
Nokia ‘launched’ its Lumia portfolio of devices in Australia today, although you won’t be able to buy any for several weeks yet. We’ll get the Lumia 800 — finally — as well as the cheaper Lumia 710, with a rather firm “no comment” on the status of the Lumia 900. Nokia’s pretty much bet the farm on Windows Phone 7, but can it succeed locally?
I was going to write a hands-on impression style piece of the Lumia 800, but frankly, given the delay in getting it on Australian shores, I’m not sure there’s all that much point, although we will review the local 800 when it’s available.
Plus, for what it’s worth, it’d be far from my first hands-on impression; while I was on leave in the UK, Lumia 800 advertising and demo stands were seemingly everywhere. If Nokia follows suit, be prepared to be washed over with a lot of Lumia branding.

The 800 does have the nice styling that it more-or-less-ripped from the corpse that was the N9, and that’s a big plus; if you’re after a stylish phone and like Windows Phone 7 as an operating system, this is the current phone to beat… for at least a week or two, when the blinds are raised at Mobile World Congress. Current tipping suggests that Nokia may only release the “international” version of the Lumia 900 at MWC, but that in itself presents problems.

Before anybody asks, yes, the question did get raised regarding the Lumia 900′s local availability, and that question was shot down just as quickly. That doesn’t mean it will or won’t happen — but even if it never does, Nokia’s got something of an uphill battle on its hands. Every single time I’ve written about the Lumia 800 recently, there’s been an avalanche of comments to the effect that while the 800 might be a nice phone, they’ll hold out for the 900, because the 800′s already such a known quantity, and those who already wanted one have imported it.
That doesn’t mean that Nokia won’t try to sell as many Lumia 800s locally as possible, or even that its age automatically makes it a terrible phone per se. But it’s tough to sell a phone that’s seen as “old” by the market that most enthusiastically seeks it.
OK, so perhaps the audience for the Lumia 800 might not be the early adopters, but instead the mass market. But if anything, again, the Lumia 800 is undercut by the Lumia 710. Yes, it’s not the best Windows Phone 7 device out there; it’s merely average and in line with the rest of the Windows Phone 7 crowd.

That would be a strike against it were it not for the asking price; at $369 outright — and presumably on something around a $29 Optus cap — it’s quite a charming little unit. The mass market may well see the $699 Lumia 800 and decided that the $369 Lumia 710 is “good enough”. But the Lumia 710′s specifications are equally very much in line with last year’s Windows Phone models, and those have been selling at bargain basement prices recently.
I suppose we’ll get a more rounded picture in the next couple of weeks when MWC wraps up; if Nokia announces a whole raft of exciting new devices, we can get hyped up again. If it doesn’t, we’ve got the Lumia 800 many months after it’s been available elsewhere. Hopefully, the next time Nokia announces new high end models, we won’t wait an age for local releases.



















TSH
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:10 PMWhat’s this, Australia the arse-end of the world for something technology related? Say it ain’t so! :–P
I’ve flipped and flopped about wanting the 800 or 900, but most recently I’ve come down on the side of the 800 despite the PenTile screen and lack of front-facing camera. Mostly it’s the physical size and design of the device that appeals to me. My sister’s Galaxy S has PenTile and it’s quite alright; my current phone has a 3.8″ screen and it’s the perfect size; even Apple couldn’t convince its users that video calls were cool, so front-facing camera isn’t a big deal; and my Vodafone plan is up in July, by which time the 800 should be available on a mid-range 12 month plan.
Win!
MotorMouth
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:22 PMDon’t feel too bad, it is only being released in the US today, so we are a fortnight behind.
TSH
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 5:09 PMBut but but it’s been out in Europe for months! :–[
I know it’s not the end of the world, and I won’t be getting it ’till my plan’s up anyway so that’s doubly true for me. But it’s funny that a delay that is commonplace for all other brands (like Samsung and the Galaxy note, which Giz is also reporting on) is reported as though it’s a deal-breaker when it’s a Nokia handset.
BC
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 9:15 PMUS dudes get the 900 and 710…Lucky…
Mrigank
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 2:11 PMWell same initial thoughts. My vodafone plan gets over in August, although expecting the lumia launch I called up the customer care and was told that I should be eligible for a handset upgrade by may. I said Yay!. Only thiong keeping me back was a front facing camera ( futureproofing!), especially with skype app in the works and integration coming really soon. So just wondering..800 or 900?!:(
Andrew
Thursday, February 16, 2012 at 9:52 PMI’ve had the 800 for a couple months. I got it from HandTec in the UK.
Loving it. I haven’t looked my my iPhone since.
No NextG is a bummer but I’m 99% WiFi so the rare time I need connectively its been fine.
Bigfoot
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:14 PMI understand your pain there alex with the rash of comments about the 900, as although not having commented on any previous article i am one of what i assume is many wanting to skip the 800 and go for the 900. I was in a Telstra store today and asked about the 900 and 800 and was told that they have heard nothing (price, release date, etc.) and would only find out about a week before it is released to the public. Either way i will still hold out for the 900.
Matt
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:23 PMI find that there is still a lot of brand loyalty to Nokia here in Australia. They were obviously a powerhouse in the early-mid 00′s and I know of quite a few people (not the gadget envy power user types) who still either have their Nokia dumbphones from this era, or who have traded them in for Symbian-powered N97s and N8s despite the prevalence and popularity of Android and iPhones.
Because Nokia already established itself here and has that history of rock solid hardware, this is one of the markets where Nokia can take advantage of that history and introduce its old fans into modern smartphones. Windows 7 isn’t Symbian, but it’s quite intuitive and would most certainly give these new transitioning users all of the features and ease of use that they require.
For the existing smartphone crowd, whether or not they will be tempted by Nokia’s pretty hardware is another story altogether – and for this crowd it may be more of a battle around the operating system rather than handset brand.
MotorMouth
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:25 PMYeah, my first-hand experience confirms this. I’ve had my Lumia 800 for a week and already it has excited more people than my Focus managed to in a year, simply because it is a Nokia phone. There seem to be no shortage of hard-core Nokia users who actually see WP7′s under-dog status as a good sign that Nokia are continuing to go their own way. i.e. people seem to love their Nokias because they are so different to other brands. Its almost like a secret society.
Luke
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:28 PMIt’s what I’m waiting for!
Sicarius123
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:38 PMThe possibility of the 900 has made me decide to not go on a new contract for an 800. I will however be buying it outright, and selling it again if the 900 is released.
I’ll be happily dumping iOS for WP7.
Chris
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 11:58 AMhaha yeah my mozart is about to die (one too many drops i think) so 800 here i come, followed by a 900 when they r release
cleverclogs
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 3:43 PMContract is up in July, Would be great to get another 12 month contract and the 800! I take a lot of “snaps” on phone these days, more than using my camera, so any incremental upgrade is worth it.
Besides, the girlfriend wants my phone so she can play Wordament.
kjv
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:00 PMso many people have contracts ending in July.. including mine haha.. Nokia and WP7 is definitely where my money will go… still to decide on which Lumia it will be though
t0ast
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:01 PMI’m still crying that there will be no more N9 will these be anywhere near as cool i sure hope so! I would like something to come from the current Tizen and samsung situation aswell it could be an interesting year in the smartphone department
MotorMouth
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:21 PMThere are several flaws in this article. First, the idea that the perception of the Lumia 800 is that it is old. When was the iPhone 4S released? Have its sales fallen off a cliff lately? The reality is that it might seem to be a few months old to the 0.01% of the population who look at Gizmodo, but to the customers who actually determine market-share it won’t have existed prior to the marketing push hitting its stride next month.
Then there is the whole “many months” thing. Since when does “many”, in that context, mean three? Because the UK launch happened on 25 Nov 11, which is just over two months ago. The local launch is a few weeks away, not next year.
PHuZZy
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:27 PMFINALLY – Now we just have to hope for some DAMN ADVERTISING to get it in peoples mindsets.
With the 900, AT&T will have it exclusive for a while I’m sure.. Maybe Q3 we could see it here in OZ if they get the LTE frequencies worked out for Telstra!!
Johnny P
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:31 PMWindows Phones are awesome… until you want to download some half decent apps
TSH
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 5:14 PMI’ve found either an app or a built-in capability for everything I’ve wanted to do with my WP handset, except bluetooth file transfer and bluetooth keyboard pairing.
What are you trying to do, that you can’t?
warcroft
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 6:38 PMJohnny, you dont have a WP7 do you? If you did then you would know your comment is crap.
The cry of “theres no apps” is so bullshit.
There are more WP7 apps than there were Android apps in the same time frame.
Tracy
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 4:33 PMNokia Australia is one of the first-to-market with the Lumia 800/850 band – a frequency which both Telstra and Vodafone operate. What we’re offering consumers is a compelling smartphone alternative – a highly spec’d device – on the latest Windows Phone 7.5 software. Feedback to date from the operators, retailers and developers has been overwhelmingly positive and we’re sure consumers won’t be disappointed when they get their hands on one in March. The Nokia Lumia 710 is a great device too at a lower price point. We’re not a one-trick pony and provide consumers with smartphone experiences at different price points. Give them a bash, and let us know what you think.
Alex Kidman
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 7:41 PMNaturally — once I can get my hands on an Au 850Mhz unit. And I’m all for choice in the marketplace!
MotorMouth
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 8:29 PMReally? Because the tone of your article seems to indicate that you want Nokia to fail. After all, I haven’t seen you calling an iPhone 4s old and its a full month older than the Lumia 800. The Lumia 800 is also several hundred bucks cheaper, which an insightful, objective assessment might have considered will more than offset any perception of it being late to market. I’m just sayin’.
Alex Kidman
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 7:49 AMNot at all; I’m not entirely convinced that many users consider overall price (contracts and all that) in any case, but both Nokia and Apple are in an interesting position. Apple’s managed to convince the market that it can get away with a single model every year (like it or not, that’s the truth), whereas Nokia announced WP7 early last year… and then we waited… and waited. And then it came out overseas. And we still waited. I’m not saying outright that it *will* fail, or even that I want it to fail. But in the early adopter community (of which Giz is highly representative), it’s seen as a “late” phone.
For whatever it’s worth, when Apple pulls the same thing (which it has done in the past) the complaints from the user base are near-identical.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:11 AMUsers won’t care about handset price but telcos sure as hell will when it comes to making it available on low-end contracts. I imagine the 710 is cheap enough to be offered free on a $29 cap plan from launch (its cheaper outright than a Samsung Wave was when it launched) and that will have to be a very tempting offer for a lot of customers, don’t you think? Nokia’s strategy seems to be very similar to what Holden have done – Holden used to import quality small cars from Europe but switched to cheaper cars from Korea that offer incredible value. As a result, Cruze sells twice as well as Astra did and the new Barina is selling up a storm, even though journos rate it as one of the worst cars in its class. Nokia may not have the best phones in the market but they do have phones that offer incredible value. In a maturing market, value is what wins you marketshare in the end, because there are a lot more people looking for a bargain than looking for the best gadget money can buy.
Nokia has a solid brand and the Lumia phones will offer incredible value. Add in a shock and awe marketing campaign like they did for the N9 and I think they will do OK. All WP7 needs is to be seen by customers. The feature phone market did very well out of a dozen or more OSes, I’m sure there is more than enough room for a third major smartphone OS to arise. Android did it with zero brand awareness in just a couple of years, WP7 has a lot more going for it than that.
Franz
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 7:06 PMIt’ll be sunk when Windows 8 arrives for PC. The mobile platform’s name must match.
Pinkus
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 7:37 PMAnd then the Apollo update will come out for WP and it’ll be WP8 no doubt…not really going to be a problem.
It would also be a problem for Apple by that logic, OSX 10.7 does not equal IOS5 does it?
MattW
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 7:22 PME6 + WP7 = my dollars. Until then my Palm Pixi will keep on going, hopefully.
drew
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 9:17 PMwhat to do? i originally wanted the 800 but now is looking forward for the 900, i’m on pay-as-you-go plan on three with 1 gb free (first on three customer) and vodafone’s been constantly bugging me to upgrade, i’m using htc mozart atm (bought on ebay for cheap) and love it but really wanted a nokia though….800 or 900?
Aqua
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 10:29 PMTo be honest, I think its best to wait till the wp8 devices come out octoberish. Higher screen res, multi core + better gpu and win 8 code base. If you need one now do what I did and buy an htc Mozart outright for ~250 to play around with and then upgrade when the next gen arrives.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:28 AMI don’t know that my phone will benefit from any of that. What I want is good reception and call clarity and my Lumia 800 delivers both. It also has far and away the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Every image looks gorgeous on it, way better than the SuperAMOLED on my Focus, which in turn is better than an iPhone 4. I don’t have any need for more pixels, although it might be cool if I could hook it up to an HD monitor/TV like I can with my ZuneHD (it ain’t no ZuneHD, though). For me, I think that even if I had a choice between an 800 and a 900, I’d pick the 800 anyway. Its size is a big part of its appeal.
Matttm
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 10:37 PMI feel like Nokia and Microsoft are going to struggle in the next few months before Apollo. In this article it talks about how Nokia is going to push the 800 when the 900 is going to be released. But how are they going to push either when multicore, high res display, nfc enabled, memory expandable, skype integrated Windows phones come out later this year/early next? The jump between first gen and second gen devices isn’t that dramatic, but WP8 is a huge milestone.
I am hoping these new Nokia’s will bring a rush of users, then more apps will come and maybe better support for the apps currently there (runkeeper hasn’t even been converted to Mango yet and whatsapp still lacks functionality). The white Lumia 800 does look sexy though.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:32 AMI don’t think you are looking at it correctly. The 800 is a Commodore, the 900 is a Caprice. Which sells more? Nokia are always going to sell a load more 800s, the 900 is just a high-end device to cover the top end of the market. It will only grow their marketshare incrementally, whereas everything is riding on the 710 and 800. If they fail, the 900 cannot possibly save them. They’ve been doing this for a long time, I’m sure they understand the market much better than you.
TSH
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 10:21 AMI installed Runkeeper last year on my HTC Trophy…
Keith
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 10:52 PMThe Lumia 900 is a winner over the 800 in my book I want LTE, however I want to use AFL live on mobile which does not work on WP7. No really explanation but think it is Flash. Needs to be HTML5 for WP7.
If no annoncements are forthcoming WP7 and Nokia have lost me, I’ll get the HTC Velocity – speed, availabilty and football over vapour ware and disinterest in the Australian market.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:41 AMDo you realise that HTC’s first LTE phone was available almost one year ago? Its taken 10 months to get here. So the few months you’ll have to wait for a Lumia 900 is nothing compared to how long you’ve already waited for an HTC Velocity. Kinda blows a big hole in your argument, doesn’t it?
BTW, AFAIK there is no reason an app cannot support Flash, its’ just WP7′s browser that doesn’t. The YouTube app certainly works (made by MS), although it seems to be not much more than a bookmark to the mobile YouTube site.
Damon
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 2:46 AMI’ve never been so impressed with an operating system as I have with Window mobile. Nokia need to take a lesson from apple. How come when an apple product is promoted at a launch it is available Almost every where around the world. Strike while the iron is hot.
The nokia 900 is 6 months away in Oz at best and Nokia will loose out on sales because they can’t launch a product properly. The Nokia lumia /win mobile formula is a successful one and can make a huge dent in the market place.
Apple launch a new product in march and the punch and hype Nokia /windows have made will be lost in this country due to slick marketing. Telstra should be taking orders now for the 900. By not releasing a comment about availability and launch date it only makes me sway to other manufacturers. We all know the product is there- sell it to us. Nokias marketing people need to have a global attitude. No wonder Apple have done so well. I bet Samsung don’t do this mistake. They will launch internationally with the GS3.
Current Nokia owner….
Sicarius123
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:45 AMTelstra WANT you to sway to other manufacturers. They want you to come to them and sign up to a new contract, not wait 6 months for a phone.
They want you to make your choice from what they currently have available. That is why they don’t announce anything more than a few weeks before release.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:46 AMThat’s not true at all. New iPhones are available in some markets weeks before they become available here. I’m sure that’s because the devices need to support different frequency bands for different markets, so they need to build stocks of country-specific models before launch.
Australia is not an important market. I think we should feel lucky they bother with us at all. Nokia and WP7 need to succeed in the US and Europe and I am sure that’s why they have been concentrating their marketing on those markets. We’ll get the phones just 2 weeks after the US.
MotorMouth
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 9:52 AMSeriously, you guys are all talking like the Lumia 800 is a piece of garbage. I’m sorry but to me it is the best phone I’ve ever seen or used. Its gorgeous, reception is brilliant (noticeably better than my last phone), the screen is easily the best money can buy (nothing else comes close, except the similarly endowed N9) and WP7 offers everything anyone coudl want in a phone OS. If you put a Lumia 800 next to an iPhone 4S and a Galaxy Nexus in a store, I guarantee you that the vast majority of objective customers, i.e. those with no OS or brand preference, would pick it as the best phone of the bunch. Nexus might get a few votes for its larger screen but in every other way I bet the Lumia 800 would smoke it. And it is cheap enough to be offered on lesser contracts, so its potential user base is much bigger from Day 1.
Morgz
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 1:26 PMI’m hoping to get hold of the 900 purely for its LTE capability, living inside telstra’s current LTE zone means I can use it as a replacement for my home internet connection, and on the road. I think there’ll be a lot of people hoping to ride that particular boat.
Will
Saturday, February 18, 2012 at 2:49 AMI hope we’ll get the 900 ASAP coz I’m tired of us being the last ones for technology, movies, etc. I am sure some of us will find a way to get it from overseas if our providers are not concerned about what WE want and what WE need. Its a shame for being left aside, isn’t it?
anthony
Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 8:17 AMI love that this page is smothered in HTC Velocity 4G…….
Michael Byers
Wednesday, February 29, 2012 at 2:18 PMLooks like the Lumia 800 has something big coming up in ‘The Amazing Everyday’
http://youtu.be/9N6G-cHVlXQ