Telstra To Release 150Mbps 4G Devices This Year

Telstra has just pledged to make its already fast 4G network even faster this year with the introduction of what it calls "Category 4" devices. What is Category 4? Bloody fast is what.

Category 4 devices are currently being tested in Telstra's network testing facilities up to speeds of 150Mbps, which is phenomenal. Before you get excited, however, we need to remember that the devices probably won't be that fast by the time you get your hands on it.

In live trials in Perth, Telstra reported real-world speeds of 90Mbps, which is still over twice the speed it quotes as the maximum for the current 4G network and its relevant devices.

The speeds will also depend on the available spectrum in relevant areas. Perth and Esperance will get access to the devices first due to the fact that they each have over 20MHz of contiguous spectrum available.

Category 4 devices coming this year include a wireless internet dongle and a handset. Whatever will it be? [Telstra]


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    Is this 150Mbps, or 150Mbps-while-you're-the-only-user-of-the-system.

    Yay. 150 Mbps. Now I can download that 5gb monthly cap heaps faster.

    Speed increases are useless as long as we have these ridiculous caps in place.

      Exactly. Telstra charged me $13 for 16MB of data last month. I went over my quota of a measly 1GB.

      Tell me about it. Its infuriating having an LTE phone with a 1GB data limit, but I refuse to pay any more for Telstra's crazy data prices. Even if I did, the available plans only go up to 12GB.

        You dont realize how much money goes into making this live my friend

          Given I worked at for Telstra for 2 years, and two other ISPs in tech support, I actually do have a reasonable idea. Tons of work on every level, but that's irrelevant to me as a consumer if they can't deliver plans I can afford. I'd be willing to pay for a reasonable cap of something like $60 for 20GB, but only offering up to 15GB for $95 a month is a joke.

            I worked for Telstra as well at a time, I can only say though if you recall the introduction of 3G and how expensive that was, it just took time for them to get everything together.

            But I totally agree with your point, it is outrageous that they charge so much, I don't know how long this is going to go for, maybe my future children will take advantage of a cheap 4G-LTE offer, its sad to see so much speedy innovation and development that we cant even get something like 4G which has been talked about for a very long time, up and running, I do understand how hard it is, but still, more effort needs to be put in to make this happen more quickly.

      Tell me about it! I went over my 200 gig cap in the first 15 days of the month last month!

      Bring on the truly unlimited plans with no bloody home phone line rental!

      Actually, just bring on the NBN already!

        The NBN will suffer from almost exactly the same issues. Because of the pricing model charging for CVC (network traffic) it will be extremely hard/impossible for companies to offer unlimited plans at reasonable prices. Think very slow unlimited (TPG 12Mbps NBN) or fast capped connections (100Mbps >500GB quota)

          Hi stirlo, just to clarify the NBN CVC component is a bandwidth charge (think Mbps), not a usage/consumption charge (think MB). so it only affects speed of service if contended, ie. ISP's are not charged for each MB.

            While that is correct, to maintain reasonable contention ratios ISP's will be forced to limit the traffic from heavy users or purchase extra CVC. This will bring about the scenario I explained.

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          CVC will go down once we reach 90Mbps average quota usage. We're at 30GB growing at 50% a year....

          It's not gonna be a problem before the NBN is even already finished. We'll be seeing 3-5TB caps by 2020.

            3-5 TB would be very insufficient. For a person downloading movies/multimedia in 2020, 3-5 TB I suspect would run out even quicker. Given that a 4K movie is about 160GB in size, 3TB would be good for maybe 15 movies a month. on a 500GB cap, you can download around about 65-70 movies in Divx quality. I dont even want to think what bandwidth 8K would hog up.

              I think you're not taking into account compression. 4K, using H.265, can use about 20Mbps (18GB for 2 hours). 8K less than 80Mbps. And that's just the CURRENT codec.

              15 movies a month??? I'm lucky if I watch 3!

              Also, I was being conservative on my cap estimate. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we were looking at 10-15TB caps on the high end. But I'm looking at everyday Aussies, not high end users. I can't see 3-5TB (especially once you take into account "Freezone" type muticasting deals) being needed for your average family even. We average 30GB per premises in Australia per month (actual usage) right now. Growing at 50% a year, that's near enough 500GB in 2020. Average.

                Reports that I read say different. An uncompressed 4K trailer for Spiderman was 500 GB...
                (http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/home-entertainment/1290532/how-much-hard-disk-space-you-will-need-for-4k-video-files)

                With compression, I'm not sure it will be around 18GB, given that most 1080p movies with 5.1 surround still take about 16-19 GB of space.

                I'm not too sure about the average user, but i dont see 3-5 TB being enough for a high bandwidth user. More and more companies (Google, Apple, WD) are moving towards streaming Full HD, and I'm sure UHD will follow suit not too long from now. I have my Apple TV and Xbox hooked up to my TV and I stream full HD movies all the time, usually a couple at least per weekend, and several tv shows on top of that. All I'm saying is that I see a huge disparity here... with new tech coming up, I don't see this download limit based business model being too feasible or successful.

                  Like you said...an UNcompressed trailer was 400GB.

                  http://blogs.iis.net/alexzam/archive/2013/01/28/h-265-hevc-ratification-and-4k-video-streaming.aspx

                  COMPRESSED 4K is 20-30Mbps. That's fact. So, sorry, but there isn't the huge issue with bandwidth you think thanks to H.265.

              Just to throw my two cents in here, even thought this thread is a bit old, I'm fairly certain 1080p will be the peak of screen resolution for movies watched at home. 4 and 8k honestly isn't needed for loungeroom television viewing, and is even fairly unnecessary on laptops and tablets. Even if it does become a more widespread thing, 1080p will remain the standard for quite some time, as it offers very good quality and for a while will probably be cheaper than 4k, if you look at stores like iTunes that charge a premium for HD over SD.

            I see nothing in the business plan to indicate the price will decrease. ARPU is projected in increase as customers increase their demand for speed and usage. The trouble is as a monopoly there is no reason for NBNCO to decrease prices in the future. The problem is with growth of 50% per year unless the price for CVC drops by an equal amount we will all end up paying more for High Speed High Bandwidth plans. Ultimately this will most likely lead to High Speed Capped Plans and Low Speed unlimited plans like I described.

            See this http://commsthought.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/nbn-cos-bold-assumptions-on-australians.html

            Last edited 14/02/13 8:48 pm

              @stirlo Try page 67 of new Corporate plan. Once we reach 90GB average, CVC starts to fall. When we reach 500GB average (if growth continues, that will be 2020, before the NBN is even finished) CVC will be HALF the cost it is now.

      you could always... I don't know... Get a cap that suits your use...

        A lot of people seem to think the salesman in the phone shop just wants to take them for a ride. I can tell you now, the money isn't good enough to want to sell people extra stuff for the commission. When someone in a phone shop insists you take the extra data pack, you really should, because they don't want you back hurling your phone and massive bill at them and screaming abuse.

        Former phone shop employee. There are prison guards who haven't been threatened and attacked to the extent I was, all because people seem to wear their ears for decoration, and ignore what the salesman recommends.

    Any chance of the Galaxy S4 or next Lumia being Cat 4?

    but wait 90Mbps isnt fast enough to call it 4G and that's twice as fast as what we've got now?
    is there a reason marketing isnt called lying?

    and Sean, it's 150Mbps-while-you're-the-only-user-of-the-system-and-you-are-directly-under-the-tower

      The international body that controls nomeclature, has allowed the use of 4G for technology where the tower hardware does not require upgrade to provide 4G.

      Technicaly its called LTE. Also, Cat4 does meet the minimum required to call it 4G because it exceeds 100mb/s burst speed. 4G doesn't have to have 100mb/s maintained speed.

    to the people complaining about data cap sizes and data expenses- do you have any idea how much it costs to build a mobile network, especially one covering such a huge area? telco's are private, for profit companies, why the outrage that they're trying to make a buck as well as deliver a service?

      See, this right here is why Telstra should never have been privatised in the first place.

        But public utilities can often end up in political limbo or chess games where they pick and choose to reward their party's seats or to try to gain marginal seals. At least for-profit companies will spread like an enthusiastic cancer if they can make a dollar.

        If still owned by the government Telstra would still not be able to provide something for nothing. We have to pay for everything somehow, sooner or later. If the government provides below cost services we pay for them through foregoing other services and/or higher taxes.

        Stop and think how much saving the planet from the human race's greed is going to cost! You can pay out of your pocket or you can pay with your life. Ain't no other way to pay.

        If Telstra had'nt been privatized we'd still be sitting on CDMA and ADSL1. There was no way in hell the government was going to spend all that money upgrading everything.

        Also If Telstra had not been privatized, there would be on Optus or iiNet or Internode or any of the rest because the Government was never going to regulate its own company to allow competition. Competition is the only reason we have ADSL2 and 3G/LTE.

          So by your logic the NBN shouldn't exist because it's a Government initiative. If my memory serves, Telstra was only going to cherry pick locations to upgrade them to fibre and screw anyone else.

          Privatisation isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be.

          When the government owned Qantas and operated Sydney airport competing airlines weren't banned from flying into Sydney were they? Nor are health insurance funds banned from competing against Medibank Private.

            Since we are reffering to Telstra, lets compare apples to apples hey. When Telecom was owned by the government, there was no competition, no pushing for new technology, to network improvement and no investment. Cue, privatisation, we get competition, we get new technology.

    Nice one Telstra! Faster network .. then throttle my download speeds.

      Or charge you excess data fees. THAT is why they want faster speeds, so you can chew it up quicker and get a bigger bill.

        Last I checked, Bigpond slows you down when you excede your usage. like most ISP's do.

    Who cares what these tech turds offer up? By then you'll be on costlier, smaller quotas, they'll still be screaming blue murder about be forced to compete on a level playing field and yet the sheep will still flock to them.

      Good luck with whatever inferior network you decide to use, then. We won't miss you.

    I don't really see the need for 4G/category 4 download speeds. My Optus prepaid (Woolworths) can play HD Youtube vids without buffering on 3G, how fast does it need to be??
    I do all my big downloads at home on broadband.
    Avoid bill shock by going prepaid, Woolworths is 5GB/45days/$29, or Boost and Kogan offer great prepaid on the Telstra network with huge downloads.
    If you run out of credit, no bill shock, you just have to talk to your friends you're with instead of staring at your phone, old school style!!

    Yeah but what will they CHARGE for it?
    My current, older 3G WiFi dongle for example. I pay $25 a month for 1Gig of data.
    I asked about upgrading to the 4G dongle. They want $35 a month for the same data.
    What?!
    So if I want to move to this super fast service, what will I be paying? $45 for 1Gig of data?

    Such a rip off!

      Show us a better deal offering the same speed in the same locations in Australia.

    I don't think I like the sound of this throttling business but in Melbourne I am getting about 97Mbps on my Lumia 920 with Telstra 4G. It's rad! PS: I just switched from Three/Voda.

      Actually I just double checked that, and it seems to be more like 43Mbps now. Oh well. Still fast.

        Show me any ADSL connection that can match it.

          Sure I "only" get about 14Mbps on my ADSL but I have a connection 99.9% of the time at those speeds. Sometimes my mobile phone can't make a connection, loses a connection, or has trouble maintaining speed/connection.

          NBN I need you now!

            Oh how i envy you all, i get 50gig; 25 on and 25 off peak at supposedly 10mbps. Except for the fact that when i check that speed on the website i get rated at 1mbps but i have never EVER seen it go above 160kbps when actually downloading something (except once on steam at 200-400kbps) and it usually it sits at a casual 70kbps and don't even get me started on what happens once 1 or more pc / console connects up. <>

    I'd rather they spend the money extending the current Category 3 LTE to my area. We're not exactly small (over 50 000 people) but we're not in their "expansion" plans yet....

    It's great having 4G walking to and from work....but that's all I get these days.

    Last edited 13/02/13 11:00 pm

      From what I under stand, the LTE network is prety much being built on the old GSM network to same having to build new towers and such.

        Yes, it is. And we have plenty of 2G coverage here. They're only increasing speed because they don't have the 1800 spectrum to expand LTE further. They're waiting for the 700MHz. The speed increases in 4G are pointless when 50% of its locations don't have the spectrum to support it.

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