Data Retention Bill Passes Aussie House Of Reps

Dammit.

This afternoon, MPs from both sides of Parliament's House of Representatives passed the amended Data Retention Bill.

In Question Time this afternoon, Prime Minister Tony Abbott praised those involved with the Bill's passage:

The Australian Federal Police advised me that 90 per cent of counter-terrorism investigations involve the use of metadata, as do some 90 per cent of child abuse investigations. I want to thank the chairman of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security...the Ministers and Shadow Minister involved but we can't stop there. we must alays be acting to keep our country safe."

The legislation was passed following a deal struck this morning between MPs from both sides of the house on ensuring that trawling through the metadata of journalists would be carefully monitored.


Comments

    Is that the first bill to be passed in parliament this year?
    BEWARE.
    NOW BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.

      Not yet. Still has the pass the senate.

      Doesn't mean they won't start collecting early though. It's probably more legally justifying the data they've already collected.

      This is nice that parliament's house of representatives passed the amended data retention bill.

    So... when does it come into effect... and how long until internet prices go up and the caps come down???

      You have to wait for the senate to pass it first.

      There are two houses of parliament in federal parliament and a new piece of law must pass both before a date for it's commencement is known.

    "but we can’t stop there. we must alays be acting to keep our country safe.”
    So what's next then?

    And so we enter the era of VPN's. Idiots!

      So now we have to pay to have our data stored, and to have a VPN to maintain privacy. Yay, useless policy puts price of using the internet up 25%

    Do you think we could get a somewhat in depth review/comparison of Routers that tunnelling all your traffic out via a VPN?

    For no reason in particular I think this could be a very interesting article...

      Everyone should just open their WiFi networks, then nothing could be traced to anyone. We'd just be a sea of random data.

      But it still annoys me that we're spending real money on something so easy to circumvent, which will obviously be by the exact people the laws are trying to target.

      :sigh:

        The registered owner of that wifi network is responsible for it's data use, full stop.

        If you opened up your wifi router, and someone used it for illegal purposes, YOU will be charged as an accessory to that act of child abuse, terrorism, or whatever it is.

          If you opened up your wifi router, and someone used it for illegal purposes, YOU will be charged as an accessory to that act of child abuse, terrorism, or whatever it is.

          I doubt this is true. Can you cite any laws, precedents, etc. that support your opinion?

            I believe in Germany and perhaps some other countries it's actually illegally to have an open wifi network, for the very reason that people can't claim innocence.

            Malcolm Turnbull is a lawyer, let him tell you:

            http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/issues/new-measures-to-tackle-online-copyright-infringement

            The account holder is considered responsible for the uses the account is put to, much like the person listed on the bond of a rental property. It is important that you always secure your internet connection to ensure it is not used for illicit purposes.

            I can't tell you exactly which section of which law makes this so, but it's a fact. As you are the account holder, you are responsible for what that account is used for.

            Last edited 22/03/15 10:30 am

          Well no,

          Telstra is constructing a nationwide wifi network where for some part, customers routers/modems will be the devices hosting that network. So if the owner was liable for any activity on their network then this plan wouldn't work

            The Telstra plan still relies on you having your Telstra login credentials associated within your network session as the "guest" on that persons WiFi network (otherwise it would be open to anyone...)... and it's meant to be measured against your home Telstra internet usage... in other words... the "owner" has nothing to do with your access and therefore no liability...

          This isn't true. Businesses for example will not be held responsible for traffic on wifi services they provide. When Scott Ludlam was grilling staff of the AG's office, it was made pretty clear that the system could be easily circumvented by using public WiFi at McDonalds, Libraries, etc.

            There are plenty of other laws where big business is excluded but home owners aren't

          Not if we set all the passwords to the same i.e. password.

          Then when someone does something bad and you can show you weren't home you cant be charged.

          Like if I rob someones house and use there landline to break the law you can hardly be blamed for it

          I really doubt this. How would this apply to places like libraries or universities or other places that have free wifi like coffee shops?

            There are of course different laws pertaining to private use and business use. Businesses will generally block certain websites etc and can log ip's, mac addresses, have you under surveillance if you do anything wrong. But when it comes to private household use, the account holder is indeed liable. As stated above, Turnbull himself is a lawyer and openly declared it. You can't download four seasons of Game of Thrones, get caught and say 'HOLY COW IT WAS THE KID DOWN THE ROAD! I had no password! LAWLZ! You can't touch me!' It's your responsibility. However, if you can indeed prove the person who did it in a court of law, I'm sure the Judge would be open to that. If you go to court, have the person in tow, get them to admit it etc. But boy, would *that* be a long process.

            Or in short, as it says right at the beginning of all lawbooks:

            Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

            Just because you don't want it to be that way, doesn't mean it isn't.

            Last edited 22/03/15 10:25 pm

          So if I use the Wi-Fi hotspot in McDonald's, they will be the ones being fined. ?

      For a short range, and very easy to travel with, the TP-Link TL-WR703N gets my vote. It's itty bitty, and if your DSL or NBN router has a USB port, that can be used to power the TP-Link as well.

      For a full sized router with large coverage, the Asus RT-N16 and the Netgear N750 are also good.

      If money is no object, go for the Netgear Nighthawk or Asus RT-AC87U

    The legislation still has to be passed by the Senate and any changes made accepted by the House before the bill can go to the Governor General to be signed into law. I don't know what sort of passage this legislation will have through the Senate but I hope it won't be easy. And yes, our politicians are IDIOTS!

      They've come to an agreement with Labor. It's guaranteed to pass.

    I really hope the senate forces them to amend the bill to need a warrant.
    Otherwise I don't see why our intellegence agencies wouldn't just get all of the data on everyone and store it themselves forever.

    First person charged under the new metadata laws when passed will be an illegal downloader.

      Unless copyright infringement has gone from a civil infraction to a criminal infraction, that just won't be happening.

        Copyright infringement has both Civil AND criminal penalties.

    Great job idiots. I'm sure the TURRISTSS will be totally fooled by this latest attempt to stamp out privacy and free speech.

    This is what you get for voting in a bunch of fascists. The Labor party are no better of course, since without them this bill would be impossible to pass.

    It's a sad fucking day for Australians everywhere.

    So it it time to write that script that randomly pings IP addresses all day long?

      Just to fuck with em !

      Just make sure it's not an IP address of someone who has child pornography.

      http://cs.nyu.edu/trackmenot/ Already done.

    "It was brought to our attention that thoughts generally proceed actions, so in the interest of everyone's safety we have passed a new bill today which grants us the right to record and store everyone's thoughts. Terrorism... terrorism.. blah blah.. oh look cash... terrorism.. terrorism.. fear.. boogeyman."

    I've got a great idea.. lets repress our people's freedoms and watch act's of "terrorism" drop... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

    What I love is the quote I saw somewhere this morning where Brandis apparently offered the brilliant opinion that criminals were 'dumb' and 'wouldn't bother' to bypass the retention mechanisms. Yeah - because if a ten year old can sign up to a VPN to get their GOT fix with no trouble at all, the crims this is designed to catch (you know - pedos and terrorists) are too 'dumb' and lazy to use VPNs or TOR or both like they have been for years.

    Or public Wifi at McDonalds and in uni's like was already revealed in some of the 'sessions' leading up to this. Or Wickr and other apps that our communications minister Malcolm Turnbull himself is a fan of.

    Seriously, this is a joke. Senate had better kick this sh@t back with some major ammendments e.g. 'sunset clause' or the brilliant (though doubtless tongue-in-cheek) suggestion from Dave Lejoylem (sp?) to mandate 3 month retention instead of 2 years. 3 months of my VPN IP being stored I could probably live with :)

    How long until an amendment gets snuck through banning private use of VPNs? They can't ban them entirely because even the Government uses them for people who work from home or at remote sites.

    But I can certainly see the claim coming that no "normal" citizen needs such a service "because if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".

    The exact moment this deal was struck before the vote, Brandis announced the next thing he wants Torrent Blocking. He keeps pushing his agenda to destroy our rights to the internet. Wonder what Village Roadshow is paying him off with this year ?

    When your anti-terrorism policy of capturing Meta-data is sitting in the middle of two anti-piracy bills (which wont work - UK already tried them and failed... and the USA refuse in cause of the second amendment, you know the one about free speech), your not fooling anyone Brandis the meta-data is for your American corporate friends.

      You could never block Torrents - torrenting is just a protocol - plus it has legitimate uses

    Time to vote for the parties that opposed this Orwellian future, a sad time to be Australian.

    Not sure if this is a direct quote from the source but having "we must alays be acting to keep our country safe.” with a spelling error makes me wonder if they've thought about this or if it's the movie studios bullying the government like they just did with PayPal and mega.co.nz

    We can still stop it if the senators vote against it. Contact them via phone fax or email:
    http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Guidelines_for_Contacting_Senators_and_Members
    And tweet them, facebook, etc. WE ONLY HAVE THE WEEKEND LEFT THOUGH, THEY SIT ON MONDAY.

    Do it guys.

    i am not surprised at all this has happened, been in the works for ages. it's just going to get harder and harder. but there will always be ways around it, just use a decent VPN provider with zero logging policies. i recommend https://www.foxvpn.net

      also found this coupon code for an extra 5% off on 6months and 12months access: EXN6KU61JM

      Last edited 23/03/15 9:35 am

    So, I may know a guy that works at Telstra. This person may have been responsible for handing over scores of data, on everyone, to governments, for years.

    Stop stressing.

    Last edited 22/03/15 12:47 pm

    The Australian people are the new terrorists here. Welcome to the new world order.
    Just like in America, it only gets worse from here, Who will organize and fight this treason of the world, I saw the Lindt café siege, it was more like a movie set.
    We have been sold out by those who represent us. ( when is it ok to shoot a cop? )
    the answer is, when they commit treason, or abuse their powers. ( every day )

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