It’s no secret that Giz isn’t a fan of the government’s filter. Though Telstra has now adopted a more moderate voluntary framework (and Optus soon will), other ISPs like Internode and iiNet call it “security theatre” bypassed with basic DNS tweaks. The latest filter news: NBN Co has confirmed it won’t be filtering–that will remain in the hands of ISPs.
A spokesperson told Gizmodo that “NBN Co is offering a Layer 2 open-access wholesale network. Internet filtering would need to occur at the IP layer by internet service providers operating over the NBN.”
So that’s one extra layer of filtering we no longer need to be concerned about, and for the moment, ISPs will continue to implement the filter should they choose. [Delimiter]
Craig
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 1:19 PMThe title of this article is misleading.
All that NBN Co is really saying is “any internet filter has to be implemented at the ISP level, not at the level that NBN Co deals with the data so no use asking us questions about it…”
This is no different from how filtering would be done if there is no NBN.
There is nothing incompatible between the NBN and internet filtering — apart from the stupidity of slowing down your fast network by adding filtering that wont work of course.
Renai LeMay
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 2:16 PMPrecisely.
Danny Allen
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 3:08 PMThanks for dropping in Renai (apologies for misreading your original story). Post updated, and have inserted a new quote from NBN Co.
Barry
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 1:46 PMThe idiot (my opinion) trying to push the filter through doesn’t know technology at all. If he did he would know that the filter he is trying to bring in won’t stop a thing and this has been proven so many times it isn’t funny.
The problem we have is that this pollie is (Stephen Conroy) pushing it and he will (if still there) will continue to push it, he will spend more millions trying to get the filter on the NBN and wasting hard earned cash that could go to something else. He needs to stop and say “I am wrong”.
This is a man who doesn’t lock his iPhone because he can’t unlock it and that’s how his kid spent $$$$ downloading on it.
The only great filter is PARENTS. Parents are offen lazy or don’t care and we as parents need to step up and be pro-active. Filtering starts at home, starts with parents.
Steve
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 2:09 PMI’m a teenager and I agree with some of the things you say Barry, especially what you’re saying about parents being the best line of defence.
To me, it isn’t and should never be the government’s decision as to what is accessed on the internet. However, it should be up to the parent to decide what they’re children access which is easy these days, especially with tools like OpenDNS.
The NBN will be amazing an amazing tool for the nation, but a filter will destroy any goodwill this is bringing the ALP
Jason
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 2:20 PMI suspect you don’t understand what the filter is about… it is supposed to confound people seeking child p0rn0graphy. How will parents stop this?? However I agree the filter is useless in this regard. I think that a government published list of addresses for sites that propagate Trojans and other internet nasties would be far more productive and useful. Currently companies like Mcafee & Kaspersky publish virus protection to their clients. The government should get a provide them funding to give the Australian people proactive defense against cyber-terrorism.
Barry
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 3:32 PMMany times, the filter has been said that it will only block web addresses and Child#%^&, 9 times out of ten do not use web addresses, they use tools such as P2P and unlike. This is where parents need to be pro-active where they monitor their kids usage, install programmes like blue coat web protection (it’s free). It’s not up to any government to tell it’s employers that you cannot use something that is one of the most greatest resources available to students, government and everyone else.
ozoneocean
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 3:08 PMYeah, I have a better solution- kids under the age of 15 are a small minority of our population so lets just ignore them. Spend all that filter cash on minorities that actually NEED it, like indigenous Aussies!
All this stupid “remember the children” crap is just code for “we’re too stupid to take care of our own kids so let everyone else do it instead”. Well you can’t put safety padding on the entire planet…
DarthDVD
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 4:52 PMOh for Gods sake…
confound people finding kiddy porn… its not like its out on a open website it has to be hidden very well or the AFP, FBI scottland yard, interpol etc etc etc… would easyly find it and nab the bastards… the ammount of tech these Sick excuses of humans use is way beyond what the filter will ever block… you block the site… they set up a work around… its going to be a major wild goose chase while…. While NOT getting the trafficers of this sickining material. i say put the money into the investagation of said sites/racketts and come down hard on them. Life in prison for the production of Child Porn and the Trafficing of Child Porn should also be life in prison with no Chance of parrol
Bones
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 8:15 PMWhat is your point?
I do not want to be filtered…
Smart person will find kiddy porn and good luck to them in gaol.
I am not looking for it, but not looking forward for government to spend my money (lot of it) to moderate me(us).
I just did not intend my tax money for this reason. I need safety on the streets and Medicare. And good roads.
Not a Nanny State.
olearymo
Thursday, July 7, 2011 at 8:52 AMOkay, this is what I don’t understand. The filter is supposed to stop people finding child porn, at least that’s what I hear bandied about (never mind anything else).
Forgive me for being naive, but I would think that finding this sort of material wouldn’t be something you’d just get through google, right? Wouldn’t people accessing that sort of material be using torrents and all sorts of other stuff?
So… what the hell is this filter going to do? Prevent people from accessing things via http that they can’t access anyway?
Also, God, I love Internode. If any Internode reps are reading these comments, your customers freaking love you and the way you operate. You’ve all got your heads on straight!