What’s The Fallout If North Korea Nukes Hawaii?

@Hi, I'm God: US has no money to go to war...they used all their money to save American automakers :-)

@David Artz: And let God sort out the rest!

johnfrombrooklyn

@Asherek: Well there's also the European solution. Sit in cafes, smoke cigarettes, bitch about Americans, and do nothing at all.

johnfrombrooklyn

@zarchitect: Kim Jong Il drives a jacked up truck?

johnfrombrooklyn

@Bull By The Horns: Please. It would take about 30 days for the US Army to wipe out the entire North Korean army. You must have no idea. There obviously wouldn't be a storming of Normandy but the US military has 100 jets and ships for every 1 of North Korea. There would obviously be huge losses - more than anyone wants to consider - but your post seems to indicate that the North Koreans could actually put up a decent fight. No way.

johnfrombrooklyn

@Asherek: Funny because the same peoples that hate America are also the ones leaving their lawyer and doctor jobs to drive me in a cab in New York City.

johnfrombrooklyn

@goodcow: Technically you can but the friendly side - South Korea is their next-door neighbor. And they are also close to other friendly asian countries so it's really more complicated than just nuking evil North Korea. The more ideal scenario is the nation stage a 'people's power' to overthrow the communist government but I'm afraid their citizens have no strength to do that due to hunger.

@Brett Jackson:

That's hardly true. Name one great civilization that didn't have weapons?

Without the need to create better metals for weapons I seriously doubt modern metallurgy wouldn't exist. Not to mention conflict has often been the reason for technological advancement of weapons/ defense components and the means to support the people designing, building, using weapons/ defenses. The first true computer was one built for decoding transmissions from Germans in WW2.

So long as you classify technological advancement and improvements in quality of life as advancing society. (I do.) Then conflict and weapons will always be a major contributing factor. "Necessity is the mother of invention."

RyaninCalgary

@Bull By The Horns:

I would totally fight to save others!!

"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." (Ecclesiastes 3:8)

tencommandments

@GraphicoFantastico:

SOO TRUE!!!

tencommandments

@Bull By The Horns:

When America was attacked, that was the final straw, it was the day to focus our eyes on those who want to kill. I wish we could simply just talk it out, but most radicals have their mind made up and if they threaten and kill the life/lives of innocent people, it must be stopped.

tencommandments

@Mikael:

It seems like that is what they are willing to do, they believe we won't do anything to stop them, because we should 'let people do and behave anyway they feel and want'. This is the kind of belief amongst many americans today. With that thinking, death is sure to follow.

tencommandments

@goodcow:

They have threatened us, they know what we are capable of since the bombing of Hiroshima and such, but because of Barack and his 'known' state of mind, they do not think we will do anything, so they are flexing their muscles in hopes to gain more recognition and fear from the other countries.

tencommandments

@Asherek: I think it's more typical than most Americans want to admit. Look at the number of murders we have every year. We have little value for life it seems. It seems too many Americans don't understand the simple idea of a trapped animal.

A small country under pressure from the rest of the world is like a cornered animal. But instead of teeth and claws, this animal might use a nuke. Never underestimate the willingness of a sick old man, that doesn't like his children(except his daughter who can't be the leader)to decide to go out with a bang. He could decide that he would rather see it all go in a fight, than to die feeling that it will all fall under the influence of west once he's gone.

And thew man is not completely naive. He knows a missile will never make it to the US. Russia and China have warned him that they would shoot it down long before we got involved. Seoul would be his target. But the blame would be on the US even though we won't be the ones that truly suffer for it.

Dcbronco

Weapons only serve one purpose, to kill. Weapons never advance society.

Brett Jackson

@technocoy: Well said, thanks and +1.

@GraphicoFantastico: Apparently, you've never been to the HI islands. A 50Mt bomb (massive) would be able to take out the big island, but wouldn't reach Maui.

If you were at Honolulu airport, and watched a 6kt bomb (NK's nuke) go off in the center of Honolulu, you probably wouldn't even feel any heat or pressure, but you might have vision problems. And you'd shit your pants.

Jackhole

@AreWeThereYeti: I agree with what you pointed out. If North Korea smells any nuclear warheads going their way within the radar, within minutes of a war starting, the casualties suffered in the south korea would be in the hundreds of thousands.

And if that is not enough, if anyone ever fired a Nuke in this day and age, im sure by the next week, we wont recognize the face of this world anymore.

Acidzburns

@anfield:

I'm personally tired of pricks like you telling Americans to STFU.

First, most Americans aren't the slightest bit concerned that NK could even attack the US. They are concerned that NK could unleash on SK and Japan. That's actually the entire reason they probably haven't been dealt with already. The casualties would be ungodly high. Also, what about all the innocent completely oppressed people IN NK that would lose their lives? These people are starved, denied basic human rights and restricted from travel. Not very nice if you ask me.

I'll give all you whining sniveling pricks the 100% go ahead to bitch and moan about Iraq. I do it myself. It was the biggest dumbest fuck up of dipshit's presidency and was a complete snowjob, but in case YOU don't pay attention to international politics, over half of Americans don't agree with the war in Iraq.

But this anti American shit is getting old. Sometimes I wish we would fail, know why?

Because we are the single largest deterrent to Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and many other smaller countries teaming up and turning you all into comrades and military and labor camp workers.

Yes, there are a whole lot of fat, uninformed, ethnocentric dipshits here, but I'll be damned if I'm not starting to realize they are everywhere else too.

You call Americans pussys, but part of me would love to see how quickly all you awesome, hard core and unwavering bad-asses would be hiding in holes in the ground within months after a US collapse. We may not do things right all the time, and we may be the biggest shopping mall in the world, but by god there are people in the country who despite the wars that about securing resources, etc, also just want to see people be free and un-oppressed. Mayb freedom isn't for everyone, but when I see things like Iran going down I gotta think there are at least a few countries out there who would still like the right of expression, freedom and liberty.

STFU and go crawl in a communist workcamp hole somewhere you fucking nancy ass bitch.

God bless Barack Obama and God Bless the USA and all the freedom that has come and remains as a result of the blood flowing from American Soldiers bodies and those they sought to protect and free from tyranny.

Cheers.

technocoy

Just span broadcast on all frequencies next seasons American Idol. Those pussies will be the first to start ringing in votes.

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave: i'm sure South Korea will feel as if a huge shit was just cleaned off of their face. they have more problems with the North than anyone.

@gwolf: With like 260 N Koreans out of a thousand belonging in the military, AND their deeply rooted hatred for Americans, We wouldn't be liberating very many N Koreans. In grade school they study math like this: If you have 13 Americans, and you kill five, how many Americans do you have left??

@RyaninCalgary: Kinetic space weapons. I remember the article in PopSci like 15 years ago.

@goodcow: Bomb from afar. One of the classic blunders is of course getting involved in a land war in Asia.

@AlphaUltima: America knew about the Japanese and Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen to push us into the war. 9-11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq and we went in anyway, preemptive war, as I have clearly stated in previous posts, that train of thinking is why the rest of the world hates us and has probably caused more deaths than any other reason. We as Americans should ALWAYS take the high road, not torture, not nation build, and set the example for the rest of the world. As far as NK, leave them alone, they cannot touch the US with this missile and they do not have the technology yet to make this nuclear. (making nukes smaller was a leap even for the US) We take the higher road.

My apartment is literally right outside of the pressure wave zone. This isn't a good thing.

mindbender9

@stre: Yes, but the machinery is medium level radioactive compared to high level radioactive produced by fission plants. Plus the reactor lasts longer then fuel rods so its more of an extremely large reduction in radioactive waste

Zomb

@litbruin: Yea, but under the threat of nuclear retaliation korea can get away with almost anything

Zomb

@MrHaroHaro: I'm not entirely sure Kim Jung Il has Nk's best interests in mind. By furthering the developement of ballistic missles and nuclear weapons he has created a strong tension in the world. After seeing what excuse the the Bush admin used to invade Iraq he might of not developed the weapons in the first place. Nuclear weapons are a complete self destruction weapon in NK's hands. If the use them most of the world will be instantly united against them and KJI can kiss his throne good bye. North Korea's best interests are clearly not served in this instance yet KJI continues to pursue this course. There is fairly good chance the KJI desires to cause a war, take south korea for example and with ballistic missles he can threaten the world with nuclear retaliation of they try to intervene. Logicaly if someone you did not trust was pointing a gun at you would you A) shoot first, B) hope he doesn't shoot. I'm talking about a nuclear bombing, but a precise bombing of military targets. The US cannot use nuclear weapons if it intends to maintain diplomatic relations with the rest of the world.

Zomb

@GraphicoFantastico: First of all, we went into Iraq because of the threat of WMD's. There was sufficient evidence from intelligence agencies from all over the world including the English and the Russians. Secondly, instability in the middle east = instability in the rest of the world. If you are under the illusion that we went their to seize oil you are sadly mistaken. We did not take one DROP of oil from them for our gain as a country. We sit on an oil reserve FOUR TIMES larger than Saudi Arabias, why would we need their oil? I find it incredibly imusing that most of you ( meaning liberals ) claim to be humanitarians, but when we help stop the atrocities of Saddam Hussein against his own people you call it a cover-up for our real "imperialist" agenda.... By the way, have you ever actually listened to the lyrics and try to comprehend the meaning of a Bruce Springsteen song, especially "Born in the USA". That song is about how the US government didn't give a dam about any of the Vietnam veterans.

Shannon Gallagher

@Amir Oulad: Why does war still exist??? ANYWAY, a Neutron Bomb is more environmentally friendly. It kills people, and two weeks later, there's no radioactivity, so that troops can move in.

bugstomper

@Priaptor: Priaptor that has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone write. This is not a 16th century pecker contest. I sure hope you never get put in charge of anything more important than a Starbucks.

gwolf

The real danger is that the U.S. conventional military is so tied up everywhere else. We might not have any choice but to take the economical course and turn Pyongyang into really pretty green glass. I am afraid we just can't afford to do the humane thing and liberate the North Koreans. In any case the only way the North or anyone else would attack us would be by accident. They might as well launch it against their own cities for all the good it would do them.
This is just right wing fear mongering designed to get your money into defense contractors pockets.

gwolf

I remember reading a long time ago about how the US wanted to put 40' graphite rods tipped with heat shields and guidance systems in space. The idea was to use high velocity impacts to simulate nuclear explosions without the fallout. I wonder how far along the project went. I know there's a ban on space weapons but this seems like it would be a really good option to destroy the power centers of a country without killing millions of civilians and allies in surrounding countries with fallout.

I've searched google but couldn't find any information if anyone remembers or finds it please post a link here. Thank you.

RyaninCalgary

We dont have several thousand nukes for nothing.

rjflyn

NK is some distance from Hawaii, I see that if anything gets fired in that direction our first option is going to be to shoot it down. After doing that some quick surgical strikes on the locations on from which where it came. The next move would be an immediate message sent out that we the US will be dropping/raining nukes on NK's major cities if there is any kind of return fire period and of discussion.

rjflyn

Just leave Kaua'i the hell out of it.

aboriginal

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave: I've said it before & I'm sure I'll say it again - You, sir, have too much time on your hands.

crackblind

@Heliophage: I did the same thing the first time I found the site. It's like watching a train wreck... into a nuclear stockpile.

Greg Lloyd

@Acheron's Grief: Wow! It's just crazy. And upsetting.

Greg Lloyd

so sadly the only way america can screw nk up is until they do the first move. it worked for pearl harbor and 9/11. it's really sad even with something like the UNITED NATIONS can't figure out what to do with these idiots. it's like a whole neighborhood of parents can't figure out how to get rid of the family that's running a meth lab and ready to blow the house up with it.

AlphaUltima

@aural: dammit. it's a block from where i live. i'll be dead well before others according to gizmodo.

ralphwiggum1

@Woden501: I say aim for Detroit. It can't get any worse can it?

Cordfucious of Tech Clan

@axiom: I don't know ask Sarah Palin.. I bet she knows.

Cordfucious of Tech Clan

@trebory6:

i completely agree, they are brainwashed throughout their lives.

CharitableNinja

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: Yeah because then there would be no retaliation of any other country tossing over nukes at the US, right?

It doesn't matter if you can obliterate your enemy or not using nukes, they can launch them back at you too.

I guess we all win! Fallout 3 here we come.

Asherek

@Bull By The Horns: I should have phrased it better.

Not every American's reaction persay, but unfortunately an alarmingly high number of Americans' reaction. The number of people who think like this is far too high.

So, not "Typical American reaction", but "Typical moronic American reaction that is being perpetuated as the stereotype" is what I should have said I suppose.

Asherek

@Asherek: I evidently fail at using HTML tags.

Asherek

@KineticRocketFireBalls: Well then, SAY IT like that.

The war was never pitched as any of the above that you mentioned. It was always about "Finding Weapons of Mass Destruction" or "defeating Al Queda" or "Liberating Iraq".

You and I both know that's not what it was really about. Why all the masked agenda then?

The US needing oil to function is also a pretty asinine reason to go to war and then claim it was for the benefit of the Iraqi people and for national security against Al Queda". That's what myself and many, many others have an issue with more than anything.

Asherek

@iPhoneUser:

What a moron this iPhone user. I just wish I could be the guy in line in front of this idiot in airport security. Not the guy behind him, because they are going to jack him eight ways from Sunday.

Hey Einstein, keep talking because my cousin echelon is really curious to know which countries deserved to be bombed next. Can you hear funny crackle and pop on your iPhone? you will...

alpha24seven

@Paradise: If North Korea were to nuke Hawaii, who gives a fuck what China thinks?

@Dane Gonsalves: This assumes they have that much accuracy in their weapons. In reality I think some guy goes out to the launch pad, lights a little fuse with his bic, and hopes it hits somewhere within a 1000 miles of the desired target. So it could land right on top of your house or miles out in the ocean, or explode on the launch pad for all we know.

redman042

@Brian Enigma: Nah, they could weave it into the storyline without blinking an eye.

redman042

This is stupid. NK is NOT going to nuke Hawaii. It's very doubtful they could even pull it off if they tried. Yes the US should take the threats seriously and put up protective measures just in case, but the reality here is that NK is just talking shit, and nothing else. That's what they do. That's what they've always done. They are just playing us. We don't need to be drawing maps of the fallout radius over Hawaii. That's taking it a bit too far.

redman042

@Asherek: I have ALWAYS attempted to not perpetuate the image of the ugly American no matter what continent I am on. THIS is NOT the typical American and this is NOT the viewpoints of ANY NCO or officer in the ranks of the military. We will fight if need be, lay down our lives if the cause is just, (hoping to make them lay down their lives on a 50 to 1 ratio in turn) but hoping all along, that our elected officials can use diplomacy to solve the issue before a bullet has to. War is our LAST resort. Bush never understood that, Clinton wasn't much better and Reagan, as Obama now, has chosen to wait, let diplomacy take its hold, let concessions work their magic and allow the rest of the world to look on as we as Americans take the higher road as the rest of the world sees the DPRK as the enemy.

Other posts of mine state PRNK, but it has been a while and I see someone else has written it correctly, DPRK. Thanks

Assuming NK got a nuke, (not the pathetic ones they have already) They would probably use it on South Korea. In which case they lose their best chance of fighting back when we retaliate and flatten them.

that_other_guy

@AmphetamineCrown: ;]

@Man In Gauze is an obscure reference to Courage the Cowardly Dog.: Well Captain obvious, [i]nothing[/i] gets past you.

justagigilo85

@Asherek: I honestly don't even see why there has to be a "hidden" agenda or illusion of an altruistic goal to set up democracy. Securing resources while killing terrorists in the process seems like two legitimate reasons to go to war to me. Imagine if we had never gone over there, and oil was eventually cut off from America? Our own resources absolutely could not provide for our massive consumption of oil, leading to rationing and balancing between whether industries or consumers get what little we have. It is absolutely vital to any industry, and necessary for all transportation of goods, while the average person absolutely needs gas in their tanks to get around as most cities are too spread out and don't have the means to rely solely on public transportation. We need oil for the US to function, and it is self-evident why terrorism needs to be neutralized. We do this for security and stability; in our resources, and from potential threats to our people. And to me, that's all the reason we need.

KineticRocketFireBalls

@D0rk: OK, the economy is limping, but do you propose to send good men, fathers, sons, daughters, to die to boost your 401K??

@Woden501: The Reagan Lybia approach, I love it. Lets toss in some Tom Clancy and make the bomb out of cellulose, then no one would be able to point a finger.

No sarcasm, really

NOOOOO, not Hawaii! We stole that fair and square!

styfle

@pevans34: His BROTHER gassed the Kurds and he was consequently relieved of his Area Of Operations. Sure Saddam did terrible things but we funded his rise to power and did you know, Iraq was once called the America of the middle east?? They were more modernized than any other, and progressive in their thinking. I hate it when people demonize an entire country of folks because of a few bad apples. How many people did the US kill when we showed up?? (a lot more than 500K) Hell, 90% of the people we killed were civilians, the other 10% were imports from Iran and Syria. (but also that is not to say that a farmer put together an IED and took out a few troops because a M-1 ran over his daughter)

@Finstern is not american.... or german for that matter:

Isn't Alaska closer to North Korea though?

@GraphicoFantastico: All my men made it back in one piece with two different units, 1st ID for the first round and 101st for the second. 183 missions in the second go around as the lead vehicle in convoy security with both the M-1114 and the M-1117, tip of the spear baby!! Gun Truck 1, out!

@ian.nai: Word

@Beastage: I beg to differ, PRNK has the third largest army on the planet at last count and the most soldiers per citizens of ANY country on this planet. They are well armed and well trained, however, they may starve if locked in a lengthy conflict. ROK, or S. Korea would at this point be just a speed bump if Mr. Il wanted to march south Kuwait style, right up until the carrier group started launching cruise missiles and flying sorties. It is true, with diplomacy we should pin them down, make them choose between guns and food, protect the ROK soldiers and their homeland, and not act hastily to any of their aggression. We know they could deal us a blow, but THEY know it would be suicide in the end. BTW, hand-to-hand combat with a ROK soldier wearing no shirt in the snow is NO joke, he is looking to hurt you!!! As an added point, in school the kids learn, 'If you have 13 Americans and you kill five, how many are left?'.

@MrHaroHaro: Second that. Plus it makes no sense to use up your best hand in the first instigation of war. You will have NOTHING to follow it up with. The US? Oh we just have a fu**ing motherassload of Nukes sitting around eating up money. You throw six our way, we have 600 coming right back atcha. Cards are not in NK's favor to use i nuke. Its much better for them to posture themselves like the irrate pissant short loner in school who keeps flicking your ear in class when the teachers not looking and while you know you can turn around and gouge his eyes out in an instant, the ramnifications aren't worth it so you tolerate the bitch until after school when you kick him in the balls and walk away.

litbruin

@cmaceachen: They did put him on office,didn't they?

@AreWeThereYeti: No bomb. Use sattelite lasers. /fixed

BTW.. South Korea is the shit. That must suck for them.

@AmphetamineCrown: Uh..yeh...that's what I meant... "God...dude, where's my troll?"

:-)

If it happens, NK will get all the nukes it ever wanted...shoved right up where it doesn't want it.

ian.nai

@TheUCanes: You are beyond stupid. Seriously beyond stupid.

Asherek

@justagigilo85: No, that is complete bullshit. You don't detonate an atomic weapon over a populated area with no casualties. If the buildings were eradicated, what happened to the people in them?

@Oroborus: Also the general consensus is that it would miss and most likely just detonate off shore somewhere. In which case he kills some fish. And North Korea disapears.

im.thatoneguy2

@borgseawolf: The Japanese blasts were also visually overblown due to the nature of construction in those cities. Most buildings were literally made from wood and paper. Detonating a similar weapon in a modern city have dramatically different outcomes due to all the steel and concrete. By comparison we build bunkers now.

Also I can't find the article but this one is similar:
[www.washingtonpost.com]

In effect. The long term effects of radioactive fallout have been overblown. An epidemiological study has concluded that there were little to no birth defects or increases in cancer attributable to those who were not present at the detonation. And most within proximity to the blast to receive sufficient radiation doses died almost immediately.

im.thatoneguy2

@goodcow:

@Hi, I'm God: It's your attitude that has put us in the situation that we couldn't do that even if we wanted to.

ARP

@trebory6: I think your summation of N. Korea's situation and possible conflict is a bit oversimplified. For one it really would never be in NK's best interest to go around bombing the US or our allies. It is actually in their best interest to keep us guessing what weaponry they have, that way they can leverage concessions from the US and it's allies. If they were to bomb the US or an ally, that just means they HAVE to deal with the US and its allies in all out war. Getting one bomb on their enemy isn't worth them losing all the power they've built up since the creation of the DPRK. Kim Jong il is crazy, there is no doubt about it, but there is some logic behind his and his government's madness. If you see interviews with former propaganda agents of N. Korea you will see how carefully orchestrated everything is.

@D0rk: Partially. Economic indicators were all improving long before the war due to public works programs to get people employed. Fox News simply makes the foregone conclusion that it did nothing. Not true. The war was an equivalent of a 2nd "stimulus." In the current situation, we're hoping to build roads, bridges, wind power, etc. rather than fighters, tanks, and jeeps.

ARP

@im.thatoneguy2: Also some epidemiological studies have suggested that there have been almost 0 'second hand' radiation cases in Japan from the nuclear detonations. That is to say statistically speaking there has been no change in cases of leukemia etc in people who were not present in 1945.

im.thatoneguy2

@Amir Oulad:
We've detonated hundreds of weapons above ground. Our radiation exposure isn't that much higher than it was before. It doesn't take "Just one" to kill us all. It takes "Just One" near by and up wind.

im.thatoneguy2

They're actually targeting a Naval base on Kuwaii. I'll be staying there for a month starting June 10th, but i feel safe. We can nock they're little bottlerocket out of the sky 100 miles away

LegoShark

@Hi, I'm God: Typical American reaction. Apparently there's only two ways to solve a problem: nuke them or invade them.

Seriously, you represent nearly all that is wrong with America in the first place. Have you stopped to consider this is precisely the reason why most of the world hates America?

Asherek

@Asherek: thats why oil prices over here have absolutley plummeted right?

@PuckDaddy: Yeah thats why there was a period between the two. that means its a different thought. we went after bin laden because of 9/11. NEW STATEMENT Sadaam was the deliverer of death.

And I know that a lot of the people there ARE innocent, but what can we do about it? They are blocked in, and don't know what's going on in the world. And it still doesn't change the fact they hate us and would kill us on site.

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: Geez, all these responses and no one has pointed out the main reason we don't do something about North Korea: anytime they want, they can level Seoul, South Korea, with the largest concentration of artillery in the world , killing millions of people in the process. In effect, they have millions of hostages.

So any kind of belligerent Rambo approach ain't gonna work. This one has to be solved by thinking, not by kicking ass.

AreWeThereYeti

@cmaceachen: Ok, I haven't read that whole comment thing, but what about all the people in America? You have to think, that if we erase North Korea from the equation, then things are better.

If left to their own accord, North Korea would probably not only bomb America, but all of our allies too so that they would have the upper hand if there were to be a world war. What about all those people who would die?

Now when I say bomb them, I don't mean just randomly ASAP, I mean that we should give them a limit, and if they cross that limit then we bomb them. They are a violent, unstable country that has the ability to create an all out nuclear war. Not just Nuclear bombing, a WAR.

Think back to Hiroshima, the Atomic Bomb that was dropped there, pretty much ended the Second World War. So if we were to use a bomb in the same way, then we would probably drop it on the capital city where that evil fat funny looking guy is. Minimal collateral damage due to the majority of the city being brainwashed citizens.

That's another thing, is that if you have ever read about North Korea, the kids and everyone are raised to believe all this crap about the world, they are hit with tons of propaganda saying that North Korea is the victim, and everyone else is the enemy. By the time they can join the military, they WANT to join. They aren't innocent. They will hit the kill button same as any other person in that government. They may not have had any other choice, but I don't know about you, but I'm not going to spare someone who would love to see my reaction as my children get raped and killed in front of me, and then shoot me.

/end rant

@anfield: "it's not a "dangerous" country for the avg American by any stretch of the imagination." So Hawaiians aren't really Americans?

thanks for the support, RR would approve of using that quote for this situation.

@pevans34:

mcryder

@Firebrand:

Firebrand

@pevans34:
I believe the reason for the invasion of Iraq is weapon of mass destruction...

Firebrand

@kimchi43: just going out on a limb, but i'm guessing he just typed in "honolulu" and didn't give a shit about waikiki. you lose 10 internets, moron.

stre

@fastharry: Better millions of them than ONE of ours.

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave: Goddammit, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!

pixelpushing

@crackblind: Hell, I'd piss on a sparkplug if I thought it'd do any good.

+ Watch video

I'm actually modding a case that's I've painted matte olive drab and had a friend cut out the exact wording from WOPR in the movie in vinyl and added some random flashing LED's to the grill. I'll post a pict later.

@jupit3r: we apparently need to improve our schools (not that i didn't already know that).

1) a hydrogen bomb (also known as a fusion bomb) uses a regular fission bomb to create the temperatures and pressures needed for a runaway fusion reaction in a core of tritium.

2) hydrogen bombs produce a veritable boatload of radiation anyway. example: our magnetosphere is shielding us from deadly amounts of radiation that are being pumped out by our sun (which is a giant fusion reactor). this radiation would 'activate' elements in the immediate surroundings, turning them radioactive anyway. assuming you could produce a fusion bomb without any fission being required, there would still be radioactive material everywhere...just not as much.

it's for this reason that i twitch a bit when someone touts fusion energy as being "radioactive waste free". there will be a significant decrease in waste, since the spent fuel won't be radioactive, but the machinery in the containment building of a fusion reactor would become radioactive, so whenever you replaced a piece of equipment, you'd have radioactive waste.

stre

i wonder why he chose the blast zone that he did. because of it's proximity to waikiki (approx. 2 miles)? in either case, my home would be affected so maybe i should take a vacation to, say, molokai.

kimchi43

@CalebJuicy: We're talking about a nuclear attack by a hostile nation led by a nearly life-sized animatronic troll doll. Not a giant-sized M-80 firework.

Yes, I believe we have thought this through. The general consensus is that it's a Bad Thingâ„¢.

Oroborus

@pevans34: Got to love it when people like you regurgigate nonsense in an attempt to cover the real reasons the US went to war with Iraq.

I'm not denying Saddam was bad. But you've got to be a complete moron if you honestly believe the move to "liberate" Iraq was altruistic in nature.

Got to love how places like Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Tibet and countless other places are just ignored.

But no, no. Go on, live in your little pipe dream world.

Asherek

Methinks Kim and some of the posters here have the same gameplan.

PaddyDugan

@GraphicoFantastico: You're right. I guess I was trying to rebut the idea that we've never provoked an attack, only responded when attacked.

ARP

@Amir Oulad: Kill lots of people and save the environment at the same time?! Brilliant!

MePerson

@GraphicoFantastico: +1

@pevans34: Don't pull that Hannity/ O Reiley crap that we want Saddam in power because we were opposed to the war. If we're so into Freedom and Democracy and not Realpolitik, why aren't we liberating Tibet? Why hasn't Hannity and Limbaugh jumped up and down about that? Liberals have talked about freedom for Tibet, but not conservatives? Why not? Do they hate freedom? No, it's because invading Iraq was the goal long before 9/11. If 9/11 didn't happen, we'd find another excuse (which we sort of did). It's funny NK has been building nuclear weapons since early in the Bush years, but he never attacked them. They actually HAVE WMD's. Why not? Because they don't offer us anything. No oil, few natural resources, and won't impact stability in the area.

ARP

@Priaptor: I'm very relieved that you are not running the country. Or any country. You sound like a cross between an extreme right wing nutcase and a borderline personality teenager off his Ritalin.

Do you honestly believe we can nuke our way to serenity and comfort? Really? I'm just trying to make sure I have this right: Concern for our future and the future of the world environment = ultimate collapse of the nation, and your preferred approach is to encourage and entice mass destruction of some part of our population so that we will feel somehow justified with apocalyptic retaliation on a scale that would impact the entire globe. That about right?

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: It's "douche," douche. Deusche sounds like some strange amalgamation of deus (latin for "god") and "che" (spanish slang like "bro" or "dude").

Maybe you should go back to school and learn some things instead of just trusting "friends" or sarcastic, blatantly incorrect bait put out by justagigolo85.

AmphetamineCrown

@Hi, I'm God: "Take over their fucking country" how, exactly? Go read about the terrain and the size of their army and get back to us, OK?

kenboy

You can all say what you want, but history is the greatest teacher...To which I say...

REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!..

thats right, I said it.......

fastharry

@cmaceachen: better millions of them then millions of ours...

fastharry

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave:W.O.P.R., FTW.

1shado1

@600Followers_GitEmSteveDave: Number of players: zero

crackblind

@Bull By The Horns: Wrong, NK has an army like Saddam had one, an army not willing to fight for masters who starve their own people.
As soon as you take down the command most of the troops will abandon their duty.

Iran's army is about the same the problem is Iran's army is only second to the revolution guard, and this lunatics have every reason to fight for keeping their power in place.

@pevans34: Nobody is justifying Hussein. But we didn't invade Iraq because he was brutal dictator killing his own people. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but the administration tossed his name around and attached the blame as an excuse to do what they had been wanting to do, which was to establish a presence dead center in the mid-east oil regions.

If we were so concerned about Saddam butchering his own people, we would have gone in there a long, long time ago and done something about it. But we didn't. Why? Because Saddam was our puppet. We armed him when it suited us and we took him out when it suited us.

Why do you think we aren't doing anything about the atrocities going on in other places? Why aren't we in Burma kicking ass and setting up "freedom and democracy" for the people? Why aren't we in Somalia cleaning house and erecting Walmarts?

Because it's not part of the plan. We have no interest in those places right now. "Saving" the people is not a priority, or even a fleeting thought.

I'm sorry but the real world is not summed up in a Budweiser, a flag and a Bruce Springsteen song.

Dr. DOOM here. I think Nuclear Weapons are a great invention. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama is ruining "The Plan". You see it is great to have this dirt bag countries having Nukes that can do limited damage. A little collateral damage is necessary. If we had a real leader with a set of balls, instead of a Manchurian candidate, we would endorse the use of Nukes by the Taliban, Iran and N. Korea and then blow them and their whole freaking country off the planet, have some fried rice an take their oil and never be bothered by them again.

Or we can worry about "Global Warming" and force expensive manufacturing methods on our companies so that we get weaker while the weak get stronger and they blow us to oblivion.

You morons made your choice in 2008.

Are you changing you mind; come on just a little?

Priaptor

@cmaceachen: Yeah, you wouldn't want to disrupt their mass starving.

The Brain

@PaddyDugan: Dude, whatever. Its a good quote.

@iPhoneUser: Your iphone privileges have been revoked.

@SirToast: How do I get it to play itself?

@Asherek: OHHHH, someone's using Weasel Words! There is yet another nice logical fallacy I saw today.

@iPhoneUser: Wtf? Im shocked how nobody says anything about this numbnuts statement "what country deserves to be bombed? the usa".

What a penis.

@GraphicoFantastico:

Got to love it when people try to justify Saddam Hussein. Regardless what you think of the war, Saddam has killed ~500,000 of his own people. Gassing many of them in mass executions.

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: As you can obviously read, this was meant to show up down below as a reply to a different thread, but ended up here. Hence the "Not sure how this ended up here."

Asherek

@Bull By The Horns: "Two tours buddy, take it from me."

Welcome back brutha.

I made it back in one piece with 1st Infantry (Big Red One) in Shield/Storm '91. A few of my friends weren't as lucky. One lost his legs and two others came back in boxes. So I'm always happy to see fellow vets.

I agree too about the war mongering. This isn't the movies and Rambo isn't gonna save the day with his big knife and a headband. If people could see death up close and personal, like what happens when groups of the enemy are burned alive down to something that slightly resembles bacon, or someone steps on a mine, all that "fuck 'em up" talk would tone down quite a bit. There's no referee, no tapouts, and no end of round 1.

@600Followers_GitEmSteveDave: I prefer Tic Tac Toe...

SirToast

@Asherek: Ummm....

@TheUCanes: As others have pointed out, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden fundamentally disagree on their core religion. In fact, they probably hated each other more than the US, to be quite frank.

Operation Iraqi Liberation (or OIL for short), was a thinly veiled move at control. There was no real altruistic nature, no real "WMD" protection, just one giant "hidden" agenda. Pull your head out of the sand please.

Asherek

@Asherek: Not sure how this ended up here.

Asherek

OH NOES! I LIVE IN THE BLAST AREA!

But honestly, don't you think they'd bomb Pearl Harbor, Hickam AFB, or Scholfield Barracks instead? I mean sure it'd make sense to do away with Honolulu in a subsequent rocket launch. However, strategically speaking, I'm sure a strike to the US Pacific Command would be much more crippling to the US than by taking out a bunch of Asians, yuppies, and Micronesians from Moʻiliʻili. They probably don't have the capability or warheads to go foolhardily bombing the PUC of Oʻahu.

Dane Gonsalves

@TheUCanes: As others have pointed out, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden fundamentally disagree on their core religion. In fact, they probably hated each other more than the US, to be quite frank.

Operation Iraqi Liberation (or OIL for short), was a thinly veiled move at control. There was no real altruistic nature, no real "WMD" protection, just one giant "hidden" agenda. Pull your head out of the sand please.

Asherek

@TheUCanes: They would most likely be for us nuking the place and making it COMPLETELY disappear, then their ships can just dock in China in the Peoples Republic of Korea Bay.

@TheUCanes: Al Queda, a radicalized muslim group headed by a Saudi, Osama Bin Laden, had ZERO and I mean ZERO ties to Iraq. Saddam Hussain disagreed with Osama on very fundamental muslim docterine, AND, he would see Osama as very unstable to his self-centered, highly controlled dictatorship.

STOP being a sheep and regurgitating everything you hear from the 'news'.

Two tours buddy, take it from me.

Here we go again with another Korean War. My Grandfather was in the Korean war, I haven't asked him but I would imagine this makes him roll his eyes!

WardSparrows

why is it with all this satellite technology ,can we not just send a screaming eagle directly to his house ?

The most important fallout, of course, would be no final season of LOST. That would have catastrophic effects across the country, possibly even around the world.

@SnehalataDemophon: "I say we sick Japan on them..."

To do what? Japan has been neutered for decades.

@TheUCanes:

Twin Tower attacks + Saddam Hussein = different

Kim Jong Il Has apparently hired Saddam Hussien's former speechwriter.

@iPhoneUser: I really don't care to brush up on my history to support this, but wasn't our rise into WWII the reason we pulled ourselves out of the depression in the 30's?

D0rk

@Winston Smith: Illegal orders. ;)

@justagigilo85: Is this true? Then all of the death was from fallout? That's some scary shit.

@anfield: I did lol at this. I agree and I'm not worried about the U.S. NK is bad mojo AND I really feel bad for the coutries around them and the people trapped there. I'm not concerned, personally, with my crib in America at all. And dude, I don't want Fox. I'm more of a CNN or MSNBC junky.

@TheUCanes: You realize that you're everything wrong with america and bush's foreign policy right?

Nathan Chalmers

I say we sick Japan on them...

SnehalataDemophon

@cmaceachen:

A lot of hanged Germans at Nuremberg would tell you a different story.

If we hadn't hanged them for following orders.

Winston Smith

"Wipe them out... All of them..."

@ARP: "Actually we provoked the Vietnam war."

Yes, by assisting the French in their campaign against North Vietnam. Any single incident used to declare war in Vietnam is simplistic. We were already at war with them as far as Giap was concerned. We had no business in there.

@TheUCanes: Iraq had nothing to do with those planes. Iraq was an unprovoked invasion wrapped in a ton of excuses and lies, for the sole purpose of controlling that oil region. And not just Iraqi oil. If you think war in Iraq was or is about suicide planes or some sort of "liberation" movement or "freedom" or anything else, you are kidding yourself. It's about control, and that's all.

@jepzilla: Thermobaric weapons seem to be the weapon of choice nowadays. All the blast of a small nuclear weapon, but with none of that nasty fallout.

@bastion72: dont worry, we'll bring the place to the ground.

@Bull By The Horns: It would be interesting to see who Australia sided with though.. since they are our allies but rely heavily on chinas economic goods...

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: FYI- when we dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, there were ZERO casualties. Can't find where I read that though... XD

I think Chris Rock said it best... (and I haphazardly quote), "I'm suppose to be pissed off at you and NOT offend you at the same time?"

justagigilo85

@Bull By The Horns: And do you really think bush made the first move? I mean terrorists did crash two giant planes into the twin towers and go after the pentagon and another that crashed in Pitt that was headed for the white house... Not to mention Sadaam had been harboring terrorists for years and completly wiping out his own people...

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: China doesn't protect NK so much as have a significant interest in stability on its borders. A collapse of North Korea -- regardless of whether its caused by internal upheaval or US bombs -- would result in a millions of NK refugees trying to flee into China and into South Korea. That's China's main concern -- stability. Not because it is a fan of NK's way of doing things or because it is a "protector". The Chinese govt always takes a long-term view, and stability is key in everything they do.

Americans need to stop being such pussies about NK -- it's not a "dangerous" country for the avg American by any stretch of the imagination. If you lived in S Korea, yeah, you might be a bit nervous, but if you're in the US, STFU already. They can't hurt you, no matter what Fox wants you to believe.

anfield

Nuke em! Nuke em all!

David Artz

@Sockatume:

Well, you are partially correct. However, fallout has more than one definition. Yes, the settling of airborne particles from earthbound explosions to the ground is the most used definition... Another widely used definition is that Fallout is simply an effect or result of something happening, which would fit the use of the word you are having an issue with. In other words, leave Blam alone - He does just fine by himself.

Rybones2112

Since when the hell do we tolerate this shit? Really US? Really? I mean I know nuking them would kill millions of innocent people... how about we take over their fucking country. That sounds good to me.

@Amir Oulad: Thermonuclear bombs, i.e. hydrogen bombs, are not "not radioactive." How much radioactive garbage the bomb itself leaves is dependent on the design. However they produce enormous neutron flux, just like a traditional atomic bomb, and so create just as much radioactive fallout in the case of a ground-burst.

jepzilla

@Bull By The Horns: Actually we provoked the Vietnam war. We sent ships into Vietnam waters very close to their ships and when they attacked, we acted outraged and authorized "war."

I'm normally against wars like this, but this guy is really starting to annoy me. He's like that bratty kid whose parents don't control them. At a certain point, you get so pissed off, you want to put him in his place. Of course that's exactly what NK is trying to do. They need to maintain a perpetual state of war to control their population and to complain to the international community that they're being bullied.

ARP

@Paradise: That was really my point too. China protects NK. I heard rumors (my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate)that Kim Jong Il's son, his successor, is even more of a nutty, radical, communist dictator than he is.

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave: Fuel Air Explosives... the only way to fry.

Gearhead_42

@zarchitect: Yeah he's one hell of an idiot, but he sure isn't a suicidal idiot. Launching a missile at Hawaii or anywhere else for that matter would be signing his own death warrant. He just has too look and see what happened during WWI, WWII, and what happened to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. If you attack us, or we believe you are going to attack us we will destroy you. I actually kind of wish he will try something, and that that something is bad enough to get the United Nations to realize he needs to be removed. Then he will truly have the world come crashing down on him. One laser guided bomb up the ass ought to straighten him right up.

Woden501

@bagseed: Well, Vietnam was already long since underway before we ever got there. Two other armies failed before us.

GraphicoFantastico

@aural: hahah yeah fuck that fuckin place

bagseed

Oh no...my ex-wife lives in Hawaii! I hope that nothing happens there. /sarcasm

bastion72

@knacko: Good point. I retract. Annihilating the entire country would be very cruel.

@Bull By The Horns: the us had never made the first move except for the spanish american war and the vietnam war

bagseed

@GodfreyOriole: The fighters and bombers may destroy the infrastructure, kill the soldiers, and demoralize the civilian population, but its the soldiers who move in and actually take the ground and hold it. The only way to win a war without soldiers on the ground is to make it so there is nothing left to take. Of course that would mean nuking the entire country which I sure hope we would never even consider doing. Dropping the bombs in Japan during WWII may have been the best option, but now there are better ways to deal with tyrants like Kim. A nice little laser guided bomb right up his ass ought to straighten him out!

Woden501

I wish NK could aim a nuke a bit closer to where I live, because it can get kinda cold around here sometimes and all of our animals are boringly unmutated :/

@Greg Lloyd:

I'm going to be playing with this all day :(

@frigg: Hey hey hey... Akron is a little too close for comfort buddy. How about somewhere a little less close to Dayton since I'd rather not be growing any extra limbs in the next few months.

Woden501

@aural: I'm fairly certain a nuke of any size on Honolulu is going to take Maui, Lanai, Molokai, Kauai, Niihau, Hawaii, Kahoolawe, Molokini, and every cocktail cruise along with it.

GraphicoFantastico

@goodcow: good lord ... do you really think China's going to put up with us doing anything to North Korea?

For all of you war mongering types, Kim has a REAL army, as does Iran, so, when you type the words, 'lets just go f*ck them up', I expect to see your ass in line signing your butt up to go fight the second we declare war or what have you. You think 4639 (as of today) coalition troops in Iraq pushing up daisies is a lot of people. Fighting either country we COULD lose that many in the first hour of ground operations. This ain't the movies, and you're not John Rambo.

Yeah, double post, it needed to be said twice!

@GodfreyOriole: Trying to remember what was told to me in basic years ago.... You can drop bombs, shoot missiles, fly planes over, and park ships near by, but until you put Infantry on the ground, then it is uncontrolled territory.

AND, for all of you war mongering types, Kim has a REAL army, as does Iran, so, when you type the words, 'lets just go f*ck them up', I expect to see your ass in line signing your butt up to go fight the second we declare war or what have you. You think 4639 (as of today) coalition troops in Iraq pushing up daisies is a lot of people. Fighting either country we COULD lose that many in the first hour of ground operations. This ain't the movies, and you're not John Rambo.

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: You kinda did:

goodcow: Can we just bomb the fuck out of North Korea already?

CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: I was just saying this to a friend.

knacko

No one really gives a crap about Honolulu anyway. That place is a shithole. As long as Maui is okay, then I'm cool.

@cmaceachen: Actually, neither killed over 100,000 people on the day of bombing, and Nagasaki didn't manage to achieve that even including later deaths. Bombing of Tokyo with conventional weapons achieved more casualties than any of the nukes.

And besides we're talking stupidly overcrowded Japan, where a thousand people die if Godzilla steps in the wrong place.

All these reports of "what if fearmongering" thermo-fallout blah blah blah is silly. Like others said, he's just compensating like a guy with a jacked up truck. He's got a power-trip and psychologically is a control mechanism to his people as well as a bargaining-tool for goods and services.
Intentions are not really there - else he'd shut down the process. Like the idiot with the truck, ignoring hurts him most.

zarchitect

@WarOperationPlanResponse_GitEmSteveDave: I should add, I never said we should nuke them. The people there have no idea (well most) what is going on in the rest of the world. That place reminds me of a giant prison. Like what Australia used to be. But something should be done. Don't we have laser firing sattelites in space to take care of problems like this yet?

@GodfreyOriole:

so that is what happened in Iraq ? :LOL
dream on sucker !

iPhoneUser

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh:

[freekorea.us]

DUH...

[cgreport.files.wordpress.com]

I think it's safe to say that any country foolish enough to throw a nuclear warhead at the U.S. can expect their country to be eliminated from the global map. We are a country that goes to war halfway around the world for our allies. We go to war in the name of prevention. We go to war to protect our interests. Anyone that actually believes the U.S would endure the nuclear destruction of Hawaii by North Korea with diplomacy, is a fool.

The U.S is truly a sleeping giant, and Jong Il is poking it with a stick. An attack on Hawaii will guarantee the full fury of the U.S Military until there is nothing left of North Korea but a memory.

GraphicoFantastico

@masbo99: It should be! Then we need to erect The Great Wall of Jersey!

@Henry Tang: What about the US prisoners and other people there? Acceptable losses?

@mcryder: Wasn't Ron talking about the Middle Class in America when he made that comment about turning up the heat?

PaddyDugan

@GodfreyOriole: While it's true that the U.S. reigns supreme in the air, no war has ever been won without ground troops. Not even the 1991 Iraq War. I know because I was there, on the ground, wearing my chemical suit. Soldiers on the field are essential.

GraphicoFantastico

@crackblind: Perhaps a nice game of chess then?

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat."

Ronald Reagan

mcryder

I don't think you really get shock-wave or thermal fallout. I mean, fallout, by definition, is the stuff that's raining back down after the bomb goes off. I don't think it could rain shock waves and searing blasts of heat. They're a one-off thing, which is probably just as well.

Sockatume

@Homerjay here for OxyClean!: China sells weapons to North korea is a rediculous comment? lol.

I guarantee we have a carrier group off of Japan, Patriot missiles in South Korea as well as the Aegis cruiser or sub in the carrier group closely monitoring all communications ready to let fly its anti-missile missiles. We have tasked a satellite to both give real-time coverage of what is going on at ALL of their missile bases and also monitoring troop movements. As a secondary precaution there is most likely an Aegis parked off of the coast of Hawaii. We may even have that laser beam equipped 747 running circuits between Hawaii and Japan. No worries.

@Heliophage:

Apparently yes, They use plutonium and uranium to initiate the fusion reaction, but they aren't radioactive

Amir Oulad

@600Followers_GitEmSteveDave: Too early in the morning for references, Joshua.

crackblind

Here in the US we can win wars just with our fighter jets and bombers . We dont need ground troops. Plus if North Korea Bombed us everybody would be on our side anyway.

GodfreyOriole

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: Thats not trolling. That's just pointing out a ridiculous comment.

@cmaceachen: No, it's trolling to comment just to say "wrong" without adding anything else to the conversation. How much is rent under bridges these days?

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: Oh, right, it's trolling to point out incorrect information but disseminating that incorrect information is just fine. I see.

cmaceachen

@Amir Oulad:

Apart from what's already said... isn't a hydrogen bomb still a 'nuclear weapon'?

Mr. Jowley, what went down in your head
(Oh) Mr. Jowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call

if the bomb would fall the great US of A can't do anything about it as another war would make it bankrupt, and that is probably that bigger plan behind it :)

and think of witch country has the least amount of innocent citizens per square kilometre and deserves to get bombed ? probably the US of A

iPhoneUser

@mykalt45: Little Boy & Fat Man yielded around 15 and 20 Kiloton, whereas these kind are more like tactical nukes, which are common right now since the race for the largest peni... err... bomb yield ended with the Tsar Bomba, check this as a reference:

@600Followers_GitEmSteveDave:

No, action should be taken, but you should consider that you just can't go dropping bomnbs killing innocent people.

Amir Oulad

@Greg Lloyd: the tsar bomba can wipe out my entire country!!! (now you might have an idea of where i come from. hint: new jersey is not a country)

masbo99

Jong Il is just trying to goad us into making the first move. Up until Bush, America has Never made the first move. Throughout history making the first move has proven to be an initially successful tactic, but the aggressor always seems to wind up taking a much harsher blow, if only because of the PR (google: Bush,Iraq). Korea cannot put their nuke on a missile because they cannot make one small enough. Think 'bomb' because that is all they would be able to do is drop it, or sneak it in. The boat they sent out to sea that was suspicious and confusingly button-hooked around and returned to Korea was just a ruse. Kim has been saber rattling for years, he enjoys the headlines and seeing himself in both print and news outlets, he was up to this when I was over in their South. The day we make a preemptive move on Mr.Il, we lose, because we have played into his hands.

@Greg Lloyd: and still, each killed well over 100,000 people. Double that if you start counting cancer and birth defects. A great tragedy.

cmaceachen

@Mikael: Exactly my thoughts. This saber rattling of theirs can only lead to their ultimate destruction. It's like bringing a knife to a intercontinental ballistic missile fight.

They're quite Napoleonic.

Greg Lloyd

@cmaceachen: Did I say he was right? NO, I said that is what he told me. Go troll somewhere else deusche.

@Henry Tang: Not true, but even if it was, the people have no choice. They can't be held responsible for the actions and posturing (and, really, that's all it is) of their leader.

cmaceachen

@Mikael: North Korea is like a little wimpy kid holding a gun. She's really scared of all the other big kids for no good reason other than she's skinny and wimpy, and now that she has a gun she wants everyone to know that she's powerful too.

Ugh.

@goodcow: And what about South Korea?

The most beautiful beaches in America? The childhood home of its leader? Another sign kim Jong il is insane. If he didn't want the fury of a thousand suns targeting Pyongyang as we speak, he'd rattle his saber over Akron instead of Maui.

@mykalt45: Little Man and Fat Boy have a much smaller initial kill range than I ever thought. I always had this idea that it was immediate death for MILES AND MILES around. That is true of Tsar Bomba - but those initial atom bombs and the modern deliverable nuclear bombs/warheads have a much smaller initial kill zone.

Use this link to put in your address, then choose the bomb type, and you'll see the impact size:

[www.carloslabs.com]

Not saying I want to get hit by one of these, but it is a lot smaller than I always imagined.

Greg Lloyd

@Mikael: Because its the only part of america they have the capability to launch an attack on and kim jong il is batshit crazy.

A very similar thing happened to me and my friends in a game of Rise of Nations years and years ago. Me and my ally rushed into the nuclear era, had the ability to defend against nukes, had huge armies etc. My other friend (his teammate already destroyed) just aquired the abilitiy to nuke us but could see our effective area of missile defense so chose to attack a 5 inch piece of land right next to my missile defense, there were no valuable targets there (cept maybe a woodmill in the spalsh damage are). Anyway we then decided he was stupid and launched all our nukes at him.

pretty much the same scenario here

@Amir Oulad: So are you saying the only winning move is not to play?

@Amir Oulad: Hhydrogen bombs are one of the most destructive bombs in the world. ok it's mainly fusion, so no radiactivity but you need fission to produce fusion anyway. there is no clean bomb.

That could quite literally destroy the local tourist and fishing industries overnight.

Has anybody thought this through?

CalebJuicy

@cmaceachen: Technically everyone is in the military in North Korea, so there is no such thing as civilians. Alas, the joys of evil empire.

Henry Tang

@Amir Oulad: Umm, as I'm sure most of you are familiar with fusion bombs or (Hydrogen) bombs, they require a standard fission bomb (Uranium, Plutonium) cores to initiate the fusion reaction. Hence it is safe to assume that although the fusion reaction alone is powerful and "environmentally friendly" you would still see the neutron fallout from the initial core catalyst reaction.

thought you should know...

@CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: And your friend must be right.

cmaceachen

@goodcow: I was just saying this to a friend. I'm all for peace...but fuck that country, they are dangerous. He told me that China protects them, and gives them weapons which they sell on the black market. So basically they launder evil for China. So shitty.

Why would North Korea nuke Hawaii? Wouldn't that be like signing their own death sentence?

Mikael

@goodcow: And kill millions of innocent people? No.

cmaceachen

I'm guessing North Korea doesn't have very powerful bombs? Didn't ours in Japan nearly wipe out the whole city?

mykalt45

I can't understand why nuclear weapons still exist:
If somebody launches just one, everybody, but I mean EVERYBODY is fucked...
Why can't they just use hydrogen bombs, those are powerful enough, and much more environment friendly, not that I am a tree hugger or something

Amir Oulad

Can we just bomb the fuck out of North Korea already?