Windows 8 May Force You To Boot Into The UI Formerly Known As Metro

Don't like Windows 8's new, currently unnamed, tablet-leaning interface? Too bad. Microsoft is apparently going to make you love it, and step one of the process is forcing you to boot into it, claims ZDnet.

Windows enthusiast and co-author of Windows 8 Secrets, Rafael Rivera, has apparently said that Windows 8 users will not be presented with the option to boot into the traditional desktop mode. Instead, all users will boot into the tiles and head to desktop mode from there if they must.

So far, the desktop booting ban has yet to be confirmed or denied by Microsoft, but if it is the case, this could be the final nail in the coffin for Windows 8 use in enterprise. It's already unlikely that the new OS will see much pickup in the business world, and requiring users to be routed through the tiles at launch is only going to make it that less appealing for traditionalists. Everything Microsoft has done so far implies they're going all or nothing on this new interface. There's no reason to expect this to be an exception. [The Next Web via ZDNet]


    It isnt hard to disable metro and get a Windows 7 style boot:

      The hilarious thing is it wasn't until I installed Windows 8 that I realised just how useless the start menu actually is for me (With the exception of shutting down the system)... Most of the time I'm only going to Start to go to Computer to right click it and select Properties or Manage, and even then 9/10 times I always click the wrong one first. With Windows 8 I go to where the start menu used to be, right click and it gives me all the options I actually need (System, Computer Manager, Control Panel, Command Prompt, Command Prompt as Admin, and many more).

      Given that I work in IT and I'll need to embrace Windows 8 in order to support our R&D staff who need to develop on Windows 8, I can safely say I don't think I'll be missing the start menu (not immediately anyway)

    See I thought there could be upsides to using windows 8 in the business world.

    You can get important information easier using live tiles.

    People will be able to have everything synced across tablets and desktop PCs and to a lesser extent, phones if they also move to WP8 that is.

    The ARM version of Win8 come with Office pre-installed, is fully integrated with the cloud too.

    There are plenty of benefits of moving to Win8 for business, Or am I the only one that seems to be able to look past the "OMG MICROSOFT IS CHANGING WINDOWS AFTER ITS BEEN SO SIMILAR SINCE WINDOWS 95 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

      youve obviously never met a corporate IT department have you?

        What P1R said.

        Scrubs living in the small business world really seem to live in a fantasy. You find out that most of them either sell outsourced services (marketed as "cloud" services) or they are working for someone who does.

      Well you need to understand that the average "business" computer user isn't your tech-savvy user like you or me. Moving from a start button to no start button will be a huge change for them and something that will definitely require some kind of transition period for many large corporations. It's that transition period that is going to cost these corporations time and money.

      The average user has a hard enough time moving from XP to Win7. Can you imagine them moving to Win8?

      Every PC user for the most part knows how to use Windows at least on a basic level. If they are presented with something totally foreign to them, they'll freak out. The IT savvy user says "Cool, let me try to figure out how this works". The rest say "Ahhh I don't know what I'm doing!" Trust me, I've worked in tech support, and the amount of calls you get from users about stuff that you can simply turn on and off in the options menu of an application is staggering. They are scared to go into that options menu. I don't know why...heaven forbid they might actually learn something about their computer.

      I'm leaning towards the side of the fence that says that it's time for the Start menu to go. It's been around for 17 years, but I remember when it was first introduced. Windows 95 introduced the start button in the first place because it was time for a change from the old DOS-based Windows. That time for change has now come again. Whether the UI formally known as Metro is the right way to go about it, I'm not entirely sure yet, but I do believe that the start menu has well and truly had its time in the spotlight and is ready to retire.

        I can certainly appreciate the apprehension that non-savvy users feel when confronted by a new UI - family tech-support isn't the same as in business, but I get your drift! :--]

        Still, since business relies on a standard operating environment couldn't you just stick a note on the monitor saying "when you log in, please press ([windows symbol]+D) on your keyboard" – or maybe you could write a script that does that for them upon login?

        Have the standard environment there on the desktop and users can explore the Start screen at their leisure, always secure that Start+D will get them back to their Desktop. Naturally also configure the Start screen to have all their Desktop apps available to them too. I just think that what users are most accustomed to is programs confined to resizable, movable windows. Take the Start menu away but leave those things there, and they’ll be fine.

          I think you only have to press the Start button on the keyboard, not even Start + D.

          I've been using W8 for about 3 months, I hate the Metro UI, but I never use it. I find it cumbersome, but I would only ever use it maybe once a fortnight, and that's when I have to find a program I have not pinned to my taskbar. Even then it's as simple as Pressing Windows key and enter the first three letters of the app.

          I can however see an enourmous potential for having a tablet, it even means one day soon I can VNC to my windows box from my Nexus 7 and be able to use the Metro UI quite comfortably

            I also challenge someone to tell us how many times they use the start menu throughout their day. Excluding Shutting down.

            I bet you can pin all the applications you need to the task bar, and if you run out of room, just expand the task bar to double size. With everyone having really a minimum 22" monitor there is plenty of room.

              I use it every day. I prefer to have all of my application shortcuts nicely organised and out of the way. I don't like my taskbar and desktop being filled with tonnes of shortcuts.

                How exactly do you use it? I have a few things pinned, but still use it a fair bit. However mostly my hands don't leave the keyboard: [Start] -> start typing name of program -> when it shows up, hit enter (or up/down then enter, if necessary). The "Programs" submenu of my Start menu is messy, nearly unexplored territory, as anything in there is faster to find by typing. Do you prefer to organise and sort things to your taste in that submenu?

                I use the Metro start screen the same way: I'm in Desktop, need to run Notepad. Hit Start key, type "notep", hit Enter key.

                It would be really, really interesting to see a study on exactly how the majority of my fellow office-monkeys use their PCs, but my purely personal, anecdotal experience is that at work most people are used to clicking icons that are in their face; in the day they'll use no more than half a dozen programs; and mostly they don't realise that they can reorganise their Start menu if they want. As such, it seems to me that pinning things to the taskbar would work for most people.

                  i use it for programs that i dont regularly use or for programs that i never can remember there names. also navigating to control panel, documents, pictures, music folders etc much easier. it allows me to keep a very minimalistic desktop if i wish. metro just slows the process.

    You just need to look at it from the correct perspective. Windows 8 boots to the place from which you can choose what you want to do next, so instead of having to go through to the desktop and then open the Start Menu to launch an application, you are presented with all your applications, ready for you to choose and go. i.e. Booting to the Start Screen actually saves you a step over booting to the desktop. Its also ready to go much more quickly than the desktop, so they probably do in part to make the boot experience slicker.

    I wonder how long the mouth foaming metro haters held onto Program Manager? OMGZ EXPLORER RUINED WINDOWZ!

    It is, only a single key click to the desktop. However given that PC users don't generally have a touch screen, I think it's quite silly not allowing them to just boot into the desktop. No doubt some enterprising young tecky will write something to suit, but MS really should listen to their customers here!

      Why? What good is the desktop on its own? The first thing you'll want to do when you get there is open an application, which you do from the Start Screen, so why not go straight to it? That's what I found when my machine was booting through to the desktop - the first thing I did was hit the Win key to go to the Start Screen to launch my browser or some other application, so now my computer boots to the Start Screen. It just makes a lot more sense once you've been using Win8 for a while.

        Most users would have icons on their desktops for their most used applications I'd wager (I don't, but many users would). It would probably make more sense to them to just boot into the desktop and click an icon rather than navigating the UI formally known as Metro.

          But they only have those because they went to the effort of putting them there (even if it was just a check-box during installation). If anything, it proves my point. And you need to double-click on those icons, which is extra effort.

            How does it prove your point? Adding an icon to the desktop would not be any different to adding a shortcut inside the new Win8 UI. People like familiarity, especially in the business world. Corporations are not going to like the idea of needing to spend time and money teaching their non tech savvy staff how to use a new interface.

            And you've been able to single-click to open applications since Windows 98 dude.

        Why is it that you feel it necessary to comment on every post related to windows, or pretty much anything else? You are not the arbiter of all things posted and to be frank, I'm a little tired of your incessant comment corrections to suit your opinion. Do us all a favour and take a holiday, .. Please!!

          It interests me, I have experience with it and I enjoy discussing it. What's your excuse? What should I do if not present my own opinion? Ape yours? Make stuff up like most sheeple seem to do? Seriously, what makes you think its OK for you to comment but not me? I'd really like to know.

            For the most part you do just 'ape' other post and add information that is irrelevant or unnecessary. As I said before, you are not the arbiter of all things commented on. Just because people have a different opinion, doesn't make them wrong or you more right!!

    I'm sure I read somewhere that there is still a startup folder that you can put a shortcut in for launching the desktop

      Read this somewhere else, but haven't tested:

      Step 1: Open notepad (Winkey+R notepad) and type:


      Then save the file with the extension .scf, use a simple name as desktop.scf. Save the file on the desktop.

      Step 2: Go to:

      C:\Users\\AppDataRoaming\Microsoft\WindowsStart Menu\Programs\Startup

      Copy the file desktop.scf here.


        Best make a script for progman.exe while you're at it.

          Or, as I mentioned on Lifehacker. ... If you miss your Start Menu so much, then just ad a custom toolbar and point it to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Program. Then move the custom toolbar icon to the left of the taskbar. There’s your missing Start Menu people.

    Will users be able to change the tiles? Or will I be formed to look at a bunch of Windows stuff I'll never use?

      Tiles are fully customisable. Switch them around, group them, remove them, add others, size etc etc

    I must admit, the new start menu is growing on me more every time i use it. There are some really useful apps and the interfaces are slick. Searching and launching is really easy. I tend to have Metro open on my laptop screen and Desktop on my external monitor

      I've started using my Win8 test machine as my regular "daily drive", and will definitely be buying a license when Win8 is released. I still spend most of my time in Desktop, using Chrome and Office 2013 (which I'm undecided about...), but certain Metro apps are worthy and I love the combination of Aero and Metro snap.

    Is there any reason to open up the Desktop?

    In the consumer preview, the was a registry hack that enabled the start menu, but it dudn't actually disable metro.

    I'm not certain there will be any way to disable metro, which is obviously going to cause many a headache.

    People, people, people.......can't we all just get along? If you don't like Metro or WIndows 8 don't use it. Very simple. There is no gun being held to heads forcing upgrades. You don't like it, that's fine. You love it, that's fine also.
    Use your computers the way you want with the software you want and let others do the same. Please stop trying to force opinions onto others or try to invalidate someone else's opinion. it is just narrow minded and petty.
    Me personally, I will use Windows 8 and Metro and I will learn to adapt because I am intelligent and capable of learning something new.

    Why would people want to boot into the desktop?
    Surely the first thing they'd want to do when starting their computer would be to open an application not look at their wallpaper?
    The tiles can be arranged to put whatever programs they want there, just seems to me it saves a step rather than desktop first into start into a program.

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