Psystar Emerges From Bankruptcy With New Product, Same Insane Resolve

Perhaps Bill Gates is secretly funding them?

yeah, it must be hard to emerge from the ashes with home built pcs

briansaysdie

@tbone92: Ahh ... but you missed the really good joke

rDub

@BFKelleher:
Yeah, but are EULAs even enforceable?

somewhere jesus diaz is rocking back and forth crying and yelling "say it isnt so"

@gyffes: The press release was written by Jesus Diaz.

Neal F. Guye

@swissdude: let's call it a draw?

malaklaze

@bonedog73:
Awesome world where someone can come along and make money with your hard work and not respecting your policies. Way to go.
Maybe the world just should become communist, I mean everybody keeps bashing the idea of capitalism anyway.
I wish some people would try to imagine how it would feel to be Apple right now.
You write an OS which you give away to sell your computer. Now another guy buys your underpriced OS to make money selling his hardware.
Sometimes in life you can't have everything and certainly not force a business to go a path they don't want.
If Apple loses against Psystar everything that's going to change is you having to pay hard cash if you buy the OS only! Oh, I forgot. Intellectual property is something some people don't respect either and they will download a free copy from a torrent site.
They day you can clone objects the economy will collapse. Why invent, research, manufacture and sell if it's going to be stolen anyway?

daPrinz

Apple OS X would really do some killing on the market if they would just friggin' allow other companies to debut machines that utilize it.

WaffleTeamStrike

This is awesome. One of the reasons I won't buy a Mac is lack of brand choice. Don't get me wrong I think OS X is awesome but I don't always agree with Apple's hardware choices. The truth is some people want something that looks different and performs the same at a lower than what Apple offers. With companies like Psystar people could get they're OS X fix while not HAVING to use an Apple machine. It's all about choices and Apple has sufficated anyone trying to diversify the use of there OS. Want to own MS, Apple? Diversify.

WaffleTeamStrike

consumers ftw

elegantelliot

@hfutrell: I agree; there has to be a third party propping them up to be back on their feet so fast after a legal battle with El Jobso.

@RainyDayInterns: The reasons somebody would buy from Psystar are: they're lazy, cheap, and/or they can't read. I mean seriously. "You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so." seems pretty clear to me.

BFKelleher

So - what do you wanna do? BLEED all over me?

swissdude

@cabjf: Personally I like the theory (and I don't know who came up with it) that Pystar is a black-ops operation by a competing manufacturer (say, Dell) who wants to put Apple in a long, expensive legal battle which simultaneously gives Apple negative press.

hfutrell

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: As far as I know, there is no Core i8 CPU available. Or even planned for anytime in the near future.

the mere mention of "Goliath" proves to me that they're milking this non-conformist, "sticking it to the man" schtick for all its worth.
of course, because it works. Just read all the commentors backing them simply because they're fighting Apple, who has oppressed you and your family by tying their software to their hardware. the bastards.

kahri

To everyone calling them bad businessmen, they are actually smart businessmen. They minimized risk to their personal assets and their overall liability is limited with this bankruptcy filing. Now if Psystar Corp is an SCorp under a LLC they are really smart, but then again it is all about what state they are in.

MaaseyRacer

@Magic Beans? Sure, I'll Buy Some!!: That is no longer the case my man... In the past however that is another story.

Mandatory OT was the bread and butter of the UAW. Hell I had friends that had to work 52+ hour weeks and were paid for them even if they only had to work 38'ish.

@Snapper: Ahhhhhhahaha! You read my mind.

Fractal the Meek

Tying hardware to software sales should be a clear violation of restraint of trade laws. Just like is was when IBM did it the other way around back in the 80's.

Les Mikesell

@ester: Exactly. And there's also the fact that even if there's a market doesn't mean it's worth it.

Having more clients for the sake of having more clients doesn't mean jack if they don't really represent more money in the long run.

I don't think apple wants to enter a market that is wanting to spend 130 bucks every 2 years, who doesn't want to buy their other products and a market that will represent them a lot more money spent into R&D to support thousands of hardware configurations.

Apple sells as a premium brand that gives you the "whole experience" and a brand that already has an incredibly profitable business, wich is still growing and has a lot of loyal customers. I'm sure that if this business model ever stops growing, they'll try something else, until then...

@ester: This is what Newegg does, except you have to go to a whole 'nother website for the instructions.

Let's rename them to "We're here, bitches!... Again", that should clear up all doubts.

@All Your Base Are Belong To Us: Meh

Xeno

@Magic Beans? Sure, I'll Buy Some!!: FUD

Xeno

@Purple Monkey Dishwasher: Psystar won't let you down down! They are persistent.

@adhir: Y'know, as opposed as I am to what their doing, they've finaly done it. I'm officially rooting for them, at least somewhat.

@revs:
I'll summarize.

"Apple [can't] build its operating systems faster and with greater reliability..." if "...its products must run on tens of thousands of possible configurations." [www.macnightowl.com]

It sucks though.. I'd love to install OS X on a powerful custom built system.

Anonymous816435

@Kaiser-Machead: I think Apple would have an argument if Psystar is not an authorized reseller. Copyright law does provide for control over distribution and for Psystar to buy authentic copies and sell them would appear to be a violation to me. What Psystar should do is provide all the hardware and installation instructions but have customers buy the software directly from Apple. Then I'm not sure how copyright could even come into the picture.

ester

@notsosecretlandfill: Stick what to them? They tried and they failed, miserably. And now they're getting right back up and trying the exact same thing again. They're not heros, they're retards.

Again, how much of a difference would it make if Psystar simply didn't preload the OS, but offered the discs? There's nothing Apple can do about anyone actually selling sealed authentic copies of OS X.

Kaiser-Machead

@qbrad: Hey you've gotta give them SOME credit. The assemblers putting screws and bolts into plastic can make up to $80k/year thanks to their union representatives. Wow, guess all that bargaining and strong-handedness really paid off for them in the end!

Magic Beans? Sure, I'll Buy Some!!

Interesting timing, Jobs back from his hiatus, Pystar back from the dead.... hmmmmm

@deanbmmv: People often point out that Apple tried it. But they tried it with an inferior operating system (at the time) and poor execution. Are these people implying Apple is the same as it was then? That's rhetorical for those prepping to rip me a new one.

The fact there are hackintoshes proves there is a market. Psystar is attempting to take advantage of that market and I don't understand why there is such a backlash outside of fanatical fanboyism.

The reason Apple doesn't license their OS is three fold. One, OSX provides for differentiation among their offering of computers and they can market this as advantage over the competition. Two, Steve has often thrown out the quote that people who care about software make their own hardware and Apple wants the Mac experience to be the same regardless of which Mac you are using. If they allow Dell or HP to install OSX, they lose some control over that and it opens them up to criticism. And three, they likely subsidize their software development with hardware sales and would not create the same kind of revenue selling just the software.

Keep in mind as a hardware manufacturer, Apple's real competition is Dell, HP, etc. Microsoft is just a common component of their competitors that they can easily attack in the ads. So they'd be helping out the competition by letting them use OSX.

ester

Aha, finally some real Mac Geniuses!

matopete

In tech news today, apple has just patented their new "iSue" long range ballistic missile that the company plans on shooting towards psystar headquarters. Unlike north korea, steve jobs said, our missile works.

@cabjf: The company may be bankrupt but they likely still paid themselves huge salaries, so if they personally made money from it, they're going to try the model again.

I seem to recall reading a quote from someone at Pystar where they basically said they would keep selling their computers no matter what, even if Apple won a court case against them, they won't stop selling the computers. He seems to be living up to his promise, at least.

falandil

I think I may need a 'Psystar' t-shirt soon.

pixelpushing

I thought they were stupid at first, but this persistence is just amazing. More power to them, I say. Anything that rocks the boat is good.

I still want to be able to load OSX any any computer I please (yes I know I "can", but legally) so GO PSYSTAR!

In all seriousness... If they were able to continue it would result in Apple lowering prices to compete which is a bad thing?!

@Snapper: Nice. . .lol!

Fusion

@Vroomtrap: Chrysler? um...

There comes a point where you stop rooting for the underdog and just start feeling sorry and wonder why so much effort and investment in something doomed for failiure. God save your soul if you should order one of these. Hackintosh FTW....OSX86 anyone?

oh yeah

bookmark

@Vroomtrap: Don't hire lazy, uninspired, uneducated Americans to assemble your product.
Don't hire lazy, uninspired dregs from other companies to design your product.
Oh, and certainly don't hire uninspired, greedy, obtuse executives to point your company in a positive direction.

@ellito: Considering how they use the word "meta" is a good indication that they have absolutely no capacity to comprehend the word "bankruptcy."

Ok..... I,m getting the hang of this now..... Steve Jobs sold his liver to pay for the lawsuit

fastmike

They shoud try making their own OS instead.

wurzt

@krom: even without the rule braking part.........

@All Your Base Are Belong To Us: you mean like having linux with wine?

@m4ximusprim3: they should buy a PC with pre-installed hippie OS

the specs on this make it tempting.. but, has anyone bought anything by these guys?? (i wish apple had a comparable tower for only $1,500.)

Such a great article to read from my core i7... with Leopard.

TheGerk

love these guys. hope they win.

adhir

@RainyDayInterns: What about those that can't that don't want to pay $2700 for a $1500 desktop and a $50 operating system?

m4ximusprim3

@deanbmmv:

Apple have already tried that - it nearly bankrupted them.
Also - they make most of their money on Hardware - so why let you go use their software on someone elses?

Heres a nice article for you to read.. [www.macnightowl.com]

revs

As far as I can tell they deserve our support. If somebody came along and said here's a cost effective platform as an alternative to Windows that lets you run Windows applications (oh, and BTW we broke some of Microsoft's rules). We'd be bloody applauding wouldn't we?

Didja see the typo (and general ignorance of commas) in the text? If you can't spell "their" correctly in your Coming Out flier....

Apple, make this go away.

gyffes

I still don't get why it has never struck Apple that Pystars existence may be because people want OSX but not a Mac?
MS sell their OS separately, and pretty much have a huge company based just off software, yet Apple tie the software to a single PC manufacturer and on top of that have iPhones,iPods,iTune n the money of iLife/iWorks n OSX upgrades yet are still nowhere near as big as MS. So maybe if they want a bit more muchos they might wanna you know sell OSX on its own?

can they please clone the macbook wheel. i really, really want that.

Digital9

these are some REALLY stupid businessmen

cddude

I love these guys.

Stick it to the apple!

Stick it to them hard!

notsosecretlandfill

Hey you gotta give em props for making a good fight and not scampering off like a hurt dog.. Personally I could give a crap about buying an overpriced Apple computer, but I like Psystar for STICKING IT TO THE MAN!!!

bonedog73

It's easy to claim bankruptcy to slow down lawsuits. If it doesn't work just get the money back from offshore accounts and continue your business.
This story starts to get annoying. Just a pity that at the end the responsible people will disappear to South America before paying what they will be sentenced to.

daPrinz

@Vroomtrap: Nevermind the fact that Psystar is infinitesimally smaller than either of those corporations.

nukee

Eh, anyone else find it weird that the new computer comes loaded with Thriller, Off The Wall, Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory, and according to Psystar's website, can do the moonwalk?

Look, you stupid Bastard. You've got no arms left.
:Yes I have.
Look!
:It's just a flesh wound.

Snapper

Coming up next:
"We're in jail now... but CHECK OUT OUR NEW PRODUCT, THE OPEN (8)!"

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

So it's a zombie company!
How many times can you go bankrupt before you're actually dead? And what's the point of it all if you don't learn from your mistakes?

Is this just some kind of long running April's fool joke or an extended episode of Punk'd?

Why would anyone buy their stuff? Anyone can hack OSX onto an Intel machine. Those that can will, those that cannot will buy a real Mac.

Don't really see anyone in the middle.

Well you have to admit they've got some balls. But poking a bear in the eye with a sharp stick as you try to continue to stay afloat is probably not the best business plan.

2nd coming?

Maybe b/c they dumped the "mac" part of their name, they are OK? Perhaps they saw "Double Jeopardy" w/Ashley Judd on their Netflix feed, and got a brilliant idea?

@Vroomtrap: Yeah, but anyone can emerge from bankrupcy. The question is whether it's well thought out or not and if they'll be effective.

Purple Monkey Dishwasher

So their original business model,including Apple's lawsuit against them, presumably, put them into bankruptcy. What's different now that warrants continuing it?

cabjf

They need to give some pointers to GM and Chrysler on how emerge from bankruptcy quickly.