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Ask LH: Do Warranty Laws Mean AppleCare Is Irrelevant?

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Dear Lifehacker, In the light of the new consumer laws introduced earlier this year, I’m wondering if we should question whether we should be paying to extend the limited warranty of one year on new Apple computers? Apple likes to promote the extended three-year AppleCare warranty as a logical extension of the 12 months “limited warranty” that it already offers, but I’m wondering if that falls within the law.

The ACCC’s own site makes it clear that extended warranties don’t eliminate the rights consumers already have. I understand that AppleCare offers more than just extended repairs to hardware problems but if you don’t need any tech support or software support should we be OK to buy an Apple machine and have the confidence that if something does go wrong with a machine, it will be repaired at Apple’s expense within the first 3 years?

I actually raised the question with an Apple sales representative and received a response which said Apple couldn’t guarantee or promise any coverage outside of the first year. Can it do that as a company?

If the new law in Australia protects our investment beyond the advertised one-year period, I feel this is something that needs to be brought to people’s attention so that Apple and other manufacturer’s alike can be more transparent. Is this something that Lifehacker and Gizmodo could research to shed some light on the matter?

Thanks, Savings-Minded

Pedant note: This question was in fact originally sent to Gizmodo, but editor Nick immediately pegged it as “much more a Lifehacker thing” and passed it on to me.

Dear Savings-Minded,

The short answer is this: the one-year AppleCare warranty doesn’t supplant your rights as a consumer or mean that Apple can disclaim responsibility after a year, but that doesn’t mean that your basic rights are more comprehensive than the three-year warranty AppleCare offers for an additional fee either. All that is worth diving into in a little more detail.

The first important point to note is that Apple is in no position to supplant existing consumer law, and no number of disclaimers will let it do that. Apple is an odd company in this respect. On the one hand, most people who have cause to use it are generally very positive about the Apple support experience. On the other hand, it’s very evident that Apple often likes to act like its own internal policies should supplant specific consumer laws. That’s simply not so.

It’s also clear that Apple is keen to sell AppleCare to anyone who purchases hardware from it. Here’s a typical spiel it uses to promote AppleCare:

Your iMac comes with a one-year limited hardware warranty and complimentary phone support for the first 90 days after you buy it. So you can call our highly trained AppleCare advisors with questions about moving your files, connecting to a network, using Mac OS X, and more. Extend your coverage to three years from your computer’s purchase date with the AppleCare Protection Plan.

It’s hard to imagine that it was not exactly this kind of approach that the ACCC had in mind when it gave this example of how extended warranties can be promoted in a misleading way:

It is important to remember that regardless of any warranty a business chooses to offer, consumers still have rights under the consumer guarantees. The extra warranty does not alter or limit consumers’ rights under the guarantees, and businesses should be careful that their warranties do not mislead consumers about their rights.

Businesses should take particular care when describing and selling extended warranties to ensure that consumers are not misled into thinking that they are required to pay for rights that are already provided by the consumer guarantees.

For example:

A computer is sold with a free 12-month warranty given by the manufacturer. The seller advises the consumer that they need to purchase a three year extended warranty, otherwise they will have no right to a remedy after the 12-month warranty period expires.

In this case, the seller is likely to have breached the ACL by advising the consumer that they need to pay for rights provided for under the consumer guarantees.

The key point here is this: it’s not in any way reasonable for Apple to assume on the 366th day that you own a piece of hardware that it has no responsibility whatsoever towards servicing that hardware. The ATO, for instance, assumes that the functional lifespan of PC hardware is at least three years. Given that, presuming that the hardware could die after the first year is unreasonable. If you’ve spent several thousand dollars on hardware, treated it reasonably and not damaged it, Apple can’t tell you that it has no obligations simply because you didn’t purchase AppleCare and you’ve had the equipment for more than 12 months.

With all that said, though, there’s equally no basis to assume that you could get exactly the same rights by not buying AppleCare at all. That service includes options which aren’t part of your explicit consumer rights — including the ability to get phone support for a whole range of features, and the ability to get overseas repairs. (The original seller has to offer assistance under Australian law for problems with goods its sells you, but that doesn’t extend to offshore locations.)

If I was buying a piece of Apple hardware, I suspect I’d pay for AppleCare — it doesn’t seem that expensive to me for what you get. That said, I wouldn’t assume that it was supplanting my consumer rights. I’d assume it was supplementing them. If an Apple representative told you there was no guarantee of how your hardware might perform after the first year, it evident that approach goes against the tenor of the law. Whether that would change your purchase decision is up to you.

Cheers
Lifehacker

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(19 Comments)
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    Greg

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM

    AppleCare is a total rip off. Just buy it with a credit card that gives you an extended warranty for no additional cost, and you’ve got 2 years.

    Given most laptops are obsolete within 2 years, this fits perfectly.

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      DC

      Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 9:54 PM

      Every Customer’s Misconception, As a manager in retail the ACL doesn’t replace an extended warranty, nor does your Credit Card… ever ready your T&C’s from a Credit Card Insurance?

      Extended Warranties are still an important part of today’s products, and nevertheless a piece of mind. I must Say, there is no better support than AppleCare. I am a Manager in one of AUS biggest retailers and let me tell you that over 80% of Consumers Claim their extended warranties, especially for Computers.

      And no, the ACL does NOT state you get 3 years warranty, Depending on the fault, Minor or Major it still remains to the discretion of the Manufacture to accept or decline the extra service of the product and this includes how much the product is. If you buy something cheap, don’t expect it to last more than the 12 months standard warranty, and in turn, don’t expect it to be fixed after that. If you but a 5k-10k TV.. sure, you’d expect it to last, and you can ‘challenge’ for a repair, but it takes at least 10 days and no guarantee – And extended warranty, does guarantee the repair.

      Look up the ACL. But don’t confuse it with reality, and don’t expect it to replace the extended warranty.

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        Greg

        Friday, May 27, 2011 at 11:02 AM

        Credit Card Insurance != Extended Warranty.

        I’m talking about Extended Warranty. It covers exactly the same things that the manufacturer’s warranty does, for an extended period.

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          Levi

          Friday, May 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM

          Greg, I believe what DC is referring to is that often these so called ‘insurance’ or ‘warranty’ offered on such credit cards (eg- AMEX) may also carry additional fees per month or ‘excess’ charges to be paid before you can claim for a repair/replacement.
          I cannot speak for all cards, nor am I sure of the exact nature of these fees or charges.

          You should as DC suggests, consider the T&C’s applicable to that card.

          One merit of the Applecare extended hardware coverage is that you can walk into any Apple store and have the repair ‘covered’ by the plan unlimited times for the extended period.
          Credit card companies may charge per repair an excess and require you to send away product to a designated repair agent which can add to the turn around time and cost.

          I am unsure of what these other new laws mean though and cannot shed much light on them on whether it devalues applecare.

          I can tell you that Applecare has always been excellent in my experience however!

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        Andrew

        Friday, May 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM

        With something like a PC or even more so with a Mac the law demands that it lasts a “reasonable” amount of time.
        The fact that the ATO thinks that a computer should last 3 years means that a court will likely take that as how long the warranty should be for and will order apple or the like to repair or replace it!

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    woodsdog

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    Apply care is awesome. My second iPhone my GF has got a couple of cracks at USB jack, took photos, apple said yep covered, So they placed a floating charge of $800 on CC and sent me another 3GS, transfered everything across and sent back damaged one for free. So all up cost me nothing but 15-20min to transfer across. And was not without a phone for longer then 2mins (when phone was off).
    So after 18 months practically a brand new phone(looks new, but would be refurb). Better then sending phones back, leaving at shops or waiting months for a repairs. So many people dont realise how many extra benifit their are. I call them for help setting up the device, transfering stuff and generally anything about my iPhone, even for my friends phones… after all they are generally the same.
    A friend was told by Telstra Shop to take his Iphone 4 to iPhone doctor, I said hell no, ring apple, they’ll give you another one for nicks and they did. His got to hot and wouldn’t turn on again.

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    Tech

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    If your Apple warranty has expired and it’s a reasonable time (say 60 days as an example) it’s always worth calling them and asking. They do treat most of these situations on a case-by-case basis and can be quite reasonable if the product has been treated well and not mis-used.

    For novice Mac users, AppleCare gives you more than just a 3 year warranty. As stated in this article it gives you 3 year phone support and if the product covered is an iMac or desktop it gives you an onsite service option (well it used to but this may have changed).

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    Andy

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    Applecare in Australia is a joke. It costs $449 to Applecare a $2000 – $4000 piece of hardware, but as long as it’s no fault of your own. So 10% – 20%. I’m sure if the ram died after 2 years, you would be pretty happy only paying $100 for another 8GB in your mbp, rather than claiming Applecare

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    Daniel Juhn

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM

    I don’t think the question was answered.
    OP states that he doesn’t need software support, *only* hardware coverage. Do consumer laws grant us 3 years hardware warranty?

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      Nick

      Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 2:32 PM

      Essentially yes. However, most companies will try and pretend your statutory warranty doesn’t exist and you will quite possibly need to make a complaint to the Fair Trading office in your State in order to get them to honour it.

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    Peter

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 3:53 PM

    I thought the manufacturers warranty was a promise to service goods if faulty within that stated time for free for the smaller items, then the guarantee is how long the product is generally expected to last, which service can include reasonable fees for parts and labor. That’s what I gleaned from the ACCC website. Am I missing something?

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    Nick

    Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 10:49 PM

    I guess this is what it boils down to. If you bought a computer (It doesn’t have to be an Apple product) and it broke down shortly after the 12 month warranty expired -say, one year and one week from date of purchase- technically you’re covered under the new consumer laws. However, having worked in the computer retail business myself, I know that it can sometimes be a very drawn-out and trying experience trying to convince the manufacturer that they are obliged to repair (or replace if it’s failed three times for the same fault) your product.

    If you’re the type of person who argues a point on principle, and are prepared to take the time and effort to fight the good fight, then all the more power to you.

    On the other hand, I believe that life is far too short to spend it arguing that fact. I would buy the warranty knowing that as long as I don’t do something stupid with my computer, It will be repaired/replaced for the three year life of the computer.

    Here’s another way of looking at it.
    449 / 24 = 18.79
    that’s less than twenty dollars a month. Well worth it IMO

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      Nick

      Thursday, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 PM

      Oh and I forgot to mention, Applecare has the added advantage that it can be bought at any time in the 12 months after purchase, which is generally different from extended warranties offered by major computer retailers. If you’re unsure about buying Applecare, hold off and pick it up at month 11. Heck, you could even buy it on day 364 and it still counts. Plenty of time to see how the computer holds up.

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      Daniel Juhn

      Friday, May 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM

      My concern is not 1 year and 1 week, it’s the full blown 3 years… Are they obliged to fix faults, say, after 2 years and 11 months, even if I did not purchase Apple Care

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    Travis K

    Friday, May 27, 2011 at 12:17 PM

    If i am not mistaken the new laws actually require the retailer to work out repairs or replacement for the product in question. However AppleCare provides a service outside the retailer in terms or repairs or replacement. In my experience with customers in regards to repairs with AppleCare and comparable repairs that take place within the retailer, the time taken for the repair or fix to take place is considerably longer without the AppleCare than with it. And Yes i do work in retail and with Apple Mac’s so im not just speaking in general.

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    Savings-Minded

    Friday, May 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM

    Hi, I’m the guy that originally sent this email to Gizmodo. I didn’t receive a response so I thought I’d google and see if anything else had been posted on the matter.

    I knew this question would spark some interest – so I’m glad it’s out there but it still seems like such a grey area. Even though the law now states that we are covered for an extended period beyond the “Limited Warranty” – It’s not clear for how long and I get the impression that we’re left to fight our own battle if a problem presents itself outside of the 12 months.

    I guess until the ACCC makes an example of a big Company like Apple or until we see Apple’s marketing change to include “3 years Warranty” we’re left with no other option other than to keep paying for Extended Warranty because I for one can not afford to be without the principal tool required to run my business for the sake if saving $300.

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      Mogwai

      Wednesday, June 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM

      Well i guess thats the point. If you use it every day for work and need it fixed in a hurry then you should pay for an extended warranty for all the advantages it gives you over a statutory warranty. Given you can write off the cost of additional warranty on your tax if its for work purposes its a no brainer.

      if you’ve got a home laptop you dont use it much and it breaks multiple times just after 12 months then you should argue it with the manufacturer.

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    eDory

    Thursday, July 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

    AppleCare also covers the battery and the software whereas every other company doesn’t. What does it cost you to replace a battery in a mac? because you can’t do it yourself probably a lot. After 3 years the battery is probably running low and you can just get it replaced under the warranty. Also i got a good deal with my mac because I added Applecare. Basically got it for free.
    On the other hand my sony laptop had something weird happening with the screen. I think some cables inside weren’t properly connected to the graphics card. Sony took the laptop inspected it and said it’s a software issue and sorry it’s not covered! I had a couple phone calls with them but always spoke to someone that had no idea what was being done to it until I ended up with the Tech Support and they basically told me I don’t know anything about it. Then they said they could do a backup and I could restore all the data.. The backup was crap and I couldn’t use it at all…

    I still had to pay $250.

    Or Samsung: They take your phone and it takes them 4 weeks to figure out what’s wrong after you only had it for 4 days. They sent it back and said they did a repair and you are no longer eligiable for a replacement. So then the same thing happens again but you just can’t be bothered to live without a phone for another 4 weeks! It’s ridiculous!

    Just a comparison!

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    Andy

    Friday, March 2, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    It would be interesting to hear from anybody who has tried to get repairs done by Apple, using their Australian Statutory Warranty (not an Applecare Extended Warranty), after a one or two year period..

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