ATI And Nvidia DirectX 11 Graphics Cards Coming Soon?

@citizen024:

If I'm not mistaken, nVidia cards all support up to OpenGL 3.1 at the moment.

You can reset assured that they will support 3.2 when it comes out. Or 4.0. I'm not an OpenGL user so I don't know how their numbering works.

taniquetil

@Optimus-Prime: Can you use Keyboard and Mouse!?

@MisterWho *Star: On the plus side you aren't like most of the readers here that still live in Mom's basement

I_Like_Pie

@Ps360facepunch: That video was friggin hilarious XD.

My Nvidia TNT2 still rocks!

@MiltoxBeyond: I get accused of selling my soul to MicroCenter all the time. It's not my fault that they have amazing sales on processors there... List of recent sales I've seen:
Core 2 Quad q9950 (E0 Steppings :D) for $170
Core 2 Quad q9650s for $230
Best deal they had so far: i7 920s for $200

Without rebates too.

@taniquetil: Pfft. My old Rage I gets 256xQ anti-aliasing when running minesweeper, every setting maxed.

You people who get framerate issues when you go above a 24x30 grid need to upgrade to a state of the art Rage II

@NeoAkira: right, your wrong he is an ass...

Darin Walker

@PanhandleJoe:
I've got an 8400M. It's in that terrible sweet spot of being just under 90% of the system requirements put out today. Yours, on the other hand, is so far out of the ballpark, no one's even looking for it any more.

Blah8

@danger the pirate (silver star edition): Newegg has some great graphics cards at around $80-$120 range that will let you play most games at pretty good settings, depending on your other parts (memory quantity/quality, cpu)

And I don't work for Newegg but I've found their prices are almost always the lowest online with good shipping and customer service

MiltoxBeyond

@Canoehead: That's not really true... My 4870 only cost me 120 and plays games at a higher definition and better settings than my 360... I don't have to replace my system entirely like i'd have to replace the entire console because something new came out... the new cards will prolly be expensive but if your patient you can get good cards at a good price point...

MiltoxBeyond

@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD: I feel your pain. My laptop has a Radeon 7500. With 16 MB of VRam. Your average netbook has a better graphics card than my T30.

@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD:

@masshuum: Yeah, if you overclock, you can prolong the life a ton too. My $100 GeForce 8600 kept me going from '06 to December when it died. Right now, a $160 graphics card to add to your semi-recent PC will keep you gaming for at least 2 years easily.

The beauty of PC gaming is that it isn't a console.
MS, Sony, or Nintendo can say, this game only runs on our latest generation. On a PC, they can say that it should be run on a GeForce 260, like with Arkham Asylum, with a dedicated 9800 for physics. My 260 can do both and run well, as my 9600 could run the game on high, despite being below the required/recommended spec.

PCs aren't will it run, it's will it run well enough for you. I could settle for a framerate of 28 when playing Crysis.

@cynep: sumthin about..ms. pacman?

@OMG! Ponies!: Yeah. I don't play video games on my Xbox and haven't since my wife discovered Oblivion, Fable, Overlord, and the British Period Piece feed on Netflix.

@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD: we are a dying breed.

@UnderLoK: I know video editing apps take advantage of GPUs already (and Houdini uses NVidia's CUDA for better performance)

EShy

@Gordon McAlpin: And better games than WoW.

SFLegend: k rep

Reminds me of the onion movie

@Entaum: Very few games actually run in 1920x1080 on consoles, though...

Invisiblemoose

@dgaf8:

I don't think you're a moron. See, now we're both wrong.

Wait, will Solitaire support that???

Entaum

@[DFX] Deimos: Agree on most aspects, however most people don't have their PCs connected to 52inch FULL HD TVs, something the console gets easily done.

Besides console games provide fairest gameplay you can get, nobody is gonna have an unfair advantage over other players who don't have enough money to get an Uber PC. Let's also not forget that no matter what cheating is always more likely to happen with PC games...

Entaum

@citizensmith: Ha! That brought back old memories!

Entaum

@Winterymix: It's a great card. Even better for SFF rigs with meager power supplies as it doesn't require additional power from the PCIe bus.

hfm

u could of bought a new PC for 600$ and been set.

@NeoAkira:
I dont think you play much PC games or even know what direct x.. is for that matter.

Not everyone uses DirectX dammit! There are those like me who use OpenGL for all things graphical.

@Winterymix: I tend to look for rebates and bundles on low-high end hardware, and use bing cashback.

In January: Bought a GTX 260 with Mirror's Edge bundled- $170 after rebates and cashback, ebayed the Mirror's Edge for $30

@Winterymix: outdated is a stretch. dx10 can use many functions of dx11

jackbling

@hfm: True, I'm on a GTX 260 and I figure I can get 2 to 3 years out of it. At this point though, see if you can exchange it for one that'll give you probably an extra year.

@ottermann want's a Snickers: You can run Filemaker at 75fps... but your CMD window will definitely frag like mofo. Just try running "fdisk /testmbr" in full screen - you'll see what I'm talking about. :)

cynep

@Vulgar_Display: I can't tell you how many times I'd look at buying a PC game and see that it's not compatible with my video card that cost me $600 only 3 years ago. I know 3 years is a long time in computer world but my 3 year old 360 is still supported... and doesn't require me to shell out hudreds of dollars in upgrade to run the game without major issues.

Those $800 video cards that became obsolete in 2 months is what ruins PC gaming, esp. in this economy. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for realism and great graphics but if you can't optimize the dual GPU with insane speed to it's full potential and make it last at least.... 3-5 years - that's what drives the nail into PC gaming coffin.

Thanks, but I'll pass. Besides, it's somewhat harder to pirate console game than PC games and that may also push companies into developing for a more secure, more profitable platform.

cynep

@OMG! Ponies!: Exactly! I'm tired of buying a video card only to find out it's obsolete 5 minutes after I walk out of the store and doesn't work with the latest version of Tom Clancy's Ms. Pacman's Las Vegas Conspiracy or Tomagotchi Lite...

I'm so over the whole custom building, over-clocking, and dealing with sweaty nerds pawing and drooling at newest video card at computer shows, while completely ignoring totally hot asian chick with both headlights on standing right next to them.
sickening.

Wait, what were we talking about?

cynep

@Weakskills: councel gaming... i hate lawyers playing tricks on me.

irfan

I just bought a Radeon HD 4670. I'm always outdated. It's the result of not having a great deal of dispensable income. Gotta go for bang for the $.

Winterymix

@OMG! Ponies!:
You mean console's largely eliminated the development of good games. I remember when ever PC game released was something new and exciting, and graphics were always getting better. Console's ruined innovation.

Vulgar_Display

Good, so when DX11 comes out they can start working on DX10 finally, then warm up to DX11 once DX12 comes out.

So I should upgrade my VooDoo3 2000 then?

citizensmith

@Nick2: I'm sure that 4870 will probably give you years of gaming...

hfm

I'm running a 4670 with an Athlon64 3700+ single core, seems to play games just fine, even the newer ones.

I just realized my SFF box and 320G HD are just turning 3, and my CPU is about to turn 4! .. and I don't give a crap...

hfm

@Solday: DX11 should take off a lot better than 10. As long as there's developers for it, which is in question unfortunately, the platform should fare much better than the bastard child of Vista did.

masshuum

@Optimus-Prime: Madden is no longer released on PCs.

And it isn't expensive. If you buy a gaming PC purely for gaming, nothing else, yeah it's expensive. But that almost never happens since it is very much a multitasker.

A CPU lasts longer than a graphics card and you can generally upgrade 2-6 graphics cards before you need to even worry about your CPU and everything else.

You also only need to spend $250 max, $150 average on a card, brand new, to play all current games at acceptable performance levels, I.E still better than consoles. Just look at Oblivion on the consoles and on PC, there's no comparison.

I still love my consoles, but if I can get a game on PC and it wasn't a hack port, I'll always choose it over the console version with few exceptions.

masshuum

Anyone looking for a 512 GB PCI card for an early 2008 Mac Pro Tower? I have one. lanejasper69@msn.com

I'm going back to spade, slapjack, life, chutes and ladders, old maid, uno, etc. they are fun with beer right?

GTX 260 damn! just bought it, doubt it's obsolete, I love it no matter what! pfffllllTTTT!!!

yep, still running a 8800gts... won't be upgrading until i can upgrade my processor away from a SINGLE CORE. Rolling with the AMD 3300+, oh baby. Surprisingly it still runs most new games, a little slow unless the graphics are turned down, but still workable.

ilves

@[DFX] Deimos: i mostly agree with you but its SOO expensive comparitively. I got a used PS3 fat for like $300 and i can play COD4 with a keyboard and mouse i believe. VS upgrading my entire computer.

And why not play madden on your PC?

Optimus-Prime

Wow....I got another 8800GTS 512 so that I can run SLi on my machone about 4 months ago....not that it helped me all that much on day to day stuff seeing as how I'm still running windows XP. By the time Windows 7 is out I'll still be a full generation behind. Oh well, I'm poor. C'est la vie.

oneswellfoop

I had a 8800gtx and just recently upgraded to the gt275. I couldn't wait any longer for the gt300 series. So I guess I will satisfy with that card for now.
But, I do plan on buying a supertalent pci-express SSD to boot win7 off of. :) That will be my expensive upgrade for the new OS.

olternaut

Awesome, I need better high resolution performance.

In my opinion, PC gaming is far superior to console gaming for several reasons including (but not limited to):

* Superior in game communication
* Superior graphics
* Superior controls
* Customization / modification abilities

The only reason I bought a console was for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Madden games.

I think I might actually stop buying a new graphics cards until they are completely programmable like the upcoming Intel Larrabee. That future is already looming upon us. A future where games would look unique because they wouldn't all use the same ideltical DirectX effects.

I've got an ATI Xpert 128

PanhandleJoe

PC's are to Apple as PC Gaming is to Counsel gaming, incase you miss my drift, counsel gaming sucks.

Weakskills

@Canoehead: On the plus side, our GPUs are going to start putting in work soon enough (assuming some apps come out that take advantage of it...).

@Nanan00: If you're getting frame rates that good, you need a bigger monitor. :)

Gordon McAlpin

@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD: Recently ditched my 7900GS for a HD4850.

I always skip a generation. I'll be waiting for the HD6800/GT400 generation.

@taniquetil: Yea! now I can get 182 fps instead of 130 fps in WoW that I am getting currently with my 4870x2.

I think I am going to hold off until the 6xxx generation or 2011, by that time PCIE 3.0, and USB 3.0 boards will be out and core i7 2.0 Gulftown cpu's, mb, and ddr3 ram should be down to sane prices.

Nanan00

@PigVenus: I've got an x1900!

robotsneedhugs2

@ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD: Does this mean I will have to replace my Radeon x1800 GTO?
Darn... I was hoping to get yet another 3 years out of it!

PigVenus

@Hooray4Zoidberg:

On Newegg and Amazon, PC games retail for $10 less on release, which is pretty fantastic.

taniquetil

@ottermann want's a Snickers:

Dude, 64X anti-aliasing on Minesweeper. You can actually get it up to 128X if you overclock.

taniquetil

@OMG! Bacon!:

Hate to break it to you, buddy, but according to Techspot.com, the new ATI 5800 series boast a 1.4x performance increase over the previous generation.

taniquetil

@Log1c:

Win7 has been able to run DX11 since I believe the Beta trial, so it's been around for a solid 6 months now.

taniquetil

@brandeis1:

Hey, chin-up man. DirectX 10.1 was only released like, a year ago.

That being said, the new nVidia GT300 line looks absolutely ridiculous, so, if it helps at all, go rack yourself with guilt until you fold and buy a 395GTX.

taniquetil

I have a 285 that I just bought recently. Was planning on these cards coming soon so I bought one from BFG so I could take advantage of their step-up program. Worst case I just buy a new card and make the 285 a physics card. :)

Raziel66

@Dafrety: See if you can return it and pay the 15% restocking fee

My 4850 is just fine. Jeez...i have the unbearable urge to keep up...but it's so just damn hard.

I still have a 7900GS...

@Mr_Biggles: The difference is most PC games come out at $50 and can usually be had for $30-40 within a few weeks of release via some sale. If you wait longer they'll drop to $20 so it can even out eventually since console games stay at $60 for a while. Also you don't have to update your PC as much as some people believe although I do agree with the point that most vcards are more than a console. I just love my mouse keyboard combo for FPS games.

Hooray4Zoidberg

I still haven't used my 8800GTS on a dx10 game. So upgrading to a dx11 card isn't going to happen for me unless I build a whole new computer, which is probably going to be another couple of years.

@cabjf:

When Windows 7 starts taking over, you'll soon start seeing games that take more advantage of DX10/11. Probably won't see games requiring DX11 for about 2-3 years, since people have to upgrade from Windows XP first.

@fuzzymuffins:

What are you talking about? GTA IV is available for PC and has been for almost a year: [www.amazon.com]

@OCEntertainment: That should be printed on the top flap of the packaging for all new graphics cards.

heltoupee

@Canoehead: To be a computer gamer costs cash its not for everyone. Once you do it for awhile you know when to upgrade and when to not. I myself have been waiting for the new video cards for about a year... also since i didnt have direct x 10 i didnt need to upgrade the video card hooray for windows XP

Ya, I knew this day would come. I recently bought 2x HD 4890's in crossfire. I promised myself I wouldn't buy any more computer parts for 2-3 years...so no DirectX 11 for me!

Hopefully DirectX11 won't be worth the upgrade.

Those jerks! Nah, just kidding, they're alright. I'll just keep my year old graphics card that does me more than adequately.

Ike_Skelton

@OMG! Ponies!:

for me GTA IV was the final nail in my PC gaming coffin. with no PC release i was 'forced' into getting a PS3. no regrets. (other than having to actually buy/rent games.. lol)

the only serious gaming on my PC now is good old MAME.

i suppose this post is more for MMMMOG players...

@Log1c: As you said, with the release of Win7. so I'd guess it's already out.

@MB. i didnt have the money to buy a graphics card... and still dont.

@OMG! Ponies!: I don't find that to be true at all. Massive Multiplayer Games, Shooters (especially multiplayer focused ones), and strategy games (real-time or otherwise) all still have a strong showing on the PC. I say use the platform that fits. A keyboard is better for communicating or more complicated controls and a mouse is better for precise movement control. On the other hand, a standardized controller and networking system is more approachable and intuitive for the most part. For me, PC gaming has been more about types of games that do not translate well to consoles, usually based on user interface requirements.

cabjf

I've become a huge chump since getting married. I still have the low end video card that came bundled with my Dell, a 480p plasma TV, the stock (tape deck) radio and speakers that came with my used car.

I guess "real life" and "responsibilities" have changed my "priorities."

goody. Why must i buy things right before they update them?

zenfluence

@OMG! Ponies!: That's the truth isn't it? I've both the PS3 and 360 and haven't seriously upgraded my comp since 2003...It's alot simpler to spend $60 on a game you know will run, hopefully, fine on your machine...

Stearling

@Canoehead: It's the truth, used to play C&C all the time, hell I bought Red Alert 3 for my 360 because I'm so behind the power curve...

Stearling

if AGP is good enough for me, it's good enough for anybody

mfaerber

@cabjf: Agreed, plus unless developers code specifically for DX11 it won't be much of an improvement since most aren't even doing that for DX10 yet I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Hooray4Zoidberg

Ehhh. Just picked up and old Nvidia 9800 GTX yesterday for a new computer build. Pretty sure it can still run Crysis with nominal settings.

Also as stated above - I would much rather have a PS3 than a new, top-grade vid card.

MaceWandru

@cabjf: I was just thinking the same thing. Im a PC gamer mostly and ive still not used anything that uses directx 10.

Wow.

I just realized I've been putting off buying a new graphics card for so long, that a new DirectX came out.

/facepalm

@Kaiser-Machead: I've got a voodoo 3 I can sell you.

Hooray4Zoidberg

So.....the article doesn't say.
Will any of these new cards support my FileMaker?
I need to input data into my database at 75fps, at a minimum, to be competitive in this world.
And, if I don't see sharp textures on my desktop icons, I just get cranky.

Oh, and most importantly, will they support anti-aliasing for Minesweeper?

ottermann want's a Snickers

@SJRNWT: I understand. I have a PS3 and and XBox 360. My only point is that the PC is more of a niche gaming platform now as consoles largely eliminated the hardware arms-race.

AUGH. I just got a 4870! *facepalm*

@OMG! Ponies!: Same, except I sold my XBox and got a PS3.

No flame war intended, I only did the trade-off because of Little Big Planet lol

SJRNWT

This is why, as much as I love computers, I have become a convert to console gaming, where the entire system costs the same as just a graphics card.

Canoehead

Arrrggh, not again! It's been several days now!

The hell with that, I'm replacing this integrated crap with a 9800 gtx+ in a week and I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA

@danger the pirate (silver star edition): If it's a laptop, don't feel too bad.

If it's a stationary, then shame on you!

@KriKit: one thing to keep in mind, is dx11 cards require dx11 games, which will follow the cards release

also you dont have to upgrade, a 9800gtx+(or a $120 gts250(same card rebranded)) from yesteryear can still play crysis(or anything else for that matter) on high at 1680x1050 with 4xAA, or 1900x1200(1920x1080 as well) just may have to drop aa or another setting to hit your 40-50fps range.

you can build a gaming pc that will remain viable for 4-5 years for about 850 counting a 22" lcd.

jackbling

@OMG! Ponies!: I don't play video games on my PC since I got my PSOne.

Hopefully by release time 120hz monitors will have dropped in price to get in on the steroescopic 3d. would be a good time to upgrade.

jackbling

Sonofab...

*sigh* i dont even have a graphics card. ive got onboard video. handles 1080 just fine, so i think im ok. as long as i dont try to play any games.

Supposedly we should see the HD5800 in the middle of September. Before Windows 7 releases with DX11.

Actually, when the hell does DX11 hit?

@OCEntertainment: Also, I don't think obsolete is correct. I haven't even encountered anything that requires DirectX 10 yet. Because of the requirement to upgrade from XP, Microsoft has severely handicapped adoption of DirectX 10 and up.

cabjf

Is it just me, or are first gen cards (for each revision of DX) actually quite naff? The GF3 was OK for tech demos, but when it came to DX 8.1 games, you needed a GF4 or Radeon 8500 to get frames per second, rather than seconds per frame. Lets not talk about the GF FX range and DX9 (although the Radeon 9700 was veeery sweet, ATIs finest moment).

My understanding of DX has waned a lot since the "good old days" but what I get is that DX11 is more a refinment of existing capability and the average gamer won't see a huge difference on the screen.

Zoolook

Yeah. I don't play video games on my PC and haven't since I got an XBox.

Well, maybe it's finally time to take my ATI 3D Rage II and finally put the ol' girl out to pasture :(

Kaiser-Machead

"Your Graphics Card is Obsolete Again"

You know, you could probably write a script to automate this kind of article. You know, just get it to run once a week or so with your virus scan or whatever.

I'm glad I don't play the upgrade game anymore.

KriKit