According to whistleout.com.au, when pricing for NBN services is compared on a per GB basis to ADSL2+, it’s going to be cheaper once line rental costs are taken into account.
Once you look into the whistleOut research, that does pre-suppose that you’re comparing something like apples and apples. If you choose the fastest speeds or 100Mbps from the NBN, you’ll pay more than many of the current ADSL2+ plans offered by companies that have announced NBN plans.
One of the interesting bits of data that’s in the whistleOut report is that it would take about nine days to download 1TB of data using ADSL2+. That drops to just over seven hours with the fastest NBN speeds. Given that we live in the age of terabyte storage, there’s a compelling case for the NBN there for our online backups.
There’s loads of interesting information in their study. You can read all about it at WhistleOut.
NBN Pricing Analysis vs ADSL2+ [WhistleOut]
Antonia
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:09 PMWhile cost is important being overly focused on cost is not. Years ago, when I started with a mobile phone it was costing me $10 per month. Now the cost is over $70 per month. Yes the cost is significantly higher but I get a phone that was undreamt of back then and internet access faster than my cable was back then.
Pants
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:18 PMwhat plan, apples to apples, replaces my $59.95 a month TPG unlimited ADSL 2+ (including Line Rental in that price)..
That is what i want to know..
Drew
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:30 PMProbably the TPG Unlimited NBN plan when they start selling NBN?
Dad
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:23 PMYou are doing well. I pay $110/month to Telstra for ADSL2+ (including line rental). That’s for 100GB/month. I live 1500 metres from my exchange and get about 8MB on a good day. I cannot change providers because there are no spare lines in the street.
Steve
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 5:24 PMYou can switch you’re just not trying hard enough.
I am on the same unlimited with TPG and guess what it means my $300.00 a month mobile usage only costs me $9.00 a month too! Honestly why are the big companies still getting away with charging so much. Oh.
Beware of large groups of dumb people.
Ed
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 7:54 PMUtter, utter bollocks. Lots people like me are serviced by either ISAM or CMUX cabinets, which are owned by Telstra. They’re the size of a fridge and you MUST have a PSTN line and you MUST order a Telstra wholesale service.
So you people with ADSL2+ Naked who piss on the NBN can please put a sock in it!
Ed
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 7:55 PMBy “size of a fridge” I mean NOBODY else can put their DSLAM in it, so it’s Telstra wholesale or nothing. And in my case it maxes out at ADSL1 8Mb/s. No ADSL2. At all.
Wok
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:29 PMUm… what’s line rental?
Ollie
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:28 PMRhetorical question?
moloko
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:41 PMI can’t get ADSL2 so i guess it’s cheaper
Craig
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:51 PMWhat a load of rubbish.
I have an ADLS2+ connection. I pay $35 per month with 100gig download allowance.
It takes me about 6 minutes to download an Hour TV show and about 1 hour to download a Movie. AND i have NO line rental.
So i pay 35 cents per GIG and I get speeds of up to 20mb. I’m pretty sure I don’t want anything to do with the NBN.
Something I don’t think people realise also is that the Fibre Optics all have to be replaced in 15 years. This is why no other country has done what this stupid government is doing. Copper is still the way to go.
James
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:09 PMThey are comparing the plans from those who have announced NBN plans. And those who have, they are the higher priced ISP’s anyway. When guys like TPG come in, we should see prices come down.
RB
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:24 PMI love the smell of FUD in the morning :)
Drew
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:25 PMAmerica, Canada, Russia, and many others have extensive fibre networks.
15 years is inaccurate and misleading. It is well beyond 30 years and that is when it may stop operating at optimum capacity, however this is just a guess and fibre cables can still be used at full capacity for many many decades after that.
In just the same way as most of the copper in Australia is three to ten times beyond its supposed life span.
typedmillepede
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:28 PMyou must be the only guy in australia who gets this. i get 3mb/s on a good day with adsl 2+.
Biff
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:30 PMAre you serious?!
Copper in Australia is at least 15 years past its use-by date. Fibre on the other hand can last for 30+ years and does not yet have a limit to the amount of data that it can transmit.
You are one of the small minority that enjoys high speed ADSL2+, the rest of us however are stuck with very low speeds, myself included, and I live within 600m to an exchange.
The rest of us should not miss out just because you are content with you current connection.
How do I know all of this? I work in the telecommunications industry.
MDolley
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:55 PMYou completely ignore the fact that one of the biggest advantages of the NBN is the coverage. It’s not all about you! There are people who can’t get ADSL2 because they are on a RIM or their exchange hasn’t been upgraded or they are too far from the exchange.
Moved house recently? Until you try and connect it’s all guess work trying to work out if you will get good internet. That just doesn’t work when you work from home and need fast internet to do your job.
If you are happy with your current plan then fine, stay on it.
Let’s just assume that all of your taxes go towards some policy that I don’t agree with and all of my tax money goes to the NBN. That way we can both be happy.
Cong
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 1:57 PMCraig what makes you say that Fibre Optics all have to be replaced in 15 years?
Craig
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:01 PMCong,
It was in a report I read about the cables that are being hung in the air.
Its something that Transact is looking at at the moment because a lot of the transact Fibre network is hung on power poles. Transact is in the ACT. has been for over 10 years.
Cong
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:05 PMOkay maybe that might be the case in ACT but isn’t the majority of the NBN going to be underground?
Craig
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:06 PMNot in the suburbs no. It will be hung with power lines.
A5
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:12 PMNo it’ll be in the Telstra pits, ie underground.
dazza
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:16 PMall the work ive seen in the suburbs has been underground, along with telstra stuff
Cong
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:29 PMI thought NBN was trying to buy access to the Telstra underground conduits.
RB
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:32 PMThey are (and as of yesterday, have)…
Roll on NBN!
lambomann007
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:23 PMYay! You found the reply button! :D
Rhys
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:17 PMhaha!
Ollie
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:32 PMAll the stuff in Tassie so far is hung from poles. They’ve now done the deal with Telstra to use their conduits where possible.
*shrugs* I had enough of a rant about this on LH, so I’m not going to repeat here. In it’s simplest, until you’ve used it don’t bitch about it. NBN is simply awesome.
Multiple Torrents + VOIP + IPTV + streaming media + transferring files across your own network and still having tonnes of bandwidth left to game = Priceless.
Show me how to do that on ADSL whilst still having about half the latency.
Rob
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:52 PMSo in essence the country is paying this massive amount of money for a network that most people don’t want, in order that some kids can torrent and online game simultaneously. Yeah… not sure that copyright violation is really the way to be selling this.
Liam
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:58 PMI love how closeminded people can be, i’m sure at one stage the thought of mobile phones was ridiculous, “why would i need to carry a phone around I can just find a pay phone or wait till I get home”.
You are aware that the increased bandwith will improve not only current use but will pave the way for future uses for this network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
Tell me that when that’s available you’ll be able to have your kids streaming HD TV at the same time as you check your emails or even read gizmodo without it lagging or buffering on ADSL2+
RB
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:06 PMGovernment is issuing bonds for the funding of the build, so the ‘country’ is not actually paying for it (in a sense).
Who are these ‘most people’ you speak of? MOST PEOPLE I know can’t wait to have the NBN pass their houses, thanks to incompetent handling of blackspots caused by poor quality copper / rim / pairgain systems installed by the ‘private sector’ telcos that the Libs are happy to hand back the control of the infrastructure to.
Dad
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:19 PMBonds have to be repaid plus interest. We are paying for it.
Monk
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 8:13 PMRepaid with interest… from monies earned trading… sorry, not seeing the problem. Except of course for the problem of people getting in the way and trying to stop it… which by your own logic will cost tax-payers a bundle. So doesn’t your logic dictate that you should support it as much as possible in order that it make a profit so you don’t have to pay for it out of your meager tax bill?
A5
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:07 PMFibre has a lifespand of 25-40 years, Tansact cables hanging from powerpoles are not fibre. NBN fibre will be mostly underground.
Liam
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:18 PMWell that will be an impressive feat, I guess none of the new suburbs in the ACT get NBN seeing as all the power is run underground and I haven’t seen a powerline near my house for over 10 years.
Seileromon
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 2:34 PMCraig, please post a reference to report, can’t seem to find anything on the web about needing to replace the fibre which is hung on poles in 15 years, perhaps its a reference to the to the need to replace the poles as they wear out but the fibre would stay in place same as the power cables do now. I think you’ll find that initally the fibre was hung on poles due to the NBN not having access to Telstra’s pits and ducts, now the deal is done it will use those in a majority of locations other than where current telephony is already hung on poles.
Nitrobuggies
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:05 PMI don’t drive, prefer to walk and use public transport. So why are we building new roads and expanding current ones?? Why are they producing new cars for, my mates old one works fine. Stupid car companies.
*above is sarcasm*
While some people may get VoIP to work at their locality, I myself live to far from an exchange to be able to access this technology. A YouTube music video even on low quality (ie not using 720p) I need to let it load almost all the way before I can play it. If they were to build an exchange near by, then I would not complain about the ADSL2 broadband service in Australia. But it is seriously sub par (my iPhone on OPTUS regularly beats it out on speediest.net) and IMO this is a major issue holding back this country in terms of productivity (slow unreliable Internet does effect business).
Just because today we don’t need 100mps or quicker, does not mean we won’t in the future (think online backups, quick easy cloud usage, etc). In 2000 I thought dial up was quick enough and we would not need much more at all. But obviously dial up now would be no where near enough.
But simple enough, don’t like the NBN, don’t use it when it comes out or move to a country without it.
Steve
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 5:30 PMSo basically you agree that you would be happy if they actually maintained the current network. Who says the new one will be maintained properly in 10-15 years.
I’m one of those people who would actually use the NBN to it’s fullest but I don’t think it’s worth the cost to run out to farms etc..
Whats wrong with getting them a decent and maintained ADSL2 to start with?
Nitrobuggies
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:05 PMI don’t drive, prefer to walk and use public transport. So why are we building new roads and expanding current ones?? Why are they producing new cars for, my mates old one works fine. Stupid car companies.
*above is sarcasm*
While some people may get VoIP to work at their locality, I myself live to far from an exchange to be able to access this technology. A YouTube music video even on low quality (ie not using 720p) I need to let it load almost all the way before I can play it. If they were to build an exchange near by, then I would not complain about the ADSL2 broadband service in Australia. But it is seriously sub par (my iPhone on OPTUS regularly beats it out on speediest.net) and IMO this is a major issue holding back this country in terms of productivity (slow unreliable Internet does effect business).
Just because today we don’t need 100mps or quicker, does not mean we won’t in the future (think online backups, quick easy cloud usage, etc). In 2000 I thought dial up was quick enough and we would not need much more at all. But obviously dial up now would be no where near enough.
Rhys
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:28 PMHas anyone read the news.com.au comments when ever they post NBN related articles. Their are so many people out there who are so ignorant to the good that will come from the NBN, they can only focus on the cost. And there are plenty of other “black holes” that the government wastes our money on. At least this is progress.
This will only make things better, at a price that pales in comparison to what it would cost to play catch up in another 20 years, when frustration and wireless network congestion would be harder to fix.
I for one am excited to tell Telstra where to go, as soon as they don’t own the cluster fuck they call a network, here in Kirwan.
Seileromon
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 5:45 PMWell do you really expect anything different from news.com.au? In my opinion it’s pushing a political agenda not reporting news, same goes for its comment screening process. I’ve stopped submitting comments on that site as I’ve found that for some reason if I make a comment pro NBN of for that matter pro Pricing Carbon it never makes it onto the site. It seems to me that the only way to guarantee a posting there is by making a mocking reference to the PM as “Juliar”.
Todd Hubers
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 3:28 PMFirst of all, such a comparison is very difficult to do, given the range of providers and plans.
Secondly, the entry level price is the most important. What is the cheapest entry level price for current internet, and what will the entry level be for the NBN? Because in the end, most of my non-technical friends just look at pictures on facebook/flicr and send emails/im, then the rest of their life involves getting out of the house!!
Sirrion
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 4:11 PMAt least it’s not $30b – $40b being spent on some muythical non existent strike figher jet or Cruumy Class submarines and a pile of second hand Choppers – oh wait we did that didn’t we. The NBN is at least something that’s there for all of us for the long term. We’ll all be patting ourselves on the back in about 20yrs if the NBN is completed and thinking “what were we so worried about”.
Greg
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 4:14 PMNow if only they could get off their asses and put the cable into areas like Forest Lake where there are people that can’t even get adsl1 and are told that wireless is their best (and only in some cases) option.
MDolley
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 4:43 PMYeah, moved to Forest Lake QLD earlier this year and it was a NIGHTMARE to try and find a place that actually had ADSL2
NBN FOR FOREST LAKE NOW!!!
Maybe we should start some sort of Occupy Forest Lake campaign?
ross
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 7:02 PMwhat about fibre to the home, just had the telstra blokes at my house fitting the connection, no idea when plans will be released for fibre to the home in south brisbane area
Brendan
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 7:42 PMseriously, its just propaganda after propaganda from both sides. what crap this is. you’ll use 10 times the data than you ever did before so how is this a comparison. As for anyone that says “we will be thankful in 20 years” – pigs arse. how do you know that? there’s every chance this will turn out just like one of this submarines or helicopters or fighter planes if the gov’t doesn’t speed up the roll out. There’s already delays in SA and I can’t think of a single government project that didn’t run over budget and over time.
Spend more and roll it out NOW! at least we will have a chance to get our $ worth.
Peter
Wednesday, October 19, 2011 at 9:12 PMSince we are all paying for the rollout via our taxes, you would want the ongoing montly chargers to be cheaper!
Paul
Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 12:03 PMI guess it’ll get cheaper as it’s completed. Let’s just hope Telstra don’t get their hands on owning any of it, they’ll raise the prices and act like assholes as if you should praise their efforts…
jeremy
Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 5:00 PMI need NBN, and so do 50% of the houses in my suburb. Close to an exchange and 5k from CBD, but thanks to a few to many double line households and no incentive for Telstra to do upgrades (ta ACCC, you wonks!) I can not get ADSL. I can get telstra cable, but only at inflated prices or stupidly low caps. Currently I use a mix of wireless, which is OK but expensive and somewhat flakey. Sadly NBN rollout in my suburb is unlikely anytime soon – labor has no interest in prioritising a green held area, and the libs will just kill the rollout because T.Scabbott is a complete trasher with no aim but his own deification.
So, probably no cookies for me :-)