Aussie Zombie Movie Wyrmwood Is Being Widely Pirated, But Please Don't

Indie zombie movie Wyrmwood: Road Of The Dead has had a limited release around Australia, and has enjoyed a pretty positive reception from critics and moviegoers alike. The film was released onto iTunes in the US over the weekend, but it's getting much more attention on the internet from illegitimate downloads on torrent sites.

Here's the thing -- you shouldn't pirate Wyrmwood. It's pretty much indefensible.

Wyrmwood is the product of Guerilla Films brothers Kiah and Tristan Roache-Turner, and was shot on a shoestring $160,000 budget -- but after marketing and post-production expenses, has cost around $1 million to create. That's not a lot of money when you consider the cost of any triple-A summer tentpole blockbuster like Jurassic World -- but those films have the full support of a massive studio and a guaranteed movie release across the entire world's cinema screens.

The two brothers shot the film in partnership with Aussie distributor Studio Canal, but the complete picture was produced on a deferred payment basis. That's everyone -- director, writers, the entire cast and crew -- who are waiting for the film's widespread release and (hopefully) its success until they see any money in their pockets. Dozens of people who are hoping to see their more than 18 months of hard work pay dividends, and to see a reason to keep making movies.

We don't get many inventive films made in Australia that cater to a niche audience -- and like The Tunnel, they deserve our attention and respect when they come along. That means supporting the filmmakers and opening your wallets and making Wyrmwood a success, not another reason for movie distributors to decry the ill effects of piracy.

If there was any tiny, miniscule smidgen of a legitimate reason for anyone to pirate Wyrmwood, it would ironically enough be for us Australians -- at the moment, there's no legal way to access the film online. Despite its US iTunes release, the movie won't be out here online or in DVD form until April 2. That's a pity, but it is coming. And that means you should wait patiently, because that wait -- as annoying and unreasonable as it is -- is necessary if you want to support Aussie filmmakers. But people aren't.

Inside Film has seen Wyrmwood sitting at the most-downloaded list on private torrent tracker site TorrentDay over the weekend, beating out blockbuster titles with years. We already know that Australians are among the most prolific torrenters around the world, so there's almost certainly a fair proportion of downloads coming from our own doorstep. Wyrmwood's clearly popular, and that's a great thing -- but this kind of popularity is not the kind that turns into cold hard cash.

The limited screenings that have run across Australia -- 85 cinemas had a single screening of the movie, and Moonlight Cinema ran screenings for five sessions -- have made just over $120,000 for the production team, but that only goes a very small part of the way to reimbursing the filmmakers and distributor for their time and effort and good faith in the interest of people extending to actually paying money to see the film.

I'm going to be buying a copy -- or two or three -- of Wyrmwood, because I'm a big fan of zombie movies, and this is what I will do to support them. Smart, funny, well produced and well thought-out passion projects like this don't come along very often, and if you keep pirating them, they won't be around for long. Please -- just be patient, wait it out, and support Wyrmwood when it launches on DVD, and online, and in more cinema screens around the country.

And for those people who have already pirated it -- maybe you're just showing your interest, and that's a good thing. But all I can say is that if you're one of the (more than a few) people who has pirated Wyrmwood: Road Of The Dead, you'd better do the right thing and at least pay for it when it becomes available legally within Australia. You're shooting the Aussie film industry, and independent filmmakers, squarely in the foot if you don't.

Oh, and if you can't wait -- sign up to Fan-Force and suggest an impromptu movie screening near you. In Sydney? I'm trying to get one organised, so stay tuned.

Update: You can find a response from Wyrmwood director Kiah Roache-Turner in the comments section below. [Wyrmwood]

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    I will buy it when it hits iTunes here. Saw the trailer a while back and it looks really good. Hope they hunt down the pirates.

      How can you blame the pirates for pirating it while it's not even accessible to them legally?

        Spending money on a movie, only to find out that you don't like it, is ripping yourself off.

        Not spending money on a movie you really like is ripping the filmmakers off.

        So what are we supposed to do?

        I, for one, downloaded it. I watched the first 5 minutes and deleted it from my hard drive. I don't owe the filmmakers anything and I didn't lose out. If the first 5 minutes had been good I would have kept the download and gone out and paid to see the movie, most likely with my significant other and some friends, but it was crap so they aren't getting my money, and I won't watch anymore of their movie. Pretty fair.

          Completely agree, its the best way to do it.

          That works fine in theory but I find most people don't have the discipline it takes to pull it off. Whether or not something is worth spending money on after you've already consumed it is such a flexible equation. Even when the movie is good there's always the wriggle room to say 'well, it wasn't great, and Zelda comes out this month and I really want to buy that, so there's no money left over for the movie I just watched'.

        Exactly, please provide a link to where I can legally download or stream this content?

        If someone had a Steam-like offering for movies to own or rent then I'd purchase every single thing I watched just like I purchase every single game I play. Who am I to steal someone's content when they are making it readily available for me to purchase it for an affordable price?

            Not out so none of those links are useful. He said provide a link which presumably work.

          You WILL be able to stream this soon , so your pathetic excuse doesnt cut it. Stop being an impatient person and pay for art instead of stealing it.

            First of all, it is not an excuse as I haven't torrented the film in the first place. I'm just stating that if an easy and affordable distribution method isn't provided expect people to pirate the content.

            It's also a joke that a film is being released to the rest of the world prior to it's country of origin.

        You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world) … but even if you couldn't is 'waiting' such a terrible thing? When I was a kid we used to wait months and MONTHS for films and it only whetted our appetites …

          BUT I WANT MY TOY NOW! *throws tantrum*

            It's this attitude to paying customers that made me decide not to go watch it at the cinemas when recently asked. Well that and its a atrocious movie according to the paying customers. But hey, bad publicity is good publicity right?

            Cinema revenue has not been declining since home theaters came out for no reason. Catch up with technology, innovate don't stagnate. Windowing is dead.

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        I don't but … You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)

        Because they are pirating.
        Not releasing the film in all regions at the same time is a poor decision. That decision however, does not give someone the right to pirate. It will be made available, just not when you want it.
        We have no entitlement to any of these things. Yes companies need to rethink their strategies if they want the public to part with their hard earned money.

          We have no entitlement to any of these things.

          Yeah buddy, we do. We have an entitlement to expect and to demand worldwide distribution, and a level playing field for prices. Don't give us a 'legitimate' mechanism for this and Bitorrent will fill that void - it's both worldwide, and a level playing field price wise (free). I would gladly swap the 'free' part for an equitable price if I could get my movies and shows at the same time as the rest of the world, in a format I can watch on any device. If the 'Pirates' can do that, so can the content industry - they're just not trying hard enough.

            My comment is not clear or well written.

            I agree with your statements regarding distribution and price. It should be made available at the same time across all regions, it should be affordable etc. However if these criteria are not met, the public still do not have the right or entitlement to pirate said product.

        My name is Kiah Roache-Turner, I Co-wrote & directed Wyrmwood -

        I would like to say a few things ...

        We knew we would be torrented. We expected it. My issue isn't with torrenters (that is a global internet policing issue which is very much out of my hands) - my issue is with those individuals who pirate the film, LOVE the film … and then just move on to the next thing.
        All I ask is that you stop and think about it for just a second. I don't mind that you believe in the 'try before you buy' theory, but if you try it and you like it PLEASE pay for a legal copy because artists have to eat. It's really that simple.
        I've been following the online comments pretty closely and what a lot of the reaction has boiled down to is something like this "If those fools (the filmmakers) were too stupid to organise a cross-platform, same-day global release strategy then they deserve everything they get!" … and yes, comments have been that harsh (harsher actually, the internet can be a pretty brutal playground:)
        This is the point that I feel needs to be clarified as most people don't seem to understand how the film industry works. Quite frankly, nor did I until very recently.
        When you sign on with a distributer you basically sign on to be guided by their existing distribution model. Don't forget - these guys & gals are really smart and REALLY know how to release a film and they've been doing it for decades to a wildly successful degree.
        You don't sign onto ONE distributer (which would be fantastic) - you sign on to MANY distributers all over the world who all have different ideas about release strategy and have different priorities in regards to dates and different agreements when it comes to who they deal with in regards to DVD, Bluray & VOD.
        We, in conjunction with Studio Canal tried VERY hard to get 'same day' for Wyrmwood for iTunes but unfortunately our hands where tied due to the 'window' required by cinemas between theatrical release and online release (that is a length of time between the two that ensures cinemas can get a maximum turn at bat before those other markets generally take over, this is usually 3 months). In this instance we were able to get a 2 month window instead of 3 which is fantastic but Aussies were still pissed off when they realised that IFC Midnight (our US distro) had been able to release theatrical and VOD same day so …
        As soon as US released it's iTunes copy 'boom', somebody ripped that film off the platform, uploaded it to Pirate Bay & the film became one of the most torrented films in the world overnight.
        People have been asking "then why go theatrical at all?" … good question. Unfortunately funding bodies require that a film have a limited theatrical run for it to be considered for funding. And me and my brother ran out of money for this baby YEARS ago so without funding - NO WYRMWOOD.
        And thank God Screen Aus believed in us because without government funding for post-production this film would not be playing in cinemas AT ALL.
        What people need to understand is that this industry has been around for a long time - it is huge and vast and labyrinthine and unfortunately doesn't change on a dime. I liken it to the 'Titanic' … we've all spotted the iceberg and it's all hands on deck, the ship is turning but not NEARLY fast enough.
        What people need to understand is that every single person in every single organisation, from the government bodies we've dealt with (like Screen Aus) to distributers (like Studio Canal) to cinema chains and owners ALL KNOW what the problems are and they are working their butts off to make these changes happen but it is happening in the way that all huge industries generally make gargantuan changes … and that is not EVER 'overnight'.
        Right now it's in YOUR hands. Yes, YOU the person with the hand paused over the 'download' button getting ready to download my bad-ass ozploitation zombie film RIGHT now …
        I can't stop you pushing that button. That's not my job. Nor do I judge you for pushing that button, mate - that's your decision, it's none of my business.
        But if you download Wyrmwood and really bloody like it. PLEASE do the right thing and purchase a copy and support independent filmmakers who sweated blood for 4 long years to bring you that film.
        It's all very well to say "well, this is how the world is" or "if the industry won't change fast enough, why should I bother?" but the simple fact of the matter is this:
        My cast and crew need to eat … so: YOU WATCH. YOU BUY … we eat.
        It's really that simple.
        thank you for your time,
        Rant over.
        yours truly,
        Kiah Roache-Turner
        Filmmaker & Part-Time Online Ranter

          Fair point and good on you for all your hard work to get the movie funded made and released...BUT.... unfortunately, this is how the world works now and it would appear that governments, studios, distributors or whoever/whatever the powers that are responsible for these outdated models of release and/or distribution do not move fast enough to keep up with the modern world.

          Best of luck with the film. I hope you see something come of it.

            "FairPointBUTthisishowtheworldworks" What a comment. Breathtaking in its confident entitlement. Slack-jawed in its willful ignorance.

            This is how the world works if we, as individuals, allow it to be. Because MODERNITY. PROGRESS. And...stuff? We could apply this entitle-logic to most injustices that occur on our planet. Capitalism! Free Market! I demand the cheap food goods. Coles stocks them. I buy them at Coles. Other Companies need to get with the program, goddammit. Never mind the politics, history, international labour conditions, fair wages, distant injustices and other humanitarian ethics. My right is for cheap goods.

            Hopefully you can see some similarities. Except in Wyrmwood's case, nobody receives a cent.

              Slack-jawed in its willful ignorance? I think not Robag you condescending twerp.

              Have fun with your argument about cheap groceries while the rest of us discuss media distribution plans in the modern world and fair payment for creatives.

              Staggering number of guests on this topic spouting industry-friendly/anti-consumer rhetoric, willfully ignorant of the state of the world and unwilling to accept any kind of value in the current status quo - the power being in the hands of the consumer for the first time fucking ever.

              Sooo... a bunch of friends and family who worked on the film, flooding the comments, I guess?

                I think you may be on to something.

                I've actually been wondering if there is any personal (or otherwise) connection between Giz and the makers / distributors of this film. @kiah @campbellsimpson

          Good on ya. I usually do a bit of torrenting, but in this case there's absolutely no way I'll illegally download your film. All these people thinking they have some kind of right to pirate it because they can't legitimately get their hands on it straight away are morons.

          open a bitcoin account for the movie on your website and ask pirates to pay. a lot of them will

          Good to see producers talking with their customers. Don't hate your customers, you will find those who pirate are your biggest paying customers. Try to setup agreements with gatekeepers to provide access to wider populations on all devices and piracy disappears. But hey what would I know right? Instead of looking to people trying to stay relevant, look to peer industries such as Music and Game Industry. Both Industries where piracy barely exists. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to see why. iTunes, Spotify, Steam etc. Digital distribution that works! Hell we can pre-download our Games and they are only viewable at the exact same time around the work. Brilliant solution.

          I had never heard of the movie before until I saw it on Foxtel. I loved it and am going to purchase a copy as I want to support these filmmakers and also as I'm hoping for a sequel

    What kind of marketing idiot releases a movie for digital download in one market only in this day and age? I'd almost suspect that they are being hung out to dry so they can be used as an example of how much damage piracy does to Australian film production and boost an argument for draconain anti-piracy laws.

      If only there was a way for me to actually pay them money for a drm free copy. 8(. It's not even available legally anywhere here in NZ that I can find even with DRM (which I would only buy to give them money. I'd still download a drm free version to actually watch.)

      UMMMM draconian anti-piracy laws...that is hyperbole. When you pirate a movie you're stealing. Plain and simple. The movie is released if you wanna see it download it on I-Tunes. People spend more hours on films, art, T.V., and media then most people do on any average job. We're talking like 20 hour work days for some movies just to entertain your ungrateful ass for a few hours. People that spend months and years working at in this case low and deferred pay. In this case you aren't pirating a multi-million dollar film you are pirating a film that people made with their time, blood, and sweat. And you sit behind a computer and just take it? Why don't you have the balls to walk into a store and just take everything you need for your life. It's stealing. That's all it is thinking because you have anonymity on your computer makes it any different is just being foolish. You are just trying to justify stealing. (Also the 'Marketing' team for a film isn't in charge of how it is distributed moron.) This is a passion project. Not a blockbuster. But then again stealing from people who can 'afford' to lose it doesn't make it right. If it was totally unavailable then I'm not against pirating, but then if it becomes available after you've originally ripped it, you should 100% buy and support it. Yes people who steal things should be punished, wether your tool is a computer, or a ski mask and a hand-gun.

        Piracy is not stealing. Stealing is not piracy. If they didn't have a pile of movie disks and money to begin with then it cannot be stolen from them, because they never had it to be stolen.

          Piracy IS STEALING and as an Australia film producer I challenge anyone who thinks it is okay to illegally watch a film and not pay for the privilege. TUALMASOK has obviously never heard of intellectual property rights. A film maker takes an idea, puts years of blood sweat and tears into making the film and then hopes to get paid some money paid when it is released. Piracy is about ripping someone off plain and simple and it is hurting our industry and the many thousands of people who literally sweat blood to get films made (and in the case of Wyrmwood while most of you pirates were downloading films for nix they were out in the bush on the weekends busting a gut to make this great film). Support our artists, support our film makers. Go and see the film on the big screen (like I did… TV screens are not the way to watch a decent action film) and buy it on Dvd or download when it comes out.

            This is a well-worn argument that is as false now as it was the day it was first made.

            It's not that I disagree with your points. It definitely rips off the creators. It's definitely immoral. It's definitely illegal. But it isn't theft. You're weakening your own argument by trying to say that it is.

            Violating IP rights is a crime. That crime is violating IP rights. It isn't theft. That's a different crime. Every time you try to pass A off as B, people are unwilling to listen to the (totally reasonable) point that A is wrong. Because all they see is you saying something false. This whole idea is predicated on the fact that one download equals one lost sale and it just isn't the case. That doesn't make it any less illegal or immoral to do. But they aren't the same.

            It's time to re-frame the argument. It's not an object that you have been deprived of. Trying to frame the argument that way garners you and the industry nothing but derision from people who under different wording would agree with you completely.

            I think you need to see a doctor if you're literally sweating blood :(

        Sorry but making a copy of something is not stealing. No one anywhere in the world has ever been charged with stealing for online piracy.

          Very true. Every single time a person in the industry makes out that they understand the law just as well as they understand film making it undermines the efforts of those who are actually doing something concrete about the issue. It's far more than a semantics issue, the argument cuts to the core of what piracy is and what it will continue to be in a market that is way too slow to react to consumer needs.

          The "You wouldn't steal a car" dudes are responsible for this.

        Hard work? Don't do it then. Art is for arts sake not for moneys sake.

          Raphael, Michelangelo... hell, ALL the ninja turtles would disagree.

          The idea that art is tainted by commodification is utter garbage. The Sistine Chapel roof was painted by a guy who was a sculptor and thought paint was a shitty artform for hacks. But he did it for most of his adult life and went blind because he was getting paid a fortune.

        "movie you're stealing" It's not theft, it's not a crime.

        It is: copyright infringement
        It is: cival infringement, only when distribution occurs

      wow .. that's a bit of a conspiracy theory isn't it? No, all our hands were tied on this one unfortunately, the distributers tried really hard to get same day (they are REALLY smart people) but it couldn't happen on Wyrmwood in Aus … things WILL change, I just wish they were changing faster ...

    Why didn't they just release it here first , or at least on Google play. Fuck the cinemas. They should have been locked out. Let them die.
    I'm not going to wait. Why should I, after all its an Australian movie and we get to see it last. Fuck that. If I can't hire the movie from Google play, I'll pirate it and that can be a lesson to these producers and film makers.

      Fucking hell, man, that's a rough lesson for people who have sunk their own money into making what looks like a pretty great film...

        It just seems like a double standard after how Gizmodo got into a righteous fury about the Lego Movie... telling us to give these guys a break for doing similar actions seems confusing.

          Good point Chivo. I think we were all told pretty strongly to pirate Lego Movie and also Big Hero 6 due to the draconian attitudes of studios and distributors and their poor treatment of aussie cinema goers.

          Gizmodo is a broad church, I hold different views to Luke on a whole bunch of topics. It'd be boring otherwise...

          And I think it's relevant that Wyrmwood doesn't have the same backing as The LEGO Movie (which I still haven't seen). This isn't some massive studio losing a couple of zeros on a worldwide hit, this is a couple of guys and their friends who have stuck their necks out.

            If it was released first here, you'd have an argument, it's an Aussi film. Trying to make people feel bad for downloading it just seems a bit tedious, in this age of the internet of everything.

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              Tedious? Come on, man, you can't really be arguing that downloading it from a torrent is justified?

                I treat everyone, and all internet content, with the same contempt. :)

                Of course downloading a film or other artwork is justified. If you want to see the film, and you want to see it the way you want to see it, yes, it's justified. You're not hurting anybody by downloading a film. It's not stealing. Copying is not theft. You have to deprive somebody of their property for it to pass as theft.

                My only issue is that, normally, after I download something, and I want to give the artist money, there's no way to do it. Why do they make it so hard?

                To release a movie like this, without the expectation that people will download it, is just living in denial. Did they really think that they could release a film in a limited release in one country - a film for which they'd deliberately created demand internationally - and not have people download it? How is this not entirely predictable?

                Film studios need to work with their customers to find a way to get them their product in a way that's convenient for them. That's what every single successful business in the world does.

                  lol what? Taking something without paying is not stealing?


                  He's taken nothing. He's made a copy. That is not stealing. It may be copyright infringement however.

                  Hmmm … I'm not sure if I agree with you that downloading a film (which IS illegal) is not theft, mate -

                Yep. As long as you buy it later. What's the physical, practical, dollars and cents difference? If anything, it helps generate buzz.

                  Really how many of you actually buy the content when it releases, when you have watched a ripped copy? You just move on to the next big rip.

                  Your unable to fill your void by watching content that has already been released and your excuse that its not fair i want it now, like you have just spat out your dummy. Yeah its also not fair on these guys to go out of their way and produce content and not be paid or recognized. Essentially your telling these guys to go fuck themselves and stop making films.

                  And essentially you're just putting words in my mouth and calling me a liar, cowardly guest, because you don't believe that someone can have different motivations and principles to you, which includes buying things after pirating them.

                  Just because something is alien to your experience doesn't mean people don't do it. Steam and iTunes have proven for years that piracy isn't just about people getting shit for free. It's about correcting a market imbalance - an imbalance of price, quality, availability, localization, whatever. The Internet is a giant flood, and if you try to fight it you'll break, but if you work with it, you can channel it. A little will always slip over the top, and that's just inevitability you can't fight. Those people aren't the ones you can deal with, but they're not the majority you think they are.

                  Just because you're too ignorant to conceive of people doing things for different reasons than you do, and ignore all the statistics, doesn't make your warped interpretation on other peoples' behaviour a reality.

                  Also amusing, even if that was the case, that everyone who said they were going to buy when available were liars (which they're not, you ignorant twat), your accusation makes no sense whatsoever. Anyone who pirates isn't telling these guys to fuck themselves and stop making films, they're telling them to stop releasing in other countries by months' difference. That's like complaining that telling someone not to charge ten bucks a bottle of water is telling them not to sell water at all. I don't think anyone who pirates a movie because of a release date is telling people to get out of the game, they're telling them to lift their fucking game to not be so shit.

                I call bullshit. They chose the distribution model, they can reap the reward. Windowing creates monopoly and monopolies are illegal so how can they justify criminal behaviour.

                Ethical business decision would be to release the product into the market with ample competition. They would then gain maximum exposure, publicity & profit by volume.

                  Hello, I am the filmmaker - what do you mean??? It's very simple sir, if I do a job of work I should get paid for it. simple as that. I'm not sure what job you do but I'm sure you get a weekly pay-packet. I am film salesman … I make and sell films and you seem to think it's okay to take as many of my 'film-packs' out of my little 'film delivery ba' as you want? Why is that? Have you seen the film by the way? Did you like it?

                I havent downloaded the movie and will buy it today if I could on whatever system they want. They just need to act fast to fix the stem of downloads.
                Maybe release it on stan or netflix asap?

                  Put a comment on the torrent page. "Hey, we made this movie and we only get paid if people buy it. If you downloaded it and liked it, throw us some change [link to donation site]"

            True on all points. Hopefully this is good viewing and does well for those people who did stick their necks out but the distribution model seems a bit off.

            Sometimes I feel like Aussies are not willing to pay for local content as we have suffered years of horrible locally made productions that are just terrible. There is a stigma surrounding local movies these days whether we like it or not. Most people hear "aussie movie" and assume it will be some arthouse tosh, crap comedy or another dodgy horror film and are not really willing to hand over the bucks for it.

              For a Aussie horror movie minus the dodgy, you gotta watch Undead:

              Well.. Most of the dodgy...

                Undead is a classic, but a little heavy on the Aussie humour (dodginess!).

                Wrmwood is many a echelon below Undead. Many.

            Wait, you haven't seen The LEGO Movie?

            Personally I don't feel the budget for the lego movie being greater than this film changes a thing. You can argue that film needs to recoup more to turn a profit.

            I don't really support piracy, and I won't be downloading this film, but I'm really not sure it's any different to any other release. For me the film being Australian is irrelevant, if it's good I'll watch it on it's cinematic merits, not because it was local and thus deserves a different level of critique to anything made internationally.

            For what it's worth, a work colleague saw this in Canberra on Friday night at the cinema and had pretty positive things to say about it, so once it's out maybe I'll check it out. I do think it's a dumb move not offering it for digital sale day one though. The cinema screenings were extremely limited and at least here looked to have been sold out well before screening time. I suspect they would barely have impacted ticket sales by releasing the digital copy at the same time, since they only needed a couple of hundred people per each of the 85 cinemas situated around the country in order to keep those sessions viable.

            They've created a scenario where people had interest in seeing the film but couldn't due to limited sessions, so it's no real surprise that people turned to downloads, especially when other markets had access to digital copies already. Frankly, if The Interview showed us anything its that if you can't do a conventional release, get the movie out while the hype is high in a format thats still going to bring in revenue.

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          did they though?

          They definitely maligned the late release, applauded the fact it was heavily produced in Australia at Sydney's Animal Logic Studio.. and discussed at length at how much of a 'piracy bait' it was,
          They complained when the Attorney General got an advanced free screening while maligning piracy.

          but I can't find a single 'double standard' in any of the articles tagged with "the lego movie"

          Their stance has always seemed to be one of accessing delayed TV shows or Films through legal grey areas like VPN's and making sure the content producers are getting paid.

        I want to give them money but if they are going to make it hard, well that's not my fault

          Totally fair point. But that probably doesn't justify pirating it, though?

            I don't think it's about justifying piracy.

            It's about not supporting a stupid, broken business model.

            I'm no app developer or movie producer but I highly doubt that releasing something on US iTunes is much different than releasing it on Global iTunes. Perhaps slightly different fees?

            Then, we'd be here complaining about how it's only on iTunes not how it's only available in the US, but at least it's a step forward and not actively locking out a market, and then complaining when that market "finds a way".

              It's about not supporting a stupid, broken business model.
              That's fine, as long as you don't then decide to download the movie and not pay. Just don't watch it. But wait, that's not how it works is it...

                If I as an individual choose to download it, or not download it, that really makes no difference. For one thing, whether I download it or not, the film studio gets the same amount of money. And even if I don't download it, I can't stop thousands of people downloading it.

                  If you choose not to support their business model, then don't do a double cross and then go and watch the product without opening your wallet. As much as I'd like to jump upon the "They are local and they worked hard" bandwagon, it's not just about that. It's the fact that you are watching their production, without paying them. It should be the same for any movie, AAA or Indie. Don't support the business model? Don't watch it.

            Monopolies are illegal so how can they justify creating one? Windowing will only be met with further disdain in the future. Quite literally the very definition of the incumbent.

            Innovation needs to occur at all levels of business not just the product or risk losing business. Entertainment industry may be incredibly insular, but it's certainly not except.

            Last edited 17/02/15 10:30 am

              I really hate how McDonalds has a monopoly on Big Macs.

                They also have a monopoly on big mac monopoly.

            Yes, I think it does. If it is not available here for what ever reason, if they are smart, they will be happy that more people are viewing their work than would be if everyone waited to pay.

            How is it hurting them if they get paid nothing regardless if I download it illegally or not?

              Hey Red Cabndle, you can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)



          So torrent it now then pay them for a legal copy later.

          They're not actually making it hard for you to pay them.

          Personally, I avoid zombie movies - thought they jumped the shark years ago.

            Shuffled over the shark. And then ate it.

            If I watch the film now and it doesn't get released for another 6 months, I'll forget all about it and they still won't get my money.

              well why not buy it then? You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)


            Is it the customer's job to set a reminder and accommodate the business? Isn't a business supposed to accommodate its clients?

            Which is nice in theory, but once the films released something else will be around the corner to spend money on. I'm guessing most people who originally pirated the film aren't going to for out for a legit copy months later unless they really loved the film the first time around. Probably best in my eyes to make the film available for purchase (or have a non limited cinema run) from the get go to get those people willing to pay day one who likely won't come back with their wallets if they've then decided to acquire the film through other means.

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          It's pretty easy actually Pepee - You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)


        They aren't the first people to make a movie... even on a shoe string budget. Australian's don't want to be treated like second class citizens on the world film stage. Why defend actions like this?

        I actually had this exact conversation with the director of "Crawlspace" (another Aussie niece movie filmed in Sydney). The basic answer was "Australia is a very small market and it's not worth premiering here".
        They just don't bother. As for digital releases... There really is no excuse. It's lazy more than anything else.

        Considering they dropped $840,000 on post-production and "marketing" you would have though that would buy more than a single itunes release in one region.

        I'll support local cinema when it acts local...
        Oh and I'm not sure what that marketing budget went to because this is the first I'm hearing about it. Obviously that's subjective but there's so many forms of advertising these days that it seems absurd not to be able to reach your target audience (of which I am a part of).

        Seriously though, you do a one night showing in Australia in Cinema's on Friday the 13th, everyone goes home and tells their friends how good it was, and there is no way to legally get ahold of it, where do you expect that hype to go? Why are Australian movies treated so damn poorly at Australian cinema's?

        Yeah, I feel for the creators getting completely hosed by their distribution deal.

        The fact is that enforcement doesn't hold the power in this part of the industry. The consumer does.

        People pay money for good things, at a fair price, with reasonable availability. Steam and itunes have been proving this for a while now.
        The problem for distributors and publishers is that 'fair' doesn't mean the bullshit deal that they used to be able to force it to mean, but they bought their own hype so badly that they don't realize that. And while they can try to lobby governments to keep progress from forcing them to change, they simply don't have that power anymore. Government doesn't either. They should maybe play nice instead of strutting around behaving like they're still in that world they fondly remember - a world before people had the power to thump the bejeezus out of the bully.

        Business (and life) is full of rough lessons. These guys don't deserve to be protected just because they're in the creative arts, or just because they're Australian. There's no reason why they couldn't have predicted this and taken steps to deal with it beforehand.

          Wow, that's so harsh … are you a feature filmmaker? Know the business much? Do you know how 'not' in charge the filmmakers are in regards to release strategy? One thing I DO know is how hard we worked on this baby and how proud I am of the results and at the end of the day the decision to pay me for my efforts rests with YOU … not me. I hope you change your mind about this mate, this isn't about 'rough lessons' it's about paying decent people for a job of work ...

            My housemate downloaded it a couple of days ago. I watched and find it great. Great story line, the end is fantastic! Some good humor too. I reckon that those Australian who want to see more ozie made movies should buy it online or go to the cinema. Good job kiah. This will become a reference in zombie movies . No doubt.

            We don't know the business much but we know a bum deal when we see one. Why was your distributor in such a rush? I'd be wondering why there was such a sloppy local theatrical release followed by the rush to get things on iTunes overseas.

            I don't have to be a filmmaker mate. But you do have to wrap your head around business if you want to be in the arts.

            I am saddened by the state of the Aus film industry, and I didn't pirate the movie but what I'm pushing back against more than anything is your (and Giz's) attitude about the situation.

            Nobody forced you to take this deal. If it was a choice between taking the risk and not making the film, it was you who made the decision to take the risk.

            I've worked in the arts extensively, and one thing that makes me shake my head is the way so many artists complain, "Oh but the business side of things is too hard", "I just want to make my art and not worry about anything else" and, "I'm more of a creative".

            Film and business have been inextricably linked for at least the last century. Piracy, not even internet piracy is a "new" concept any more. I'm not saying it's right, but if you didn't calculate the cost of it into your business plan then you need to hire people who can advise you.

            Don't blame Johnny Suburbia simply because he wants to see your movie and has no other way to see it; if you do, you'll just alienate your fans. You could blame the distro companies, but frankly you're the one who signed the deal with the devil in the first place. Yes, there are other ways to make money to do a film, and that's the one you chose.

            If you dig a ditch for the council, then you get paid because that ditch needed digging, and the person who's paying you told you to dig it in advance. If you're in the arts, you have to invest your time and effort and hope that people like it enough to want it. There's no way around it. No, you do not automatically deserve money simply because you made the effort; people have to be willing to come and see it.

            No, I don't think anybody is justified in pirating it for any reason. But right now, you sound to me like the goat who submitted his CV to work in the raptor cage at Jurassic Park, calling up HR in tears as he's about to get eaten.

            I genuinely hope your film does really well, that you all make money, and that it will provide you the exposure you need so that you don't have to sign a deferred deal next time. But you need to get over the illusion that you seem to have that somehow your work should hold a special exemption from the normal laws of business.

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      Look, if you want to pirate it then do it. But the point of this story was that it's a low budget movie that is deferred. Which means no one on the film have been paid. and any payment they get are dependent on the price to buy, see the movie. So your view that you have expressed will stop them from getting any money from the copy that you have illegally acquired.

      They all have families that they have to support.

        As much as I agree with this point of view, I don't think that the reason they made an indie movie with a deferred payment system is reason enough to give them money.

        I'm not inclined to give someone money simply because they took a risk and invested in a particular project/business. The product has to be something I actually want to spend money on.

        I'm not defending piracy here, I'm just saying that their circumstance alone isn't enough to give them money.

        We all have families, I don't expect people to use my business over any other just because I'm doing it tough.
        I'm not sure if I got my point across clearly, I hope that makes sense. It's essentially an argument against piracy in general... not specifically for these guys because they chose to defer payment.

          I understand your point. But what I have taken away from this is that if this film is pirated and not bought through the proper channels, we can kiss goodbye to these small films that a lot of the time are better than the crap hollywood pumps out.

          I don't think anyone is telling you to buy it just because it is an Aussie film. We make shit films too. They are saying that, if you want to see more indie films like this made here, then be patient (ohh my god, April is totes heaps long to wait) and pay for it.

          Its not about 'people must' watch our movie we need to make our money back. It's about 'if you watch the film' please at least pay for it.

          What I don't get is people sit back and say nah that's not my cup of tea I won't spend my money on that. Then they go and download it anyway.

          You say you don't expect people to use your business, but I bet you'd be pissed if they choose not to then rocked up and took it anyway.

          Nothing justifies theft.

            Theft is the act of controlling property of another with the intent to deprive him of it. You can't deprive somebody of property just by copying it. That's really not theft.

              He's talking about time theft. It takes you 2 hours to consume thousands of hours from someone else's life. Here you get the luck to chat with a real movie maker. He's been explainong you that he doesn't control the realease process. He's just politelly asking to pay if u like the movie. This is a civil courtesy mate. When you see an awesome street performance that u enjoy that much it makes ur day, do u give the performer 5cents? 5 dollars? A smile? Or a little bird like u just did..

          They are just saying, if you watch it, pay for it. So if you torrent it now, and actually watch it, pay for it when it is released, so they can get paid for providing the entertainment that you consumed. That seems quite reasonable to me.
          They may have been locked out of having an Australian itunes release immediately for all kinds of reasons, no need to punish them.

            Punish them for using iTunes then and not realeasing on a more widely available distribution medium.

          Look, if somebody makes something with their own hands … and you TAKE it. You should pay them something … it's that simple. Since when did the right to steal become an inalienable right?

            My comments here are more directed at the tone of the article than anything to do with your movie.
            Marketing and distribution issues aside, I was more annoyed that the article was trying to be high and mighty about how it's an Australian film, and how it's a deferred payment model while on the other hand having it be difficult to obtain legally.

            I didn't articulate my thoughts very well but my point was that it makes no difference if it's big budget or shoestring budget, Aussie or Hollywood. The issues you face might be different than other film makers, but from a consumer point of view it makes no difference.
            The article is trying to make us feel sorry for you and guilt us into paying. I'm sure that's not what you're after but that's what the author seems to be saying.
            If this were a simple promotional article "hey check out this cool aussie film" then we wouldn't have any of this piracy discussion going on.

            The two main points here are: Promote the movie and make it available. Before this article I hadn't heard of your movie... and I don't think an article like this is doing you any favors either. Now that I've heard of it, I'll look into it. In fact I saw your JB HiFi link below and because you took the time to read the comments and reply, I'll buy it.

            As a side note, since you're here. Could you explain what goes into promoting a movie, releasing it world wide vs US only, marketing etc....
            Can you shed some light on why this is a US only release (initially) and why only iTunes?
            I feel like some more visibility here could make a huge difference.

          I'm not asking for your money Inquisitorsz, if you don't want to buy my film you don't have to buy my film.

          I'm not even asking you to 'not' pirate my film. All I'm asking is that if you do pirate it and you like it … then buy it.

          Does that not sound reasonable?

        You are awesome.


        the filmmaker.

        It's a harsh thing to say but doesn't that just mean they are bad business managers who rely upon others to bail them out when things go wrong? Isn't this an exploitive business practice to not pay people unless they break even?

        Which other industries put up with that? If somebody owned a factory and only had enough funds to pay for the raw material then couldn't afford to pay their staff or to distribute their products, it's the manager's fault everything goes bankrupt.
        If a restaurant is not successful, is it fair if staff aren't paid until they get out of their hole and only if they get out of the hole created by management?

        It's just not a stable and safe business model.

      just buy the film afterwards... if it is any good... looks good.

      If you had any interest, you could have seen it at the cinema. You had your chance, you didn't bother and you absolutely cannot now use the excuse that it's available in the US but not here. I imagine the limited release is all about trying to make the most of very limited marketing dollars. The film's producers simply don't have the clout to get a release schedule that suits them, so if some clueless, selfish fuckwit like yourself decides to give the US distributor a big "fuck you", you aren't hurting them in the slightest, only the people who did all this work for no money. That makes you a bigger arsehole than anyone I know (and i work in TV so I know a LOT of Grade A arseholes).

        I didn't hear about this movie until today. I missed the cinema screenings and now my only option is iTunes? I hate iTunes....

          You like JB HiFi?

        The closest cinema playing this movie was over 800km away from me. But even then i hadn't heard about this movie until I saw this article.

        Sorry, but I'm not spending $690 on return flights from Karratha to the nearest capital playing Wyrmwood, just to watch it. So, yes, I can use that very excuse.

      And when the last filmmaker runs out of money, you can stand atop the heap and proudly proclaim that you did it your way, tough guy! #thievesexcuses

        Who is the one making excuses here? The people who want to see the film? Or the people who made it really difficult to get the film and pay for it?

        Filmmakers won't run out of money. What they will do, is find better ways to deliver content to their audiences and be properly compensated. That is what the makers of this film have not done, and blaming their potential customers for that is just ignoring the real issue.

          You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)


      Hi Pepee63, My name is Kiah - I directed the film. When you sign up to a distribution you sign up to participate in a distribution process that is fraught with politics. These are BIG companies and it takes time to change these processes. The filmmakers have little to no say in how their film is distributed, mate. Even the distributers hands are tied by what's called a 'window' (or a period of time demanded by the cinemas to pass before we release on DVD or VOD). We were REQUIRED to release theatrically otherwise funding bodies to done recognise the film as a legitimate FILM. Everybody knows these laws and rules must change - it's just very slow-coming and we are one of the small films that suffer from a VERY slow-turning industry. Please don't punish us (the actors and filmmakers) for something we had nothing to do with. Pirate it if you must - but if you LIKE the film please repay a little bit for all the handwork, sweat and tears (and years) that went into this thing … and buy a DVD.

        I'm going to level with you Kiah, I have not pirated your movie. What I DID do yesterday was go "Oh look! That sounds cool", opened Xbox Video straight away (not an iTunes kind of guy) and saw it was not available. Re-read that article, saw it was US only. So I booked a ticket for Kingsmen and will probably not think of this film after it disappears from Gizmodo. It is nothing against you personally. It is just how consumers are.

          Thanks for not pirating buddy! And I'll be honest? If my film's trailer isn't good enough for you to keep the Wyrmwood concept in your head for a month or two? I either didn't do my job properly or this film ain't for you … I've looked forward to films for YEARS before (but that's just how I consume I guess). I'm all for same day, multi platform but we couldn't make it happen on this one and for some reason we're getting our arse handed to us for that … quite frankly for a low budget Aussie film to even make it's way into a Gizmodo article is pretty bloody amazing so I guess in a way we're winning:)

            Bro, the teaser you released when you were looking for post production funding has had me on the edge of my seat waiting for this bad boy. I'll be buying the DVD, the extended edition, the final directors cut and the 25th anniversary digital remaster.

            What all the pirates haven't addresed yet is the fact that when studios see falling profits, their willingness to take risks on original ideas dries up dramatically.
            So pirate all you like, just don't complain when all there is being released is another American Pie movie and Spiderman 8.

        I'm happy to wait and looking forward to its Aussy release do you have pre orders for blu ray??
        I wouldn't worry to much people are lazy hiding behind excuses to justify there selfishness there's no reasoning with that.

          I think you'll find you're asking people who rail against an aging, failing distribution model to make an exception, and many are not willing to make it. Sure piraters will always pirate, but to call everyone else lazy? You're asking them to feed the machine they oppose.

            True i still believe most pirating is due to laziness and for no other reason then because it's easy and a faceless crime. Let's just imagine a world where you couldn't just download a movie I really doubt these people would go in store and take a movie using the same reasoning would they? Two different situations resulting in the same outcome but one takes effort and risk, so given that is this the right way to go about things

              All I know from my personal experience is over the last few years over half of my friends/family have stopped pirating and their primary concern is availability. And it seems to be very similar with all of us, if its available we will buy/rent/stream. Otherwise it fades into obscurity. The only contention any of us have is Game of Thrones but that's primarily due to every man and his dog doing Facebook spoilers!

              But that being said some of them I just cannot talk off pirating. They're actually proud of how well they have tagged their collections *facepalm*.

          You are awesome!

          You can pre-order it at JB HiFi or buy it on US iTunes (I believe if you get an iTunes gift card you can access it through US iTunes from anywhere in the world)


        Give me a PayPal account and I'll pay you for it directly, then torrent it.

        So The Mule, another Aussie indie, can go straight to iTunes in Australia and forego entirely a cinematic release, but because of your distro deal you can't? Correct? Or did you want to be shown in Australian cinemas, and be on US iTunes, but not be available on iTunes here??

          Nah, neither. We needed government funding to finish the film. Funding bodies don't recognise a film for funding unless they have limited cinema release. Classic catch 22 situation ...

        To add to this... is buying a DVD really going to help support the actors and film makers or just the big distribution companies?
        I'm more than happy to support the content creators... not so thrilled about some big publisher ripping you off and forcing a terrible business model onto you simply because you have no other choice.

          It's a VERY good question. The simple answer is: every little bit helps. We get a small share in profit and all key cast and crew have a profit share in this baby ...

      You make it sound like the people that made it decided how it would be released. Ever consider that the distribution companies decide how far and wide the release is and the movie makers are at their mercy? Do some research on the movie making pipeline, from making it to sitting your arse in a cinema and watching it - then tell me that you're happy to pirate it. Fact is the only lesson your pirating teaches the producers and film makers is not to bother trying...meanwhile the distribution companies just find other babes in the woods to fleece by promising wide circulation and delivering nothing.

        And yet?

    Big supporter of locally made content and happy to pay for it......problem is, majority of locally made content is so fucking shit that there is no way in hell anyone in their right mind should or would pay for it other than the directors aunty and mum.

    Having said that...I hope this is good and if I hear good things about it I would be happy to purchase. Good luck to them....sounds like they need it.

      I saw the trailer in the movies - looks pretty good :D Shame that it's not available here yet :(

    "$160,000 budget — but after marketing and post-production expenses, has cost around $1 million to create."

    So, heres the marketing plan. . .

    Release trailer, get everyone around the world hyped for release.
    Release in only one country via digital download.
    Wonder why the rest of the world pirates.

    Yeah, I wouldn't be paying those marketing people.

      hmmm what did they spend $840,000.00 dollars on in post and marketing?

        That's because those people won't do it for free. They want their money up front.

          Its an Australian movie so probs 800K of it went to beers.

        No, that includes all crew, actor deferrals etc …have you ever been involved in post production? It's pretty extensive for a feature film brother ...

          sounds like the beer is talking. put the bottle down mate! ;)

      They are at the mercy of the distribution companies and their (stupid) plans. They would have had zero say in how this would have been released.

        All the more reason to not support that business model... At least if you self publish (be it music, game, film or literature) you're risking much less than $1mil

          Yeah, because you waste a whole year of your life and earn nothing for it. How many of us can afford to do that? So you fuck them over on some totally bullshit principle and the only result is that these kinds of films stop being made. The distributor doesn't care because he's making all his money on the blockbusters and was just doing this because he has some vague notion of being into indy cinema, so the only people who end up being affected are the poor saps who trusted you to do the right thing and you because you won't get any more of this kind of thing. Anyone reading your comment would come to the conclusion that you are a much bigger prick than the distributor.

            Poor saps need a new distributor/distribution method. Read what people are saying here. Everyone wants to support the film maker, but not the outdated distribution method and business

              I agree … but who are you calling a sap?!

      I wish it were that simple war croft - please read my reply to pepee above and you'll understand a bit better ...

      Haha warcroft you clearly know dick all about this topic. Do some research into post production and associated costs before spraying.

      what marketing people? We're two brothers operating in a room off our kitchen? The distributers and cinema chains decide these things mate, based on a model that is VERY difficult to change - it IS changing, just not fast enough … we ALL know the solution it's just getting the industry to do same day, multi-platform is literally impossible at the moment ...

    Movies like this should set up a 'donations/payment' system.
    Eg: I pirate the movie, watch it and think "That was great! Id like to give them my money."
    Go to website and pay.

    I mean, I cant legally download it yet and by the time I can I would have moved on and forgotten all about paying for it.
    Have to get the viewer while they're still pumped from the movie.

      I like that idea. You'd think small movie production places would do exactly that. I'll pay if I think the movie deserves it.

        You are an epic piece of shit, mate. We don't come into KFC and tell you the chicken was shit, so we're not paying for it. Where the hell did you get so self-entitled?!

          It's not about being self-entitled. It's just a matter of the reality of the situation. People are going to download movies - that's the reality. It's the choice of the distribution companies whether they want to accept money from people who liked it, or ignore the fact that there may be hundreds of thousands of people ready to shove money into their coffers.

          You go to a restaurant and eat the food before you pay the bill.


            I think this is another good example.

            But you pay the bill. If you didn't it would be theft.

              True. Anyway, this problem wouldn't of existed if they released it in Australia via the net first. Do the cinema thing after Australia gets to see it first. It was made here and it should be seen here first.

                How old are you pepee63? You have to be a petulant little child posting all this myopic crap. Your inflated sense of entitlement surprises and depresses the hell out of me.