Nokia: iPhone 3GS Has A Crappy Camera, N97 Rocks Faces

@biggerD: I think that's part of the problem with S60v5. I love the S60v3 phones I've owned/still own, but that's a UI built around a non-touchscreen phone. It works well with physical buttons and d-pads or joysticks. S60v5 feels kind of clunky in comparison, like they never re-thought anything when they added touch. It's more like touch grafted onto S60v3, with touch buttons instead of physical buttons, and it really doesn't take advantage of the possibilities of a touch screen, nor is it entirely intuitive. It's perfectly functional and fairly fast for the hardware it's available on, the underlying core of Symbian is still unbeatable for an OS for minimal hardware, despite what fanbois will say. But the side of it the end user sees needs a facelift.

@Rustydog: and YET, they feel compelled to compare their product to the iPhone, as so many other phone companies do. You just don't get it do you? Nokia's yearly phone sales continue to fall, and their dominance as the number #1 worldwide phone distributor continues to falter, and you just don't get WHY they're afraid, do you?

@MosesMonster: Chances are that this statement is complete bollocks.
i never see tourists using their phones for taking holiday pictures. only kids use the phone cams heavily.

@nutbastard: And Nokia sells how much per week?

Rustydog

@Nacholoco: Now you are going to enrage the fanboys.... to have the cheeck to say something positive about ANY other phone than the idol..

Rustydog

@imTheKing: "Nokia will never learn??" Duh.... doode... Nokia outsells Apple in the phone market by how much? Do you know by how much? Is it 100 to 1? 1 000 to 1?

Rustydog

between iPhone and nokia n97 I'll chose nokia 5800 which I currently own...

@redman042:

True dat.

Using a camera phone always makes me think of the saying "the best camera is the one you have with you."

However, if you're planning on shooting something for real.... you bring your real camera.

@Nacholoco:

People would probably see your N97 because it's too thick to keep in your pocket!

:)

fahnbois - there is a lot of bias here. If the iphone has better specs., people say - better specs. If another phone has better specs., people say, oh, it is not the specs. Boring.

It is not material that Nokia is trying to sell the N97 over the iphone as others have said. It is not material whether they are right that one is better than the other. That itself is subjective and not verifiable. Period.

What is material is that Giz. appears to be emotionally driven vs. Nokia (and for all thigs iphone and Apple). If you really think that Apple is going to crush Nokia forever and that they will not respond to "being behind" (subjective). You are probably wrong. Over the long term they have been able to weather a lot, and have responded and stayed successful. Apple has also had varied performance and while they dominate certain markets, they do not dominate others.

That "terrible and not trendy" company Microsoft happens to maintain vastly superior market penetration indicating, quite obviously from the arguments made by Apple fans, that they are superior to Apple, with their proprietary hardware and limited software offerings, who, "just don't get it."

Uh oh - now I am applying the same logic, it doesn't sound so good. Apple is better because they are smaller and cooler (but less successful and not getting it ) and yet Nokia is crap because they are larger (internationally) and therefore not getting it and...oh never mind.

Forget it.

symbiano

@nutbastard: I think it's about the OS and the hardware working together, having a balanced relationship which results in great usability and intuition. Which is what Apple have done with the iPhone.

I just wish more companies would think like Apple with the development of more intelligent usable devices instead of just beefing up specs and having a list that can be printed on the box.

@Noobs-R-Us: I still can't stop talking about my Nokia E71.

I lost it a week ago and was looking for another phone to replace it, but for the $300 that an unlocked E71 costs I couldn't find another phone of the same build quality and features.

s1pacrat

Note to Mike Loughran: It's the software, stupid.

nuclearlove

@Aron Ellefson: Too bad there are barely any devs supporting symbian os. I hear the APIs are a complete mess, agree with you with the camera.. and before you label me as an iphone or whatever fanboy, I use a samsung i8910HD ;)

@nutbastard: "you dont see nokia rocking the boat to compare their shit to the pre, or to the G1."

Well of course they're not going to compare their crappy iphone knockoff to other crappy iphone knockoffs...

I think the screen resolution of the N97 is higher. I disnt look it up so if anybody has some hard #'s go ahead and enlighten us.

Nacholoco

@Nacholoco: They haven't released a version of Skyfire for Symbian S60 5th edition yet.

"to a still low 3.2-megapixel camera"

Like the 3.2 megapixel camera in the Nokia 5800XM?

@Simon Shek: Hmmm? Are you referring to the browser on the N97? It's based on WebKit, the same engine that Safari is based on. I actually find the experience browsing on the N97 quite good.

biggerD

@matt buchanan: Well, actually, the S60 v5 UI is based mostly on the same UI that the N95 uses, S60 v3. Take s60 v3 and add touch, there ya have it. Yes there are some minor differences but it's really the same UI. I wouldn't say it's a "completely different UI" That statement is a bit misleading.

biggerD

@neko613: Crappy as in Motorola crappy. There are people and companies that get it and those who don't.

Noobs-R-Us

Good thing it's a phone and not a camera, then.

Both are crap =/
Me wants Toshiba TG01, now that's for the enthusiasts.

@Andy Holt: You realize that the N97 has a completely different UI, right?

@tande04:
I don't buy the stopgap product argument. I work in the telecom industry and it typically takes about 12 months from concept to launch to get a product out the door; which means the N97 was concieved and the design started when the second iPhone with the app store was already out or at least known in detail.

I could see the stopgap product if the N97 was launched in late 2007 or even early 2008. But it's not like they designed this thing in 2005/2006...although it certainly seems that way from the reviews/videos I've seen.

Companies with resources on the level of Nokia don't need apologists- they need critical eyes so they will up their game.

COCOViper

@pantsonfireliarliar: If you sign a contract with at&t or tmobile, you can get cashback depending on number of years and plan. Last year, I got $200 back for a 1 year single user tmobile contract which I used on a N82.

SudiptiEquestridomus

@truthisapplesucks:

you've used it already?

i hate the baby internet web pages on nokia.

Simon Shek

They must not have actually used the iphone 3gs camera. ITs actually a lot better then i thought it would be. Even with video. I took a video of my fiances father playing his elect acoustic and it came out suprisingly good. Now the microphone is something completely different.

GodfreyOriole

@tsdexter: like none of the other N series phones are? Besides, you don't need a carrier to offer a phone, you can just sign a contract with no phone and get a 200$ cashback most of the time.

SudiptiEquestridomus

yeah pretty much, I guess poor choice of words. Although I have seen some ppl hang their phone as a necklace, or put their massive smartphoene in their shirt pocket and struggle to get it out at the bar.

Nacholoco

UGH.

Gizmodo you are a bunch of fanboys. I'm going to have to stop reading your site with all the pro apple crap. I'd be surprised if you weren't subsidized by apple.

I have an n95 and I find symbian highly usable. The camera rocks, gizmo project / skype client rocks, web experience could be a titch improved but nothing major that I've experienced. Google maps client for GPS and street view and google latitude.

There has only been one thing I can't do from the symbian n95 that I am sad about. I can't ssh in to my webserver. I'm sure there is an app for it I just haven't found it, and I don't care enough to search for days for it.

You guys are pissin me off now.

Andy Holt

I wonder how many people posting here are regularly using a N97 and can compare it to an iPhone. S60 may not be as slick as the iPhone OS, but the APIs are far more open which allows for a world of applications that can't even be made for jailbroken iPhones, and all with the blessing of Nokia. The main reason I purchased an N97 was the openness and having a decent camera because I don't like to look like a tourist and lug my DSLR everywhere I go. iPhone photos really disappoint.

Aron Ellefson

@mdoublej:

i take that to mean that there aren't a lot of them around. I didn't take it as "OMGzers, I rock my phone on a necklace to get all the hunniez".

@Noobs-R-Us:

Nokia sells more phones world wide than anyone, right? And doesn't symbian have a larger market share than blackberry and the jesusphone combined?

The US is only one part of the puzzle dude.

@Nacholoco: Yet you said "when you show off a sleek Nokia ppl always want to check it out"

mdoublej

Until phones start packing sensors good enough to replace a point-and-shoot, I don't honestly give a damn how good the camera is. The difference between a 2mp and 8mp cell phone camera is negligible to me because neither one takes pictures good enough to justify leaving the point-and-shoot at home.

Cameraphones are cool for grabbing a better-than-nothing picture of something you weren't expecting to see, and for non-photo apps like bar code scanners. Considering what they're good for, the difference between really crappy and kind of crappy is pointless.

Disclaimer: I don't give a damn about the iPhone and I have no comment about whether or not it's better than the N97, I'm just saying that having a slightly better camera is in no way a major selling point for one phone over another.

chefgon

@jark:

"It's more about the perception of the product than the quality of the device."

but it isn't - i and many others have tried a plethora of different phones, and even those who ultimately decide to forgo the iPhone in lieu of something else, they STILL recognize that the iPhone is something special, that it has a certain je ne sais quoi that no other phone has. it's PLEASANT to use, not just efficient or capable, it somehow feels nice to use, even for mundane tasks.

@Tech-Hedz: I have to agree with you and Nokia on that one. I just got the 3GS as my first iPhone and am pretty underwhelmed by the camera.

lightningrob

@taking_this_easy: not comparing european vs us plans. my point was if i go to a nokia store and buy an n97 and use it on at&t or t-mobile, i'd get a data plan and pay the same as i'd pay for an iphone. (even more because the phone is not subsidized.)

likewise in europe, you'd have a data plan if you wanted to use its primary features. that should bring pricing similar to what the iphone plans cost unless it's different in europe and there are some ridiculous iphone plans.

@cynep:

Yes, you paid money for phones "back in the day".

Today, you get free phones when you sign contracts. You also have lots of options for what free phones you want. Welcome to the future.

Did I forget to say those free phones are generally never smartphones, unless you sign an expensive contract that costs even more per month? That's also what I meant by affordability. Many of those free phones are made by Nokia. Which is the point of my post if you had actually read the entire thing. Nokia has expensive phones too, just like Toyota has Lexus. But I mentioned affordability and "cellphones in general". Which is what Nokia makes most of the time. General, simple cellphones.

@Zordon: No less arrogant than Steve Ballmer laughing hysterically at the iPhone and saying no one is going to buy it.

rip

@tande04: I'm getting the feeling that this has to do with establishing continuity in the iPhone line up. Software and applications are becoming the most popular reason to get an iPhone, so maybe it makes sense to promote the idea that each generation is just a variation of the same platform. It's not like say, the iPod Nano, for which they want you to forget each old generation so the new version will seem brand new.

Hello Mister Walrus

@nutbastard:

Yeah, it's basically the gold standard for smartphones.

@Nacholoco: "Just that at least here in Canada everybody on Rogers has an iphone its too common, when you show off a sleek Nokia ppl always want to check it out, its just different since you cant get the nice ones through Rogers Wireless"

If you crave attention, get a puppy. People always wanna check out cute puppy. Or just whip it out in public...

cynep

@92BuickLeSabre: The last time I tried to use my keys to pay for a meal, the guy took one look at my car and demanded the burger and fries back.

*crash*

Zordon

lol, no I don't get off on other ppl's curiosity. I dont show off my phone either. I do like to have somethign different than the rest, nothing wrong with that, thats just a personal preference I dont see a problem with it.

Nacholoco

@tsdexter: ummm, in europe, the n97 is subsidized, and on some carriers, even free on contract. the US is not the be all and end all.

meggman

@tande04: But then when they DO change the design they get hammered because folks have to go out and buy a whole new set of accessories to fit. I'm a big fan of refreshing the design of a product but if they goose the features sufficiently I can be perfectly happy with a phone that outwardly looks the same as the old one.

@COCOViper: This doesn't mean he is ignoring user interface. He just didn't happen to mention it in this instance.

Hello Mister Walrus

@Δεν βρέθηκαν λέξεις: Yeah, pretty much. It's the same as downloading and installing an app for PCs. The funny thing about this is that all of these people are praising the app store for providing a single place to get all your apps, even though it excludes a number of them, but dump on apt-get/Synaptic for the same thing. "Well what if it's not in the repos?" they ask. What if the iPhone app you want isn't in the app store?

That's not to dump on the app store, it's a great concept and execution, and Ovi has some catching up to do there. Just an observation is all.

Yes editor guy we know you dont like the N97 we get the point. I actually prefer a phone with all spec'd out with the latest features. Yes I do agree that Nokia has some catching up to do with their touchscreen os. I do not believe however that they are doomed. Nokia has so many other great phones to offer like the E72 smartphone. Not everyone is a huge fan of touchscreen phones. Nokia just needs to come out with a great os for their touchscreens and that will round out their extensive product line. Saying they are doomed is a bit far fetch broham.

hihai411

@neko613: "Just like how most people can't afford a fancy smartphone, so they buy something affordable."

Your entire post should be nominated for IQOTD. N97 is a smart phone and is not exactly "affordable" to the "most people" you're generalizing about. As a matter of fact, smart phone of today are much more capable and cheaper than "cheap" nokia handsets of yore. I recall paying $250 for my crappy Nokia 8200 back in the day, with a 2 year contract... or $450 for unlocked Motorola RAZR when it first came out. I even bought a Moto StarTec from a friend of mine - he paid $1200 for it. I got it for "only" $400 back in the day. Deal!

cynep

@imTheKing: I know! He sounds like an iPhone user!

@neko613: I can afford a fancy smartphone and I opted for an E71. I'm pretty happy with it, it's responsive, reliable, and has tons of features. It's the Toyota Supra of Nokias.

@neko613: I think you missed the part where the N97 hasn't been picked up by a carrier and thus costs 500$ MORE than an iPhone... or at least on contract it does, which is the way MOST people buy they're phones nowdays...

tsdexter

The N97 UI makes me feel like I'm using pre-Ubuntu Linux...

Usability > features. What's the point of having a ton of features if you can't find/use it? I know my iPhone inside and out. With my previous flip phones, it was always a mystery about how to do basic things.

Nokia understands hardware, but fails at software which is why im moving away from nokia

@nutbastard: Ha. Ain't that the truth Nutbastard. I think the same thing everytime one of these company CEO's or spokespeople bring up the iPhone and compare it to their devices. The underlying statement in any of those remarks is deafening. You'd think they'd realize that and never EVER mention the iPhone.

@pantsonfireliarliar: N97 isn't carried by any US carrier.... only available online, or in person @ Nokia stores i.e. NYC/Chicago

and yes, i rather have Europe/Asia phone carrier's business models... actually subsidize phones and have good plans (free incoming, 300-400 minutes outgoing, 300 text plan, total less than what US Carriers rip us off)

taking_this_easy

@Noobs-R-Us: I assume you mean crappy as in, most people who don't need to dish out huge amounts of money for a smartphone with functions and services they don't need buys a Nokia phone because they're simple and cheap? They may have only have half of the smartphone marketshare, but they pretty much own the marketshare for cellphones in general.

Your assumption that Nokia is a crappy company is like saying Toyota is a crappy company compared to Bugatti. Sure, none of Toyota's cars are comparable to a Veyron, but Toyota sells more cars than Bugatti because they're reliable and economic. And guess what? Most people can't afford Veyrons, so they buy Toyotas. Just like how most people can't afford a fancy smartphone, so they buy something affordable.

The only thing that they can bad mouth is the camera. Yeah it could be better

lancec50

@nutbastard: I'm happy Nokia is letting go of S60 next year and going the Symbian^2 way (and Symbian^3 shortly after). It's going to be an amazing OS. Rock stable Symbian core with 100% different UI..

truthisapplesucks

@Paradise: Or not from the US, either way.

tande04

@nutbastard: The fact that so many companies compare their phones to the iPhone says more about how well it is marketed. If it was the best phone in the world but no one had heard of it then making a comparison to it would be meaningless to consumers. It's more about the perception of the product than the quality of the device.

jark

It's interesting that he almost puts his finger on it. Yes, the iPhone 3GS is not revolutionary. But the iPhone was revolutionary and Nokia has never caught up to it. So the fact that Apple did not have a second phone revolution doesn't change the fact that Nokia is way behind.

On the other hand some other designers are seriously engaged in catching up, thus the Pre and Android.

jdale

@tande04: Ack...

"to read anything into it..."

All I'm saying is its a stretch to say that Nokia has completely given up the game just because they're saying their product (even as it stands now) is better then the competitor's.

tande04

forget the meaning of that quote, just using the word "tariff" seems to sum up the fact nokia is now years behind.

@imTheKing: Thats neither here nor there.
He isn't the head designer or developer. He's on the marketing side, the business side. Not the guy who is building the next one.

Its the product they have now. It could be a stop gap, it could be a hold over, it could be the worst product that Nokia has ever put out as far as he is concerned, but it is the product they have now and to read anything about them not hearing complaints or knowing what people want is stupid.

tande04

Megapixels are not everything. The quality of the image and the intelligence of the software to go with it mean a lot too. My iPhone 3GS does a pretty darn good job of balancing all these things to take nice photos for a phone.

redman042

@imTheKing: Because it takes time to build a good product? Rome wasn't built in a day. Nokia needs this as a stopgap. In order to fund their new, better projects, the N97 will have to sell now won't it? Which means they're not going to say "Oh sure, our product isn't as good as our competitors, so why don't you go buy theirs."

Nokia is a business. Products need marketing. Plus, Apple themselves spend more on marketing than anyone. Just look at some of the lies they pump into people, and how many people really buy into it. (Eco friendly? No Viruses? Really now)

@imTheKing: Has it changed from previous versions?
It's usually
Do you want to install X?
Accept License Agreement Yes/No
Install on memory card/Phone memory
Installed...OK

@Nacholoco: so you want a phone specifically so you can brag that you have something different?

imTheKing

If people are stupid enough to buy Nokia, then that's their fault... Let them bleed market share until they're dead. Same with Microsoft.

@Lite: If I want to rock faces, I put Long Player on the turntable.

@MosesMonster: There are limits.
For example, I still carry keys and a wallet.

@tande04: so they should focus on BUILDING A GOOD PRODUCT! Why should they rely strictly on marketing? Build a good product and end the horrible marketing copy.

imTheKing

and like the editor says, it's not about specs, it's about being able to use your phone easily and intuitively, and have a lot of fun in the process.

it's about the god damn OS.

@pantsonfireliarliar: Sure, why not, change for change's sake.

Not unlike what apple has done with the entire iPod line for its entire life cycle.

If they want to make every phone from here on the same design wise they can. Motorola will tell them thats not a good idea though.

tande04

the fact that every major phone retailer at some point steps up and makes its case for why their phone is better than the iPhone speaks volumes about how awesome the iPhone is.

you dont see nokia rocking the boat to compare their shit to the pre, or to the G1. you dont see palm trying to one-up the G1 or the nokias. they're all scrambling like mad to make their case... and in doing so givin the iPhone a lot of free press and continued presence in the minds of consumers as the phone against which all others are measured.

@tande04:

Obviously the superior nature of the N97's camera is implied in his quote, but that's not the point.

There are other ways to praise a smartphone relative to a competitor. Talk about the Qwerty keyboard, the "mature" OS, the customizable home screen, the established Nokia brand, etc. Or even better- don't say anything. Instead spend some time actually reworking the lame OS into something that is usable. AKA Put up or Shut up.

COCOViper

But can the iPhone make an attempt on your life? Come on people it's time to get a killer phone!

I like my 3GS but the camera does suck and the monthly bill is ridiculous even on a family plan.

@Hello Mister Walrus: All they had to do was go for a matte back and I would of been happy. I think with the 3GS they were so wrapped up in trying to bring the iPhone up to "standard" that they didn't bother with design.

@Hello Mister Walrus: Eh, they could of put a different color in and I would be fine. The matte black/rubber back would of been awesome.

They've got literally a blank slate to work with. There were any number of things they could of done, yet they did nothing.

Really made me question what a Jobless Apple is going to be like too.

tande04

@Hello Mister Walrus:
It's true but it ignores the context of reality.

Saying that a phone that costs $100 more than an unlocked iPhone is a great deal because it has a better camera yet the other 95% of the device is completely unusable relative to the iPhone or even Android is incredibly silly.

I'd take a phone with usability and a compact point and shoot if that was my criteria ANY day.

COCOViper

@Act Now and get a 4th Celebrity Death Free!: Lite: Chances are, most people rather use one device.

@Hello Mister Walrus: I think it's because the next iPhone will be more of a "revolution" (rather than an "evolution" as the iPhone 3G and the iPhone 3GS were). It's cheaper, then, in the interim to continue building the new iPhones out the same materials.

This is all just speculation, of course, but that's my take on it.

Nokia is a big company that steers like it. For them to change direction, they'd have to gut their management, allow in some good interface designers and, well, get out of the way! You can just see in the products they aren't having any fun at all.

EmeryBias

@COCOViper: No shit. What do you want them to say?

"Oh yeah, this is the phone we have on the market but we know we can do better next time. In the mean time buy one of our competitor's phones."

Not going to happen. They're still running a business, not a charity.

And actually he makes no claims in that quote about the N97's camera, just that the iPhone 3GS wasn't much of an update.

tande04

@Noobs-R-Us: I wouldn't call Nokia crappy. They are far from it. They are just slow in their "revolution" process as well.

Yeah the 3GS is nice, nothing against it. Just that at least here in Canada everybody on Rogers has an iphone its too common, when you show off a sleek Nokia ppl always want to check it out, its just different since you cant get the nice ones through Rogers Wireless. Only e-bay.

Nacholoco

@tande04: You mean change for change's sake? I like to think of it as: I get to use the same accessories that I bought last year.

Wouldn't an N97 have the same costs as an iPhone if they sign up for a data plan as well? Bye Nokia. Used to love ya but that was five years ago and S60 hasn't changed much since then.

@tande04: Yeah, it's sort of odd, given that Apple seems to go out of its way to make its new models look new. I guess it's hard to work different design elements into the iPhone without changing the functional elements that people seem to like.

Hello Mister Walrus

@tande04:
It makes him question if they are even aware of what the market wants.

They are seriously saying well ignore the fact that our OS is mostly unusable, and the phone costs more than an unlocked iPhone...it's got a great camera!

I would rather buy an iPhone/Pre/Hero off contract and buy a 7MP point and shoot for $60 than suffer the N97.

COCOViper

@Zordon: R.I.P Nokia

World iS Mi iPhone!!

@Hello Mister Walrus: No to mention the lack of any kind of design change, which was one of my big disappointments of the 3GS.

tande04

Whatever people think about Nokia, I don't think that quote is unreasonable. He just says that the iPhone 3GS has a low megapixel camera and is expensive. Both of these are true.

Hello Mister Walrus

@Alex McFadden: If I want my camera to rock faces, I'll use my camera.

Close your ears my young innocent E63, daddy doesn't mean those things, it's just that your big brother has done something very bad and daddy is mad at him. It'll be ok... i still love you.

guineapirate

hmm the cool thing about N97 is that you can make long distance skype calls over the network with the embedded Skype app. Symbian is meh but whatever the browser is pretty nice, just get Skyfire if you arent happy with it.

Nacholoco

You know, while they shouldn't be talkin' specs on account of their rather lame specs, the N97's camera does rock faces.

Alex McFadden

@tande04: Exactly. Shouldn't we be all used to this corporate trash-talking? Sony does it. Microsoft does. Apple does it.

iEro-Sennin

I'd rather have my iPhone 3Gs (That'd 3 Gs as cost of ownership over 2 years.) than the Nokia to be rather honest. The app store alone makes it worth it. I use the apps, the compass, and the GPS constantly to find things near me. Grocery stores, restaurants, directions... Everything.

It's an amazingly useful phone for doing things other than calling people, texting people, and checking e-mail. I use the Zillow app to check home/tax prices and what not.

So, as far as I can tell Nokia is smoking crack.

@Noobs-R-Us: carppy = crappy

Damn Giz, you're a tech blog, how about putting in an "edit" function! You know, something that my grandmother knows how to do?

Noobs-R-Us

Nokia will never learn. Someone should ask one of the executives there to show how apps install on the phone. That ought to be enough to shut them up in itself. Everything takes 400 steps with Nokia and although the devices are nice, it doesn't make up for the poor experience.

imTheKing

We are gathered here to say goodbye to dearly departed Nokia Corp, who made a bunch of arrogant statements while refusing to back them up with product, and then proceeded to bury themselves alive.

Zordon

Why can't carppy companies like Nokia die quickly and not waste people's time, money and effort?

Noobs-R-Us

Why do quotes like that make you question anything about Nokia?

They want you to buy their product and not a competitors? Shocking!

tande04

He does have a point about the camera and high tariff, but yep, he completely misses the overall scenario.. Changing the design on every new version of the phone isn't a priority, and it could in fact mean that the cellphone manufacturer can't decide for a good design at all. Which seems to be the case on Nokia, first hand experience. And I guess a 3.2Mpx camera would be a disappointment, mainly for misguided people who are looking a DSLR in their cellphones, which is just stupid. I won't complain about the 5Mpx cam on my Sony Ericsson, but what I mean is, what this guy is doing is whinning. I don't have a Nokia phone since the extremely crappy 7010, a phone that made me decide to never get a Nokia phone again, but from what I seen on friends phones, specially the N95, they are lacking A LOT in the bug solving department. I don't know any other cellphone that crashed that much while trying to use it's resources. My SE is flawless... but it's a dumbphone, so I can't really compare.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@despisethesun: Totally agree. I was merely challenging Matt's statement that it's a completely different UI when in fact, it's not. It's s60 v3 with touch tacked on. That, as you state, is the issue.

biggerD

Stop with all the iPhony worship Gizmodo. 3.2MP is a crappy camera. End of story.

whoster69