Of Course There's A 'Bring Back The NBN' Petition

So the Federal Election didn't go the way of the geek. It's tough to swallow for some of us, while others are fighting back with a new petition.

There's a Change.org petition circulating right now around the web to get the Liberal Party to "reconsider [its] plan for a fibre-to-the-node national broadband network in favour of a fibre-to-the-home national broadband network".

It needs 120,000 signatures to be considered a "successful petition". Right now (at the time of writing, at least) it has just over 77,000 signed on.

The body of the petition complains that the fibre-to-the-node strategy proposed by the incoming Coalition government isn't future-proof or up to snuff with other country's standards.

It also adds that investment in technological infrastructure is being treated as second-rate spending to that required in the realm of hospitals and roads:

Broadband internet is an ‘infrastructure’ and should be considered in the same light as highways, water management, electricity and so forth; it should be a ‘right’ available ‘equally’ to all Australians. Broadband internet is one of many crucial building blocks which creates the underlying foundation for a successful nation. Superfast broadband is about more than connecting several family PCs, laptops, iPads, phones and other devices to the internet. It is about more than downloading ones favourite music, TV shows, movies or watching YouTube sensations. And yes, it is about more than being able to connect health and educational services, businesses and corporations. Having a well thought out, well implemented, and well maintained National Broadband Network is about ensuring the prosperity of Australians for generations to come. It is a vision shared by the Australian spirit and achievable through FTTH technology. It is due to this dream and the concern that it may not be met, that I and many Australians urge you to reconsider your proposal of a FTTN NBN in favour of a superior FTTH NBN. As your policy currently stands it is merely patch-work; a short term solution to a long term problem.

You can sign the petition here, but a quick word of caution: prepare yourself for disappoinment.

The Coalition isn't about to backflip on its NBN policy just because 120,000 unhappy internet denizens said so. It was swept into power over the weekend with a strong mandate based on the policies it took to the electorate beforehand. All I'm saying to signatories is to steel yourselves for sadness. [Change.org]

Protest image via Shutterstock


Comments

    I do agree that FTTH is better than FTTN (disregarding all cost issues and current state of the economy) but wow. To argue that 100mbps broadband is a basic necessity of every home is simply ridiculous. Yes it would be good to have it. And no it's most definitely not on the same level as electricity and water management. I don't put "100mps internet" in the same group with "having safe drinking water".

      Good quality internet infrastructure is on par with having hot water available from the tap. Not a necessity, and there's always work arounds, but dammit if we're going to be a country taken seriously in the 21st century then we better have it.

      Upload speeds need to be considered as an important factor, not just your 100mbps downstream.

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        It is not about a country being taken seriously as much as, if we are spending big money installing a system we should pay for quality and not have to pay twice because the network needed to be extended to peoples houses since we found it to be just as unreliable as the old system and outdated after a few years.
        As for the time it takes to install and delays due to "doing it right", I would like to say that I have waited for a desk to be made by a carpenter rather than buy one from Ikea even though it cost more and took longer to be delivered because it was a lot better quality and would last me decades rather than needing replacement after only a few years.

      Comparing Internet to Safe Drinking Water is Apples to Oranges.
      Comparing Telephone Service to Internet is a fair comparison and Telephone Connectivity is viewed as an "Essential Service".
      100mbps may be excessive now, but what about in 10 years time? NBN isn't being built for today's needs, it's being built for "tomorrow's" needs.
      Here's hoping that Macolm Turnbull has seen/heard Simon Hackett's Fibre on a Copper budget. There's a LOT of common sense in that talk that can at least trim the cost of FTTH and could be a selling point for the Liberals to "backflip" on FTTN.

        Not denying that it might be a need 10 years from now but most people don't need that right now.

        Last figures from NBN Co. show that they have laid down fibre to around 200,000 premises but only 33,000 had bought services. That's a pretty poor rate of sign up if people claim to be desperate to get this fibre. People are focusing on this FTTH and FTTN as if it's gospel. The whole point is that businesses and universities and hospitals (non-residential people who would actually use the higher speeds immediately) are going to get FTTH (or premises whatever) as soon as possible. The FTTN is a stopgap for residential people until the necessity for it is actually there.

          The FTTN is a stopgap for residential people until the necessity for it is actually there.

          It's a massive waste though. It's still going to be 70% of the cost, require double to triple the funds to upkeep and all the infrastructure for FTTN will have to be trashed when the inevitable upgrade to fiber is needed. It's an absolute waste, copper is a lot more expensive and tedious to maintain than fiber and is also very susceptible to degradation and water damage while also bringing inconsistent speeds across Australia depending on where you live.

          If you don't think Australia needs FTTN, I can at least somewhat understand where you're coming from, but you definitely should not be advocating the massive waste of money that the Coalition's NBN plan presents.

          Edit: Plus it still forces people into having to pay for a phone line if they only want internet.

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            I think Australia needs FTTN in certain areas. If you argue that it's for our economy and it's going to benefit our country, then great I accept that but let's put it where it's needed. Last year Australia had an internet subscription rate of 25%. I don't mind this sort of stuff if there is a demand there, but if the plan is to just to roll the fibre out to everyone's doorstep if only 25% of people are going to use it then it's a waste.

            I do agree that it would be better for maintenance, I guess that's one of the positives of laying it down everywhere.

            EDIT: i mean FTTH or FTTP.

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              Your 25% is plainly wrong, perhaps you need to qualify your statement, or consider the source.

              The ABS says you're wrong. The only way you could get a figure even close to that is by ignoring both mobile and shared household subscriptions.

              8.7M household (non-business) subscribers (for 8.5M households) as of July 2011 plus 2.2M business. 5.5M non-mobile (DSL, cable etc) and 4.7M mobile. Particularly:
              In 2010–11, 79% of persons aged 15 years and over had accessed the Internet in the previous 12 months.
              So whoever told you 25% is lying through their teeth.

                Nobody "told" me those statistics. They are numbers from the International Telecommunications Union for 2012. That number does not include satellite/wireless connections or mobile connections so perhaps that is why it is low but it is a standardised measure so it can be applied globally to compare.

                And how is "accessed the internet" a relevant measure? You can access the internet at work at uni at school on your mobile in an internet cafe etc. not necessarily at home from your fixed wired line. Also I don't see how subscriptions from mobile phones are relevant.

                are you stupid? or do you just like to misconstrue words and statistics?
                because, "accessing the internet" and "subscribing" for it are to completely different things...

            If you don't think Australia needs FTTN, I can at least somewhat understand where you're coming from, but you definitely should not be advocating the massive waste of money that the Coalition's NBN plan presents.

            I just want to quote this for emphasis. Ten years from now FTTN will be a joke and will need to be replaced. That's an incredibly short lifespan for something so expensive. You may not agree with the need for FTTH but that doesn't make FTTN the correct course of action. There is the third option of just not supporting the NBN at all. I don't think it's the right course of action but at least it's not throwing money down the drain on a system that is entirely politically motivated.
            I'm not saying FTTH will last forever, but it's lifespan/results will be long enough to justify the cost.

              I don't entirely agree with either plan to be honest. My opinion would be lay it down in businesses, schools, universities and other places where it would be of most benefit. Don't lay it down in residential areas until there's actual need for it. Again, just my opinion but I don't think the average household is going to need fibre before 2020. I could be wrong, that's just my opinion.

                If it takes 6-10 years to lay it down, why would we wait until we already need it? Then it'll be up to a decade too late.

                Shouldn't we start the roll-out 6-10 years before we need it? Yes, that's exactly what we were doing. At 40% growth, 25Mbps will be as slow as 3Mbps is today in 2019, when the FTTN has only just been completed. A mere 5 years after that, 100Mbps will feel as slow as 3Mbps is today - and we'll be clamouring for an upgrade all over again :-(

                  I agree with you @namarrgon, I surely don't want to be having the same debut in 2016 or 2019. Moreover tax payers having to front the bill again for upgrades or possibly another lame type of connect to home.

                  I think that its really not about the cost of the NBN project, its more persons understanding of speed in relation to there own personal habits. Just because you don't need the speed does not mean Australia does not need it.

                  Business's already have to pay extra for speed ( Bonded DSL, Fibre etc )

                  I also think that people forget that they have multiple devices within there homes (TV/s, Computer/Laptop/s, Fridge, Phone/s, Tablet/s) that require connectivity. I know that my parents have 7-8 devices all accessing the internet at anyone time.

                  All I'm saying that Australia's future maybe within Technology, but a little hard to start if we are behind the international standard.

                  You just took the words right out of my mouth.
                  We build roads for the future otherwise we keep trying to expand roads already at full capacity which leaves us with traffic jams for months.

                  Liberals have promised 25Mbps by the end of 2016, then 50Mbps by the end of 2019. At least quote the right numbers.

                Most universities, schools, hospitals and government buildings already have fibre internet connections.

        The comparison wasn't between internet and safe drinking water, it was between decent internet and hot water from the tap. We don't need hot water available from a tap, we can always heat it up in other ways, but it's still a pretty basic thing for a modern first world country to have.

      I can't believe people have been brainwashed into thinking the Australian economy is in trouble. The rest of the world is looking at the Australian economy with envy! We were the only country that wasn't affected the the financial crisis in 2007, and since our economy has stayed strong. It is a scare campaign that the Liberal government would like everyone to believe. They also exaggerate the small amount of debt Australia has, our debt is tiny in comparison to other first world countries.

        It's called economics, learn about it. record low interest rates are not a sign of a "Strong" economy

      It's also about building for future requirements. How many roads have they built over the last few decades, only to be at full capacity within a year of it being completed and they're now having to expand the roads to increase it's capacity.

      Yes you don't NEED 100mbps today, but how about in 10-80+ years time? That's what the fibre roll out allows. Future capacity in one hit. Ironic how Liberals go on about Labor wasting money, when the Liberal NBN plan is a giant, short-sighted waste that isn't looking into the future.

      Sigh.

      The progressive nature of the NBN is not what it can do for everyday house home downloading, But Hospitals being connected to cloud networks, old folkds home with constantly updating medical equipment. Life saving information probably isn't 25mb.

        :) Very true.

        If it cant support 4K TVs, how is it going to support patients who probably also will be using smart/er phones, tablets and various other devices on the same connection. All for quality of life.

        The scenario used always illustrates lifeless older persons with no or limited mobility that will use this features***. However this is not always the case.

          That's it I'm done, there is only so much idiocy one can take.

      It will be in the future though, and the point of building the NBN is for the future.

      This article tasks a lot of things out of context, so maybe you should actually read the whole petition first. Also anyone who thinks the Liberal's NBN is good enough is terribly misinformed. Anyone who has been overseas in recent years knows how many services don't even make it to our shores because of our broadband. There network will also be obsolete before its completed as Telstra admits its copper lines are done, and was planning on decommissioning them in 2018:

      http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674351979.html

      And to say that FTTH is needed in only certain areas is a bit narrow minded/selfish. One of the major purposes of having an NBN is that cost would be subsidised. You do realise that there are people in Australia paying $90 and upwards a month for 1Mps with only 1GB of monthly allowance.

      Also some food-for-thought:
      http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmD-uFgcvbU
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd5nfhZo57w

      One thing that often gets overlooked in the debate (at least on Gizmodo) is global competitiveness.
      Compared to every other country in the world, we barely scrape in to the Top 50 in average internet speed. If we are to compete in the global economy in industries other than agriculture and mining, we need to have the same tools at our disposal as our competitors, otherwise we will be left behind.

      As for the comparison between needing clean drinking water and needing fast internet. I think you are missing the point. The point isn't that fast internet is a human right, it's about equality. One plan gives everyone in Australia access to the same level of internet service (apart from people in remote areas), and the other widens the gap between the haves and have nots, by imposing a rather steep installation cost. Wealthy home owners will have little issue installing it, but people who aren't in such a fortunate situation (low income earners or renters) won't be able to. Do you really think landlords will pay to have their properties connected to the NBN?

      The gap between rich and poor increases, children in unconnected houses won't have access to the same educational resources as ones in connected houses. Adults living in unconnected houses won't have access to the same career opportunities in emerging industries that rely heavily on internet access. Elderly or disabled people won't be able to teleconference with medical professionals if their connection is dodgy.

      The costings of the plans is at best similar, once you factor in future upgrades, maintenance, power and whatever Telstra decides to charge for using their copper. Spending the same amount of money and getting less outcomes is insane.

      The cost issues are actually against the Coalition.
      Both parties have an estimate of costs and final value, and both parties were planning on selling it after construction. The one big difference is that with full infrastructure replacement it is possible to estimate the cost of the build but with the partial replacement the coalition is planning will add more nodes depending on distance as well as replacing copper if needed which leaves potential cost increases up to the value of full replacement or the copper network that is meant to be reducing some of the costs.
      In the end FTTN could easily cost more than FTTP depending on how poor the condition of the copper is which seems to be very degraded due to duct tape repairs due to the expected purchase and takeover of the network giving Telstra no incentive to maintain it.

      This always seems to be the problem people cant see past the next week in there own life. What happens in 10 years when all copper lines start degrading to an unreasonable point. Do we go to FTTH then? Beside that point there is already a need for 1GBPS speeds that's 10 x what you think homes don't need. 4K Streaming is almost here and japan is rolling out 2GBPS speeds and you think we should stick to 30MBPS copper lines that most people get between 3 and 10 MBPS actual speeds. Most families will use it to spread the load of down rate between the people in the house. Maby it is not as much as a necessity as having drinking water but it is enough that its not something we can do with out. I don't know a single person that does not use the internet in some form or another. Rant Over.

    "It was swept into power over the weekend with a strong mandate based on the policies it took to the electorate beforehand."

    Lets me honest. They were swept into power due to Labors infighting, not because people think billionaires shouldn't be taxed and have a stellar plan for the NBN.

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      Only 43% of Australia voted for the Coalition... ie more than 50% of the population voted against the Coalition.
      That's patently not a mandate!

        At present the Coalition has 45.41% of first preference votes with the next largest being Labour on 33.84%. So by your reasoning over 66% of the population voted against Labour. That's a pretty big mandate against Labour and their NBN. Point being, your argument is fallacious.

          Point being, your argument is fallacious.
          Not at all, I would argue that no party has a mandate in this election!
          Narrowing down to policy, I think it would be very close as to whether the votes add up to supporting FTTP (Labor+Green+Katter+others) or FTTN (Coalition).
          If there is a mandate either way it's slim.

            Name the last election where a party had a mandate then, by your estimation. In only 4 elections since 1937 has a party polled 50% or higher in first preferences; and none since 1975.

            I don't disagree that there is no single issue mandate from this election as neither major party campaigned on a single issue. But saying that a party doesn't have a mandate to rule because they didn't receive a large enough first preference vote and ignoring the preferential system which, like it or lump it, we've had in some form since 1918 are not in my opinion cogent arguments. And if they were then we shouldn't have had 3 years of a hung parliament.

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        I think you are right, mainly because of evidence like Palmer and the Australian Liberal Democratic party.

    I'm not liking the mandate word, I mean maybe they had much better policies than the opposition etc, which won them the election, but if they had some other policy, some people may disagree with it, but assume collateral damage. Just because you got voted in means that they agree with all your policies. I guess how do you know which policies swung votes (but I'd hazard it's different for everyone)? It's a wait and see thing, but I'm with Luke, I'm not holding my breath.

      Tony doesn't like the 'mandate' word either. Sounds kinda gay to him. And we all know how he feels about the gays.

      I agree. "Mandate" is such a loaded term in the Australian political context. The baggage is such that it just can't be thrown around casually like Hopewell has done here.

    Should thank you for linking this Luke. When I checked this morning there were only 77k signatures. It is now up to 82k. 5k signatures in little over an hour. I'll ask that those who sign this petition take some time to send an email directly to Turnbull and/or Abott. A petition might not be much of an impact, but getting a full mailbox would be.

    The bottom line here is; that if you like FTTN and the current plan - sign the petition. So what if they ignore it? you wasted 30 seconds. 1 million votes has to start with 1 vote. sign, share, educate. This is a democracy, and if the people say they want it, they should pay attention.

    I signed it.......I guess thats all that can be done for now.

    Malcolm said he would put fibre to the home where it is needed, I would argue that is everywhere, so he has an out he can do quietly. All he has to do is make up a few green boxes up in the shed out the back of parliament to put out in the street where old people live and nobody will know they are all hooked up.

      Malcolm said he would put fibre to the home where it is needed

      So you are suggesting instead of signing the petition we should all go out and dig up the copper in our streets?

      "Um Malcolm, I'd love to just use the copper from the node to my house, but it turns out that there isn't any. Weird huh? So when do you want to install the fibre?"

        Thats the first thing I thought of when malcolm said Fibre where needed too........I seriously considering it.

    It's worth noting that the 120k goal is in fact completely spurious. If you'd read through the petition in any detail you might have noticed it has in fact had it's "required number of signatures" raised each time it hits a goal.

    Fact checking, it's important.

    Look I understand suggesting people don't get too invested but seriously do you want a FTTH connection? After your recent articles I'm beginning to doubt it.

    Signing a petition may be spitting into the wind, especially with only 120k signatories. But what if it reaches half a million? 1 million? More?

    Petitions by themselves are pretty worthless, but if they were combined with say... Journalism. That people who were interested were made aware that they could voice their opinions on the issue, and that as more people did more institutions would cover it until the voices are loud enough to show support.

    Is it enough? Maybe not, but social activism is a slog. If you don't think it's enough why not suggest that people follow up signing it but personally contacting their local member, or their local senator. Hell start bugging state governments too, see if they can put some pressure on their federal counterparts.

    If you have a large enough community interested in saving this legislation maybe you could even have a demonstration!

    Or you could make snarky comments on the internet at the expense of those trying to do something. You have a platform Luke, either use it, show some professional non-bias or admit that you prefer FTTN and take a stand on that.

    "The Coalition was swept into power over the weekend with a strong mandate based on the policies it took to the electorate beforehand."

    No, Luke, they weren't. They were swept in by a public dissatisfied with the Labor Party and their constant in-fighting. The word "mandate" implies that people were demanding that the Coalition go to FTTN, when in reality most people of voting age don't give a flying rat's arse what technology is used. Most people in the country supported the NBN, they just didn't have any clue as to how it worked or what benefits FTTH has over FTTN. They just bought into the Libs' "faster, cheaper" BS. You could argue that there was a mandate to repeal the Carbon Tax, or Stop the Boats, or the Paid Parental Leave scheme, but I'm willing to bet that if you asked Lib supporters in the swing states why they voted for Abbott and his lot, they'd simply say they didn't want Labor again. That's all.

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      Neither of you should speak for the rest of us.

    I signed it. Australia needs a ultra fast internet for all. No more should we be left behind the rest of the world.

    Thank the gods I have 100mbps cable available ... between NBN rollout plan for my suburb (never, basically) and the Libs rubbish non-plan (which does not even mention "competitive-izing" cable, despite its recent nature and good potential service life, the fact that post 60% of houses could easily have it, its excellent price/performance and its usefulness for other service types like video) I would be stuck in an area where ADSL does not work at half of all houses, even though I am right next to the city. A pox on both your useless houses.

    Australia's internet has been the laughing stock for many years, but even I didn't realise the severity of it till I started working in the Telco industry. It is disgusting.

    The amount of customers I have to turn down or say, "Sorry sir, but Telstra won't fix it unless your internet speed drops below 1.5Mbps" is just shocking. Getting about 3-4 disconnects per day? Sorry, but that's good enough by Telstra's standard. You are on a pair gain or RIM? Well, apart from moving house you are boned.

    Here something else to share with all of you, check out the following website.
    http://www.netindex.com/upload/allcountries/
    Find Australia, wait what you can't find it, yeah...that's because our average upload speed is ranked 92 in the world. Far behind Vietnam, Cambodia, Kenya....can you even imagine that? By installing a proper FTTH network, it will propel us to the top 20th, securing a key infrastructure to investors and entrepreneurs.

    We need scalable technology for our future, not trying to install yesterday's technology tomorrow for the needs today. Sign the petition and let's do it once and do it right.

    So the Federal Election didn’t go the way of the geek.

    Is this assessment based on a poll of some sort or did gizmodo just appoint itself the spokes-group for geeks while I was sleeping? I don't like the liberals NBN policy and the internet filter denouncement/announcement/renouncement saga had me swearing at my computer screen on Thursday night like a sailor. I'm still anxious about it.

    But I'm not a one issue geek and I doubt that I'm alone. I have a family and a mortgage, I work in the Tech industry as a Business Analyst and am studying for my MBA in Technology Management. I'm a moderate voter (economic conservate, social progressive) who would have loved to vote for a Labour party that espoused these same views and meant it, but I didn't see that in the last 6 years of Labour. I just hope that Labour can rebuild itself from more moderate roots after the election loss they (in my opinion) had to have.

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    You can sign the petition here, but a quick word of caution: prepare yourself for disappoinment. [sic]

    Geezus Luke... Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Like every petition out there, this is just a list of people registering their concern about an issue as a unified voice. It allows the community's feelings to be quantified. The vast majority of petitions don't get the numbers and are ignored. Especially ones in conflict with the parties policies.

    Having said that, if the signatories do soar well past 100k, Turnbull would be wise to take note.

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      I'd think most petitions get ignored because they're too easily manipulated. No way to verify the validity of a signature, most petitions are flooded with fake names and fake entries, and many end up with troll entries opposing whatever the petition is trying to support. Form letters are equally lacking in persuasiveness these days.

      Asking the government to change its policy is absolutely the right way forward and is a lot more constructive than just bemoaning the fact that Party B didn't beat Party A in the election, but the best way to do it is to write a personal letter to your local member. A thousand personal letters asking politely for policy to be changed has a lot bigger impact than a hundred thousand fake names in a list on a website somewhere.

        I think that there will be many more petitions and media acknowledgement of the people wanting FTTP before the year is up and if TA listens to the people at all he may just change his mind.
        I think the greatest hope we had/have for change is Malcolm Turnbull becoming PM. Not only do Liberal voters like MT but so do many people who voted for their opposition.
        Since3 the PM elect has stated that he will not be stopping installs and would hate the negative publicity of running behind schedule on the NBN I am hoping that it takes another 18 months for negotiations to be completed between the government and Telstra so that FTTP starts being rolled out in my neighbourhood.

      Trouble is that petitions are horribly one-sided.

    I could not disagree more that the coalition have a mandate for this, a mandate requires a specific signal about a particular policy, if anything the only mandate the coalition has is to not change leaders or at a stretch deliver a surplus! these are the key issues that motivated voters (polling data shows) instability in labor and the perception that we were in fact in the middle of a budget crisis.
    You could argue they have a mandate to switch to another mode of NBN via FTTP or keep exactly the same rollout because the public majority were for the labor NBN model and the coalitions policy for FTTN had some of the worst support amongst their longterm support base. There is no mandate for the NBN, Australia as a majority wants fibre.

    The Coalition isn’t about to backflip on its NBN policy just because 120,000 unhappy internet denizens said so.

    if they don't listen to what their country has to say, they don't deserve to be in power. Liberal or not. They may just "take it under consideration" (basically a big fat no), fair enough they have been elected to decide what is the best for Australia by the majority, but they need to listen to what people want.

    People have more power then the government as a whole, if we want something bad enough... we better bloody get it.

      The point being that 120,000 people is an insignificant number when compared to the full population of Australia. It suggests that 22.56 million people either don't care or have the opposite view. I certainly wouldn't assist a vocal 120,000 people to the detriment of 22.56 million people if I was in their shoes.

    To be fair, Liberals only have 31.9% of the primary vote, and Labor has 33.8%. IMHO that is not a strong mandate. Then again, Liberals have always been a minority government needing the Nationals to push them over the line. I still don't accept this as a strong mandate at all, if anything it was simply voters swinging away from Labor. FWIW Nationals (NAT) and the Liberal Nationals (LNP) each got 4.5% and 8.7% respectively, whether people vote for them thinking "I'm actually voting for Abbott of the Liberals and want his policies more" is debateable.

      "Liberals have always been a minority government needing the Nationals to push them over the line."

      As opposed to Labor needing the Greens to push them over the line?

      And by the same token, if you relied solely on Labor's primary vote to win a seat, they're currently only winning 43 seats to the Liberals 67. So no party would have enough seats in their own right to form government and they would have to form a coalition, just like in the last election. And then if we continue to ignore the fact that there isn't a single living Australian who voted in an election without some form of preferencing applied the Coalition would almost certainly choose to form government with 105 seats.

      The Liberal party has been a formal coalition in under various names and forms since 1922. If the electorate doesn't realise that voting for the LP, LNP, NP or CLP is ultimately a vote for the Liberal Party then our education system is a disgrace.

      Party Seats
      Liberal 67
      Labor 43
      Liberal National Party of Queensland 27
      The Nationals 10
      The Greens 1
      Independent 1
      Country Liberals (NT) 1

    Im sure that 25-50 mbps is good enough for now but the government will realise how slow it is in 10 years time and extend the fibre to our houses anyway.

    Place your bets..

    Whenever I see some article about NBN, people always saying 100Mbps is not necessary now... Well... I am from S. Korea and when I was in S. Korea 7 years ago, yes 7 YEARS ago, I used FTTN which was down 100Mbps up 10Mbps(I paid 30 dollars per month and it was pretty expensive compare to other normal cable or ADSL2 service which was 10-20 dollars pm. Now most of people in S. Korea have FTTH which is down/up 100Mbps and now government installing 1Gbps internet service in whole country) and it was absolutely amazing. I was also sceptical about the speed but once you get used to it you can't go back. Most of all, fast internet is really time saviour. Think about that every time you click the web page or app everything happens in lightening speed. You just don't need to wait. And once you got the fast internet, there are tons of new things you can do in the internet. I'm telling you, you just don't know how to use fast internet until you got it! Once you got it, you just can't live without it! Fast internet is new possibility, new dream and that's why Australia need fast internet. It is just future.

    Seriously. If you're going to petition parliament, do it properly with http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Petitions/House_of_Representatives_Petitions .

    "The rest of the world is looking at the Australian economy with envy!"

    ."..that's because our average upload speed is ranked 92 in the world. Far behind Vietnam, Cambodia, Kenya....can you even imagine that? By installing a proper FTTH network, it will propel us to the top 20th, securing a key infrastructure to investors and entrepreneurs."

    On the one hand we are doing really well economically, yet on the other, our internet is way behind and uncompetitive? Maybe, its possible to have economic success without FTTH? Piping movies and games to every bogan household is plain stupid. Ensure that our institutions and business have access to adequate internet speeds, but leave the rest to the market. If in ten years we really need high speed internet in every home, then lets do it then and pay for it in ten years.

    Thank Christ the Libs won, and we have turfed the idiots running the show over the last six years.

    Way to put themselves before the country. What terrible people.

    It's amazing that after Rudd, Gillard and Labor plunged our country over 250 billion into debt, we have absolutely nothing to show for it, except for a few thousand miles of fibre optic cable.

    In these dark times the country simply cannot afford to waste money. It's nice that foreign aid is being cut back, but it should be cut back a lot more, say, 100 percent. The people being aided will still be there in 10 years, and they're not our problem, so who cares, we need to look after ourselves first. The subsidisation of reckless breeding through the paid parental leave scheme should be scrapped too.

      I don't know if you have noticed, but all of a sudden the liberal party don't see that we have a budget crisis. Neither do the ratings agencies. Don't believe the propaganda dude, think for your self. Deficits are a form of stimulating the economy, just like Labors NBN.

    With 4G and LTE speedtests and experiments in Europe last year exceeding 1GIgabit per second for fixed wireless connections and 100Mb/s for moving at 60miles per hour, I find it hard to grasp why this country is so intent on rolling out a physical infrastructure susceptible to so many issues and upkeep, when flooding 4G/LTE allows for similar target speeds within the next 3-5 years and is much more easily upgradable with lower infrastructure footprint with less complexity.

    20 year old uni student starts an online petition after voting for the coalition. Well maybe he should have voted according to the policies rather than the personalities and propaganda. As they say in a democracy you get the government you deserve. I voted for Labor for two main reasons, pricing carbon and the NBN. I don't like Abbott as much as I don't like Rudd, but I did listen to the policies.

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