The Last Jedi Killed My Childhood, And That's Exactly Why It's Great

The response to The Last Jedi has been divisive to say the least. Some love it because it takes Star Wars in a bold new direction; some hate it for the same reason. While I enjoyed a great deal of the film, it profoundly depressed me, and here's why: The Last Jedi killed my childhood, but not in the way you think.

I understand the issue here. "Killing my childhood" evokes the far more common "ruined my childhood," a petty term that merely means someone hates a modern instalment or version of something you loved as a kid. "So-and-so ruined my childhood!" cannot be said meaningfully; it can only be whined. The Last Jedi ruined neither my childhood nor the Star Wars franchise.

So when I say it "killed my childhood," I mean it only personally.

I was born in 1977, and I grew up with Luke Skywalker. I was one of the multitude of kids who watched the films religiously. I can't even imagine how many times I've seen A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. I loved a lot of movies and cartoons and toys, but it was always Star Wars first and foremost, and Luke Skywalker was my hero. It's not that I necessarily considered him the best hero in pop culture, it's that he was The Hero. The other good guys in my pop culture life were just that - other.

A regular part of the makeup of hero stories is that there's a problem - a monster to defeat, an issue to solve, an institution to topple -- that the older generation has either allowed to happen or is actively participating in. It requires a young hero, a new generation, to solve the problem that the older generation can't, or won't. Older characters can at best act as mentors to the heroes - but they must fail so that the heroes can succeed.

For a kid, it's an intrinsic, powerful story. It makes up the bulk of Western mythology, from the stories of Greek heroes like Perseus, Theseus, Achilles, to the tale of Beowulf. It connects to kids fundamentally. That's why people have been telling stories about heroes, just like this, for thousands of years. But with few -- very few exceptions - these heroes don't get old. We don't want to see our heroes turn into mentors, because we don't want them supplanted. There's something inherently tragic about ageing from a hero to a mentor (or even worse, the hero becoming part of the problem). The message is that no one stays a hero forever. It's why this part of the story is usually left untold.

But this story is effectively told in the Star Wars sequels, just as it had to be told. Once we learned Luke Skywalker, Leia, and Han Solo would appear in the trilogy, we knew there would have to be a problem they couldn't solve -- a conflict beyond their powers that could only be won by Rey, Finn, and Poe. It couldn't happen any other way. If it had, it sure as hell wouldn't be Star Wars.

When The Force Awakens came out, a movie I loved, I bemoaned this fact. My childhood heroes had won their war against the Empire in the original trilogy, but TFA showed that they didn't bring peace to the galaxy. The New Republic Leia fought so hard to establish was broken even before it was destroyed. Luke's attempt to bring back the Jedi ended in such tragedy that he had been living in self-imposed exile for years. Han Solo not only failed to keep his son from the Dark Side, he was murdered because of it.

I hated learning that their hard-won accomplishments in the original trilogy were for naught, that after the end credits of Return of the Jedi their futures would be filled with disappointment and pain. But when The Force Awakens ended, despite Han Solo's death, there was still hope. The Resistance survived. The battle against the First Order had just begun. Luke Skywalker had been found.

I knew The Last Jedi would be a darker, more tragic movie; second acts invariably are (which is why the rumours that TLJ would be the Empire Strikes Back of the new trilogy were so useless). But The Last Jedi does more than leave the story at a low point. It ends with the galaxy nearly consumed with evil, yet a small hope remains - a flickering candle in overwhelming darkness, to use TLJ's constant metaphor, that could bring light… someday. In the future. Presumably Episode IX.

The reason this small light isn't extinguished is because Luke Skywalker makes the ultimate sacrifice to keep it burning. He projects himself across the stars to confront Kylo Ren, buying enough time for the tiny remnant of the Resistance to slip away. It's a noble act. And Luke is successful at keeping that, well, new hope alive. But Luke dies tragically.

When he becomes one with the Force, things are infinitely worse at the end of The Last Jedi than they are before A New Hope begins, before Luke starts his journey. Evil rules the galaxy. There are no more than a dozen members left living in the neo-Rebellion -- not even enough to fill the Millennium Falcon. His adventures, his sacrifices, his victories in the three movies that dominated my childhood accomplished nothing, meant nothing.

I turned 40 this year. I've had a mild, rather traditional midlife crisis at the realisation that I'm likely at the midway point of my life, but my love of the entertainment of my youth -- buoyed both by the immensely popular and profitable nostalgia entertainment industry, as well as the fact that my professional career keeps one foot stuck firmly in my childhood -- has kept me at least partially in a state of arrested development as I approached middle age. I recognised this, but I saw no downside to remaining young at heart. I still don't.

Watching Luke die, not to achieve something as much as to prevent an unfathomable defeat being total, made me ache with sadness. I hated that he died, essentially, a failure. I hate that the movies I lived and breathed as a kid (and for decades after) meant nothing to the Star Wars galaxy. This past weekend I happened to glance at the original trilogy DVD set on my shelf, and had to look away because I didn't want to think about Luke Skywalker's fate. The Last Jedi has made me so upset I don't want to think about Star Wars at all.

I would suspect that those people of my generation who were as obsessed with A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi as I was feel the same -- like the Star Wars franchise has been wrested away from them, by taking the focus off the original heroes, by killing Luke off, and by essentially negating the movies I loved so damn much. Those who grew up with the prequels, or who enjoy Star Wars but don't feel a proprietary ownership over it, probably think I sound like a self-entitled arsehole.

This is because I am being a self-entitled arsehole. Because despite my feelings, The Last Jedi is the best thing that could have possibly happened to the Star Wars franchise.

The Last Jedi is a direct, not-even-slightly subtle message to hardcore, original trilogy-obsessed fans like myself that Star Wars is more than those three movies (or the three prequels that served as one long, terrible prologue to them). It completely resets the battle between good and evil, putting good in more dire straits than we've ever seen in these films. It introduces several brand new Force powers. It expands the universe in ways no one expected (or in ways purists like me wanted). And it removes the old heroes to fully make way for the new.

It proclaims boldly it's time for a truly new Star Wars saga, for a new generation of kids to fall in love with, just like I did. That Star Wars can be more, should be more, than the original trilogy and its prologues and epilogues. That the franchise belongs to more than just those born in the late '70s and early '80s. That it's time for me, like Rey, to let go of the past. It has been that time for a while now.

This is all exactly how it's supposed to be. The franchise needs to do more than just ape the original trilogy in order to evolve, if not outright continue. I shouldn't be holding Star Wars hostage. Lucasfilm and Disney shouldn't be making these movies just for me. They can't if they expect to continue for the next decade. And god knows I'll get to experience plenty more of the adventures of Luke, Leia, and Han for decades to come. As long as I and my ilk keep spending money on them, someone will keep churning out ancillary Star Wars products targeted to our nostalgia.

My brain knows all this, but my heart is still broken. When the Skywalker saga came to a close, so did, in a very real way, that last remnant of my childhood. Star Wars is so representative of my inner child, of my nerdiness, that when Luke faded away into the Force I truly felt like I had lost someone close to me, and the loss was profound. The fact that The Last Jedi's incredibly tragic end makes it so uniquely, horrifyingly perfect for 2017 makes it even more powerfully depressing to me.

The Last Jedi was made with other fans in mind - especially the new ones. This isn't only a good thing, it's the right thing. If you grew up with the prequels, or your first Star Wars experience was The Force Awakens or TLJ, you almost certainly wouldn't have latched onto the original trilogy heroes in the way that my generation did. How could you? Why would you? If you were born in 2007, why would you be any more sad about Luke dying than we were when Obi-Wan sacrificed himself in A New Hope? Rey, Finn, and Poe are the heroes now. And whenever Episode X rolls around, maybe in 2021 or so, another new generation of heroes will emerge, for a new generation of kids to be inspired by.

The Last Jedi is a good Star Wars movie. It just wasn't made for me, or the legion of other fans my age. After 40 years of having Star Wars basically tailor-made for us, it was well past time.

But Luke Skywalker is still dead. And with him, part of my childhood died, too. I mourn them both.

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    Bullshit with this heartbroken, lost youth and mourning crap!

    I'm in my 50's and am loving and revelling in this new direction. As an old fart, it gives me a chance to relive my youth and look forward to the future.

    So bye bye Luke, Han and Leia, it's been great but bring on the new kids!

      luke han and leia were always supposed to hand the reigns over, but the way they killed off han and luke was so badly done it was comedic, the new kids are just terrible, I just don't care what happens to any of them, the new films just suck

      there is something profoundly missing from the disney films that the prequels had, george lucas
      starwars without lucas is like cereal without milk

        I'm comfortable that I think you're completely wrong (as most critically astute critics will confirm).

        Also, you're missing these: LHL.TDGLSWL.

        Congratulations on your exemplary comma usage.

          CaptSid, I think I'm comfortable in assuming and feeling rightfully obligated to conclude that you gave the most empty counter argument to what ghostoflucas said.

          ok, if I'm wrong, just name ONE memorable musical theme from the force awakens, rogue one or last jedi

          I'll wait...

            I can't say that I remember any theme for VII or VIII - but I always go back to the Imperial Suite from Rogue One - beautifully military and epic.

        I agree, I just can't care what happens to the new guys, I told my wife the same thing when we left the cinema. I think I have to go see it again and decided if I can wrap my head around what they tried to do here. I don't understand what the point of Snoke was, are we ever going to find out about him. Kylo Ren is the worst bad guy I've ever seen, they need to up their game and wrap things up a bit in the next one as TLJ is a mess imo.
        My 9yo daughter cried her eyes out when Luke died. I told her not to cry as he was happy when he died because he has reconnected with the force and was at peace. She told me it wasn't that, it was because he was the best and she didn't like the other characters other than Chewie and the droids. Yep, she preferred the robots and the walking carpet to the new characters she was supposed to connect with.

        Last edited 20/12/17 11:16 pm

    If The Last Jedi was made with other fans in mind then, forget about everything other than just making it a good movie... This is the desperate waffle of someone trying to like a bad movie... Just stop...

    Sorry I should have said... I have no issues with the death of older characters... It has to happen... I have issues with a legionnaires march set in space... Apparently space is a limited lane highway that you cannot pass on (in any direction) and then turn around and come back to the same spot (At light speed). Mutineers are heroes... The most powerful evil Sith (maybe not Sith we will never know) cannot detect his pupil's duplicity... Force broom boy... Canto Carlo... Being regularly monologued at (to keep morale up)... Chrome dome being killed and having absolutely no point as a character... Just everything... Was rubbish...

    How many opinion pieces does one movie need? Between Giz, LH and Kot, there have been at least a dozen so far. Give it a rest...

      disney is paying a lot of money for people to say nice things and they're in damage control mode over how awful the film is, but the fans cannot be bought

      Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
      Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures | Release Date: December 15, 2017

      CRITIC SCORE DISTRIBUTION
      86 Universal acclaim based on 54 Critics
      Positive: 51
      Mixed: 3
      Negative: 0

      Vs

      USER RATING DISTRIBUTION
      4.9 Mixed or average reviews based on 3634 Ratings
      Positive: 1,492
      Mixed: 490
      Negative: 1,652

        disney is paying a lot of money for people to say nice things

        So who do you think shot JFK?

          Probably the same people who have spoken to every doctor in the world and convinced them all to promote “autism causing” vaccines..!

        ghostoflucas, if those stats were true, I'm starting to believe that all those critics were paid or bribed in some way. I mean, not one critic rated the movie negatively? Not one, when everybody can clearly agree that there were a lot of things wrong with the movie.

        Seriously, give me a break, this is fucking art, a movie is no different to a painting or a song, there is NO right or wrong, just opinion, which is seriously divided with this film, which tells me its at the very least... good art!
        What I find cool after reading many threads on this subject on Giz, is people try to use opinions to garner, in some fucked up scientific way that an opinion is true or false....hilarious.

          I fundamentally disagree with every premise you've made within your post

          opinions can be wrong, and often are
          art can be objectively awful, a children's scribble is not a good work of art
          'good art' is not measured by how much controversy it stirs, that is not deep, thought provoking or meaningful, it's just provocation

          but the last jedi is not art, it's a 2.5 hour toy commercial for disney
          if you do not think so, then tell me why the porgs were put in the film
          at least the ewoks were part of the plot

            No... ALL opinions are wrong, not some.
            You lack a lot of perspective...
            a children's scribble is not a good work of art
            ...it is to a child...why is a child's opinion of "art" lesser than yours?
            Have you never taken a rorschach test? Do you think everyone sees the same thing? No, and the same in the art they view, its all perspective/subjective.
            'good art' is not measured by how much controversy it stirs
            Sure, its not "measured" by it, I didnt say that though. The simple fact is a lot of people like it and a lot don't, its not a measure of its quality (thats subjective), but I said "good", not "great", that's average. Yeah yeah I get it, you don't like it, fine, but saying "its not art"... you sound like a baby crying. Of coarse its a form of art...judge it and move on...

              >...it is to a child...why is a child's opinion of "art" lesser than yours?

              anakin, is that you?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhOXlWcnJQ
              waaaaaaah my point of view!! muh relativism!!!

              there's nothing good about the last jedi, and it's not art
              the same way crap is not food and everyone with a functioning brain would objectively agree with me
              I'm not going to say 'crap is food' to make one person happy, the only person in the world who finds eating crap delicious

                Would you like a tissue?
                I think you need it as your now not only whining your dribbling shit...

        hilarious, you do know that user reviews on sites like that are easily corrupted and abused and something like this has orchestrated downvoting campaigns. I dont know who is who more silly those you write the downvotes or those who believe them.

          critics who are paid to give glowing reviews overlooking the film's glaring flaws aren't corrupt?

          >orchestrated downvoting campaigns
          yeah, it's called fan backlash when you make characters do ridiculous out of character things like turn yoda into a book burner, make leia fly through space, make luke drink milk from a space sloth and give him a cowards death

          even luke hated the movie
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0biqMZrxJ0

            Hate to break it to you Mark is just an actor. He is also a very strong opinionated and outspoken person. He doesn’t own Luke any more than we do. It wasn’t my Luke anymore than it was my Han or Leia but then again nothing on earth will ever be. The Last Jedi was brave, braver than any other Star Wars before except for Empire.

            Give me someone trying to be unique and interesting and slightly missing, than never trying anything at all. I was a fan of the way the flying thing was done, but the how Luke thing is one of the most memeroble things I have seen in years, even if it was what I wanted to happen

            If that is the performance Mark can give when we isn’t happy with choices, he has come along way from the kid who couldn’t act in the originals

              I'd take lucas and hamill's luke over this imposter luke created by a literal nobody director that nobody ever heard of and has had no involvement in starwars until 3 years ago

              >I was a fan of the way the flying thing was done
              I find your lack of taste disturbing

      Or you know.

      You could not click on them

      Problem solved.

    Rob Bricken! that's exactly what I was saying to my friends. I can't look at the OT now. It's not the same. Born in 74 I too grew up with our Hero's. To now know their sad depressing fate dampens my viewing of the OT which I now don't want to do anymore.

    Nobody seems to get why I didn’t like this movie.

    I don’t have a problem with Rey. I don’t have a problem with Luke dying. I don’t have a problem with Kylo Ren or Snoke.

    Here are the issues that I had
    - The humour felt forced. Don’t come back and say that the OT had jokes because not all jokes are created equally. That opening scene with Poe and a hapless Hux was bad.

    - Also why was Hux so useless in this?

    - Space fuel is a stupid plot device when it’s never been a factor in any of the previous films.

    - The Space chase wasn’t tense. It was boring and stupid.

    - The resistance has hardly any members left and Holdi still thinks that withholding information from Poe is a good idea? The movie would be so much shorter if she had just said that she was following Leia’s plan or some detail of what the plan was.

    - Canto Bight was bad. Not only did it not achieve anything it also placed Finn, one of the main characters of the last film as a sidekick to the new character who got to drive the emotional arc of that scene.

    - While on Canto Bight they get caught and when they managed to get out they decide to free some space horses and ride them through the town. Then give up completely on finding the person they came for because some random guy said he could do it? A random guy you could tell would betray them.

    - Heavy handed commentary about the military industrial complex? Ugh. And apparently both sides are now buying their ships? They literally show things being made inside the first order ship.

    - Leia has not shown any physical force powers but can suddenly fly through space? Right.

    - Every scene on Luke’s island had either a porg or a porg sound.

    - Chewbacca had one conversation with his old friend and then just hung out in the Falcon.

    - Rose sexually assaults Finn

    There’s probably more but I can’t think of them at the moment.

      The humour felt forced. Don’t come back and say that the OT had jokes because not all jokes are created equally. That opening scene with Poe and a hapless Hux was bad.
      Ok, so the comedy didn't tickle your fancy. I don't agree. I quite liked it and thought it helped try and further establish Poe's character as an arrogant pilot, resulting in a greater fall for his ego later on.

      Also why was Hux so useless in this?
      Why was Boba Fett so useless in RotJ? Why was Jabba so useless in RotJ? Both were big, badass characters that died in super contrived ways.

      Space fuel is a stupid plot device when it’s never been a factor in any of the previous films.
      I've never run out of petrol in my life, but that doesn't mean it's not possible for me to run out tomorrow.

      The Space chase wasn’t tense. It was boring and stupid.
      That's your opinion. At no point was I thinking "Man, I wish this was over".

      The resistance has hardly any members left and Holdi still thinks that withholding information from Poe is a good idea? The movie would be so much shorter if she had just said that she was following Leia’s plan or some detail of what the plan was.
      Ok, I agree. They should have had her say "We don't know how they're tracking us so there could be a mole on the ship. As such I'm not revealing anything". But the fact is that the whole reason behind Poe and Rose going off on their own was so that they could fail and cause the deaths of the rest of the fleet. Failure is the point of the whole movie. While I agree they could have cut 30 mins of footage by not having the casino planet entirely, they would have had to include other plot points that result in Poe and Rose failing massively so that they fit thematically.

      Canto Bight was bad. Not only did it not achieve anything it also placed Finn, one of the main characters of the last film as a sidekick to the new character who got to drive the emotional arc of that scene.
      I already addressed this in the previous bit, but not the part about Rose driving the narrative. This is a simple trope where you take an established character and pair them up with an unestablished character to quickly bring the audience up to speed and give the audience information as to where the new character stands in relation to the established character. You may just not like that plot device.

      While on Canto Bight they get caught and when they managed to get out they decide to free some space horses and ride them through the town. Then give up completely on finding the person they came for because some random guy said he could do it? A random guy you could tell would betray them.
      Did we watch the same movie? I seem to recall them "give up completely on finding the person they came for" because they were being chased, shot at and eventually cornered and running for their lives. They only left with "some random guy" because he literally escaped and they followed along, resulting in the aforementioned chase.

      Heavy handed commentary about the military industrial complex? Ugh. And apparently both sides are now buying their ships? They literally show things being made inside the first order ship.
      Heavy handed commentary about the political climate? Heavy handed commentary about the importance of family? Heavy handed commentary about pretty much anything SW has dealt with previously? Yeah, they've been there done that before. As for ships being made inside the First Order ship, that doesn't mean they don't need raw materials, components, etc. or even that the production capacity of the ship meets their needs so they have to enlist outside contractors.

      Leia has not shown any physical force powers but can suddenly fly through space? Right.
      It's been what, 30 years between TFA and RotJ? She can't learn a few new tricks? She's not "flying through space" either, she's performing what looks like a *very* weak force pull to drag herself closer to the airlock. I mean, there's a kid who's force sensitive enough that he can intuitively pull a broom towards himself with zero training. It's not possible that Leia can do the same thing?

      Every scene on Luke’s island had either a porg or a porg sound.
      The Star Wars movies were made as an exercise to sell merch and toys. Why are you picking on this movie and not any of the others?

      Chewbacca had one conversation with his old friend and then just hung out in the Falcon.
      He's not a protagonist in this movie. He's a side character. If you want to see the Chewbacca story, watch episodes 4, 5 & 6. Yoda only got 1 conversation too.

      Rose sexually assaults Finn You mean the quick kiss when she thinks she's dying? I'm just going to go ahead and assume that this is a joke.

      If anything, I think Holdi should have been removed entirely from the script and replaced with Admiral Ackbar. Give him a fitting death by doing the exact same scene, except have the lead officer (Was it Hux? I can't remember) on the First Order ship gasp and say "It's a trap!" just before Ackbar hits hyperspace. As you may be able to read contextually from my comments, I just don't think this movie is as terrible as people are making it out to be. It was never meant to be Citizen Kane. It's a movie about space wizards. The problem is that people are remembering the original movies (which are full of plot holes, contrived scenes and bad dialogue) with rose coloured glasses and expecting that they'll love a movie that's a week old as much as one that's got 30 years of nostalgia bundled with it.

        ...have the lead officer on the First Order ship gasp and say "It's a trap!" just before Ackbar hits hyperspace.
        Love this so much.

        Ok, so the comedy didn't tickle your fancy. I don't agree. I quite liked it and thought it helped try and further establish Poe's character as an arrogant pilot, resulting in a greater fall for his ego later on.

        Agree to disagree. I just expected more than a prank phone call in a Star Wars movie.

        Why was Boba Fett so useless in RotJ? Why was Jabba so useless in RotJ? Both were big, badass characters that died in super contrived ways.

        The thing is that Hux was shown to be the second in command, and equal in power at least to Kylo Ren. I don't think Boba Fett or Jabba compare at all.

        Imagine if Tarkin showed up in ESB, but he's now a bumbling fool. That would have sucked.

        I've never run out of petrol in my life, but that doesn't mean it's not possible for me to run out tomorrow.

        Sure but if your life was adapted into a TV series would you devote an episode to getting petrol? Or an episode to being low on petrol? I doubt it because nobody wants to see that shit. Imagine if the next fast and the furious movie is just a single car chase where the chase car just waits for Dom to run out of fuel.

        That's your opinion. At no point was I thinking "Man, I wish this was over".
        I don't see what was tense about it? You knew they made it to Crait in some capacity.

        But the fact is that the whole reason behind Poe and Rose going off on their own was so that they could fail and cause the deaths of the rest of the fleet.

        I don't have an issue with them failing. The same result could have been achieved by them going directly to ship. Make it so that Rose knows how to stop their tracking technology.

        I love the idea that Rose and Finn get to the ship and open the room where the tracking tech is supposed to be and it's empty. Then the reveal that there is a mole within the resistance so they still know about the evacuation plan.

        This is a simple trope where you take an established character and pair them up with an unestablished character to quickly bring the audience up to speed and give the audience information as to where the new character stands in relation to the established character. You may just not like that plot device.

        I get what they were trying to do but I don't feel that it worked. I don't care about Rose's dead sister because I only saw her in one scene.

        They want to get in a story about kids being treated badly, and you've got a character there that was taken by an evil organisation as a kid. You'd think logically there would be some way to use that backstory.

        Did we watch the same movie? I seem to recall them "give up completely on finding the person they came for" because they were being chased, shot at and eventually cornered and running for their lives.

        During the Pod Racing scene - sorry, the Fathier riding scene - all they had to do was jump off and in the ensuring chaos of the wild animals being loose find some disguises and track down the person they were looking for. It doesn't make sense that they'd ride the things all the way to a cliff when they went through the town. I mean they jumped through the casino windows. Jump off then and at least attempt to look for the guy.

        even that the production capacity of the ship meets their needs so they have to enlist outside contractors.

        I still think this is completely stupid. The series is literally called Star Wars and in the 8th movie now they are telling us that war is bad? It added nothing to the plot.

        It's not possible that Leia can do the same thing?
        If it had been established in TFA that she had any kind of physical force ability then I wouldn't have minded this scene. Forward planning would have made this bearable but there doesn't seem to be any of that. Have her force push somebody during the Takodana scene or something.

        The Star Wars movies were made as an exercise to sell merch and toys. Why are you picking on this movie and not any of the others?
        Name something worse than the porgs?

        He's not a protagonist in this movie. He's a side character. If you want to see the Chewbacca story, watch episodes 4, 5 & 6. Yoda only got 1 conversation too.

        Yoda's scene contributed to the plot. Chewbacca could have had one meaningful conversation. You can't completely ignore the past.

        You mean the quick kiss when she thinks she's dying? I'm just going to go ahead and assume that this is a joke.
        Not a joke. If the roles were reversed people wouldn't be okay with it.

        replaced with Admiral Ackbar.
        I have heard a lot of people say this and I 100% agree.

          Name something worse than the porgs?

          Jar-jar?

            Jar-Jar contributed to the plot significantly.

              Yes, which is what made him so much worse.

        >She can't learn a few new tricks? She's not "flying through space" either, she's performing what looks like a *very* weak force pull to drag herself closer to the airlock

        It's just dumb, not to mention she would be dead

        >The Star Wars movies were made as an exercise to sell merch and toys. Why are you picking on this movie and not any of the others?

        The other films had a meaningful story, the disney ones aren't meaningful, it's just a flashy soulless mess that taps the fan's shoulder every 2 minutes "REMEMBER THIS FROM THE BETTER FILMS?"

      >Rose sexually assaults Finn

      kissing is sexual assault now? hahaha
      what's next? talking to a woman? looking in a woman's general direction?

        @ghostoflucas

        I don't usually join the discussion, but your anger and lust for power against the new trilogy has lit a spark that will light the fire that will burn you down.

          It has lit a spark that will light the fire that will boil the water that will create the steam that will spin the windcatcher that will pull the string that will turn the doorknob that will drop the bucket of water upon the delusional critics

        So your workplace is fine with you walking up to other employees and kissing them without their consent? I doubt it.

        You think, for example, the Australian armed forces have a policy where you can kiss a soldier of the opposite sex in the heat of battle without consent? I doubt it.

          oh yeah, finn was totally mouth raped by rose :rolleyes
          gimme a break snowflake

    Oh for heaven's sake. If you were born in 1977 then you were not walking when the first Star Wars came out. I was 17 when that happened so it was definitive. BTW have no problem with this series just the prequels.

    The Star Wars are dead. Long live the Star Wars.

    "It completely resets the battle between good and evil"
    NO IT BLOODY WELL DOESN'T - if anything, it REINFORCES it as a black-and-white, good-vs-bad tale.
    Things were starting to get interesting when Kylo was trying to convince Rey to 'forget about the Jedi, forget about the Sith' and do their own thing and take control. Wow awesome! This is exactly what Star Wars needed, a fresh direction and new interpretation of the force - but NOPE JKZ he was evil all along. DERP.

    Also, is nobody going to mention how POINTLESS Finn's role was in this movie? He clearly should have died sacrificing himself to destroy the battering ram laser. His character arc would have been complete. He would've come from being an expendable stormtrooper doing the bidding of a totalitarian, malevolent force - to realising that the actions of one person can do overwhelming amounts of good in the face of overwhelming opposition. He was ready to give his life so that others would survive - so that the idea of rebellion itself would survive. It would've carried so much emotional weight - BUT NOPE JKZ - fangirl has to crash into him, not only risking killing BOTH of them, but ALSO dooming the rest of the resistance to oblivion. Derp!
    AND TO TOP IT OFF, she has a little monologue about how 'love will save the day' while resistance members are LITERALLY GETTING SHOT OUT OF THE SKY BEHIND HER.

    How ANYBODY could defend such a MORONIC filmmaking decision is STAGGERING.

    Also, it should have been Leia to sacrifice herself by hyperspacing through the dreadnought. It would've meant WAY MORE than her cringeworthy Superman impression, which contributed NOTHING to the plot.

    Before anyone even thinks about disagreeing with me, you best not hope you've previously said something like 'this movie is all about failure' - because the above changes would've only reinforced that, only with a much heavier emotional loss.

    You can't say this movie was all about loss without acknowledging that the above points are valid, and that the movie deserves criticism on those two alone - because THERE WAS NO REAL LOSS. Luke will most likely come back as a force ghost, Leia will be killed offscreen, admiral Holdo was on screen for a total of 2 minutes so nobody cared that she died, and Finn is still alive, having learned and accomplished absolutely nothing.

    I'm so SICK of hearing fanboys justify their fanaticism using profound rhetoric like every sentence of this article. It definitely wasn't anywhere near as bad as the prequels, but this is no excuse to give the GLARING ERRORS of this movie a free pass.

    The WORST thing about the issues in this film is that they now influence what will happen in the next one. If you hated this film, then reduce your expectations lower for the next one - because they will have to somehow keep continuity, and Rian Johnson himself has tweeted that he has no idea where he is taking the trilogy. NOTHING IS PLANNED, you guys.

    Star Wars is a rudderless ship, and Disney is slowly sinking it.

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      Also, it should have been Leia to sacrifice herself by hyperspacing through the dreadnought. It would've meant WAY MORE than her cringeworthy Superman impression, which contributed NOTHING to the plot.
      Are you sure you're not just working backwards from the fact that Carrie Fisher died? I agree that it would have been great to give Leia a proper send off, and that will likely not happen now. I hope they don't try to use Rogue One-style CGI to put her in the next film posthumously.

      As far as the film goes, it doesn't make any sense for the Resistance to sacrifice its leadership and figurehead if it isn't necessary. In fact, it left me wondering why they needed a human on board at all: could they have remotely piloted the ship, or left a droid on board to do it instead?

    The problem with this movie isn't that it's trying to go in a new direction, or that it's doing things that are "different". To be honest, it isn't actually doing much that is really that different, but I can see why people are reading too deeply into the movie to try and imagine that it is - essentially because The Last Jedi is a shallow movie of nothingness.

    If you analyse the movie in any reasonable sense of writing, characterisation or plotting, essentially nothing happens for its entire duration. No stakes are raised. No plot question is raised and/or dealt with. There is no real core conflict that is highlighted or explored through its events. The ONLY thing that happens is that Poe Dameron undergoes a mild character change by learning to not sacrifice people in order to achieve a goal. The movie starts with the rebels running away from the empire, and ends with the rebels running away from the empire.

    This is to say nothing of some of the hideous execution. Humour is subjective, but I found nearly every single joke fell flat. So many of the actions of the characters are pointless or ignore alternatives that would have achieved their goal more easily and more effectively. Numerous times characters simply get from one place to another despite that doing so would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible. Plot threads are raised only to be dropped without achieving or serving any purpose whatsoever, much like many hanging plot threads from The Force Awakens were also unceremonious dropped for no gain. If a scene or plot thread serves no purpose to the overall story, it should be cut. Yet The Last Jedi fills a ridiculous amount of its running time with this vapid pointlessness.

    Nothing of storytelling value occurs during two and a half hours of cinema. That is the true problem with this film, and no amount of hand waving or attempts to justify its value to the series, "deep themes", "great characters" or "the development of the force" or any of the other things people have praised it for do nothing to reduce the fact that The Last Jedi is an awful and lazy story, and as such, an utterly flawed movie.

    So many good points already listed above...I’ll just add my own.

    The Last Jedi was not a good movie. I loved the prequels. I loved the originals. I don’t enjoy the sequel trilogy so far. The actors are good, the visual effects are equally impressive, I really like where Kylo Ren’s story is going, but apart from that, I’m not sold on the others.

    What I find most interesting is the script for Ep 8 was being written while Ep 7 was in (post) production. Sadly to get these films out on a two year rotation, there isn’t enough time to wait for the previous film to release and gauge audience reactions.

    Like right now, Ep 9 is already being written and has been for months already. Production has already begun and scenes and concept art already going ahaead. So that means that while the audience may not like Porgs, Lucasfilm probably thinks, “shit, we got a gold mine on our hands”. Obviously this isn’t exactly how the movie business goes, but we know enough to understand that a two year gap just isn’t enough time to give us a good Star Wars film.

    You Bob Bricken are the problem - I cannot and will not believe you were born in 1977 because your mentality is that of a child born in 1997 and if you really were, how very sad for you.

    The younger generation stole Starwars. Yes, they Stole it. Yes, they destroyed our childhood.

    But instead of just saying that like every other nutter, I will explain why. Starwars was ours. The prequels were theirs. Transformers were theirs, in fact all the shitty new remake franchises are theirs. What they have done is get on a bandwagon because it's cool. Where teenagers care more about dressing up as a character, than the actual character or movie it's from. The cosplay scene and these self indulgent people claimed starwars as their own and instead of protecting what was ours, they took it and changed it into what they wanted without a care for the people that made these new films even possible,

    IF NOT FOR US ORIGINAL FANS - THERE WOULD BE NO STAR WARS.

    I was born on 1983. I grew up on the Original Trilogy. The first film I ever saw was Empire Strikes Back (on VHS). I've seen the Original Trilogy so many times I could probably quote it as I watch it.

    I got caught up in hype of the prequels but eventually came to realise that Clones and Phantom aren't that good. Though Revenge of the Sith is one of my favourites.

    The Force Awakens and Rogue One were both quite enjoyable too. They had some flaws but they didn't detract from the stories being told.

    The Last Jedi though is something else. I've not seen a Star Wars film quite like this. With such heavy themes and emotional weight. Subverting expectations at every turn. A message in almost every scene. A Star Wars film that pushed the franchise far beyond the Original Trilogy, beyond fan expectations, beyond fan ownership. It took our understanding of the legends of our heroes and smashed them open to show us what was at their core. It smashed open our understanding of good and evil, light and dark in the Star Wars universe. It laid bare our pre-conceptions and our assumptions. And asked us who we were to make these judgements of Star Wars. Who are we indeed. Fans of the old ways? The old ways failed. Fans of the prequels? The Jedi were full of hubris and arrogance.

    Like Rey we were shown ourselves and Star Wars itself asked us who we were. Good guy, bad guy, made up words. Light and dark? The Force doesn't belong to us. Leave the past behind. Kill it if you have to. Don't fight what you hate, save what you love.

    This was unlike any Star Wars I had ever seen or read.

    And I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT. This is easily my favourite Star Wars film. Surpassing Empire.

    I am excited to see where this franchise is going in the future.

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