If I were CEO of a company building a government-funded National Broadband Network, which faced the threat of cancellation if the opposition was elected to power, I’d probably voice my criticisms of the opposition’s own broadband plan just like NBNCo’s Mike Quigley did yesterday.
At a speech yesterday, Quigley let his opinions on the opposition’s NBN alternative be known. Among some of the golden nuggets:
”It’s better to invest $27 billion rather than spend $6 billion.”
“The Overland Telegraph cost £480,000, equivalent to just under a $1 billion in today’s terms. The total cost was met entirely by the tax-payers of South Australia and was equivalent to 60% of the state’s annual budget.”
“No commercial entity will provide good telecommunications services to everyone across this vast nation of ours without Government intervention of one sort or another.
No purely commercial company can take the long term view that is required to build the next fixed line platform that Australia now needs.”
“So who should own the wholesale network? If it is in private hands, you would expect the management of the wholesale company to strive to maximise shareholders returns. We should not expect national interests, including the guarantee of good service to rural and remote communities, to be top of the priority list.”
“So, is fibre likely to be superseded in the next few decades by some new technology we have not yet even thought of?
I don’t think so.”
“To suggest that we not build a fibre-based network in Australia now because maybe some new, but not yet imagined, technology may turn up, displays a rather naïve view about how science and technology progresses.
It is like not investing in rail because we think automobile technology will radically improve sometime soon.”
You can read Quigley’s entire speech over at ComputerWorld. Needless to say, it’s a fascinating, if a little biased, argument on the benefits of building an NBN. The question is whether it will convince any of the supporters of the Liberals $6 billion plan that the NBN is a worthwhile investment.



















Marcel Bennett
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 12:44 PMReally? There are people who support the Liberal’s plan?
Art
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 1:14 PMWhilst I’m attracted to the NBN in principle, when in the history of IT has any project more than $1 million ever come in on time and on budget (especially *any* government-run project)??
They’re saying $42Billion is worth it for what we get (*highly* dubious to begin with), let’s see how ‘worth it’ it will be when they announce it has blown out to $75Billion and taking 3 years longer to implement….
Edward Luck
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 2:07 PMBollocks. What you’re suggesting is highly unlikely, particularly now that agreement with Telstra to use their ducts has occurred.
Personally, it would be worth it to me at three times the price.
Ken
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 3:10 PMReally? lets see you shell out 120billion dollars. On behalf of the Australia population, We thank you for your generosity
The government is good at pulling numbers out of thin air and that is a fact. Name me a few major project that has finished on time and on budget. I think it’d be easier to list ones that gone way over budget.
matt
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM@Ken, on that note, lets see how cool and objective YOU are, having just got into office to face the worst global economic crisis in generations.
Ken
Friday, August 20, 2010 at 1:18 AMWell, seems like they did pretty ok with a big fat savings account left behind by the previous govt..
putting all that aside.. tell me a few major projects that does not make the headline with words along the line of budget blowout and time over-run. So if there isn’t any then i wonder how does Edward could be so sure that the NBN wont end up to be 50 or 60 or 70 billion dollars?
Normandy
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM….in the early 1900′s residents IN SYDNEY protested that they had to have their tax’s USED to supply them with electricity, when the electric street lighting was rolled out in Sydney. Residents saw no need to have electricity in their homes, for there was no appliances then, thus they saw no use, and the gas lights and candles were just fine for lighting their homes. Electricity in homes, drove ALL SORTS OF INNOVATION, such as home appliances, fridges, radios, eventually TV’s all sorts of electronic appliances. Have some imagination!
Have a think about what you are saying, look at history and try to draw an intelligent conclusion.
I am amazed at some of the young people here who cant or don’t have any vision of the future, and think what we have now in internet connectivity is good enough… totally flabbergasts me!
Brad
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 1:15 PMGreat speech.
It is a little biased, but I think it’s also important to remember Mike Quigley donated his entire first year salary($2m) to medical research – http://bit.ly/9pplXR. Research specifically ‘looking into the use of fast internet connections to offer rehabilitation to stroke patients in remote areas.’
This guy is prepared to put his own money where his mouth is.
Ward Paterson
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 3:33 PMGillard said it herself that the NBN is worth about $5000 a household
Well, as I already have Optus Cable and I’m happy with it – I dont need the NBN – and I could certainly use the $5000 to put towards my home loan repayments..
So, if Labor gave me the option to take the $5000 instead, they’d surely get my vote!
Bern
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM“So, if Labor gave me the option to take the $5000 instead, they’d surely get my vote!”
Yeah, but when you sell your house 5-10 years down the track, would the new owners be happy to find out they had to fork out $5000 to get connected to the NBN that connects every other house in the neighbourhood?
Would you be happy if the previous owner of your house said back in 1995 that they didn’t want cable running past the property, they were happy with dialup?
Daniel
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM$4 billion a year on Paid Parental Leave is going to do more damage to your pocket, and it’s not even useful.
Namarrgon
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 4:27 PMYou say that now, of course. What we have now is all that we require for what we do now, by definition.
What about in 10 years, when web sites, updates, demos, apps, videos etc are all so large your old cable connection is struggling to cope, like people on 56k dialup are today?
What about in 20 years, when free-to-air TV has been turned off in favour of hundreds of 3D super-definition channels delivered over our fibre, but not your cable?
Or in 30 years, when full-immersion VR delivered over terabit fibre connections is almost a necessity for conducting modern life, as the web is today? Will you be happy you traded all that for a month’s repayments on your house?
You sound like my mother a couple years back, arguing that dialup was still fine for her email. Now she skypes, youtubes and torrents over her ADSL connection, and can’t bear it when she gets shaped back to dialup speeds.
David
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 10:29 PMI have 3 problems with your logic/attitude.
Firstly, the NBNco most likely purchased your cable connection… So, your $5000 is already spent. For your sacrifice you not only get your service upgraded (the coax part) and future proofed but soon you will be able to choose any internet service provider you want to service your connection. Your welcome…
Secondly, you are are missing the big picture. That $5000 ensures that you can move to any home (97% of homes in Australia) and you will know for sure that your internet experience is not going to suffer, your options will be open to any provider you wish. Not to mention, your children, your children’s, children and potentially your children’s, children’s, children will have the opportunity to have the infrastructure in place to be apart of the digital community
Lastly, the government does not want to give you $5000. The reason for this is that you are going to spend the money really badly. The government is spending $5000 per house hold to connect these services. The vast majority of this money is going to be spent in ways that grow our economy (By paying companies, that employ many Aussie’s). Your gonna’ spend it on some junk that comes from China or Japan.
Also you are a Jerk, you sit there happily with your cable broadband when the vast majority of Australians who are not located in the million or so houses that Telstra decided to grace with their cable services. Shame on you!
Ward Paterson
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 3:38 PMJust another piece of food for thought.
Quigley said that fibre is not likely to be superseded in the next few decades.
How long exactly is it going to take to cable 97% of Australia? Can anyone tell me?
I reckon its gonna take at least 20 years.
Bern
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 4:07 PM“not likely to be superseded” “useless in 20 years”
After all, copper wires were superseded by fibre for telecommunications purposes at least 30 years back. And yet we’ve still been using copper all this time.
As for roll-out time for the NBN – 8 years, according to the implementation study I just downloaded.
Given that individual fibre pairs are capable of carrying terabit-class data rates, I think the fibre might be useful for a while yet…
matt
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 4:12 PMwell, better than using something that is ALREADY SHIT!
oh, and I’m so glad YOU’RE happy with YOU’RE high speed internet NOW. heaven forbid you think about other people, or the future… but no, you’re right, it’s YOUR bills that are the problem…
also, why do you think its gonna take 20 years?
David Shears
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 11:27 PMHey Ward,
Me again
Fibre technologies (for communications) have been around since the late 70′s. Here is a history lesson. In the last 35 years fibre has gone from being able to transmit about 45 Mega-bits per second (peak) to roughly 14 tera-bits per second through a single strand of fibre optic cable (Over several kilometres.
As a comparison, the copper network that makes up most of Australia communications network (twisted pair) has allowed us to transmit 24 Mega-bits per second over approximately a kilometre with a sharp drop in speed for every meter after (approx), this is getting to the limits of what the technology can bear before major and costly upgrades will have to be made (before we have to start running multiple copper pairs to every home)
The beauty of fibre technology (Which actually makes up a significant part of your cable connection mind you) is that it is predicted that a single fibre optic cable will eventually be able to transmit 100 Peta-bits per second before the technology is put to task. I hope the following gives you an idea of how big this increase is
1 Kilobit = 1,000 bits (thousand)
1 Megabit = 1,000,000 bits (million)
1 Gigabit = 1,000,000,000 bits (billion)
1 Terabit = 1,000,000,000,000 bits (trillion)
1 Petabit = 1,000,000,000,000,000 bits (quadrillion)
This means that fibre optic cable is potentially 3.333×10^7 times faster than your 30Mbps cable service (Which again is partly fibre). At the current rate of demand, it is going to take 60+ years in addition to a major technological breakthrough (namely a shift from electronic circuits to optical ones) before fibre optic technology will be put under strain.
There is a reason that almost the whole internet runs on fibre technology and its not because geeks like lasers. Its because bandwidth is not going to be a real concern for a very long time.
The NBN does not currently run at 100 Peta-bits per second, but since the ball started rolling on this network, peak speed of the NBN hve already increased 10 fold form its original inception, and in 1 measly year. All this was accomplished simply because the equipment used in the network makes it more cost effective for 1Gbps speeds.
This demonstrates that future network upgrades will not require the level of work currently required to roll out this network but rather a simple change of transmission equipment (your fibre modem) no mess, no shovels, no worries.
The network is not going to take 20 years to roll out. It is estimated that rollout to most capital cities is going to take about 5 years, the last 3 years of the rollout is going to mainly focus on all of the regional centres and small towns.
If after 5 years, a new technology leapfrogs fibre optic (giggle) and somehow revolutionises the way we think of global communications to such an extent that we have to give up on fibre optic cable then you would have proved us all wrong to the extent that Nostradamus will rise from the dead, poop his pants before having a severe and fatal heart attack, stroke and skin rash
Ben
Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 9:44 PMMaybe he doesn’t like the Liberal’s plan because he would lose his $2 million a year salary!
Rappo
Friday, August 20, 2010 at 9:43 AMA: he is biassed, if the NBN goes away he loses his high-paying job.
B: the Liberal plan is about strengthening our existing infrustracture, and holding off spendin $42,000,000,000 dollars on something that is likely to come in over budget, and take longer to build than advertised.
That said I like the idea on the NBN (the government should own the infrustructure), but I can see why the Libs would not want to spend the money, you know, lick our wounds after the GFC, and pay off our foreign debt.
Doesn’t realy matter… As long as Conroy and his filter are gone I would call it a win, regardless what happens with the NBN.
matt
Friday, August 20, 2010 at 10:01 AMwhat ‘wounds’ after the GFC? the public balance seems in great shape?
darcy
Saturday, August 28, 2010 at 3:49 PMThis is a direct quote from the internet:
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KEVIN MORGAN COMMENT: What kind of network can you get for $43b?
Posted on May 6th, 2010
The NBN implementation study appears to have been reversed engineered in to the government’s original cost estimate – it’s a post hoc rationalisation for spending $43 billion.
To get the costs within the original estimate there are some extraordinary assumptions: foremost amongst which is the government gets no return other than its cost of borrowings on the $26 billion it injects to help fund the $43 billion rollout. The government might start to get money back after year seven, with possibly $10 billion returned by year 11 and $20 billion by year 15.
Significantly, the study confirms that the original concept of a joint private sector investment was utterly flawed because private investors would have expected 20% plus in the early years.
Under the revised ‘business case’, private equity through privatisation would not be introduced until at least 15 years into the project, by which time there might be some retained equity and government equity will have been replaced with government guaranteed debt to give a typical 50/50 debt equity ratio.
With privatisation, the government might get its remaining equity back and if the NBN enjoys, as the study foreshadows, overbuild protection, then private investors will enjoy a monopoly built on free taxpayers funds.
If the assumption the government will fork out S26 billion to earn negligible return is bizarre, then the assumption take up rates will exceed 70% and could approach 90% is heroic.
This compares to FTTH take up rates in the USA and Holland which have levelled off at 30%.
Despite such realities, the study argues the attractions of fibre for RSPs will drive take up to effectively 100% of fixed line households. Bear in mind 20% of Australian households don’t have a computer. Nevertheless, the study believes consumers will be won over by RSPs offering retail services built on an entry level 20Mbit wholesale offering.
But this $30-35 wholesale access price could well more than double with retail mark ups: so will consumers—especially those who just want the equivalent of a standard telephone service be keen to migrate when they only pay $30 per month for access now?
True, that a 20 Mbit wholesale product has far greater functionality. That’s the key to winning over the RSPs who then will then migrate customers over to the NBN but given RSPs can already offer 8-20 Mbit ADSL 2 on near fully depreciated DSLAMs for an access fee of $15 over copper in metro areas will they rush to the NBN? They will be foregoing a $15 per month margin.
In summary there is little to support the penetration rates suggested by the study—other than the implicit threat of overbuild protection. This means the study is effectively predicated on a de facto monopoly which raise significant competition policy concerns.
NO UNIFORM PRICES: Nor will access prices be nationally uniform. Although the study recommends that access prices should be uniform over fibre they will not be uniform across the multiple NBN platforms.
And even the uniform wholesale access price on fibre will not guarantee uniform national pricing for fibre access. Retail prices will be distorted by backhaul and other costs so the more remote the area served, the higher the backhaul cost and the higher the retail charge.
The study notes “Even if NBN Co charges uniform wholesale prices for the access network, its services are not the only inputs to retail.. There are some parts of the country where a significant retail price increase would result from cost-based pricing of backhaul. “
In line with government policy, the study recommends NBN Co build competitive backhaul meaning some $3.5—$4 billion will be spent on up to 70000 kms of backhaul that duplicates Telstra’s network. These routes which are loss making for Telstra and will be in need of continued subsidy – a reality implicit in the suggestion that backhaul should be retained in government hands on privatisation although this is rationalised on ‘competition’ grounds.
High back haul costs are not the only bad news for rural users. There is no firm recommendation to deal with universal service other than to admit that Telstra can no longer really be expected to carry the USO if the NBN becomes the de facto national fixed network. Given the study admits there will be no uniform pricing across platforms, and rural retail prices would be distorted by backhaul costs, this might well prove the end of universal service.
COST ESTIMATES DOUBTFUL: There are other issues which the study doesn’t fully deal with. Cost estimates must be deemed questionable given the initial build will merely pass homes with NBN Co with subsequently staggering retail connections. This will be highly inefficient with repeated visits to neighbourhoods, if not the same street. Installing the drop and ONT could account for 40% of capital (build) costs and may not be done in the optimal way. And given that the study envisages significant amounts of trenching for areas where the network must go underground the total build costs will be understated.
Quite simply the study’s basis for its cost estimates are unclear and given that a few weeks ago, at the industry briefings, NBN Co could not give the comparative costs of aerial versus underground it’s curious that the consultants have such firm understandings of costs. In contrast NBN Co won’t know comparative costs until they complete their five field trials.
Ultimately, though the business case for FTTH rests on retail pricing which the study is obviously silent on. Whilst the minister referred on the release of the study to the tariffs for the Tasmanian trial there is no understanding in the industry of the costs they will have to pass on to end users such as backhaul, provision of layer 3 and the costs of actual services. Consumers will also have some considerable costs in rewiring their home to take advantage of 100Mbits—especially HD TV which will require internal cabling even if broadband can be distributed within the house by wireless. This may be a disincentive.
In conclusion, the study reveals little other than if you set the hurdle for investment low enough (negligible or no return) you can build a business case.
The NBN’s rationale has switched from a commercial rollout to one justified by economy wide gains (externalities) which cannot be quantified and which aren’t dealt with in the study. Consequently. we don’t know if the NBN offers value for money as it doesn’t consider the cost of alternatives to deliver higher speeds – that would require a cost benefit analysis which the government hasn’t commissioned.
Kevin Morgan
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a very recent interview with Kevin Morgan can be heard on 2gb website – it makes for an excellent technical argument.
hugh gray
Friday, November 26, 2010 at 11:29 PMI find it incredulous that the full cost and benefit s of this proposal has not been done prior to the vote by the labour government passing the bill In fact I believe that should it be found that there is a better and cheaper way to do this connectivity then the politicians and the party that that put them there should be held liable. I E they should be force to pay back to the taxpayer all cost incurred over and above the projected cheapest cost to the public. and if this bankrupts not only the labour party their followers and the independents who have one one aim and that is to big-note themselves should pay for it all.