The Great Oz Comic-Con

Gizmodo AU

“Comic-Con comes to South Australia in 2012″ read the headline, as part of an “internationally recognised comic-book convention” continued the article. Fans, media outlet: everyone was excited. Even Gail Gago, the Tourism Minister for South Australia let her enthusiasm get the better of her: “[t]he San Diego convention started with 300 people in 1970 and last year attendance exceeded 130,000,” she said, fully believing that this Oz Comic-Con was affiliated with the globally renowned Comic-Con International. But it’s not. Not even close. We decided to investigate: was this a genuine misunderstanding, or a great Oz comic con?

“I’m 13 years old. I have been asking my parents to go to Comic-Con in San Diego for over a year. I found out in the papers today that Comic-Con was coming to Adelaide, and I stood up and screamed. I’m sure a lot of other fans that have been wanting to go to Comic-Con got the same reaction — I’m going as Green Lantern and I know that I’ll be spending quite a few bucks. This will be the biggest event in SA history. Well, that’s what I think.”

Thirteen-year-old Jack Bloomfield is excited. As far as he knows, Comic-Con International is reaching across the Pacific to Adelaide, providing him with an event he has waited a short lifetime for. A dream come true, Jack Bloomfield is excited, and he’s far from the only one.

If you happened to stumble across this article in Adelaide Now, you might have gotten the impression that Jack’s dream did actually come true; that Comic-Con International, the globally renowned company, was bringing the Comic-Con brand to Australia.

But that is not the case. Comic-Con is not coming to Australia. And some people are a little angry at the confusion.

The Main Event

The event is Oz Comic-Con — a completely different event to the US show, put together by a completely different company, yet using the same brand as the 15-year-old San Diego event.

Immediately after our initial report on Oz Comic-Con we received a number of comments — emails, phone calls, messages — none of them were complimentary.

“This is purely two Australian businesses trying to use the Comic-Con brand, without permission, mind you, to raise awareness of their event,” read one comment.

The drama centred around a single woman: Carissa Avenhouse of Hub Productions — the company behind Oz Comic-Con, a woman who has been extensively involved in the local Popular Culture Expo scene for the last decade.

The ‘Comic’ Con

“I’ve been seeing this stuff coming and it’s… well I’m biased, but I’ve certainly seen the press release which is blatantly trading on Comic-Con and its reputation.”

Bill Geradts is the creator of Armageddon and has been running events since 1995. He has worked with Carissa Avenhouse and Hub Productions before. In his own words, he was “glad to see the back of them”. He doesn’t understand why Hub’s event even uses the words Comic-Con to begin with.

“The people who are running this Oz Comic-Con are not connected with Comic-Con international in any way,” says Bill, “they are not even running a Comic-Convention. They are running an event. It’s not a Comic Con regardless of what they call it. If it’s a comic convention, it would just be comics and stuff. Fair enough San Diego Comic-Con and others have evolved — but they have their roots in proper comic conventions.

“They have been involved with Supanova, with Gen Con, with Armageddon. Not one of those people running those events is working with them in any capacity now.”

The Active Hub

The Oz Comic-Con reveal caused a stir in the tight knit Pop Culture Expo scene when it was announced. When we decided to investigate, there was no shortage of people willing to share their distaste for the event and the way it was broadcast across Australia. Very few, however, wanted to go on record, and those that did wished to remain anonymous. Bill Geradts was one of the few willing to talk openly about his previous relationship with Carissa and Hub Productions. Their business relationship did not end on good terms.

“I’ve dealt with them, put up with them, and got nothing but grief in return,” he claims.

“We did Adelaide and Sydney — Armageddon was getting a bit of grief for not doing these cities. Financially it was a problem for us, and there were many reasons why we didn’t want to go there again in 2012. There’s no point in going public as to the reasons beyond behind-the-scenes stuff.

“However it certainly didn’t help when we started looking into doing a show in Adelaide and, as soon as Hub heard we were looking into doing the show, they promptly sent out a press release saying they were doing Adelaide in April. They even handed out flyers at our shows. So there was no way we could run a show in Adelaide ourselves. How could we possibly do a show two weeks after theirs?

“It pretty much killed any hopes of us doing another show there. Their first act was to sabotage another event coming to Adelaide.”

History Aside

For those involved in the local convention scene, the major problem — history aside — was Hub Production’s use of the words ‘Oz Comic-Con’ despite the fact Comic-Con International has officially denied any affiliation. It was use of those words that led press outlets to cover the show’s announcement, and many in the community resented that.

“They’re clearly and obviously leveraging off the Comic-Con brand despite no affiliation to any of the North American events that use the name,” claimed one high ranking expo organiser.

Another organiser, Rob Brown, from Culture Shock Events, doesn’t necessarily blame Hub Productions for the confusion, but admits that Oz Comic-Con has benefited from the confusion.

“Hub never really stated that they were affiliated with Comic-Con International,” he said. “But the use of the words ‘Comic-Con’ has confused a lot of people — that’s why I came home to a barrage of calls and emails. But Hub is just running their own show that’s similar to Armageddon and similar to Supanova and all the other expos that run in Australia. It’s no different to any of them.

“If people automatically associate Oz Comic-Con with the US Comic-Con, then that’s obviously from the press release. As for Carissa’s intentions, I don’t speak to her, so I’ve got no idea.”

Bill Geradts is far less forgiving.

“Should it be called Comic-Con? No,” he says. “It’s not a Comic-Con and it pisses in the face of the two established events that are in Australia.

“I have no problem with her wanting to do a show. Fine. But call it something that you own! The amount of press they’ve gotten based on that name… and they’ve gone, ‘oh no, we’re not saying we’re Comic-Con’, but in practically everything they’ve been doing they’re saying it’s Comic-Con.

“It’s like pointing at someone, accusing him of murder and then saying, ‘oh we weren’t accusing you of murder. But if you want to take that implication because I was pointing at him and screaming ‘murder’…’”

On the Defensive

“Do you realise that the Comic-Con name is used by 37 companies over the world to describe an event which is a comic convention?”

Carissa Avenhouse is defending her use of the Comic-Con name. She believes her use of the brand is no different from the way in which multiple other events use the Comic-Con brand.

“We use the name because it immediately advises people what the event is about. It’s not meant to infer that we have any connection to New York Comic-Con or London Comic-Con, or any other Comic-Con. The press release sent by our PR team also does not mention anything like that at all.”

She says any inference that Oz Comic-Con is affiliated with Comic-Con International is purely the fault of those misreading the press release.

Having looked at the document, it’s a fine line.

“Adelaide has been chosen to host the Down Under debut of Oz Comic-Con in 2012,” reads the press release.

“In the spirit of Comic-Con events throughout the world, globally recognised as entertainment industry powerhouses, Oz Comic-Con will be a pop culture expo like no other.”

The press release clearly doesn’t directly affiliate Oz Comic-Con with Comic-Con International, but it hardly dissociates itself either.

“That press release was sent out to the Adelaide tourism board, and it has been forwarded on from there,” claimed Carissa. “People have taken their own understanding from that. It’s out of our hands. They didn’t even contact us directly. The press release went to the tourism board and they moved on from there.

“We’ve never claimed that [we were affiliated with Comic-Con International]. No one in our office has ever claimed that. Our PR team has not claimed that. If people interpret it that way they are mistaken. If you look at our Facebook we have responded to comments confirming that we are not affiliated with Comic-Con, with San Diego or New York or London. We’re not associated with any of these organisations. But that is the name of the event because that is the kind of event that it is.”

Some Shape or Form

Others have raised concerns the event may not go ahead, pointing to a Twilight Expo that was cancelled weeks before the event due to low ticket sales and lack of star attendees. Instead of providing refunds, Hub Productions informed those with tickets that they had to transfer their ticket to another Hub event. For those with interest only in Twilight, this was hardly a fair solution, particularly so close to the date of the event.

“[Hub Production] do put on good events,” said one source, “but at the same time they have cancelled a lot of events due to lack of sales. Obviously, at this level of operation, cancelling an event takes on a whole new meaning. The show must go on regardless of whether guests cancel or sales are sluggish.”

Bill Geradts believes the show will go ahead, but wonders if the event is shaping up in the lead-up to such a huge convention.

“I’m doing shows in New Zealand — the Wellington and Hamilton shows — two weeks after she’s doing her shows. We’re 80 per cent full, we’ve been selling the show for two months. We’ve got all our details up. You go to the Oz Comic-Con site and, as far as I can tell, they haven’t booked any exhibitors, they haven’t sent out exhibitor packs, they don’t have sponsors, they haven’t confirmed their venue for Melbourne, but they’ve got dates up.

“They haven’t done anything they need to do to run a show. And they’re out there saying how awesome they are.

“I’ve dealt with Hub Production, and I don’t like them, but I’m willing to admit I’m biased. My hope is that they will run the show well. Don’t get me wrong — I hope, for the sake of the fans that this event is run smoothly, but my expectation is quite the reverse.”

Rob Brown, of Culture Shock Events, is the first to admit that his previous dealings with Carissa Avenhouse Productions ended badly, but still thinks that Oz Comic-Con will run in some shape or form.

“Our dealings didn’t end on the best of terms, that may or may not be headed towards legal action,” said Rob. “Would I do business with her again? No.”

“Running these events is an extremely difficult thing to do; financially it’s a huge undertaking. Adelaide is a difficult market in that it has a relatively small population compared to the eastern states. I know the event they’re planning to run there is similar in size to the one Armageddon ran before, and I know that financially we had a tough time of it.

“I think it will go ahead. If anything Carissa will do everything in her power to make sure she doesn’t look stupid. She’s a smart girl. Just because we don’t get on in terms of business relationships it doesn’t mean she isn’t capable of putting the show on. She’s knows how these things work. It didn’t work with her on Armageddon, it didn’t work with her at Supanova, but she has seen how these things are put together.”

Enough Time

We asked Carissa: Will Oz Comic-Con run as scheduled? Does she have enough time to put it all together?

“I’ve organised events within three weeks,” claimed Carissa. “I’ve been doing this for a very long time. The Adelaide one is booked in, everything is done. The packs will be sent out in the first week of the new year, so it will absolutely be an amazing event. We’ve been working on this event longer than anyone else has before they announced them. I’ve been doing this for a long time — we know what we’re doing.

“It’s not going to get cancelled,” she continued. “Everyone that we’ve announced has signed contracts. We would not announce a guest unless we have a contract.”

Carissa expressed disappointment that more people within the community haven’t been supportive of her efforts.

“It’s very difficult when you aren’t trying to do anything except provide fans with something they like and you’re being attacked by people who are bitter and unhappy because they had the opportunity to work with us and chose not to,” she said.

Bill Geradts has a different view.

“Frankly there is already Armageddon in Australia, there is already Supanova in Australia,” said Bill. “There is already this kind of event in Australia. This is not anything new. This is not a revolutionary new event. This is the same old thing from people who think they know better than everybody else.

Ian Houlihan is the ex-director of Gen Con — his company went under, partly as a result of issues between partners in the Pop Culture Expo business. He doesn’t understand why there can’t be more co-operation between bodies.

“In the last 10 years, almost every major city in Australia has had some type of expo or convention from anime to gaming, from comics to Gothic Horror, and everything in between,” he said. “What a lot of people don’t realise is that there is a certain amount of antipathy that many of the convention organisers have towards each other.”

“These conflicts historically have eroded many of the good events causing them to disappear, and in some cases prevented new ones from ever seeing the light of day. As a convention organiser in the past, I have certainly seen this first hand.

“All conventions should be benefiting from each other, not going out of their way to eliminate the competition in any way possible.”

Discuss

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    Informed

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Actually you can blame SA Tourism for being SHIT and not double checking things. They tend to take ANYTHING and run with it, often giving false, or leaving out massive details, in the hope of drawing crowds.
    Idiots.

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    Jordaan Mylonas

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Words cannot express how disappointed I am.

    The link to the San Diego event gave tremendous credibility to this event. It gave the impression of stability and prestige, a no-compromises event that wasn’t going anywhere.

    I might still have gone to this one, as I like to support the local scene, but that wasn’t what was advertised.

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    Steve

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Don’t forget Pop-Con – The Central Coast Pop Culture expo! It’s supposed to be coming out this year but i haven’t heard any more about it.

    http://www.popcon.com.au

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    attila

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Their conduct is borderline passing off as far as I am concerned. Why would there be a “Down Under” debut of Oz Comic-con if in fact it has never been run anywhere else – they clearly wanted people to think it was the “Down Under” debut of the US Comic-con IMO. I was surprised when I read it was going to Adelaide, rather than Sydney or Melbourne – now I know why.

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    warcroft

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Ii dont care. Im still taking my kids.

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    Grim

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    Wow, did not realise this was unaffiliated with the San Diego Comic Con.

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    Cole C

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    It’s so dodgy how the fans weren’t given refunds for the cancelled event. Even the option of choosing the transfer or a refund would have been fairer. In the meantime, people are out of pocket while the event organiser retains the money to fund other activities. Dodgy.

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      Lou

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 6:11 PM

      They offered a transfer or refund. Believe me, I was going to that convention. This site was clearly more interested in painting the Hub as bad guys. I mean if anything Culture Shock are known for canceling or stuffing up more conventions.

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    A

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    No venue for Melbourne? What, did nobody bother to look at the ‘Venue’ Page where it clearly states that the venue is MCEC?
    Just because a header hasn’t been loaded onto the page doesn’t mean the content isn’t there.

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    BK

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    I am a neutral party but I am going to weigh-in in defence:
    Whoever wrote this article has deliberately lied and is purely just trying to stir up trouble.
    The United States franchise is COMICON, whereas the Australian franchise is COMIC-CON, and although the two are similar, they are two different spellings.
    Whoever wrote this article hasn’t even bothered doing research.

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      Mark Serrels

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      Are you for real?

      http://comic-con.org/

      Comic-Con International.

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      attila

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Wow, I wonder if you could have made a bigger clown of yourself if you had tried. The US one is comic-con – the author (who you accused of lying and doing no research) even put a picture of their logo in the body of the story for you – which shows it as comic-con.

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      Jordaan Mylonas

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      For maximum troll feeding, follow the link in their name.

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        Clive

        Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        Nom Nom Nom….. That’s a pretty big fuck up for someone from a Pop culture collective. Arrows and knees and all that

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    Cassandra

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    I wanted to be an exhibitor at this show and I’ve tried for weeks to get some indication of when exhibitor packages would be available. (I’ll be flying from Interstate and you kinda need to organize these things well in advance.) And have heard nothing. I tried via their site and numerous times on their Facebook group. Jeffery Cruz (who is an Australian comic artist and usually an invited guest to these types of Cons) has also admitted having the same problem.
    While Carissa may think it’s good she can organize an event in 3 weeks, it’s nothing to be brag about. There isn’t even any ticketing info at the site, how can people plan for a trip interstate for a Con they don’t even have ticket prices for? There are also other events like cosplay that need a hell of a lot longer than 3 weeks to get ready for. Carissa is saying that people are hating on her and the Con but we’re not. We just want answers. I want this show to be successful because I love attending local events but I think I’ve all but given up now.
    Good luck to those of you who still want to attend this Con.

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      Rob

      Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      Right. I was pretty surprised at the three weeks claim, especially as it was being worn as some sort of “I’m Awesome, Just Ask Me” badge. From where I’m sitting, a con, a show, whatever, thrown together in less than a month doesn’t speak of a sound business model. No wonder so many things are falling over in the pop culture landscape if people think they can do stuff at the last minute and expect Joe Public to drop everything, buy last minute air tickets (which are super expensive), and just show up when they snap their fingers. It just doesn’t work like that in reality.

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    Cassandra

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    I posted a link to this article on the OZ Comic Con Facebook page and it seems I’m now banned there. (I can’t post any more) And all of my previous requests for exhibitor info have been deleted.
    How nice.

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      S

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM

      That is their standard practice. Say something negative, eg wanting refund re a cancelled event and you get banned. I know many this has happened to

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        Cassandra

        Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        As a result I’m officially boycotting the Con and have informed many of my friends (who also wanted to attend as exhibitors) about their actions. It’s childish and not the way a business should be run.
        I wash my hands of them.

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          Clive

          Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:40 PM

          I went to the facebook page and I don’t think anyone can post anything on there. You can only add a reply to an existing post, is that what you did or have they changed it recently?

          p.s What do you exhibit?

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    Parker

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    It actually never occured to me that this event WAS affiliated with SDCC to be honest. I had a quick look at the half-done website and was intrigued, they have (had? tl;dr) some pretty cool guests.

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      Cassandra

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 6:05 PM

      I have 3 comments in the newest comment thread, all of them are now gone. I’m an Australian-based comic artist and sell Con sketches, prints, etc. etc. I’m not a big name yet but have worked with awesome industry pros such as Gail Simone and Sterling Gates.

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    Rob

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    If someone had faith in their business model, they’d continue to use their existing company names /or/ come up with something unique and let it stand on its own two feet. Using a name that has the potential to be confused with an iconic brand in the field leaves the local show open to criticism, whether warranted or not. Plus, I must add, “… the Down Under debut of Oz Comic-Con…” absolutely suggests its been a con elsewhere and is now coming to Australia.

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    Vincenzo

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Only worth going if there will be hot chicks dressing up sexy cosplay costumes.

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    Penmonicus

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Here’s the article I read where I first heard of it:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-19/comic-con-adelaide/3738354?section=sa

    Looking at it now, I guess it technically doesn’t explicitly say that the events ARE linked, but it certainly looks as though the author, and the Tourism Minister, are under the impression that this is the case.

    Well, either that, or neither of them have ever heard of there being existing Pop Culture Expo brands.

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    Ozoneocean

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Hmm… I just got an Email from the San Diego Comic Con guys this morning about my professional badge thingo. I’m really tossing up about going again this year. This Adelaide thing was swaying me against it, thinking that it’d be a closer alternative, but now…
    I just don’t know. I won’t be going to Adelaide of course, but still not sure if I want to see another SDCC.

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    KRS1

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Who gives a flying rats? Why do we always care what the Yanks are doing, and how does the name add or subtract credibility? No longer the greatest nation in the world… check the exchange rate.

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    Clive

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    Don’t Bill and Rob both run Armageddon together? This story implies that there is outrage amongst the Convention community when the only two people speaking out against Carissa are people that seem to have had a bad business falling out with her. It’s just my opinion but isn’t splashing the supernova logo across the article putting them in the same boat even though no one from supernova has said anything. Kind of like the associative marketing plan for Oz Comic Con. I don’t mean to Troll but it just smells like your trying to start a flame war of some kind. Or maybe I am bias as I have only ever been to supernova events and they seemed nice

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      SC3

      Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:28 PM

      there are quotes from other convention organizers they just didn’t want to be referenced mainly because of Hub productions history of threatening to sue others.

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        Clive

        Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM

        ““They’re clearly and obviously leveraging off the Comic-Con brand despite no affiliation to any of the North American events that use the name,” claimed one high ranking expo organiser.” Good point, but hardly the industry out cry as this seems to be the only other voice in the mix and only one passing comment. Maybe that enough but it still seems a little engineered against Oz Comic Con.

        Also, How is the history of lawsuits common knowledge for convention goers? No seriously, how does one find out about the Hubs history of threatening to sue with out being on the receiving end? I am genuinely curious

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          SC3

          Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM

          hubs organizers aren’t exactly quiet about their lawsuit behavior. most retailers have heard stories feel free to ask some.

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    DW

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    I’m amused by the fact that Bill Geradts is so upset and put out because this event could affect the numbers for his precious NZ based shows when pretty much anyone who has been in dealings with these three major convention companies is aware that Bill did the exact same thing to Supanova only a couple years ago, after breaking his deal with that company and screwing them over.

    Karma anyone?

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      jane

      Friday, January 13, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      How could Oz comic con affect the numbers of people that attend the NZ conventions? How is that even relevant to the fact that Hub productions is trading on the reputation of comic con international? I dont understand you comment at all.

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    Nathan

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    April Fools anyone? Check the dates in the lead photo.

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    ConGoer

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    And then look what Supanova did to Gen Con OZ. Initially SN had two shows (April / October) and Gen Con was on in June. Then suddenly there were 4 SN shows, and the October event disappeared only to be replaced by Sydney and Perth SN events 2 weeks before and 1 week before (respectively) Gen Con OZ’s first attempt at a show. That was announced after I’m sure Gen Con had paid deposits for venues, etc.

    I think Mr Houlihan’s point is that there is some backstabbing going on from all angles and from every event where everyone is attempting to frak everyone else over.

    SN I don’t think is as innocent as people might think.

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      Rob

      Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      Well, at the end of the day, whether that’s true or not… so what? Any convention is, at the end of the day, a business. No matter what spin people put on it, or who wants to play ‘shiny happy people’ with each other publicly, the reality is that it’s still business and, I suppose, a lot of the people who attend these things (largely younger folk who have never had a real job, let alone managed a large project of any kind), perhaps don’t understand that business is… well… business. Why should any business “play nice” with any competitor? The answer is, they shouldn’t be expected to. All of this is, of course, taking us off-topic from the original piece. But I think it just needed to be said, all the same.

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        ConGoer

        Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

        That might be true Rob. I was merely pointing out that nobody is squeaky clean.

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          Cole C

          Friday, January 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM

          Dude, seriously.. are you saying that Supanova maliciously moved their event from October to dates just before Gen Con to sabotage them?!?! Given that Gen Con Oz was in Brisbane and Supanova was in Perth and Sydney how much affect would that really have had? I am someone who travels to Cons interstate to get my geek on :)) but surely the typical fan base would be local?

          By your brilliant detective work, you might as well say that Oz Comic Con is purposely attacking Supanova by being 2 weeks (Oz Comic Con Adelaide) before their 1st show (Supanova Melbourne) for 2012. But riddle me this! :) How do you explain the shift in strategy to have Oz Comic Con Melbourne Follow Sydney and Perth Supanova in June/July?

          Whatever the case, good luck to all the Cons–current and future. The more successful they are the more we the fans benefit by having choice and variety in guests!

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            ConGoer

            Friday, January 13, 2012 at 6:35 PM

            Ah Mr Cole. Clearly you don’t really know how the Pop Culture industry works and how some people act behind the scenes. I wish I had your naivety. Having been involved in at least 8 shows of varying names over the last 10 years or so, I can tell you that this was a direct move against Gen Con – but was caused as a direct result of a tiff that Bill and Dan had when their events clashed in 2007. From my experience they are all just as bad as each other, other the family team of Ian & Felice who tried (and lost) everything to put on a good show only to be f***ed over by at least two “well known” organisers in the pop culture. They made their mistakes, as many first time event managers do (and they were big ones), but I’ve found them to be the most “honest” of all those who I’ve dealt with.

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              Jane

              Saturday, January 14, 2012 at 8:35 AM

              If you look at the Armageddon expo history page you will see that 2007 was the year Armageddon expanded into the oz market. The NZ shows have been running for more than 10 years when they began running shows in OZ. the tiff between bill and Dan as you describe it was to do with the fact Armageddon and supernova could no longer share guests at the same time because there dates no longer allowed for it. This was a purely business matter but not a personal tiff.

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              Cole C

              Wednesday, January 18, 2012 at 1:19 AM

              What’s naive “ConGoer” is that you presume to know how involved or uninvolved someone is with conventions as if you’re some hero in the scene rather than just some keyboard warrior.

              Have another think about what you’re saying. Supanova moves against GenCon because Armageddon and Supanova supposedly have a “tiff”? Gee, Armageddon must be really upset at Supanova for such an amazing retaliatory move.

              You may say you wish for my naivety but gee I’m grateful for not having your poor logic, lack of knowledge or smarminess. As much as I wish that the 3 organisers you mention would put you in your place, I doubt they’ll give you the time of day by weighing in.

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    Ananda

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    “Everyone that we’ve announced has signed contracts. We would not announce a guest unless we have a contract.”

    Wow, Carissa is really saying this? This is not true.

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    ABitBiased

    Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Let me preface by saying that while not a paid employee of Hub, I do know some of the people that work there pretty well and have known them for many years.

    This is a complete storm in a teacup as far as I’m concerned. It appears to me that, having been exhibitors at Gencon/Supanova/Army over the years, Hub have decided that they can do it better.

    Have they been a bit misleading in the naming? In hindsight sure – maybe they could have gone with “Hub Pop Culture Expo” and everyone would be happy.

    They would have also missed out on all this free promotion in the ‘any publicity is good publicity’ vein that the naming has got them.

    The people at Hub are big genre fans, and it seems to me that they do what they do for the love of the genre first, and financial gain second.

    Do they make mis-steps along the way? Sure – who doesn’t. Do they have to cancel events due to artists pulling out, or poor sales? Sure – you would do the same!

    I’ve attended Genconoz (sad that it folded – I got to meet Tracy Hickman!!), Supanova many times, and one Hub event (which can I say was smoothly run).

    I think there is definitely room for improvement in the popculture expo space, and room for the competition that the Hub are providing. If they pull it off, good on them!

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    ABitBiased

    Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Oh and furthermore, Stan Lee’s agent has posted a reply to the article over on Kotaku.

    Everyone should read that before jumping to any conclusions.

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    Naje

    Friday, January 13, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    To be fair, Dan does this sort of thing a lot. We have the Australian Conventions Alliance for a reason, yet he constantly screws over other cons. I hope this goes burst and Dan gets screwed over. He’s everything that is wrong with the convention scene. I feel I can say this after dealing with him on a professional level as both a trader at SupaNova and a member of another convention’s board.

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      HUh?

      Friday, January 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      To be fair? Please stop spreading lies. How exactly did Supanova screw over the other events?

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      Anon

      Friday, January 13, 2012 at 11:45 PM

      Oh please, the ACA was simply set up years ago as an anti-Animania bitchfest group by the non-profit cons, Madman and Supanova. Stop putting weight on something that’s basically an excuse for lunch and drinks for the super secret squirrel club.

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