Some Photos Of Earth For Shaq, Who Thinks The Earth Is Flat

Dr. Shaquille O'Neal is no longer a professional basketball player, he's a podcaster. That means he has unlimited opportunities to stick his size 22 feet in his mouth. On the latest episode, he threw his support behind the ridiculous belief that the world is flat. Why? He drives, and when he does, it's flat to him.

Speaking with his co-host of The Big Podcast, John Kincade, Shaq addressed the controversy over the Cleveland Cavaliers' Kyrie Irving insisting that the Earth is flat. Without missing a beat, Shaq said, "It's true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yes, it is." Kincade immediately started laughing. The small part of me that still has fond memories of wasting afternoons playing Shaq-Fu perked up. Maybe he's just screwing around, right? There's no way he really believes that, right? I don't know. Read this:

"Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind -- what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, 'Oh, Columbus discovered America,' but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn't discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this s*** is flat to me. I'm just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it's flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It's not. The world is flat."

Shaq, buddy, you have an honorary doctorate degree in education focusing on organizational learning and leadership. I know you didn't go to class to get that, but kids look up to you or something. Don't do this.

I don't need to fully rehash why we know the Earth is round. Lots of people have explained it over the years, but for Shaq's sake, here's a helpful video:

What about the satellite imagery we have of the Earth? "Oh, satellite imagery, that could be, that could be drawn and made up." Facepalm. This kind of thinking is infecting so many people, lately. It's a nihilistic scepticism that fuels destructive political discourse and accepts nothing as fact. The one hope that Shaq is just screwing around is that he asserts at the end that the world is "a square." He can't be serious.

Anyways, here are some photos of the Earth, taken from space by NASA following its very public launches of satellites and shuttles. If Shaq refuses to believe they're real, he's missing out on some awe-inspiring experiences.

Photo: NASA

Check out that curve.

Photo: NASA

Earth, seen here from the Apollo 17 spacecraft in lunar orbit. The moon is also round.

Photo: NASA

Earth, with satellites.

Photo: NASA

There it is, The Blue Marble. You ever see a square marble?

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    I ran my finger over each and every one of those satellite photos, all of them were smooth and flat. Therefore proving Shaq's point precisely.

    O no!!! Not Shaq too! A yes but I can't say anything too rash, that's exactly the kind of backwards thinking that makes us roundies believe what we believe.
    However it does explain why Shaq and the other professional players could jump so high.
    They were probably issued helium by the government.

      Several companies (eg. SpaceX, Virgin Galactic) seem to be within a year or two of offering commercial suborbital flights. Just get him on one of those, he'll change his tune soon enough.

      Edit: This was supposed to be a standalone post, not a reply. Weird.

      Last edited 20/03/17 9:05 am

        haha yes, but mate...if he aint worked it out yet...I doubt a space flight will convince him ;)

          He has professional experience with spherical objects, I have confidence that if we sent him up for a flight he'd recognise the spherical shape of the Earth below!

    On the latest episode, he threw his support behind the ridiculous belief that the world is flat. Why?

    Because it makes him money, nothing more, nothing less...

    Hey, a guy that looks around and sees a flat world is using observation to come to the same conclusion people have had for many years. If his conclusion is wrong and let's face it - it is, it is still valid hypothesis. Very intelligent adult people still swear there is an invisible magic man who created Adam and Eve .. oh and something about a talking snake. Not in a figurative way but literally. Now that blows my mind.

      When clearly the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise, and it's tortoises all the way down... (paraphrasing)

        No, the earth rests on the backs of four elephants, who stand on the turtle's back.

        Oh, for fuxxakes, give people the keys to the greatest repository of collective human knowledge, and people wilfully make themselves stupider. We'll end up back in the trees the way we're going.

      The earth being flat has been disproven. God existing has not been disproved.

        He's not talking about the vague notion of a god, he's talking about Christian God, which has been disproven. There's still some doubt if you sell it out and go with the folk tales version, but the literal interpretation he was talking about is laughable.

    Can you just do a skype call to someone on the other side of the earth and see it's actually daytime, or the moon is up, or any number of other things that aren't currently visible where you are? That would at least verify the heavens are circling the earth? IF the earth was flat, wouldn't all the heavens be visible the same to everyone (unless the heavens were very very close to the earth - in which case the sky is falling?).

    I don't know why I would appeal to logic where clearly logic has failed...

    Think I know who failed logic here. What if the Sun and the Moon were directional, like torch beams? And they moved around, like shining a torch on different parts of a floor in a dark room. Being light in one place and dark in another is not proof the floor was not flat at all. Same with the heavens, they could be vast and flat and move around above, so perspective stops you seeing stuff that people in other parts of the flat Earth could see. Once again, everyone not seeing the same things in the heavens at the same time is not in itself proof that the Earth is not flat.

      You misunderstand perspective with awe-inspiring ease! When you approach a city like Dubai, in the middle of nothing, you see the top of the buildings first. You do not see the entire building very small and growing equally up from the horizon as perspective would do on a flat surface.

        Hmmm, I'm looking for the bit where I said perspective explains the observations you make on a distant object on a curved surface when you move towards (or away) from it. I didn't. I said perspective can explain why you couldn't see a distant object like a mountain on a flat surface. Which it does.

      The idea that the sun could be directional like a torch is silly. A torch is directional because it has a 180 degree reflector on one side that reflects the light from the back and redirects in to the front. The sun doesn't have a reflector, it's not one sided, it's a giant sphere radiating like in every single direction at once, which is easy to prove. The moon only reflects light from the part of it that faces the sun.

        Boy, nobody here gets it do they? How do you know the sun isn't like a torch? Answer modern science. But it could be. A quite reasonable explanation backed by observation that it could appear so to people in the past who believed in a flat earth. It explains the observations.

          No one in the past believed in the idea of a flat earth though. It's a myth. We even know that the Ancient Greeks even proved mathematically just how big of a sphere the earth was. The flat earth society was only created in the 1800s as a sort of a joke.

          Flat earth theories are all about creating a hypothetical straw man version of people from the past who believed in it: but they didn't. It's only ever something that morons like Shaq tout.

          You talk about observations a lot, but your entire point of view is built on the idea of observing just enough to back your point while ignoring anything beyond. Find a mountain in the distance, grab a telescope, then tell me if you can see the entire base of the mountain. It's very easily observed by driving out of the city. If the area is flat you'll be able to see the city long before you see the suburbs which, if the Earth was flat, should be obstructing the view. You won't be able to see the ground floors or cars no matter how good the view is. Go out to sea and you'll see the tallest parts of the country long before anything else.

          If you actually care about the answer then go out and make these observations.

    Observation without thought does not make it a good hypothesis...

    If the earth is flat...
    And we can see the sun come up or go down at the horizon of the ocean...
    Then why do we not see all the mountains on the other side of the ocean?
    We can see the sun, which is further away even in FE's skewed concepts...
    So why not the mountains that should be in front of them?

      Thought without thought does not make a good hypothesis either. Like a previous commenter you are ignoring the effects of distance and perspective (like the parallel railway lines appear to meet and dissapear in the distance). This is a possible explanation of why you don't see the mountains on the other side. Flat earth ideas survived for a long time because you can construct perfectly logical (but wrong) reasons why you might observe what you do.

        Perspective can't explain flat earth. If the mountains were so far away they seemed to "disappear", that wouldn't matter at all because you could just see them any time you wanted by using a super powerful telescope. But if you point a telescope at the horizon all you will see is sky- or space and stars at night.
        Flat earth ideas only started about the 1800s I think, and since then only idiots have believed in it.

          The human eye can resolve things than span around 60 arcseconds in the field of view, so if the 'super powerful' telescope isn't quite powerful enough and the mountains are far enough away, you will not see the distant mountains on a flat surface.

            Hahaha! Man, that's a weird argument!
            To a standing man the horizon cuts of at 4.7 KM due to the curve of the earth. That's a very easy distance for any telescope to see to and the human eye has no issue with resolving the images they produce. ;)

            Because of the curve of the earth the view of it completely cuts off: it doesn't gradually dwindle to nothing.

              You're missing the point. What I am saying is that there are several explanations on why a distant object like a mountain could not be seen, one is that the earth is curved and it's below the horizon, the other is that the earth is flat but you can't discern the distant object because perspective makes it appear too small. Without other supporting evidence both are just as good an explanation and so a flat earth view is reasonable based on that observation alone.

                Are you actually reading people's replies to you? We have all given countless examples that disprove your view of perspective causing objects to be too small to see. Factual and observable objects one can see with the naked eye that clearly are not too small to see but their bases are obscured. Thus perspective and a flat earth is NOT "just as good an explanation", as observation alone disproves it! Your logic is beyond flawed for your devil's advocacy.

                  Exactly. The guy simply does not understand perspective. In any way, shape or form.

          Global earth only became an option in 5th century, prior to that, the earth was flat. The idea of a spherical Earth appeared in Greek philosophy with Pythagoras (6th century BC), although most pre-Socratics (6th – 5th century BC) retained the flat Earth model.

            No they didn't. The Greeks just calculated the mass of the earth they didn't develop the spherical model.

        Out on the ocean you can see the curvature of the earth.

      Totally agree it's ridiculous taking one observation and coming to a conclusion in the face of so much evidence. But if he feels that he's right and believes in his heart that the earth is flat, shouldn't we teach this in public schools? don't kids deserve a balanced approach to science not just one perspective?

        No, it shouldn't be taught in school because it's not proper scientific method. Shaq's assessment is anecdotal, he hypothesises but doesn't conduct objective testing to confirm or deny his hypothesis, then accepts it as fact anyway.

        How do you do a 'balanced' approach to this? Do you say 'well, we've got a bunch of information here that proves the world is round, but if you look at a few very specific things and avoid the rest then it might appear to be flat'?
        This is a conspiracy theory. The only way to 'teach' it is to teach kids that there's a global conspiracy fabricating bulletproof evidence in order to convince them the world is flat for... reasons? Knowing conspiracy theories the reason is probably Jews or The Government, because those guys just like messing with people.

    "Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance"

      Seems fitting that you'd use a quote from 18th century clergyman and Christian apologist William Paley, and deliciously hypocritical given the nature of your ongoing personal war against science.

        Not fighting science, fighting your religion of scientism

          Maybe you think that's what you're doing, but you're not. Scientism is the philosophy (not a religion) that the scientific method is the only possible source of valid knowledge to the exclusion of all else. None of your replies address the possibility of non-scientific explanations - instead you attack the observations themselves, accuse evidence of being fabricated and are in general completely dismissive of scientific conclusions.

          Regardless of what you think you're doing, you're not fighting scientism, you're fighting science.

          No, you are fighting science. Because science counters your political ideals.

      It's been investigated. And it's been proven that the Earth is an oblate spheroid.

      Earth is round. It has been proven to be round. You dont need to investigate it because thats already been done.

      Shaq is a moron.

      He deserves condemation for spouting false idiotic crap.

    This is all part of his cunning plan to fleece the credulous.

    1) Profess to believe that the Earth is flat.
    2) See who supports you in this belief.
    3) Sell these supporters some kind of snake oil device (I recommend power balance bands or ionic bracelets) at an outrageous markup. They will buy them, because they'll believe anything.
    4) Profit.

      It's almost like taking photos of the planet from different angles, with different cameras and at different times of the year results in different photos. Not to mention the actual files those were taken from might have different colour settings. I mean the 1975 one clearly has a different black to the others. Do you have the sources for those pictures?

        Go to your favourite Nasa fanboy site they are all there...By the way they are not pictures nasa admits they are composites

        Last edited 21/03/17 3:44 pm

          Naturally a simpleton like yourself would think earth is flat. You must be loosing brain cells by the hour.

    Easiest way to test is to point a laser horizontally. Laser goes in a straight line, but the Earth will curve away and the laser will end up higher than where it started.

    This is what happens at LIGO where they have 2 lasers pointing horizontally at 90 degress from each other. It goes for 4km before bouncing back. At the end of the 4km, the laser is 1 metre above where it started, because the Earth has curved away.

    Aristotle: "Earth is round"
    Big Aristotle: "I got 4 rings, how many do you have? Earth is flat"

    I like how the earth is so small in the pictures from the moon...

    Proves how idiotic the general population is

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