Gizmodo Vs Kotaku: TVs Are The Consoles Of The Future

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This year’s range of HDTVs from pretty much every manufacturer have a common theme – the ability to download applications, from weather widgets to video games. Surely then it’s only a matter of time before the flat panel TV replaces the games console completely? Mark from Kotaku and I debate the possibility that in the future, you’ll spend more time gaming through your TV than your Playstation…

NICK: *Sniff, sniff* You smell that, Mark? That pungent odour wafting through the air that gives you goosebumps? That’s the smell of change, and it’s headed your way. Because the inevitable has just been laid out before us – within the next five years or so, the humble flat panel TV is going to become the de facto gaming console of choice.

I know, as the gaming guy, you’re destined to disagree with me, but all you have to do is look at what’s happening in the TV market to know that I’m right. Last year, TVs made like Skynet and got connected, with the vast majority of quality panels offering built in ethernet or WiFi connectivity. This year, the trend has taken a huge step forward with LG, Samsung and Panasonic all offering their own app stores, where customers can download games (and other apps) to play using the TV’s remote control. While the games on offer today are still rudimentary, it’s only a matter of time before developers begin to push the boundaries and create engaging gaming experiences that can be played without the need for a dedicated console.

MARK: Well, Nick. Funnily enough, Fox News just ran a story saying the precise thing. ‘Will Nintendo’s Next Console Be The Last Of Its Kind’ ran the shlock inducing headline.

“Consoles are a thing of the past,” said Avid Gamer/Son of Fox News producer Mark Ormond.

“Gaming will move to the cloud,” said ‘outspoken’ gaming analyst Michael Pachter.

Reading beyond the hyperbole, the one thing we can all be sure of is that we’re in a transition phase when it comes to the manner in which we purchase and consume games.

What I am sure of, however, is the fact that neither LG, Panasonic or Samsung will produce app stores that become definitive game platforms in their own right. I can 100% guarantee that right now.

Firstly, these companies do not understand games. They do not understand a gaming audience, but more importantly, the games these services are offering aren’t coming close to offering the level of experience that aging home consoles have been providing for over six years now.

NICK: Hey! Way to deliver an uppercut to the gonads, comparing my claims to Fox News. Shame on you, Serrels. Shame. But you know what? You’re right. Those particular companies don’t understand games. But what they do understand is money. Cold, hard cash. And the road to TV gaming is paved in virtual gold, my friend. If you don’t believe me, take a quick look at Apple’s financials for the last quarter, which is a pretty good indication of what’s possible with a vibrant app ecosystem. Also worth taking note of is the fact that gaming is worth more than $2 billion in Australia alone.

If the dollar argument isn’t enough to convince you, then consider this: What’s next for TV manufacturers? Unlike console makers, TVs are updated annually, and sometimes even more frequently than that. Every generation of LCD and plasma has to offer something new to try and persuade consumers to upgrade. For so many years, those annual upgrades were focussed around improving picture quality, but today we’ve reached a point where picture quality is pretty damn impressive, even on the cheaper sets. So manufacturers have started looking at alternate revenue streams by dabbling in content. Pushing for more engaging games to be offered directly through the TV will allow manufacturers to boost the hardware over the coming years so they can handle more advanced gaming experiences.

Consoles aren’t going to disappear entirely – at least not in the short term – but they are going to find themselves competing with the convenience of games being delivered directly through the television.

MARK: I think you make a decent point there – if your Panasonics and Samsungs try hard enough, they might manage to sway less dedicated games away from their consoles. That’s totally viable – but I think another point you make is equally as important:

“Every generation of LCD and plasma has to offer something new to try and persuade consumers to upgrade.”

HDTVs are almost ubiquitous. Chances are the kind of casual tech user these app stores are aimed at are not on the cusp of technology, they’re not early adopters. Chances are they already own a HDTV, they might have just purchased one in the last year or so. Convincing this market to pick up a new TV for a handful of derivative games and slightly deeper blacks is the epitome of the hard sell.

Point being – most early adopters tend be core gamers. This is most likely not the market Panasonic and Samsung have the ability to pitch at. The casual gamers they dowant to pitch at probably have no interest in spending another $4000 on a TV when they just upgraded.

NICK: But if Nintendo has taught us anything at all in recent years, it’s that core gamers only make up a small percentage of gamers overall. It isn’t core gamers who buy the Wii Fit and do yoga on a set of scales, it’s the mums and dads who don’t think of the Wii as gaming.

Actually, the Wii is probably the best possible starting point for comparison of what to expect from these TV games – Less than stellar graphics, coupled with a novel controller system. LG have even gone so far as to create a remote control that works exactly like a Wiimote for this generation of TVs – point it at the screen and wave it around to navigate through on screen menus. It works surprisingly well, and offers them an advantage in the early stages of TV-based gaming.

But for all the effort that Sony, Panasonic and LG have been doing with their app stores and SDKs, the elephant in the room here is Sony. Considering they have both a consumer electronics division and the Playstation division, it’s them who we should probably expect the most from. We know that Sony filed for a patent on the ‘PS Cloud’ back in 2009, so would it be too big a leap to expect them to offer a true cloud based gaming service that’s accessible directly through Bravia televisions? The Japanese giant has been looking for a way to better integrate the different arms of its business, and this seems like a pretty logical step to take (current cloud-based Sony dilemmas aside).

MARK: Sony is the one company that could make it work – but we’re talking about a company that has really struggled to define themselves – especially when it comes to digital distribution.

In addition, a move like this would only subvert the hard work Sony has put into making itself the brand in console entertainment.

Ultimately I think consoles have a place, and the vision Sony is currently attempting to implement – the PlayStation as convergence device that “only does everything” – is a far more viable solution. Games may stream from the cloud, but they’ll probably do so from a console, or media centre that handles all different types of content – TV, Movies, Music and games.

That seems far more in keeping with what we’re seeing from both Microsoft and Sony, and I don’t see Panasonic or Samsung being able to halt that juggernaut anytime soon.

NICK: I don’t think it’s about halting the juggernaut, so much as creating another juggernaut to run alongside (or maybe just slightly behind) it. If you look at what Sony is doing in the mobile space, opening up the Playstation brand on Android devices, it shows that Sony is branching away from the idea that Playstation hardware is tied to the Playstation software. If you expand on the idea that the Xperia Play is the start of a whole range of Playstation Certified devices, is it really such a stretch to consider a Playstation badged television, that lets you play classic PSOne games directly through the television? Hell, if you look at Google TV – which can already run Android apps – we’re practically living that scenario already.

TV games aren’t going to drive us all out to the shops to replace our consoles, at least not any time soon. But I do think that they will become the dominant form of gaming in the home in the years to come, as traditional non-gamers open up to the idea of playing through their television screens. If I was a developer, I’d be watching this space like a hawk eyeing off a field mouse…

Discuss

(13 Comments)
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    Matt

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    Well you could think of it as being one less piece of AV equipment not cluttering up you’re already sleek TV cabinet/stand.

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    Aaron

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 3:13 PM

    I would definitely agree that the next Nintendo will be the last true console. But to assume that TV’s will simply have console gaming built into them would be pretty silly. No one will ever buy a tv based on who’s games they want. There will always be a sort of external hub that will be able to attach to any kind of tv – otherwise you’re limiting your market. Whether or not Sony builds their next console into their TV’s (as well as still having the external hubs) will be interesting to see – but I really doubt they will when considering it will make their tv’s extremely expensive.

    TV companies attempting some minor gaming is possible but I’d doubt will go much beyond what we see in your usual App stores. I think it’s a fair guess that it is much easier for Microsoft/Nintendo to make tv’s than it is for TV companies to build a decent gaming system so I doubt either will really attempt this sort of competition as there won’t ever be much in it for either side.

    The biggest influences on how much tv’s and consoles cross over I think will be Sony and the prospect of an Apple TV.

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      Gazman

      Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 3:28 PM

      I concur Aaron. I certainly don’t upgrade my TV annually either.

      I suspect that once Apple introduces their app store into an updated Apple TV, it’ll be game on – owing to the usual fanfare that their marketing team manage to achieve.

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    Scott

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 3:24 PM

    For the sort of gamers that frequent this website my guess is PC gaming will remain a reality. The only difference being our platform of choice making its way from a computer room / office / bedroom to the living room.

    For people that like to stay ahead of the technology curve relying on someone else to update there servers across the cloud to get the latest graphics isnt a reality. Or for users who like to customise the way the play the game and the way they interact with the web the only choice for flexibility will be PC’s. Every company wants to monopolise there own service and cut it off from the competitions services. PC gamers are smarter than that, we know we can have it all.Even if it makes our wallets hurt that little bit more. =)

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    woodsdog

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 3:40 PM

    Soon enough a TV panel will be a rentina display… once it reaches this critical mass, it will come to a point where poeple will by the size that suits.
    From their all TV’s will just stream information. more like a monitor. Given a Fiber connection, I’d happily stream FULL HD GAMEs as long as the lag was minimal, Movies, TV or anything on demand really.
    I give it 10 years and alot will be cloud based streaming. It will be all determined by the Company that can best distribute it and make money from it.

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    Fordi

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 10:43 PM

    Can you imagine what would happened if Microsoft partnered with OnLive?

    Xbox Cloud with Media Centre on every TV. It would be epic.

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    Wok

    Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 10:56 PM

    Microsoft anyone? I can see the xbox system being licensed on other devices much like windows.

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    Jason

    Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 2:37 AM

    First of all: streaming games is a horrible, inefficient idea. The amount of power and resources necessary for that sort of thing is excessive and wasteful and, with storage getting larger and cheaper all the time, having a permanent copy is a far superior option. It also means that you aren’t tied to a connection that mightn’t be stable.

    Secondly the obvious solution is for consoles to integrate with TV units. I’ll use Microsoft as an example. Their gaming framework, Live, is available on Windows, Xbox and Windows Phone. Only Xbox is made by them. Instead they could create a series of guidelines, minimum specs and whatnot that TV manufacturers can then use to build an Xbox TV; naturally it would need decent hardware but shouldn’t raise the price of the TV unit much, and would be an added convenience. The software would be the Xbox dashboard, with Apps more readily available (through Marketplace) and would help make Xbox the universal media centre Microsoft wants it to be. You’d be able to consume all your media, games and entertainment from your Xbox TV.

    No need to have two competing juggernauts when you can combine them.

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    SirSpamalot

    Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 2:59 AM

    Can you tell me where to get a bias lighting kit like the one in the photo?

    PS. I keep timing out.

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    TK

    Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM

    Think about the average low-to-middle-income earning, casual gaming family. To them a console is an affordable luxury, upgrading to a new HD gaming tv is not.

    As Fordi mentions above, an OnLive type system together with a fast, affordable broadband network is something that could definitely take off.

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    BenDTU

    Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM

    TVs need to go back to being unintelligent boxes you plug a better device into, IMO.

    On that note, the next Apple TV Needs to support apps so it can become the world’s cheapest HTPC.

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    JohnB

    Friday, June 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM

    I love the “Idea” of a TV with a touch screen and everything, including a console built in. Its a great dream, and would look sleek as hell. Sadly its a bad Idea. Just like TV’s with Built in VCR’s were in the 90′s, dvd’s in early 2000′s and blu-rays now. If one part breaks, and isn’t repairable, the whole thing is junk.

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      JohnB

      Friday, June 17, 2011 at 4:59 AM

      Not to mention the possibility of obsolescence of the console, but not the tv, or visa-versa. Then you get half of what you paid for.

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