. Good speeds on the box itself and they are happy for you to use public trackers like the pirate bay etc.
                  I suspect they resell meggafast because the setup of things like transdroid in android (transdroid.org) is exactly the same as meggafast. I was with meggafast as well in the beginning, they were good but dediseed and ultraseedbox give a bit more bang for buck.
                  Meggafast has instant setup if the anxiety associated with waiting a day or two for your seedbox to be created is a bit much for you :P

                  The most important thing i've learned in my seedboxing journey is that using a client capable of segmented downloading is a MUST in Australia if speed is your priroity. You are restricted to using Windows or Mac desktop OSs with the (mostly paid) apps i mentioned above, trust me if segmented downloading was possible on chrome or android i would have found it by now
                  (segmented downloading is where the app requests several connections to the box at once for parts of the file. After getting all the different parts the app then joins the file together)

                  Last edited 01/11/14 10:26 am

                saved your advice to a document for future reference

                Thanks mate!

            I have PIA. It has 26 servers globally . I usually log into the USA as it auto connects to the fastest server. USA doesn't not have mandatory data retention laws yet (unlike Australia) which is why PIA is located there.Should I till use HK ? No servers in Indonesia.

              PIA has a track record of just allowing any torrents through. Years ago they used to ask people not to use the US and UK server pools but then they got a better legal team and rented from better data centres.

              Heaps of seedboxes are based in the US so there is a lot of high speed torrenting going on there. I wouldn't worry about it too much with PIA.

              It should be fine to use PIA with Australian servers, if you setup the proxy into the netherlands in your torrent client. This lifehacker article explains how:
              http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/08/how-to-completely-anonymize-your-bittorrent-traffic-with-a-proxy/

        I use TorrentPrivacy, it's about $25ish for 3 months access and it automatically configures your bittorrent client to use a proxy server or you can use it's built in client.

        I haven't had any speed issues with TP, i did have an issue with PIA with it being unbearably slow but i have heard a lot of good things about it.

          Whether PIA is fast or PIA is slow REALLY depends on what you are using, your encryption settings in the PIA app and who your internet is with.

            I usually get 1MB/sec download rates. its fine for me. i just walk away and leave it downloading. Im happy to wait,.

    Remember when Russia was known as a land full of pirates and the media companies fixed that problem by offering them lower prices?? Why don't we get that option?? maybe we just arnt pirating hard enough??

      i saved so much money buying russian cd keys

    Funny how the Liberal party go on about small government and letting people run their own lives etc.

    Mention either terrorism or copyright and suddenly it's suddenly billions spent being big brother.

    Its a shame he doesn't understand fibre technology enough. A unit at university on data networks would of made him make a better choice fibre technology. It should be standard that any politician wanting to run a sector of government should have the relevant skills to make an informed discission.

      He does, but it's just party politics and it shows how pathetic MPs are in the face of it.

      I once thought he'd make a good PM, but I can't respect someone who will tow the party line, who will publicly support it and distort facts when they know it is wrong.

      It should be standard that any politician wanting to run a sector of government should have the relevant skills to make an informed discission.

      It wasn't the case when Steven Conroy was Communications Minister so why should it be changed now?

      Conroy was the one who wanted to censor the Internet under the guise of blocking child porn when even the most basic of details clearly showed the method not working at all.

      Unfortunately, we have a case of history repeats where even the envelope analogy accurately shows the idea but also shows how it won't work. At all.

      Last edited 30/10/14 1:02 pm

        So only doctors could be minister for Health?

        What about when there are portfolios that cross several different unrelated things like minister for industry? What skills would be relevant? should they be a construction engineer, or chemical engineer? Health and safety expert? or are you saying they should be all?

        Tell me, if you've just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and several years getting these degrees, where you could go into the public sector making several hundred thousand dollars a year, why would you go into politics, where you won't get a chance to practice what you trained to do, have to put up with wankers asking you stupid questions, and then have the answers twisted, edited and misrepresented, while getting paid a fraction of what you could get?

        Anyone who would willingly do this is not someone i would want in that position.

          no one mention you have to get a degree. Doing one unit is 6 months x 4 hours a week. I dont think that is to much to ask for someone who has to make critical decisions in regarding australia's future. He doesn't have to design or build or anything. He just has to have general understanding of technologies and industry trends. Its billions of dollars we are talking about here, its something they should get wright.

            And minister for defense should have been a soldier? Or would running around playing with plastic guns as a child be sufficient?

            Every tafe course I have done has been woefully insufficient. I did a 6 month prevocational mechanics course. Topped the class. Was only the second person to ace the electrical portion of the course.

            Went in to work as a heavy vehicle apprentice, with view to move to diesel fitter after second year. I learnt more in my first 5 days than I did in the 6 month course.

            My brother-in-law did engineering at uni. 4 year course. Learnt more in his first month.

            How is doing a single unit going to make anyone more knowledgeable in anything? Surely it would be better to have experts in the relevant fields advising the minister in matters.

          So youd prefer someone with no real experience in the field over someone that's qualified?
          Lots of MPs are lawyers who could be making significantly more in the private sector, so that argument is moot.
          They go into politics because if ego and probably the pension that seems to follow them once they retire even if they then go into their field again later on

    "In the context of the upcoming crackdown on piracy, Malcolm Turnbull quickly qualified the statement saying rights holders probably wouldn’t be interested in getting access to metadata."

    "rights holders probably wouldn’t be interested in getting access to metadata."

    PROBABLY.

    Is he kidding? Rights holders would definitely be interested in getting access to metadata. They'd be able to view the website URL's or IP addresses, use that information to find out who those people are and then target them.

      Exactly. Metadata like that would be an absolute gold mine for them, they'd be all over it in a heartbeat.

      would it be legal for the rights holders to access the data even if it is now available?

      Govt sourced data of its citizens should not be sold to private OVERSEAS entities

        Don't kid yourself, everyone and his dog are jumping on the bandwagon...

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-07/companies-and-councils-accessing-metadata-without-warrants/5751402

    "So... you promise this is just about terrorism, not piracy?"
    "Yup! Swear it!"
    "Hm. Well... OK."
    *rubb-stamp*
    "LOL JK totally about piracy, sucked in!"

      It hasn't been rubber stamped, yet, thank goodness. Depends on Labor.

    I assume this is being pushed by Emperor Murdoch to protect his Foxtel profits.
    What's next internet censorship?

      Kevin Rudd called. He wants his sound bites back.

      Last edited 30/10/14 12:55 pm

    The classic bait-and-switch.
    Claim: "We need these laws to catch terrorist"
    Reality: "We need to start protecting the 'IP' of multi-nationals so we can sign the TPP and give control of the land over to them."

    Why is that pirate lass pointing a gun at her head?

      She's either a pictorial description on how data retention as an idea stands on its own, or an accurate description of any MP's political career if they vote yes for it.

    I was doing some unit's at University earlier this year that dealt with law, the internet and IP.

    To me I see all of this as a way to future proof the government ability to monitor, crackdown and control the internet for all uses.

    We all know the second they crack down on Torrents. Something new will come along outside of what they are monitoring. This has what has happened in the past. Governments are slow and late to react to technology and then by the time they start coming after Napster or whatever. Something new built outside the laws is already in operation.

    So they need far reaching powers, so they can just monitor everything. So it doesn't matter what you are using.

    A lot of these laws have been in the pipeline for years, the 'terror' angle is just a convenient excuse. Like their new security laws, 'ISIS threat' but they have been in development for a few years prior. So clearly it's not because of that.

    This government has been keen on crackdowns on IP infringement, we have the secret TPP. This is all just a global move to crack down and monitor communications. The internet has gotten away and is giving people too much freedom, traditional means of communication are shifting online and various forms. Look at the NSA looking into online gaming communication. So they are just wanting to get laws in place to eventually cover anything so whatever people are using or doing, they can get access to information.

    Of course they'll be used for everything they could be used for.

    "Malcolm Turnbull quickly qualified the statement saying rights holders probably wouldn’t be interested in getting access to metadata."

    Really? So all those demands they send to ISP's for customer information that result in trips to the high court, those are just for shits and giggles then? ^_^

    I've been a strong advocate of piracy due to laziness of the corporations and failure to provide media at a good level in this country. And I am a heavy downloader, unlimited 24/7 downloading of everything. This could be enough for me to bow out. The fact they are keeping data for 2 years and the government is on the side of the studios (aka murdoch) to end this I'm going to be able to explain in two years from now why I downloaded something, but they'll have my files. Sure I can run a VPN, but they're doing well at making it feel like they'll be on your back one way or another. Its making it just not worth the hassle.
    Its slowly not becoming worth it.. in saying that it could be back to borrowing movies and burning them.. stop that government!

      An encrypted VPN will stop them getting any data and are peanuts cost wise.
      The real use they want the data for is now showing its head, the "terrorism scare" is just to justify it.

        Yeah I can run a VPN, and sure it doesn't cost much, but say I'm with Telstra and I am downloading 500gb a month consistantly every month, at what point do you think the government wont ask questions ? It seems to be the avenue they want to go down. or say my VPN is in USA, whats to stop US prosecution. Thoughts ?

          How would they prove it was you on the IP address which is not your? the data is encrypted both ways and eveything I have found so far suggests its extremely hard to break so they would need a good reason and if they spent the time they still would not know who requested it.
          Plus realtime monitoring looking for pirated files is going to come up empty every time.

            Yeah I understand, but I wouldn't be surprised if VPNs for private use get banned. Say "they hide terrorists" and that'll do. And more so isn't the point of piracy to not pay for some ? So why pay for a VPN when your still paying for something ?

              Well if you keep an eye on Ozbargain you can get quite fast VPN's for free on occasion, I picked up a year free premium Cyber Ghost VPN and it is only marginally slower than no VPN.
              Anyway using your view on cost you shouldn't be paying for internet usage either :)

                Thats kinda my point, you pay for your high amount of download limit a month, a VPN at whatever cost you choose and for what now ? to maybe hopefully not get caught and to pay for it one way or another.

                  Or pay for a usenet.

          Would it look any different to say - streaming video? You could be using the VPN to fool a site into thinking you were in a certain country in order to view their content. I'd have thought it would look similar. How would an ISP know any different if the stream were encrypted?

          As I understand it (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please) the metadata recorded would only consist of the two IP addresses (yours and the destination / VPN), and amount of data transferred in both directions, and the start & stop times - or something similar to that.

            Thats all a good point and thats how I understand it to work to, but lets say your VPN is connected to the USA. And the government has high levels of traffic from you to this USA VPN, now considering what is happening with the ISPs and our relationship between us and USA do you think that they could ask for traffic history or some type of version of 'metadata' from them to get you stung for your 500gb a month download ?
            Now think aswell that a VPN isn't as strong as many ISPs financially how quick do you think they'll cave. To make another quote for today from scarface as the government; "First you get the ISPs, then you get the VPNs, then you get the people"

              My understanding is that the good VPN's keep no records that could link your Au IP with your newly assigned IP in the US.

              Anyone who see's torrent activity on your US IP would not be able to go back to the VPN and find out where it came from. Anyone who thinks its sus that your Au IP is going to a VPN could not find out what your US IP was to tell if you were doing anything wrong.

              The place I see it failing is cookies and the like, if you use your VPN to visit a site and they have a cookie on your PC from the last time you logged in (without a vpn) they can theoretically say "hey this is the same guy" and now that site can link you to both IP's. I'm not sure if "Metadata" could contain similar info but it wouldn't surprise me if a VPN is not foolproof protection from these new laws. I see that as a good thing at the moment because if they are serious enough about finding someone they could catch your terrorists ect using this but with data retention they can just crunch the bulk data to pinch people for minor stuff like torrenting

          Just tell 'em you watch a lot of free streaming websites (i.e. Youtube, project free tv, crazy japanese gameshow or porn)..that'll cover it

    I'm wondering if governments will find a way to stop people from using VPNs once they wake up to them. Even law abiding people.

      Also my curiosity. At the end of it, it prevents what the government is trying to do, data retention. Whats to stop a terrorist using VPN's, just interesting see how long it takes.

        Too many legitimate uses for VPN's. They can't be stopped.

          it can hide terrorists, the one reason the world needs to stop it. To quote family guy
          Lois: because 9/11
          Crowd: Woooo yeah we love you!

      Murdoch won't like that. big business needs VPN. Take away VPN and all these big business' will need to spend big money to replace it.

      I doubt they'll stop the use of VPNs. Just mandate that they need to allow a back door for government inspection. And if they don't, they'll be an illegal VPN, which can be prosecuted, shut down, and the use of which allowable as evidence of wrong-doing.

    Ooooooh really???? What an amazing surprise.
    Yeah, this was the one and only reason for the whole law in the first place, not the anti-terrorisim shit. I just wonder why more people weren't attacking this thing for that reason: it's a law in place solely to protect the US entertainment industry and punish Australian citisens.

    Hello, Mr Murdoch.

    No doubt you are pleased with seeing your plan approaching fruition. What do you plan do with all your extra million$ after you force us all onto Foxtel? Are you building a Death Star, perhaps?

      You keep telling yourself that. It won't change the reality he's only profiting from a chaotic situation like every other businessman under the sun and has no strings to who our government is. But you're welcome to keep acting like a broken human phonograph recorded by Kevin Rudd.

      Just do us a favour and take your comments elsewhere so we can have a clear discussion on a serious matter without your unwarranted noise.

      Last edited 30/10/14 2:51 pm

        has no strings to who our government is

        ....except of course for control over the media, but hey.

        Just do us a favour and take your comments elsewhere so we can have a clear discussion on a serious matter without your unwarranted noise.

        You're taking this very personally. Rupert, is it this you?

        has no strings to who our government is

        You are kidding, right?

          No, we Australian's voted Labor out and the preference system got the Coalition over the line.

          There was no conspiracy nor propaganda from the media. We Australian's saw Labor unravel and start stuffing everything into the too hard basket. So as far back as 2012, Australian's had decided Labor was to go.

          Murdoch has no strings. And to say otherwise means to imply that Australian's as a whole are Lemmings to just one media outlet when there are at least three in news papers alone.

          Last edited 31/10/14 7:44 am

        Nope, no strings. "Time to kick this mob out" ring a bell at all ?

          Yes, it was what most Australian's were saying before Gillard called the election.

          So there was no propaganda (I'd have to really water it down to make News Corp headlines fit in that definition) and there was no string pulling.

          We decided, not Murdoch. And he's only one player in the media. News Papers alone have at least three so he's not in full control of the media. He's only the most well known and nothing more.

            Who starts the memes?

    Hmm would be interesting to see whether the High Court would allow it to be used in this way. The Court tends to interpret narrowly any provision which seeks to limit the fundamental rights and liberties of people.

    Pirating aside, and I agree with everyone here that studio's are just taking the micky with Aussie's. What does this mean when browsing banking sites etc?

    What meta data are they storing, are they going to demand SSL man in the middle inspection to peak into SSL encrypted data?

      Date & time, IP address you are using, data upload and download volumes.

      So not capturing actual URLs apparently.

      If you are someone who loves donwloading a tonne of content though, I'd spread it across a few free wifi hotspots, your work, your friends and family, even use your mobile bandwidth to download a couple, just to spread it out a bit.

      Last edited 30/10/14 3:21 pm

    If you use "private" trackers (google for lists), especially ones that use SSL for the tracker and SSL for their website, then it's fair to say these laws don't apply to you.

    If you use public torrent trackers, get a VPN or torrent proxy.

    Sorry sir... I left my WiFi router unprotected. A neighbour must have used my internet connection to download pirated content.

      It MIGHT work, but what happens when the police confiscate your hardware? Do you then blame the neighbour for sneaking into your house at 4 in the morning just so they could illegally download Fisting Firemen 5?

    ..and now all the police will concentrate on is "cyber crime" not real actual physical crime, like being bashed, robbed, raped and murdered.

      Sounds awesome! Imagine doing an I.T. course and landing a job as a police officer, except the only thing you have to do is sit at a desk with your feet up, and look through people's private history.

    Wouldn't pirating, say, a movie only be consider pirating if you actually had a playable version of the movie. If you downloaded it but it got corrupted on the way then no one could say that you had an "illegal" copy of the movie. So shouldn't the police need to prove that you have or had a playable copy of the movie before they could charge you? As far as a downloader would know, a download is not a movie until they played it. Before that its just bits.

    Unless the intent itself (as demonstrated by downloading) is against the law.

      But that's like saying, "I TRIED to stab him with a fork, but I found out it was a spork, so it didn't work"

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