The NBN is still highly politically provocative project, no matter which side of the fence you sit on. Politics aside, there’s a lot of confusion regarding the NBN. NBN Co’s launched a video series designed to clarify a few key points.
I suspect for many Giz readers there won’t be too much to learn here, but I do know a few people who could well do with watching them to learn some basics, and that’s the market they’re aimed for. What do you reckon — will they hit the market that NBN Co reckons they will the right way?
[NBN Co]
Dawesi
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:22 PMUm… ipads and phone use wireless or mobile networks? There will be no wireless where there is fibre? misleading, unusual for Gillard program to mislead…
Also by older technology, do you mean the millions of km of fibre that other companies currently have in the ground? The NBN will provide NO DIFFERENCE in internet, other than speed and for ADSL 2+ customers, pretty much no difference whatsoever.
Umm… it’s not ‘Bewdy’… it’s ‘Beauty’… as in That’s a Beauty… how unaustralian… can’t even get the slang of our country right… was this done overseas?
Matt
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PMWow, considering I work for an ISP and have actually taken the time to learn how the infrastructure works, your incoherent argument almost made my head explode.
Especially that bit when you said “The NBN will provide NO DIFFERENCE in internet, other than speed and for ADSL 2+ customers, pretty much no difference whatsoever.” I could honestly not toll if you were trolling or you’re generally Tony Abotts ass on a computer.
awallafashagba
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:53 PMyou will not rise to that post …
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Vron
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 12:49 AMDnt wry Matt, Dawesi is the LNP’s last hope of creating a stir…, they are full of it and have no proper solution !, I am ashamed that I voted for ONCE upon a time…, they have created an image of shame ever since !
RB
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:55 PMnot sure if serious…
HMac7
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 9:54 PMBewdy Is perfectly acceptable Australian Slang. Thank you ‘Dawesi’. Now that sounds Aussie.
Antonia
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 10:55 PMThe word might be “beauty” but its pronounced “Bewdy” and as slang is something that is supposed to be spoken “Bewdy” is the correct spelling.
Phil Collins
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:36 PMUm… Dawsi:
1. Mobile networks need fibre.
2. iPads and iPhones use Wi-Fi, which most people use on the end of their fixed broadband line.
3. “Millions of km of fibre…” like where? That is a bit misleading if you ask me.
awallafashagba
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:46 PMi will not rise to this post …..
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RB
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM““Millions of km of fibre…” like where? That is a bit misleading if you ask me.”
I think he’s referring to the backhaul, which NBN isn’t actually replacing anyway.
NBN is replacing the existing copper between the exchange and your house with fiber (and possibly not to your old exchange if the new POI is located elsewhere). The backhaul fiber that already exists connecting all the exchanges will just be migrated to the new POIs and still act on a wholesale basis.
Infrastructure competition for last mile connections is pointless, costly and leads to cherrypicking in the more cost effective location (just see the Cable wars that Telstra and Optus undertook in the 90s). This is essentially what NBN is replacing.
richard
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:45 PMDawesi. you clearly have no clue about this so you really should keep you ignorance to yourself !
Andy
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM@Dawesi, you’re an idiot. I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but a lot of people have this thing called a wireless network in their home, which is much friendlier to your phone bill than using a data connection via SIM card. Pretty much every tablet out there has a “wireless only” model too. Yes, iPads included.
I’m not sure on this but I’m pretty sure the current fibre network is probably being utilised where it can be, but it’s no where near as comprehensive as the NBN. The infrastructure in place for the current fibre systems probably wouldn’t be able to support every household connecting to it. It’s a scalable technology too, remember?
And seriously, who cares how they spelt one word? You got the idea, didn’t you?
bear
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM@Dawesi, if you’re going to troll, at least get your facts correct.
JonBOY
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 6:05 PMThe ads are quite good in that they’re easy to understand and have a numerous aspect to them them. One criticism though though, I think NBN Co have sold themselves short by failing to highlight the dramatic improvement in connection speed the NBN will provide. Ie, they could have pointed out that with current technology households across Australia have an average internet speed of just 5-8Mbps, whereas with the NBN fibre connected households will be able to purchase speeds of up to 100Mbps.
I think they also should have made a point about how people that couldn’t get internet in the past (due to technology block such as pair gain) will now be able to get connected.
Dr Doom
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 6:09 PMOptus uses DOCSIS3 at the moment. im on it and im getting the speeds theorized by the NBN now. its not fibre to the door but its fibre to the street and coaxial to the house.
RB
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 11:12 AMIssue with cable tho is it still has a lower theoretical maximum limit than fiber due to still using electronic signals through copper wires, and having the bottlenecks caused by crosstalk, attenuation and interference. Fiber technology’s maximum limit is determined by the endpoint devices, and that technology is improving rapidly to increase these speeds well beyond what cable will ever be capable of.
Stew
Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 6:37 PMThose vids are pretty good! Very “edutaining”.
Scott
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 12:20 AMi think they are a bit limited in advising the public exactly what they need to / will be installed in their house. just saying “relevant hardware” is a free game for ISP’s to sell granny something she doesnt need.
also the 3rd video, i was big confused by, and i have an understanding of the nbn box, not sure they average consumer would take it.
Seven13
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 7:54 AMI’m getting really sick of people knocking the NBN. 1- It’s happening, will continue to happen and any attempt to stop it is unlikely to succeed (cough*TonyAbbot*cough- and Yes, I normally vote Liberal) 2- It will VASTLY improve speed, availability, quota and price of the average Australians internet connection. 3- It will deliver services that most people not involved in IT don’t even realise are possible yet (and No, I’m not just talking about the ability to get a physical by your doctor on your flat screen)
Coaxial and similar are fine, but they are competing networks and as people have already said, competing for the last 3 miles of cabling to a home is pointless, jacks up prices and generally screws things up. Come ON people, its been budgeted, we’re not gonna go bankrupt building it and its EXCITING!!!!
RB
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 11:16 AM4 – Once the fiber is in place it’s a pretty trivial process to upgrade the equipment at both ends to make use of new breakthroughs in optical switching, and push the 100mbps data rate to 1gbps and above as time passes. A lot harder to achieve these sorts of large upgrades with copper / hfc.
Seven13
Friday, November 18, 2011 at 8:00 AMP.S- All those people (Sorry Malcolm, you’re a good politician on the wrong side this time) who say we can use “current and upcoming wireless technologies” to the same effect and cheaper because of our vast size as a country…..Sorry but you show me a (mobile) wireless connection I can comfortably video conference on, while streaming a YouTube clip and checking my email simultaneously…..not even LTE will do that yet and it’ll be a while….