
It happened in 1997. Can’t quite remember exactly when or where. It doesn’t show up on Google, so I’m thinking it came at some internal Apple event or agency meeting.
Though some details are hazy, I remember Steve Jobs’ words precisely, because they were sober and stinging: “The battle for the desktop is over. And we lost.” *
Of course, he wasn’t tossing in the towel. He was simply trying to dispel the “beat Microsoft” mentality that still lingered in the Cupertino halls. What Apple needed more than anything was to be Apple again.
He compared Apple to BMW, which owned less than 5% of the world’s car market, but was still one of the world’s great brands. This was Steve’s vision: to cede quantity, but stun the world with quality and innovation.
Flash forward about 13 years and we find that the vision wasn’t exactly 20/20. It turns out that the desktop war wasn’t lost – it simply became irrelevant.
Technically speaking, the desktop war remains lost. Microsoft continues to own about 90% of it. Yet Apple is the most valuable technology company on the planet, and Microsoft now fights off the perception that it’s on the oblivion express. A thought that was unthinkable just a year or two ago.
Microsoft hauls in the cash with Windows 7, but plays second fiddle to Apple in music players, smartphones and tablets – consumer technologies that are all changing the face of business.
Funny, you don’t hear people talking about how Apple lost the desktop wars anymore. Certainly not Steve.
* At Macworld Boston in 1997, Steve did say “Microsoft won. The OS wars are over.” Close enough.
Ken Segall is a creative director who’s had more than a few adventures in technology marketing, including branding, product naming and strategy. He has a long history with Apple and NeXT—where he took a blood oath to uphold the principles of simplicity. You can read more of his writing at Observatory and Scoopertino.




















matt
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 3:38 PMummm…
cool?
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Travis New
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 3:39 PMNo he was right. Apple has lost the desktop “war”. They are not even winning in the laptop war either. Sure they’re leading(I prefer iPhone to Android)in the Mobile space. But WP7(which I’m using) IS going to succeed. There is so much to like about WP7. Win7 everyone loves it as well. Win8/WP8 will blow people away.
Their(Apple) inflated stock will come down. Not any time soon mind you but it will. And just as always MSFT will be there still controlling the majority.
gargravarr
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 4:34 PMTravis – thanks for joining the ranks to predict that Apple ‘just can’t keep this up’. I’m sure you are right, just like all the others have been so far.
Anyway, the point I really wanted to make was that if Steve was wrong (debatable), he’s been wrong before, and he’ll be wrong again. The difference between him and the rest of us is that in a business sense, he seems to be right more often than most.
Pat
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:20 PMcompletely agree. well said.
Travis New
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 10:59 PMNice to see you read too far into my comment.
Did I say Apple will fail hmmmmm…No.
Did I say they just can’t keep this hmmmmm…No.
What I said was their stock price. Now if you have a ounce of intelligence you know stock price doesn’t relate to health of business i.e. MSFT or even Telstra for a local example.
All I said was MSFT has some great products coming out and I think they’ll take the lead. Try to be smart arse when you ended up just being a arse.
Come agian though I enjoy these scuffles.
Kalem
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 4:40 PMSorry, I think Nokia still has the upper hand there in terms of sales for mobile phones.
Everything else is completely correct though.
Virt Atomican
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 6:21 PMI’m sorry, but anyone who is making *any* claim about what Windows 8 will or won’t be has no credibility to comment further on Apple or Microsoft.
James
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 7:25 AMI’m sorry but anyone who simply makes *any* claim about anything without stating why has no credibility to comment further on Apple or Microsoft or anything.
Kalem
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM“It turns out that the desktop war wasn’t lost – it simply became irrelevant.”
I like the mentality of a Mac fan to completely dismiss the idea of another system being better. Instead of conceding defeat, they choose to ignore it.
Go to any computer board where there is mac and windows users discussing and I guarantee that the flame wars are still trudging along.
Dave
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 4:47 PMYeah Apple lost the desktop war. How could you claim otherwise?
eK
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:15 PMremember Giz is pro Apple… nothing more nothing less…
Daniel Weaver-Koenigs
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:15 PMI can’t think of a comparably arrogent car company to Apple. This is an awful article, feels like a bragging apple fanboy posting something pretending to be news.
matt
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:41 PMBMW is actually a very good mirror of Apple in the car world.
everyone buys BMWs just because they are “cool” and “exclusive”… to the point that they are like the most common cars in Europe now…
on the other hand, BMW do do REALLY good kit! just like Apple (from the hardware side). but its always just a bit too expensive, and it’s not, sadly, the reason people buy them, the above reason is.
Richard Djordjevic
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:16 PMOf course they lost it, they’re just winning other wars. And it’s hardly an irrelevant market considering pretty much everyone owns one and businesses the world over rely on them, just mobile devices have captured the imagination of the public in a larger way in recent years. Even wit hthat being the case, these users still probably own a desktop and according to the above, 90% of them have Windows on it.
James
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 7:27 AMwindows phone 7 is going to dominate the market in 1 year
JAck
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 10:49 AMWhat makes you so sure? I’m not buying any Microsoft software until Balmer is removed as CEO!
Labrat
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:31 PMipads are pieces of crap. period.
they don’t do enough to justify their size.
apple aren’t the innovators that all these gadget sites make them out to be. If anything, its the industrial designers and interface designers that apple uses deserve a pat on the back. However, for what they do, they aren’t the best device. People wouldn’t be hacking iphones and ipads if they were entirely happy with them.
someone can, and someone will innovate and do better.
Nokia was impossible to beat, now? and the same will happen too with Apple.
Karl
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:32 PMWow….Apple fanboy much?
olearymo
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:37 PMWow, was Ken *actually* wanking when he wrote this?
GiantGuineaPig
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:39 PMYou don’t hear people talking about how Apple lost the desktop wars because they lost such a long time ago. I’m sure Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Steve Balmer and everyone else in the world has been wrong more than once.
Ken Segall you obviously see Steve Jobs as your God and why is Gizmodo bothering to post your personal biased views?
002
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:58 PMI don’t see how it’s surprising that Ken Segall is an apple fanboy. The ever present blurb about the writer of the article at the bottom basically admits that.
Here, I’ll fix it for you for those TLDReaders out there: “Ken Seagall is an apple fan”
002
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 6:01 PM…and I apparently don’t know how to spell Ken Segall’s name despite spelling it correctly once in my comment.
Chris M
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 5:48 PMYeah cool story bro. So when microsoft actually start competing in the same technology space again (smart phones aside) you can start comparing the 2 again. As for now, theres not a lot that’s really relative anymore. Microsoft and Apple have pretty much gone their separate ways. Apple create very specific technology products whereas microsoft create technology products to claim some of the market share. Microsoft OWNS the desktop platform whereas apple merely offer an alternative. Seriously, comparing the 2 these day’s is like chalk and cheese.
MarkFugs
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 6:28 PMI now know there are four types of people in this world: Apple fanboys, Microsoft fanboys, Android fanboys and Apple-hating fanboys.
Who cares if Ken’s an Apple fanboy? Why don’t you do something relevant instead and point out what is factually wrong with his article. And no, your opinion is not factual.
Ian
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 6:59 PMApple lost the desktop war, lost the laptop war, aren’t winning the phone war by a long shot, are winning the tablet war.
Why is this even news? I swear to god if these irrelevant Apple posts don’t stop I’m taking this feed out of my reader.
Rohan
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 7:30 PMIrregardless of who is (how they say in kindergarten) ‘better’, this strange elitism people have when it comes to computers is trivial. Its one thing to justify your purchase ( when nobody asks..) but its another to defend an entire brand as if their is some strange blind consumerism contest. Its not a competition, nobody cares.
James
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 7:28 AMI’m sorry, but it IS a competition – and alot of people DO care. If you dont understand thats ok, go back to debating Holden or Ford with the rest of the bogans
taelan
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 7:40 PMi use a macbook pro. good machines, good os for home, internet, graphics… but not office. this is where MS wins.
i use MS Windows at work. good OS for office, internet, graphics and most importantly – customisability, workgroup applications, networking, let alone development…
and yes, Apple DID loose the war, so all the fanboys should just admit it instead of saying – irrelevant.
Really??? Irrelevant? Then why are they always screaming – windows this, viruses that, screen of death this, alt+ctrl+delete that… Well if it really was irrelevant to them then all this talk would subside, and is my memory isn’t wrong, the “Hello I’m a Mac, and I’m a PC” ads were Apples ads and going waaay past 1997, not MS’s… So all this is just a piece of BS…. Noone ever said that its was lost or even worse – irrelevant.
This article is crap, so as the author, another apple fanboy.
Chris M
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 10:38 AMNot only that mate, but lets not forget who it was who bailed Apple out in the first place…. Oh yeah! That’s right! Microsoft stopped Apple from going bankrupt.
Waterbear
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 8:19 PMNo, lets be realistic. The information technology war is being won by everyone but apple, the consumer electronics war is being won by apple.
Very different slices of the pie. mmm apple pie.
Smartphones: Nokia
Desktops: PCs
Fashionable glossy things to listen to music on and play angry birds: apple
Dont try and dress up an ipad as some sort of gamechanging productivity device, it just isnt.
“Microsoft now fights off the perception that it’s on the oblivion express”. Very clever choice of words, perception. Indeed consumer buzz lives with apple but microsoft’s record breaking last quarter profits illustrate the real nature of their success in the productivity world.
This article is either the greatest troll ever or the worst piece of editorial fan wank i have ever witnessed.
James
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 7:31 AMgood points all round – i doubt the author was trying to do anything other then slam Microsoft and give us all another chance to beat each other up about our OS choice.
Gizmodo – you should really consider informing us of news-worthy occurances, rather then letting another fanboi discrace this once great company
Michael
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 9:18 AMNot to defend Apple, but Nokia aren’t winning the “Smartphone” category, no where close. The N97 was a junk phone, with every second one purchased coming back for warranty, and the N8 is already months behind albeit being launched a couple of days ago. Apple may not be the definite Smartphone winner, but Nokia certainly aren’t either.
Now, basic run of the mill phones, yes they are still number 1.
Waterbear
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 11:03 AMThe gartner report has Symbian at 41% ish market share. I know its mental, but they are winning and by a massive margian. I hate their phones though. haha.
Michael
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 11:20 AMYeah but Symbian doesn’t make it a smartphone, even basic Nokia’s run Symbian.
Glen Bruton
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 9:37 PMWhen people decide Apple isn’t cool anymore, Microsoft will still be plugging away at the ‘irrelevant’ desktop and server space.
Steve
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 11:06 PMWas Ken Segell paid for this? Seriously? As someone who tried to stay on the fence and dabbles in a bit of everything (I just picked up an iPhone 4 to go with my HTC Desire), everyone (even the apple fanboys) should acknowledge just how skewed the entire tone of this post was.
That’s journalistic integrity Ken. You missed.
Ken Segall
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 8:50 AMWell, thanks, but I’m not exactly your garden-variety Apple fanboi. Though I’ve spent years working with Apple, I’ve spent even more years working with IBM, Compaq, Intel & Dell. My opinions have been formed by living with those companies’ products and cultures. Meanwhile, I both praise and criticize Apple in my blog, and I make sport of the whole Apple world at Scoopertino.com. But that aside…
With all respect, some of you are misinterpreting the point of my article. I was simply being amused that Steve conceded defeat on the desktop — when in later years that defeat just wouldn’t matter. At least it wouldn’t matter to Apple, because they’d ultimately find a way to surpass Microsoft while remaining a “loser” on the desktop.
I’m not talking about whose technology is superior. That’s all subjective. I’m talking about Apple as a business, which is measured objectively by cold, hard numbers. Apple now generates higher profits than Microsoft, the PC makers and the phone makers, and leads all technology companies in both market capitalization and revenue.
But nothing’s forever. Things change, and I’m sure many of you have a list of reasons why they will. So let’s just meet back here in a few years and see where we stand…
Michael
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 9:22 AMSo you saying that it’s irrelevant based on the fact that they decided to make a different style of product, so therefor they win overall?
iPhone != Desktop, so winning in 1 doesn’t make the other irrelevant, it just makes smart buisness sense to branch out your product line.
Years down the track from now, say the WP7 dominates (Hyperthetical), and Apple release some other product line, does that make the battle for the phone world irrelevant?
Ken Segall
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 12:49 PMI’m much better when I use lame analogies. Forgive me:
Say you make hats. You’re stuck at 3% market share. You think of killing yourself. Then you have a brilliant idea. You add a line of shoes to your business. This starts a revolution and soon you own the shoe category. In fact, you’re making more money than you ever dreamed of making — even more than that guy who used to beat the crap out of you in the hat biz. The world still needs hats. You still enjoy making hats. But the income you derive from hats has become significantly less relevant to you. You’re the king of shoes.
I’m not saying that the desktop became irrelevant to the world. It’s still important. I’m saying it became a low priority TO APPLE — since the i-products are now driving their profits.
I’d say the same thing about your hypothetical situation. If any smartphone maker invented a new category that created more income than they ever made from smartphones, it would not make the smartphone category irrelevant. But it would certainly be less relevant to the company that had moved on to own a new category.
You buy that?
boc
Thursday, November 4, 2010 at 3:53 PMI hope you update your blog entry as well as this one to clarify your irrelevant statement then.
I think for a most people that line would logically be read as the desktop war being irrelevant to everyone – not Apple.
Thanks for clarifying in the comments though.