I Can't Even With The Australian TV Industry Anymore

That's it. I've had it. Whoever is making programming decisions in Australia's TV industry needs a swift kicking. I'm not sure how many times I've had to say it, but clearly it bears repeating: if you keep popular, viral international shows away from Australian audiences, they will pirate it. Today's lesson: FOX8 and a new show called Jane The Virgin.

Now I understand that Jane The Virgin doesn't exactly speak to Gizmodo's target demographic, and that's ok. Whatever floats your boat. This particular show looks to float mine based on what I'm hearing about it. It's based on a Venezuelan telenovela and looks like a whole bunch of fun.

I also understand that it's not exactly a mass-market epic that everyone is going to beg, borrow and steal to watch like your Game Of Thrones, The Walking Dead or Homeland. It's a mid-level comedy on the CW Network in the US that's designed for an audience who wants something to pass the time with when The Mindy Project isn't on.

Regardless, it's getting buzz on social media, and that usually attracts new viewers like a curious moth to a brightly-lit television screen. Australians are especially attracted to what's hot in American popular culture, meaning more and more locals will be checking out this show as time goes on. A cursory glance at a television guide, however, will tell them that Jane The Virgin won't air on FOX8 until December.

That's right: the hot new CW show that people flocked to when it premiered last week is being delayed in Australia by two months.

Sigh.

So what are Aussies going to do about getting access to a show FOX8 doesn't want them to see yet? Pirate it, of course.

It's the wrong thing to do and not being able to get access to a show is no justification for piracy, but that never stopped anyone during the last season of any show that was ever delayed in Australia before.

We've said it time after time. Fix your shit, Australian TV industry, or those subscriber numbers will keep on falling.

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    Cancelled our Foxtel two weeks ago, the person got abusive with us and they ended up hanging up on us.

    Pretty poor after eight years of service on their platinum + HD package.

      My father hasn't lived in Australia in 6 years and he's still paying for his foxtel every month cause he couldn't get them to end his service.

        That is so ridiculous I'm actually inclined to believe it.

      It's no defence but they will blame the rep for losing you as a Customer, so he's pissed off that they are forcing you to leave and that he's going to be raked over the coals for it.

        Trust me, she is getting raked over the coals for being abusive.

        Call centre jobs are some of the most stressful around, with the most strict KPI's, all computer monitored. From my experience I'd say about 90% of the people I've worked with in call centres have eventually cracked it. Usually at deserving customers being arseholes, but quite a few also at people who didn't deserve it just because they couldn't handle the stress anymore.

      sounds about right considering what i have put up with from foxtel customer service over the years. and they wonder why people dont like them.....

    Even better idea.
    Quit watching the brain numbing shit they keep putting out as "entertainment", break the addiction to TV in general and live a much happier, saner life.

      So what alternative do you recommend? I'm assuming it will be a one size fits all solution.

        There is this really cool new game, its called Life Outside The House.

        Its summer, go play beach volleyball with scantily clad women or men, we don't judge.

        Last edited 21/10/14 8:51 am

          blech, 'life outside the house' is so overhyped. I didn't go into software design because I like the sun and/or other people.

            Pretty sure you didnt get into software design to sit inside all day watching mind numbing TV either :/

          Hehehehe. Saw your post and was reminded of this old CAD comic from back in the day.

          http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20030712

          But don't I need legs of steel and rock hard abs? Otherwise, how am I meant to be out there slammin it with 20 somethings?

          It is still technically Spring, but the same still stands.

            It's 31 degrees in Melbourne today, and beach volleyball comp started a few weeks ago, so close enough.

        Really? You honestly can't think of an alternative to TV?

      I already don't watch TV for the most part, apart from a few select shows and some sports.

      But this kind of thing really needs to stop.

      Stop reading books. Stop reading magazines. Stop going to art galleries and museums. Stop listening to music. Stop watching films. Stop writing words. Stop thinking. Go live in a monastery and meditate all day, freed from the shackles of art and subjectivity.

        I don't care how good you make it sound, I ain't joining the Liberal party!

      The additiction is long broken. Between movies and TV on demand, games and the almost unlimited time killing power of the internet TV just doesn't have the strangle hold on entertainment it once did. You can tell just by looking at the quality and quantity of advertising.
      They screwed up 14 years ago by switching to reality TV. When they needed to try hardest to keep people watching and stay relevant they turned almost everyone away in the interest of cheap to produce TV. Now even reality TV fans only tune in to stay up to speed with Facebook. That leaves the entire empire hanging on sports.

      I used to watch mountains of TV. Now they've got nothing in syndication that I didn't watch to death in the late 90's and release maybe a dozen watchable shows spread over an entire year (and most of them are missable). I don't want TV I just put up with it because they won't release the few decent shows that manage to get made straight to DVD.

      Hey I don't know if you will be able to hear me up there on your high horse but

      DON'T EVER ASSUME YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW TO RELAX AND ENJOY MYSELF

      I walk 30 min every morning from 5.30 till 6am and yes its wet and dark in winter thank goodness for rain coats, Then i prepare breakfast for my family, go to work, 3/5 days I pick up my kids, get home and play with them in the backyard for as long as I can until I need to cook dinner, then my wife gets home, we eat, bath the kids and put them to bed. Then its prepare lunch's for the next day clean the kitchen and a general tidy.
      its usually 9 pm by then

      So at the end of the day if i want to switch off and just be entertained whats wrong with watching a television show or two?

      I don't always watch television some times I will read a book ( I average one a fortnight)

      Oh and one more thing, once upon a time we sat around and sang each other songs and told each other stories, Guess what Guy the world doesn't work that way anymore so I just see television as the modern version of story telling and therefore and ongoing part of our cultural heritage.

      I await your reply.

        I think your sense of outrage isn't appropriate to the original comment. Of course, feel free to respond with:
        DON'T EVER ASSUME YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW TO VENT

        Last edited 21/10/14 4:21 pm

          you are allowed to respond as you like, AS AM I
          sick to death of crunts giving me their unsolicited opinions

            The irony.

              glad you picked up on it

                Despite it being applicable to many, I was referring to your original comment, if you failed to notice that subtlety.

                  FAAAARRRRRK how dumb do you think I am.
                  Even though you replied to the wrong spot (huh) I was smart enough to work it out.

                  Hey dumb ass let me spell it out for you i will use little words too.

                  It was a (I admit a poor attempt at) parody you know one of the uses of parody can be a comment created to trivialize an original work.
                  Did you really think someone who lived the lifestyle as described would frequent such a website?!?

                  I deal with idiots all day (include yourself now)
                  I lighten my day by trolling (you may need to look that one up)
                  I use the internet as a tool for entertainment (entertainment means having fun)
                  The fact you keep replying has provided me with today's fun

                  you = dumbass
                  me = not dumbass

                  Replying to an earlier post due to Gizmodo's threading (wrong post though):
                  @claytopia

                  Well, at least you got the "mind numbing" part right, even if "parody" isn't your strong suit.

                  And for the record, my comment regarding irony was correctly placed.

                  Last edited 30/10/14 6:09 pm

                  you know why I am replying here.

                  Chompers your counter points carry about as much weight as John Cleese in Monty Pythons Argument clinic sketch.

                  With that said let me counter in kind re your irony comment.

                  No it wasn't....

                  Also the fact that you have to edit your reply's only goes to show how awesome you are
                  hang on I'll do it for you.

                  No it doesn't....

                  Chompers you are great fun.

                Replying to an earlier post due to Gizmodo's threading:
                @claytopia
                Your "attempt at parody" contains nothing that would indicate 'parody' in any reasonable sense, neither did any of your responses. Was it really necessary to start insulting others over it?

                Last edited 29/10/14 4:59 pm

                  OK lets step by step it for you shall I. (gosh I am enjoying this more than I should)

                  The original comment was
                  Even better idea.
                  Quit watching the brain numbing shit they keep putting out as "entertainment", break the addiction to TV in general and live a much happier, saner life.

                  See the bits I've underlined, OK. Here is the parody...
                  I walk 30 min every morning from 5.30 till 6am and yes its wet and dark in winter thank goodness for rain coats, Then i prepare breakfast for my family, go to work, 3/5 days I pick up my kids, get home and play with them in the backyard for as long as I can until I need to cook dinner, then my wife gets home, we eat, bath the kids and put them to bed. Then its prepare lunch's for the next day clean the kitchen and a general tidy.

                  If that's not a mind numbing parody of a happier saner life, than what the heck is?!?

                  I mean even jjcf almost got it with the comment "This is the definition of 'cool story, bro'. Tell us more about your totally interesting life"

                  Then you tried to pass of your Irony comment as referring to an earlier comment when anyone can see you got it wrong did you notice the (huh) I wonder what that was put there for hmmm. Now here's the kicker when called on it and tried to recover and say it was referring to an earlier comment, maybe you can explain why you chose to reply to wrong comment, Don't tell me let me guess your own attempt at irony, When it only highlight how truly great you are at this sort of thing. (that's sarcasm bud)

                  Sorry about calling you names, post your address and I'll post you some tissues

                  Oh and please keep feeding the troll, I will reply to all of your comments until I no longer find it fun.

        This is the definition of 'cool story, bro'. Tell us more about your totally interesting life.

        Last edited 21/10/14 4:44 pm

    Normal TV will be dead within one generation... God willing, sooner.

      What do you mean, within a generation? FTA TV is already dead.

        To us sure....
        But I still had to put a new antenna on my parent's roof on Saturday, even though I've been telling them to swap to Netflix et all for ages.

        It's not dead though. My parents still watch it. Maybe the last two people?

        Last edited 22/10/14 1:18 pm

    It's all to do with the archaic "rating season" method of distribution. It's the exact same thing that caused the uproar about the lego movie. That was delayed in Australia to release during school holidays, because they figured that's when they'd get the highest patronage. Never mind that that resulted in the movie being delayed here for something like 4 months.

    This is the exact same reasoning. They are delaying it to coincide with our rating season. December is typically when this type of "filler show" is aired in Australia, when the major shows are between seasons.

    It's a dumb and archaic model, that for some reason they continue sticking to. But I guess Foxtel should be used to using dumb and archaic models by now.

      And proving nothing has been learnt, they are delaying the next big Disney movie. Big Hero 6 by a month and a half to release it on Dec 25th here.

        Motherffffff.... Right.

        I don't often yo-ho just for the principle of it, but I wanna find out which obscure, no-name torrent site they're basing their statistics off so I can ping it to register a protest vote.

        That's how we vote these days, right? It's the only thing they seem to take notice of, anyway...

    I'm waiting for HBO to start their web only subscription package (http://gizmodo.com/yes-hbo-without-a-cable-subscription-is-coming-next-ye-1646609001). If Foxtel is complaining about Australian's accessing Netflix via VPN, wait until HBO starts.

      Netflix hbo and nba tv all collectively with the price of unlimited data on a vpn qould be cheaper and have better coverage than anything foxtel can even wish they could do

    Actually, downloading it is perfectly fine:
    By the decision to not deliver this show to Australia on time, it has thus been declared that Australia is not a target market for this program, and any program that falls under this category makes it free game.

    you know whats really shit me, FOX 8 now runs duck dynasty and storage wars every single week night instead of leaving that shit on A&E

      If their going to show filler shows why not something FOX 8 would normally show anyway? The increase in ads over the last five years is bad enough.

      So much for "Arts" & "Entertainment"

    Two months for a brand new, unproven show with limited demographics?

    The dastards!

      Think I have to agree here, you cant really expect every show that is aired on US TV to make it onto Australian screens, shows need to be market tested first.

      Unproven? If they were concerned about that why did they buy it anyway?

    Foxtel has said this show would premiere in December but be fast tracked over the summer to allow for an uninterrupted season (unlike in the US where new episodes don't always air each week). Last season FOX8 aired most of its premiere titles soon after the US premiere, but most of these were axed in the US. I remember when Gossip Girl would air on FOX8 weeks behind the US premiere in late November, but we would catch up within days for the finale.

    It should also be noted that Channel Ten recently scaled back its exclusive output deal with CBS Studios. Ten picked up Scorpion and NCIS: New Orleans, but passed on Jane the Virgin, Penny Dreadful and The Messengers to Foxtel.

    So lets not put all the blame on Foxtel as FTA networks usually pass on shows which show an ethnic flavour... too costly to air on a multi network too. Ten passed on another Latin American themed show Cristela and Asian American themed Fresh Off The Boat to FOX8 from it's 20th Century Fox output deal - to air in January.

      Yeah, righto Rupert.

      Penny Dreadful sounds like something I'd watch.

      That being said I'm thinking it's about a group of people hunting supernatural monsters like Spring Heeled Jack in early 19th century London. Now to look it up and see how wrong I am.

      Edit: No actually I was pretty spot on. No idea if Spring Heeled Jack is in it and it's a bit more Gore than Horror but it really looks like something I'd like to watch.

      Last edited 21/10/14 12:12 pm

    Even family guy has made several running jokea that no one watches tv anymore. I dont think I have an aerial in my old house for 3 months and the only reason I did get it was usa season was over.
    There is far to many issues with tv and timings now, and dont get me started on the morning shows just showing the popular stuff on the internet from a week ago.. we get it today show! We also got it tweeted, linked, emailed, shared on facebook and texted the link to whatever video you found in youtubes popular in australia tab.

    Look on the bright side, the popular show with a large fan base "VIKINGS" had a run on SBS and finished it's season months ago, guess when I get to see it on Foxtel? The first of December. I know it's my fault for missing it but hey, bright side. :) I hate free to air, no episode of Agents of Shield after Blacklist because X Factor. :(

    I have not watched commercial TV in years, I feel happier not doing so. I Found that half the time I was getting annoyed/angry at what was on TV, stupid news segments that is not news worthy
    "BARRY THE DODGY BUILDER!" "HOW EATING LOTS OF FOOD MAKES YOU FAT!" (biased one sided stories) all those stupid talent shows, australian drama, game sows, annoying ads, shows weeks or months behind from the US, movies I have seen too many times etc...

    The same applies to commercial radio.

    Now, if only people on facebook stopped sharing and liking that crap like that so it no longer shows up in my feed, I want to know whats happening in the block and I could not give two shits about john smith winning the 106th X factor finale,

    Last edited 21/10/14 8:34 am

    Foxtel calling things "fast tracked" means nothing.

    Big Bang Theory is being advertised as fast tracked from the US but we've only just seen episode 1 if the new season while the US has seen the first 5.

    Is 5 weeks behing really considered "fast tracked"?

    Last edited 21/10/14 8:48 am

      Doesn't channel 9 have the rights to Big Bang? Just go to the CBS Website and watch it there anyway.

      So I guess airing the same day as in the US doesn't count, then? Which is what most Foxtel fast-tracked shows are.

        US has already seen episode 5 of the new season we've just seen episode 1.

        So it may be the same night but 4 weeks later.

          Most fast-tracked shows are same day. Not all.

          http://cbs.com/ if you want it sooner.

    They can keep this shit off the TV for as long as they can. For the most part pretty much every show on Fox8 is rubbish. They won't screw up with the good stuff, GoT, Newsroom, Walking Dead, etc.

    Luke, are you listening to yourself (you're clearly not proof-reading your own headlines)? What the hell is wrong with you that you can't wait two months to watch a TV show you admit is probably pretty average? Are you such a sheep that you HAVE to follow every social media trend, apparently on principle? Seriously, dude, you have a real problem.

      Hello appropriate username.

      What you'd get if you bothered to read articles instead of headlines (or, gasp, in conjunction with) you'd have understood that what's he's saying is that there was a social media buzz and a positive response in the US, Australians will be interested, they will pirate, and why on earth are multi-month regional delays still happening in a global marketplace?

      Metahporically speaking, this isn't the great whacking footy injury that utterly fucked your knee. This is just an instance of the idiotic patient insisting on walking down the sloped driveway to take the garbage out after his surgery, even though the doctors have said doing that is just making things worse.

        I read all that and what it really says is that it's all someone else's fault. It's not, the fault lies entirely with braindead morons who can't wait a couple of months to see something that may or may not be worth seeing. I imagine, for those sheeple, watching the Movie Show on Tuesday and having to wait until the reviewed film is released on Thursday must be unbearable, especially if it cannot be pirated. But if you can deal with seeing the Interstellar trailer months before the film's release, you can deal with this without having to resort to stealing. It's a choice you make, like any criminal activity.

          I read all that and what it really says is that it's all someone else's fault. It's not, the fault lies entirely with braindead morons who can't wait a couple of months to see something that may or may not be worth seeing.

          If being a brain dead moron means having realistic expectations of the entertainment industry with respect to the current technologies and not holding to modes from the 80s and earlier, then I'm very happy to be a moron.

          But if you can deal with seeing the Interstellar trailer months before the film's release, you can deal with this without having to resort to stealing.

          What stealing? Piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. Unless BitTorrent somehow gets attached to online banking and it can somehow remove a royal tie from an actor/actress before it is earned from a ticket sale.

          It's a choice you make, like any criminal activity.

          The only thing criminal here is your behaviour. If you can't making an informed and mature comment then keep your comments to yourself and your hands off the keyboard.

            The only thing criminal here is your behaviour. If you can't making an informed and mature comment then keep your comments to yourself and your hands off the keyboard.
            Most likely his hand is on his wang

          Hi Delusional, I'm Transientmind.
          Your definition of 'fault' needs to be put in context.

          Imagine a shipping company decides to publicly announce that they are dismantling and firing all their warehouse security and removing all their locks, then - SURPRISE! - oh my gosh their warehouses get fucking robbed.

          Obviously the the thieves are at fault for taking the stuff.
          And the shipping company is the one at fault for encouraging the thieves.

          Two different kinds of fault. One of which is being referred to in this article.
          You might have missed it: It’s the wrong thing to do and not being able to get access to a show is no justification for piracy, but that never stopped anyone during the last season of any show that was ever delayed in Australia before.

          The article is blaming Oz TV distributors for tempting fate for no good reason, when they have the option not to.
          Do you understand the difference, here? Or are you an intellectual write-off?

          When you're paying for a service that is meant to deliver entertainment as fast as possible, it doesn't make sense that they delay it.

          A two day delay between a movie being reviewed on Tuesday and opening Thursday isn't the same as a two month delay for a show they've already purchased. That you are paying them to show you.

          Would you accept a two month delay on any other purchase? Buy a new PC, ok you can pick that baby up in two months. What? Why? No real reason we just want to sell more computers in that month so we're moving your sale to then. At which point most people would demand a refund and go elsewhere.

          The only time I think a two month delay is reasonable would be when purchasing a house and even then it's mostly because of the 28 day cooling off period. And most of the time your able to move in within 5-6 weeks.

      dickhead of the morning award goes to this guy! @some Idiot

      Last edited 21/10/14 9:59 am

      What the hell is wrong with you that you can't wait two months to watch a TV show you admit is probably pretty average?

      Regardless of the show, this is 2014. There is no justification for making any region wait. With the Internet, releases should be global. No exception (I'm looking at you, Burke!)

      If I or others wanted to be subjected to staggered releases, I'd build a time machine and go back to the 80s when the release schedule was justified due to the logistics at the time and computer networking was primarily a premium for universities and big businesses.

      Last edited 21/10/14 11:16 am

    I've read the title of this post about 10 times, and it just makes no sense. Am I reading it wrong? What is it saying? Is there a word missing? A comma maybe? I cant even??

      As referenced above: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-cant-even

      edit: Transientmind beat me to it =)

      Last edited 21/10/14 9:53 am

    I don’t watch much tv usually. I just download HBO etc., I just watched this trailer and I find it bizarre as hell that this thing even exists and that there’s any interest in it.

    Thanks for the recommendation luke.

    Added to seedbox, and if it's awful, i'll just remove it again. I'll give it 2 episodes.

    On the subject of FTA TV, I still regularly record neighbours & media watch - "piracy" is a poor substitute for these two shows because they are not uploaded fast enough, usually 3-4 hours after for neighbours and 3-4 days after for media watch (despite the fact the low res mp4 is on the ABC website anyway). Gold Coast Cops, The Force, Border Security are other examples where the uploads take a long time to appear on "pirate" sites.

    Other Australian shows that DO get uploaded quickly are stuff like Masterchef and My Kitchen Rules, plus all the dramas and some ABC comedies. Strangely, The Project is uploaded very quickly and there appears to be a strong following for it with piraters.

    It seems to depend on the show for Aussie TV.

    I record all these shows first, and use "piracy" as a backup if i'm out of the country, in the city for a late meeting or otherwise away from the house. Yeah OK I like a bit of reality TV, but I do discriminate, you can have your gardening & home reno shows, and I don't touch "talent" shows either (singing, dancing, hanging out in a house, and so on)

    I record judge judy & cops on the PVR also but I end up deleting a lot of episdoes as it doesn't take long before i'm weeks or months behind what my box has recorded.

    Please don't downvote me just because I like reality TV. It's my choice!

    Last edited 21/10/14 10:29 am

    Big deal, watch it on Hulu Plus along with all the other new shows that have come out for "Fall" in the US. Works fine for me.

    I made the mistake of watching American Horror Story on free to air. Christ I might as well of pirated it in 2004, the quality was that bad.

    Like others, I basically stopped watching TV. Call me a pirate (based on the views of ASA), but if I have an interest in something, I simply find when it is due, series link it in my TVHeadEnd server, then go through it when work settles and I'm not gonna be a unexpected crush any time soon.

    I know I'm gonna be laughed out of here but I'm a grown adult that simply loves cartoons and the same server is programmed to try and catch the old classics for the stuff that will unlikely ever see a DVD release.

    Free to air television left our household years ago. All I watch is YouTube now haha. Seems to be better programming that whatever is on FTA these days.

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