
Last week’s opinion column regarding Android’s marketing efforts drew forth some hearty debate, and some interesting reader comments. I’m going to address them.
I’ve got to admit, I was a little nervous writing up last week’s column, if only because the commentariat here at Gizmodo tends to veer slightly more to the Android side of the fence when it comes to tablet issues. I’m relatively thick-skinned, but being flayed alive by a baying mob still stings a touch.
Thankfully, that didn’t happen; while many of you didn’t agree with me, things were civil and for the most part highly intelligent when it came to comments. Award yourself a gold star now!
There were a few repeated comments and ideas that sprouted up out of the article discussion; interesting stuff that I thought were worthy of a little more examination. If I’m being completely honest, I’m also stuck on a plane to Tokyo as I write this, so I’ve got nothing but time to spend on it.
A few simple ground rules: This is, once again, my opinion on matters. You’re free to disagree. I’ve chosen comments based on how they’ve engaged me, but my commentary on them is intended as analysis of a position, not an attack on the commenter in particular (which is why I’ve not named commenters specifically). In some cases I’ve slightly paraphrased the original comments, largely to distil the core ideas that (I think) lie behind them. I may have missed your point, and if so, I apologise; feel free to educate me as to the errors of my ways. You’re all free to have your own opinion, naturally.
And finally, yes, I know the rebuttal is usually presented by a party other than the original statement maker. But you’re reading this right now, and if I waited for every single one of you to write it, we’d be here all day, and there’d be a terrible fuss as everyone tried to reach the same keyboard.
Anyway, on with the rebuttal:
“The ipad2 is at the end of it’s marketing life. That’s why they’re suing Samsung.”
Nah. Sure, that’s a glib dismissal, but I simply don’t think the first part is entirely true as it relates to where the iPad 2 sits in the current tablet market.

Certainly, Apple is suing Samsung, and that’s a business tactic. As I stated last week, I’m not entirely convinced that if the tables were turned Samsung wouldn’t be doing the same thing. At the same time, Apple’s got a legendary reputation for quite hard-nosed business dealings with anyone and everyone, and I can’t ignore that. Equally, there’s a fair share of Samsung components in every single iPad, and plenty of other Apple products besides. Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me that much of the whole thing was settled with Samsung’s component producing arm agreeing to chop a quarter of a cent off the price of a capacitor, thus saving Apple a few lazy billion dollars. That kind of thing happens in business.
No, my dismissal of this is in the first part of the statement. Apple’s in no hurry to replace the iPad 2. Not any time soon, anyway. They’re still selling just fine, and whenever I read a rumour that suggests that the iPad 3 will be here by Christmas, I mentally file it away as interesting but a little insane. There’s little that’s genuinely challenging the iPad’s market position, and Apple would essentially be bleeding profits away from itself by launching a new model this quickly. Yes, all the early adopters and folks who line up for Apple stuff have their iPad 2 tablets by now, but there’s still that wider market that I addressed earlier. There’s a lot of market for Apple to make money from with the existing unit.
The final reason I’d present against this case is a price one. It seems only a matter of a couple of days wait between a given Android tablet being on special somewhere — we’ve recently seen cheap Acer Iconias and Asus Eee Transformer tablets, for example. They’re not on special for the fun of it; they’re on special because they’re not exactly flying off shelves otherwise. Indeed, from an enthusiast’s point of view, you could be very well served waiting a month or two on any hot Android tablet release in order to save yourself a few hundred dollars. Meanwhile, I can count on the fingers of no hands the number of price cuts the iPad 2 has seen over the many months it’s been on sale. Apple rarely discounts prices generally, but in the iPad 2′s case, there’s seemingly no need; they’re selling anyway.
“How Can Android Tablets Thrive? Easy. Ice Cream Sandwich.”

I don’t think it’s that easy. Not for a minute. Ice Cream Sandwich will expand the functionality of selected Android tablets, especially bearing in mind that it’s not at all certain that existing Honeycomb tablets will be updatable to Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes, I know it’s meant to be the ‘unifying’ Android release in theory, but there’s often a wide gulf between tech industry promises and the reality of them, especially when it comes to 3G-capable tablets that also have to pass through the Q&A departments of various worldwide telcos. Undoubtedly the hacking crews will get Ice Cream Sandwich running on all sorts of esoteric Android hardware, but the mass market isn’t about hacking, and it’s the mass market that Android needs in order to actually thrive.
Equally, Ice Cream Sandwich won’t be an answer in and of itself. There’s the marketing aspect I covered last week, as well as issues of design and price. Engineering new tablets to work with the new operating system costs time and serious engineering money to attain, and all that eats away at the eventual price a given vendor can afford to sell an Android tablet for. As it currently stands, I do think that making a dent in the iPad’s armour will involve selling Android tablets at challenging prices, and that simply isn’t happening for new release tablets — at least not yet.
“Android won’t make a dent in iOS domination, until Windows 8”
OK, I’ve got to admit that I’m not entirely sure how Android will do better because of Windows 8, but leaving that aside, the spectre of Windows 8 is an interesting one in and of itself when it comes to the tablet market.

Clearly, Microsoft’s got a lot to lose here. If iPad-style tablets (if you must, the (sigh) “post-PC era”) take off in a major way, that’ll cut into Microsoft’s ongoing revenue in a very serious way. Microsoft’s shown it’s not afraid to throw frighteningly huge sums of money at technology ventures. The Xbox/Xbox 360′s a good example of that; the advertising budget alone for its console ventures beggars belief. Microsoft’s also been in the tablet market for a very long time; around a decade ago I remember seeing the original ‘Tablet PC’ models.
They didn’t exactly set the world on fire.
Which isn’t to say that history is bound to repeat itself. Windows 8 has a lot of promise, but again there can be a large gulf between promise and eventual reality. I’m especially keen to see how well the ARM based Windows 8 machines compare to their more traditionally Intel/AMD powered brethren. ARM-based Windows sounds good in theory, but the practical reality, and especially how users interpret their performance will be telling. I’ll illustrate this by way of the humble netbook.
I really rather like netbook form factors and price points; I’ve still got an original 7-inch Asus Eee PC kicking around, although admittedly it’s not doing much these days. The concept of an ultraportable at bargain basement prices was, for its time, genius.
Then it came time to use them. Every single time I’ve used a netbook on an ongoing basis, I hit a power wall, usually quite quickly. I’m a busy computer user, and once you load up a few tabs, do any kind of image editing or try to run anything in flash, the average netbook — and even those that, in their time, were meant to deliver exceptional performance — crawls to a halt.
I can’t help but wonder if ARM Windows 8 tablets will be like that, at least to some extent. Microsoft’s had touch enabled in Windows for a couple of generations, but never terribly well for regular applications. Most touchscreen notebooks and desktops rely on overlaid skins with oversized touch buttons, and the experience to date has been less than satisfactory. This isn’t to say that Windows 8 ARM-specific Tablet apps can’t succeed — indeed, Microsoft’s throwing a lot of money at Windows 8 and gathering developer resources right now to make Windows 8 as good as it can possibly be. But the first time you load up a regular Windows 8 desktop application (and everyone will, at least once, to see what it’s like), will it fly?
“Now do one about how if you go with Apple, you’re stuck with them, their offering of form factor and their 30% cut.”
OK. I do enjoy a challenge. But in the interests of this not running overly long, and also in the interests of my being able to take a quick nap, I’ll address this particular point tomorrow. Right now, though, I’d be interested in your feedback — even if you don’t agree.




















Mike
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:35 AMFLAY HIM! FLAY HIM ALIVE!
/baying
BenDTU
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:40 AMAPPLE SUCKS FOR REASONS I CAN’T QUITE ARTICULATE.
Wait, what?
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:22 AMI love people like you, so amusing!
Nathan
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:43 AMI DON’T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT.
LOUD NOISES.
Jester
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 4:13 PMAnchor Man quote FTW!!
BenDTU
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:35 AMI think it’s interesting that Ice-Cream Sandwich is being discussed anywhere at all, considering there is literally -ZERO- information about what it’ll be, apart from “It’ll run on tablets and phones”.
Ash
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 2:14 PMLatest information suggests that ICS will only be an upgrade from Gingerbread for existing mobile devices that meet certain specifications. The next major overhaul of Android will be Jelly Bean, and there’s currently no information on what that will include, apart from mobile phones and tablet tie-in.
Andrew
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:40 AMLet it go. Accept that many people want ‘not Apple’. In fact, many people want anything but Apple. The lists of arguments Against backing the iTunes ecosystem is staggeringly long. A broader maker exists and you should prey that it will continue to exist for the sake of tecnological evolution. It is a generalization, but I’d say that the people who want ‘not Apple’ are the people who are genuinely interested in technology and it’s future.. why would a tech blog not also be genuinely interested?
BenDTU
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM“The lists of arguments Against backing the iTunes ecosystem is staggeringly long”
I’m curious – What’s on this list?
Aaron
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:25 AMIf there is a real list can I add to it, ‘making it easier to delete duplicates without downloading some third party widget’.
Flux
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:48 PMJust a quick list of the reasons I personally dislike iTunes and the iOS ecosystem:
- Price disparity between AU and elsewhere for digital media
- Requisite iTunes software is bloatware (on Windows at least), constantly updating and keeps reinstalling goddamn Quicktime
- Sale of DRM loaded tracks in proprietary formats hampers paying customers and doesn’t touch pirates
- due to the above formats, it is too hard for the average consumer to migrate out of the ‘walled garden’, as they believe they can’t recover their music collections
- The App store is notoriously prone to censorship, cannot be appealed and cannot be circumvented without consumers jailbreaking. Jobs used to talk about cleaning the web before it hit iDevices. Scary IMHO.
- Apple’s anticompetitive iAds system and monopolistic App Store. Your ad or App simply will not appear on an iDevice anless you deal with Apple.
- Apple’s mandated cut of any and all funds earned by devs through their devices.
- lack of drag and drop functionality, I don’t want to have to sync all the time, I just want to be able to use my device like a portable HDD. This is done ENTIRELY so folks can’t choose what to do with their own devices.
Just my list, there are more reasons also. But hey, if you like your iPhone/iPad, that’s really fine by me. Me, I’m playing Metal Gear Solid on my Xoom at the moment using a Sixaxis controller. Try that on an iPad without breaking your T&Cs…
Aaron
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:24 AMIt might be ‘many people’ but its still a sliver of the majority. Yes, the majority might be wrong. But when you see reality show judges using iPads you know the competition is ice skating up hill to get that level of market penetration.
fanboi
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 1:42 PMLet it go. Accept that many people want ‘just apple’ products. So why do all you tech geeks sit here paying them out all day like sore losers! I am a fanboi and I read gizmodo everyday with comments like “OOOO lets wait for the fanbois to get defensive” when all you lot do it the same thing about your precious Android and PC gear… so in the words of Andrew… LET IT GO… People buy what suits them.
klaw81
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:52 AMAgain, a well reasoned argument and clearly articulated views based on fact. Well done.
I have to agree that there’s a market for “anything but Apple” but it’s only a niche, comprised of zealots and tech-heads. The vast majority of consumers don’t care that much.
There’s also a market for “lots cheaper than iPad” as demonstrated by the Touchpad sale. If all you want to do is surf the web, read email and ebooks and play music, then iPads still look over-priced.
Finally, I’m very interested in Windows 8 tablets as a concept, but more sceptical about successful execution. MS still don’t have many runs on the board when it comes to breaking into the mobile market.
I can’t wait for the follow-up about Apple’s ecosystem lock-in.
EckyThump
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:02 AMOk, one of the big problems here is the lack of competition. Apple has got it’s hands around the throat of anybody who try’s to build something even remotely similar, and Android will struggle until the playing field is levelled. Linux, though quite robust is too complicated for the general population, and Windows is still pumping out the same old form factor! Although no doubt I will buy it when it’s released, and I will be installing the Dev kit this weekend. There is some hope for a different OS out there though, I read an article yesterday about a Russian kid who is trying to develop a free OS with the old Win NT Kernel. It’s kids like him that need to be nurtured, so we can see more alternatives on the field!
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:25 AMhey man,
i installed win8 last night, looks AMAZING…however that can only be said for the metro GUI. The rest is almost identical to win7.
The win8 OS will be great, really great for tablets, but i dont see why i would upgrade to it for my laptops or pc.
i can say that the OS has made amazing advances regarding the kernal, how it interacts with the user, the ‘sync’ options, password management, GUI brush ups, file management, simplified messages, eaiser personalisation, security enhancements (like resetting your password over the internet :)) and battery management.
also add in faster boot times!
EckyThump
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 11:40 AMYeah I’m looking forward to getting into it, should kill a few hours! How’s the registration working? same as when 7 released the Dev I hope! #]
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:19 PMno registration required, just download the ISO, burn and load :)
I would not consider using it on a laptop or PC (simply because win7 is awesome enough), but on XBOX, tablet or TV hell yes!
olearymo
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:01 PMA mate of mine installed it and showed me. I was seriously impressed by Metro, then dismayed to find it operates as a ‘layer’, like Windows Media Centre.
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:21 PMThats how the dev version works, the tablet version will be slightly different.
on the whole, when the OS is released you will have the option of installing the ‘win7′ interface, OR the ‘metro’ interface OR Both :)
olearymo
Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:03 AMReally? As in, the tablet version won’t also have the desktop under it?
Do you have a link to anything about that? I’m not asking to verify what you said, but because I’m really interested in it. Has the same source you’ve read/heard this from mentioned if it’d be the same on desktop/laptops as well?
It really seems they need to ‘cut the cord’ so to speak. Aero, or Metro, but not both.
James
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 12:15 PMThis whole article in 3 words.
Apple. Still. Dominates.
Namarrgon
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 1:12 PMTwo more:
In. Tablets.
Terry
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 2:24 PMthree more:
for the masses
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:21 PMFor the next 6 months only
Joel
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 7:07 PMThats exactly what they said when the original iPad was released… and the iPad 2.. and the iPhone.
lambomann007
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 12:41 PMGreat job on the articles, they’ve been interesting reads.
I just want to point out that with Windows 8 ARM tablets, they won’t be able to run legacy windows programs. They’ll only be able to run new apps made for the Metro UI. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2109186/arm-devices-won-t-legacy-windows-apps
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:21 PMYep, this is why the ‘win7′ UI wont be installed with the ARM tablet builds.
Johnny P
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 1:02 PMRemember 10-15 years ago everyone was against Microsoft, particularly internet explorer. Its the natural human response to fight back against being told what to do (circa communism where we can buy any tablet we want as long as its an Apple) All that pent up rage lead to the rise of Mozilla/Chrome and other browsers. Sure they didnt compete initially but now any person with a brain does not run IE as their default browser. In general where there is competition the public wins. Apple can sue all they want but its the public who buys their products and they will need to keep convincing everyone that their product is the best.
Apollo
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:19 PMAnyone with a brain, has already done the research on browsers. Currently, Mozilla is the furthest behind in almost all areas, including security.
Go to Pwn2Own.com – google the tests, look it up. Go wherever you like. Microsoft tried this time, and as far as an average user is concerned. IE9 is brilliant.
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:25 PMCorrect, IE9 has the fastest HMTL5 load times (both PC and WP7 load times), it has the BEST management of flash, great simple interface and has the best boot time for the app, + the best tab load time for cached pages.
the ONLY thing where FF6 beats IE9 is in cold load times, because FF6 uses about 7-12 times the RAM that IE does.
so for someone (like Jonny P) to say “any person with a brain does not run IE as their default browser” is just showing how uneducated they are.
paul
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 1:32 PMplease correct me if i am wrong. but apple haters are annoyed that the apple fan boys are so obsessed with their cult when in reality it is just a brand. I have an ipod , macbook and ipad 2. but they arent that amazing to warrant such high prices. i guess they are made of metal and supposedly look nice but so what,. there products are functional and have nice designs that are updated annually. Ive become tired of android I still have my htc dream running donut, it is fine to use but the iphone 4 is too expensive . at uni I rarely see a phone that isnt android or ios unless they are a crappy cheap phone but the debate over what one to get is silly. when it comes to tablets my advise is get the one that is the best, i found the android tablets aspect ratio unappealing it doesnt look like it is comfortable to use in the portrait orientation and that is certainly true for me.
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:25 PM“They arnt that amazing to warrent such high prices”…..yet you paid for them?
Apple have you under their thumb
Nick
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 5:02 PMDude you are constantly on the back foot. It’s like you take every positive comment someone has for Apple and their products personally.
Chill the fuck out. Just because someone makes a different purchase decision based on whatever motivation they have to do so you don’t have to try so fucking hard to tell them they’re wrong.
End rant. Fucking comment threads are giving me high blood pressure.
red t-rex
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:12 PMYou wanna know how to get Apple? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way! And that’s how you get Apple.
red t-rex
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:26 PMSeriously though, Apple has very tight control of it’s environment (hardware and software) whereas the Android market (and this also applies to Microsoft) throws out an OS and lets hardware vendors do pretty much what they want with it.
The initial assault needs to be consistency. Very tightly controlled models so there are few variants until they are better established rather than fighting among themselves. The competition in the Android (or Windows 8)market canibalises their own market and makes Apple seem stronger by comparison.
They first need to unify to conquer. This includes agreement on ports for peripherals like the Apple connector (no reason why Microsoft could not join in on this with Windows 8 and this applies as much to Android and Windows phones) so 3rd party manufacturers have an easier time of creating great add-ons.
They also need some buzz so the next release should be sold under cost to generate publicity. Both Google and Microsoft can underwrite this. To get a foothold there needs to be great co-operation and an understanding that those involved may make a loss on the venture for the next 5 years.
Maybe Google and Microsoft should unify their App stores to create a central place for all non-apple users to go to. Remember that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (for the time being anyway).
Flux
Friday, September 16, 2011 at 12:15 AMI just got a fantastic image in my head of Steve Jobs in a boardroom beating the hell out of an engineer with a baseball bat… priceless!
It’s an interesting suggestion you make about standardising port options across all non-Apple tablets, so all aftermarket devices could be interoperable. But you’ll never see MS and Google sharing a marketplace, I suspect. The tablet/phone space is only one of many battlefields in the three sided fight between MS Google and Apple. Maybe a “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” reference, instead of “Untouchables”?
jamall
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:23 PMI agree with most of the points raised so far. This conversation, and ones similar, will be going on for several years. A few years back when it came time for me to upgrade my phone, as a long time Mac and Nokia user, I decided to go with the (then top of the line) N97. In a nutshell, it was crap. When I eventually lost it (it was heartbreaking), I switched to the 3GS, and haven’t looked back. Having spent hundreds of dollars on apps for my phone, which can also run on the iPad, it would have been crazy for me to consider anything else. The head start that Apple got with the iPhone and App Store is a major contributor to the purchasing decisions of many prospective tablet purchasers. The App Store was just a natural extension of the iTunes music store, the terms of which Apple was able to negotiate due to the ubiquity of iPods. So you could argue that the scene for the current situation was set back in 2001 with the iPod concept. I wonder if that original concept included online music sales?
wsDK_II
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 3:27 PMthe fact that you have spend hundreds of $$ is just sad. i have a WP7 and Android phone (one work, one mine) and i have many apps, all add supported yet none paid for.
I am not tied to an ecosystem like the other people out ther. I do not want to be a companies bitch.
However the majority of the population seem to be :(
Paul
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 10:36 PMStop being so cheap I have bought apps from both the apple app store and the android store, I also have very good free apps as well. How is paying for something being a companies bitch, it certainly hasn’t done you any good you seem to be really bitter and think your opinion is supreme and the only one that is right.
olearymo
Friday, September 16, 2011 at 9:08 AMIt’s not like he sat down and spent 200 bucks in one afternoon. It’s a dollar here, a dollar there, over months and years.
‘The fact that you have spent hundreds on buying a coffee once or twice a week is just sad. I have instant all the time and I’m not a cafe’s bitch’.
jamall
Friday, September 16, 2011 at 3:06 PMI thought I made a valid point. The tone of comments has really taken a dive lately, I dont think I’ll bother contributing again.
Nick
Thursday, September 15, 2011 at 5:06 PM“the fact that you have spend hundreds of $$ is just sad. i have a WP7 and Android phone (one work, one mine) and i have many apps, all add supported yet none paid for.”
I don’t mind paying for quality work and giving something back to the developer personally. Oh and a little insight: the CPMs paid by serving ad impressions to you in your free apps? Yeah, most devs earn sweet FA from that.
boc
Sunday, September 18, 2011 at 12:04 PMThe first article was ok. This one is garbage.
Cherry picking a few off-hand comments and then dismissing them with no real evidence and only opinion and you call that a rebuttal?
Greg
Monday, September 19, 2011 at 9:46 PMI guess the author is missing an important point. For an average user it is not the device itself that counts, but the ‘eco system’ of thousands of independent innovative and inexpensive apps. I’ve got an iPad 2 and a Samsung Tablet; I use mostly iPad but Samsung is smaller, lighter and fits in one hand – perfect for being squashed in the public transport. But for a ‘non-geek’, apart from the size, what is the advantage of buying anything BUT iPad? It works, looks great, well supported, why bother? Windows 8 tablet – how long before they’ve got the same amount of apps as iPad or Android? And they would probably be as expensive as iPad, again, why bother? Because the tiles on the screen are cooler? Who cares.