Nokia’s New Windows Phones: Lumia 800, 710 Hands-On

The guys at Gizmodo US flew all the way to London and crashed on a friend’s couch just to tell you all about the new hotness from Nokia. Why? Because this is important: Windows Phone has long been a legit competitor in need of some beast hardware. It just got it.

As promised, Nokia just threw a significant pile of chips on the smartphone table with two sweetnew Windows Phones, The Lumia 800 and the Lumia 710. Though they looked awesome from afar, they look mighty appealing up close as well.

The Lumia 800

The Flagship of the day, the much-leaked 800 has all the bits and blinkies to be legitimately worth thinking about when buying a new phone. In typical Nokia fashion, the phone is a gorgeous piece of hardware. We’ll keep updating the post updated as we learn more, but here’s what we know:

- It runs Windows Phone Mango. Duh. More: Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Australian Impressions
- 1.4 Ghz processor with hardware graphics acceleration.
- 3.7-inch curved 800×480 AMOLED display
- 16GB of onboard storage
- Injection-molded polycarbonate skin that’s designed to optimize antenna function.
- It’s available in cyan, magenta, black, black, black, and black.
– Zeiss optics and an “optimized” LED flash on the f2.2 camera. It’s packing 8MP and shoots 720p at 30 fps, although we wish it were joined by a front-facing sibling.
- The design is based on the N9—it looks just about the same, though without the bulginess.
- Leaked specs say it’s 116.5 x 61.2 x 12.1mm, but we’ll get you some side-by-sides soon.
- 512 MB of RAM, which is basically table stakes. And Windows Phone certainly isn’t resource-heavy.
- A 1450mAh battery, which is solid but not a killer spec. In fact, all of the guts seem pretty basic.

- Nokia is really pushing two new apps: a turn-by-turn navi called Nokia Maps (original!) that guides you based on a combination of offline and downloadable maps, and Nokia Music, which has something called MixRadio that let’s you listen to pre-populated playlists on or offline. Kinda yawn, but the navi could be nice. Really wish it had Google Maps though.

- Headed to the US in “early 2012,” although Europe gets them Nov. 16th. Stay tuned for any Australian news. No word on international pricing, but it’s going to be €420.

Lumia 800 Hands On

Remember the N9? It’s basically that on a diet. Or if you’re not familiar with Nokia’s flagship Meego phone (and why would you be?), remember the last vertical iPod Nano? It’s basically that, but wider and fatter. Not that it’s a chunkster; it feels great in the hand, good in the pocket, and solid overall. Balanced.

A lot of that solidity comes from the 800′s polycarbonate body. It’s seamless, literally, the way a hockey puck or an egg is seamless, without feeling as stoic as those. It’s not as robust as a glassy iPhone or (we giddily assume) a kevlar Razr. But compared to the plasticky backside of the Samsung Focus, it’s a worlds-apart improvement.

The screen is improved, too, and Samsung’s was plenty sparkling to begin with. Nokia got Microsoft to let them use the company’s signature blue on its tiles, which is an aesthetic victory as much as it is a corporate one. There’s a curve here, just prominent enough to appreciate but also subtle enough not to get in the way.

It’s fast. That’s the first question you have about the Lumia 800 based on those specs, and you get the answer the second you touch it. Tiles almost swipe before you do. And it’s a specific kind of fast; you can get where you’re going quickly enough with a Samsung Focus, but there are too many miscues, too many misfired touches. Everything feels precise: typing, swiping, scrolling. Everything does what you want it to do, quicker and more exacting.

What else? The camera is quick and crisp, very Carl Zeissian. App switching is also efficient and speedy, although the internet at Nokia World was busted to the point that we couldn’t check browsing speeds. Overall, though, this is a very good start for Windows Phone. Albeit a year after its release.

The Lumia 710

So this one was a bit of a surprise! We hadn’t heard a peep about the 710 until a couple days ago, but this puppy looks sweet as well:

- Yes, Windows Phone. I don’t know why I’m bothering to mention that, except that I’m very tired.
- Also packs 512MB of RAM.
- Only 8GB of storage, though, and it looks like no SD slot for expansion.
- The screen’s less brilliant, too: WVGA TFT.
- And the camera’s a 5MP job, which rounds out the good-enough-not-great spec parade.
- This one’s going to be €270, but again, we have no idea how much it’ll be if it actually does come to Australia.
- It’s slightly chunkier than the 800—the leaks say 119 x 62.4 x 12.5mm, but this keynote is the opposite of specific.
- Also headed to the US in early 2012, and to EU November 16th.

Lumia 710 Hands On

Let’s just say this upfront: the Lumia 710 is the more affordable model, so if anything disappointed you about the Lumia 800 you’re going to be positively downtrodden here. Not that it seems at all like a bad phone. It just feels like another in a string of okay Windows Phone handsets.

Remember that seamless 800? Its counterpart feels like nothing but seams, thanks in part to a removable backplate but more to its plasticky, thrown-together aesthetic. The camera is slightly less good. In fact, we can pretty much sum it up with: It’s not bad, but everything is slightly less good. There.

Good Enough or Great?

It seems clear that Nokia’s given Windows Phone its purdiest, sturdiest hardware to date, by far, which is welcome news for Microsoft and WP fans. But reading down the spec sheet makes Lumia feel like a partial answer to a modest prayer; there’s nothing here, other than maybe the Lumia 800′s camera, that sets it apart from any other handset on any other platform. If anything, it lags behind, especially given its 2012 release date.

But as Apple has shown with iPhone after iPhone, specs and performance are two very different things.

Discuss

(32 Comments)
  • [–]

    wes

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 5:29 AM

    “And it’s a specific kind of fast; you can get where you’re going quickly enough with a Samsung Focus, but there are too many miscues, too many misfired touches. Everything feels precise: typing, swiping, scrolling. Everything does what you want it to do, quicker and more exacting.”

    So is that a Yay or a Nay? It seems like the author has been biased right from the start while writing this article. Talking about how precise the device is then complaining about it?

    • [–]

      MotorMouth

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM

      He was being critical of the Samsung Focus and saying the 800 is much more precise and responsive than it.

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    MotorMouth

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM

    One thing that has just occurred to me – the N9 and 800 don’t have replaceable batteries, do they? Could be a negative for me, otherwise I’d love to upgrade to an 800 next year.

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    Awnshegh

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    No forward facing camera – no upgrade for me. Which is disappointing as we all know Nokia make some pretty schmick hardware.

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    Johnny P

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Fail. Nokia had a chance to woo the market and they have failed. They have gone backwards in the camera department. Oct 2010 they had a 12MP camera which shot amazing photos on their flagship device now its back to 8MP (on par at best with other devices) and no forward facing camera. Its a nice windows phone and better than whats out there but it has no hope of touching the iPhone.

    • [–]

      Gabriel

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM

      I’d say maybe 1% of Earth’s population have ever printed a photo so large that it required a 12MP camera to look crisp… if the quality of the camera is good than 8MP is more than enough

      • [–]

        Isaac

        Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:28 AM

        More to the point it’s a camera phone, if you’re expecting quality photos from a phone you are doing it wrong. That being said an 8mp image off of a chip that small will look worlds better than a 12mp image off of a chip that small, it’s a shame some people still buy into megapickles as a way of gauging a camera.

      • [–]

        Steve

        Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:34 PM

        The ignorant can’t seem to get it past their heads that with no change in sensor and lens, extra megapixels doesn’t mean squat. With phone photography, this adage is especially true.

    • [–]

      Steve

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:16 PM

      Harvey Norman loves people like you.
      “12MP > 8MP. 12 MP betta!”

  • [–]

    Oz

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    was goign to get this if it was exactly like the N9 but with WP7. no front facing cam, on 16GB is putting me off for now. hopefully the is a 800′s’ verison that comes out hahaha

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    TSH

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM

    We’ve had front-facing cameras on phones for aaaaages now, and nobody’s used them. Hell, Facetime remains one of Apple’s rare marketing fails: nobody I know actually used it beyond the first week of owning their iP4/s.

    As the article says: Apple has shown time and again that it’s not the hardware that makes a phone good. Provided the hardware is *adequate*, it’s industrial design (check) and slick software (check). MS is dictating the minimum WP7 requirements with an iron fist, ensuring the experience is good.

    Voda UK has picked up Lumia 800 – here’s hoping Voda AU gets some Lumia 800 lovin’ also, and soon.

    • [–]

      markd

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM

      I disagree about facetime, in the business I’m in we use it over straight voice calls every time, and at home we often use it within the family – though in both cases we use it because of the ability to use the back camera not the front!

      • [–]

        Steve

        Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM

        But that’s beside the point. Video-calling works, but it’s very limited and the ‘future’ where people will talk face-to-face all the time like on Star Trek will never happen because it’s awfully impractical. You can only really use it stationary, usually sitting down, and in privacy. Right now, my front-facing camera only ever serves as a mirror and for taking mugshots.

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    brent3000

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM

    The front facing cam would have been nice considering its ment to be part of the ‘standard’ with WP7.

    I wont be upgrading my HD7 with one of these due to the small size… WHich is a shame..

    But the size im sure will win alot of users over.. But thats only if it gets here at a reasonable time…

    • [–]

      MotorMouth

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 12:22 PM

      To each his own. I like my phones small and even the 800 seems bigger than I’d like. It is one sexy piece of hardware, though. My ZuneHD’s 3.3″ OLED screen is perfectly usable. I’d love to have a phone the same size a my ZuneHD but unfortunately they are all much, much bigger.

  • [–]

    Joe P

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:44 AM

    Let’s just hope that Nokia hasn’t piled on any bloatware.

  • [–]

    BenDTU

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:49 AM

    That Lumia 710 just proved that budget smartphones don’t have to be awful.

    • [–]

      Steve

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM

      The 710 is not a ‘budget phone.’ It’s $375 USD, which is realistically, $500 AUD. The two current top-of-the-line Android phones (Samsung Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation) can be purchased at this price, or even cheaper.

      Budget is the < $300 market. Aka the point at which dumbphone users will consider ponying up the extra bit to get a smartphone. This is the market of the HTC Salsa and Samsung Galaxy Ace.

      Nokia thinks they'll claim the budget market, but these prices are awfully out-of-touch.

      • [–]

        Bob

        Monday, October 31, 2011 at 11:35 PM

        $375 USD in not $500 AUD!! Have you had a look at how good the australian dollar is doing atm??!!

  • [–]

    Fitzy

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 11:53 AM

    ahh but how do you unlock it?!? LoL :D

  • [–]

    dj

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    looks like i’m gonna be stuck with my mozart for a while

  • [–]

    chris

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM

    lawsuit for looking like an ipod.. we all now know they don’t have to be anywhere near the same size at all for an injunction

  • [–]

    LC

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 1:35 PM

    “specs and performance are two very different things”
    Please put this in front of all product specs when you review products from now on, becuase it is so true that some people look at specs and thinks that is all that matters.

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    Sicarius123

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    16GB is really pathetic for a 2011 smart phone. I know the rest of the specs in WP7 don’t matter, and it’s far more optimised than android, but I feel like this phone with its lack of front facing camera and decent storage could of been rushed to market months ago.

    I expected a flagship device after waiting so long, and was disappointed.

    • [–]

      MotorMouth

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM

      Really? How often do you use video chat or anything else that requires a front-facing camera? Even if it was there, I would never want to use it. As for 16Gb, do you know what percentage of iPhone customers opt for bigger capacity? I’m guessing that Nokia know how much storage most people are happy with and are simply trying to keep costs reasonable. After all, you can get up to 64Gb in the N9, so it should be possible here, too. Personally, I don’t need anywhere near the 8Gb of my current phone. Sure, I filled it up with music but unless it has enough capacity to fit my entire collection (62Gb and counting), then 8 or 16 or 32Gb is all the same to me.

      • [–]

        Steve

        Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

        “do you know what percentage of iPhone customers opt for bigger capacity?”

        If Whirlpool’s any guide, then most. Of course, these are typically tech-savvy users. I know my mother doesn’t use a fraction of her iPhone 4′s 16 GB, but for people who want to get the most out of their phones, 16GB is cutting it awfully thin. With an ample music library, you’re also going to want some storage for movies/television and then there’s apps.

        With 16GB, the least you could do is throw in a micro SD card reader.

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    MotorMouth

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    I just noticed in the photos that the 710 seems to have physical buttons, not touch jobbies. From reading other comments, that could be a desirable feature for a lot of people. It also looks quite like my Samsung Focus, which is a great looking phones.

    • [–]

      markd

      Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

      If you think PDA’s from 1998 are great, yes :P

  • [–]

    Gordon

    Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

    I can live without a front-facing camera, and I believe that the specs are probably adequate for a genuinely good experience.
    16GB MIGHT be enough, but I am disappointed at the lack of a MicroSD reader. I thought it was standard these days that all phones had at least a camera, a micro/mini usb port for charging/pc connection and a microSD reader. (I’m ignoring Apple here, I know). Even dumbphones have all this these days, don’t they?
    Disappointed.

    Might still get one though, depending on pricing. I don’t NEED that much music.

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    SImon

    Friday, October 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    I never thought I would own a Nokia again, wow Nokia, WOW!
    I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these, I can tell you now I won’t be waiting for it’s release in Australia, plenty of online stores will be selling them in a couple of weeks. It’s already showing up on the Mobi City site.

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    ShandMan

    Saturday, October 29, 2011 at 5:19 AM

    Bigger screen…more storage……dual core…enough!!
    Are you really going to pour your entire life into a piece of hardware?! Why would you need a screen over 4″? To watch movies?! Get a life! The Nokia hardware is great! To be honest I have better things to do than search millions of software for my phone. IT’S A PHONE! Not a camera, not a TV, not a stereo, not a notebook computer! All I see is a bunch of people falling for the marketing of a product! Nokia and windows has a great product and I plan on using it a phone with a few options to make my life easier and not complicate it!

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    shivam

    Tuesday, November 8, 2011 at 1:43 AM

    its looking so hot n sexy i will wait for it

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