Apple’s Nudie App Headaches Now Involve Underage Girls

@4nonymo: AMEN.
Jesus, someone needs to teach these kids some common sense, and it sure as hell ain't gonna be the media or the internet. And god knows they don't listen to their teachers. It astounds me how lazy many parents are. "oh, my kid watched violent/sexy stuff on tv and it upsets me." Okay, so don't let them watch those channels, or don't let them watch at night. And don't put a TV in their room. If you practice what you preach and communicate clearly and reasonably with your kids, they'll respect you. It worked for my parents, and I don't pretend to claim it was because I was a kid genius or anything. (that's a different story. :P )

kzooguy

@Dannel Gomiller:
The problem is that as I understand it, child porn laws currently mean that if a 15 year old girl and her 15 year old boyfriend send naked pics of themselves to each other, they are guilty of distributing child porn.

I have to sort of blame the parents a bit, I mean, how hard can it be to raise a daughter with a modicum of self-respect and sense of appropriateness and responsibility?

kzooguy

@MacPatrick: If only there were some sort of 'Parental Controls'... or, you know, not giving your kid a phone with a camera, or any $200 phone... damn rich people...

Seriously, what with 'sexting' in the news and all, there need to be ways for parents to control the content their underage children send on their phones. And I'm saying this as a 21-year-old, lest anyone think I'm some old fogey.

kzooguy

um...ever hear of "sexting"? i mean, my word! sms should be removed from all phones, right? sheesh, when will adults get over it? teens, sex, wow. what a shocker. just because...that's what they're evolutionarily designed for, doesn't mean we shouldn't impose on everyone restrictions that are--research it if you doubt me--economically based.

i don't get apple's whole policing thing, anyway, given that all phones (and some game systems) have browsers.

Iquanyin Steffi Keenan

What's the name of this app?

That's disgraceful. I'm going straight to the app store to download this...

just to marvel in how disgraceful it is

@Dannel Gomiller:
I didn't say all of them. I said _one_. How many others might be inclined to follow suit doesn't matter when you've already got one standing in front of you. And they cover enough such incidents on the news that assuming it won't happen is clearly not the right course of action.

Note: This is part of the reason I tend to avoid watching the news.

Purple Dave

@wcnghj: Because it's an isolated case, easily handleable, and totally not the purpose of the app.

St.Jimmy

@puffnstuff: All this "parents are responsible" bullshit really xes my y. Do you really think that a parent is going to be able to control every aspect of a kid using their phone? Esp. on the iphone, with three possible ways to get apps and parental control that ain't for shit. If some teenybopper wants to be naked on the internet, then ain't apple, nor their parents, nor new legislation is gonna stop them. Yea it's stupid and wrong, but if you haven't noticed, us teenagers tend not to care about that. You see, the average teen (myself included, mostly) doesn't care about future consequences, just about advancing our agendas, be it playing that new game everybody else is, or getting attention. I pride myself on being mature but I do it too. So what do I think i wrong? The Media. Yes, laugh, I'm beating a dead horse with a 2x4, but hear (read) me out. What happened as soon as that first girl was caught sending nude pics? News reporters nationwide lost their collective shit. That girl got a metric fuckton of attention. And what happened here? Did the appmaker delete the pics and ban the user? No, the internet lost it's collective shit, the app got changed to G-only and censored versions of that pic are circulating the tubes as I type. Is their's one thing I know about teen girls, it's that they will go to [i]any[/i] lengths to get someone to pay attention to them, from changing their clothes to slashing their wrists. And when a teen girl hears about those first 'sexters' (God I hate that word), they don't think "Oh I won't do that because it's wrong and dumb", they think "OMG that girl is on tv because she sent nude pics!" I know I'm generalizing, but I'd say about 90% of teen girls thing like that, at least in passing.

TL;DR
Not parent'sfault, we glorify the people that do this instead of being rational.

St.Jimmy

@flunkycarter: kinda blunt and unnecessary don't'cha think?

@Purple Dave: Right, coz every pedophile who sees a picture will then try their damnedest to find, rape, and murder them. I definitely don't condone pedophilia, but alarmist, over-imaginative panicking like that only leads to trouble.

Dannel Gomiller

@EQC:
Last I checked, it's still illegal for her to do so. Matter of fact, there was a case a few months ago where two kids were arrested for sending (and saving) nude photos of themselves to each other by cel phone.

And it's not so much that an exposed breast might cause irreparable harm, but that an exposed _underaged_ breast might lead to some very specific harm on her behalf. All it takes is one child predator to find out who she is, and she might not live to regret her moment of indiscretion.

Purple Dave

@missionary position: It's not bastardizing the English Language. It's simple semantics. The longer a language exists the simpler it becomes to speak and write.

Lupison

@nutbastard:

the proper term for those who lust after pubescent teenagers is "everyone"

este

@xredgambit: Police? Who is the criminal? Who is the victim?

Do you take the side of the DA in the news recently who heard about the problem of nude pictures of underage girls floating around a high school and thought: "I can deal with this by threatening to label the girls Sex Offenders" for life if they don't take part in my re-education program"?

Nudity, alone, should not define "pornography." Nor should these girls be labeled anything other than stupid/careless.

If I have teenage daughters one day, I of course would not want naked pictures of them floating around...but I also don't believe that the law needs to get involved in such a situation.

EQC

@Purple Dave: Yes...make the world more complicated and fill it with rules that inconvenience people and businesses so we can all protect the children from themselves.

...Last I heard, a girl taking naked pictures of herself and sending them out to the internet isn't exactly the innocent little angel her parents will probably claim she is. The iPhone didn't trick her into taking naked pictures, did it?

Who cares anyway...worst case scenario the girl gets called a few names in school. Europe does just fine with nude/topless beaches/pools/saunas/etc. Why is this country so certain that an exposed breast causes some irreparable harm?

EQC

@andrews1469: I'm getting tired of the "punish everybody for the mistakes of a few" crap. It was stupid in elementary school and it's stupid now.

Hey, Apple: if an app is misused by some dumb kids, that doesn't mean it needs to be removed from the marketplace. Hint: the problem is with the people using the software for stupid reasons. The problem is not with the otherwise perfectly fine app.

Just because kids might be involved doesn't change that...

EQC

@nutbastard: Right. So these pictures, you had them in a drawer in your bedroom? They weren't for handing round at school or putting up on websites? And if you'd have suggested doing things like that, you and your girl would have had a flaming argument? Not that you'd have wanted to anyway, because that would have been weird, because they were your pictures for you and her? Is this the case? I bet it is, and that's what I'm talking about. Not what these other respondents wilfully misinterpret about porn or whatever the hell their problem with what I'm saying is.

Indigen

@angelzero: Ten years was an example of how recent the change is. The internet existed but social networking and widespread digital cameras did not. I'm not about to say how old I am because I can guarantee some lying pervert my age will arrive to tell me I obviously lived in a backwards hick county because he was producing amateur porn by the time he was 10.

I didn't laugh at her, I didn't outright laugh at all. I just couldn't take it seriously. I was maybe 15 and my girlfriend describing what shes wearing and if my dork was hard on the phone was kinda ridiculous, especially considering we could have gone out with 20 minutes notice instead, except she had to stay in to do homework. Since then I've been with women who like to do it often, so I try to oblige now. I've been with more who think it's as ridiculous as I did the first time though. I assume they don't like sex either, Kayleigh? And we all need to get over ourselves, angelzero? You know, I'm noticing a pattern with you people.

Indigen

@wcnghj: Apple is operated by a bunch of pedophiles, clearly.

@puffnstuff: Can we just take this one step further and charge the parents of underage children sharing their nude pics with conspiracy to distribute child porn for not monitoring their child's activities?

IMO the one thing ruining society the most are negligent parents, which seems par for the course these days as parents seem to get upset when I'm forced to tell their out of control kids to "stop fucking biting/punching/scratching me and my possessions".

Also, the ability to report underage children playing M rated games online to child services would be really nice, just build it right into XBL, PLEASE.

@Indigen:

i had pics of my girlfriends naked when i was 16. polaroids, natch. it was in 1999, so digicams were still expensive and shitty.

@missionary position:
@Super Sonic:
@350z-racer:

the proper term for those who lust after pubescent teenagers is 'ephebophile' - Paedophile is reserved for those who lust after prepubescent children.

@MacPatrick:
I do believe the writer of this column is saying thats what can and will happen. It hasnt happened yet....

andrews1469

@missionary position: That's what we Americans do best. Bastardize everything!

"But when 15 year old girls start uploading topless photos of themselves, like the previously approved and then denied Hottest Girls app, that's when someone needs to take the app off the market."

-and port it to Windows Mobile!

@OCEntertainment: Any app that allows pictures has nudies. People need to get over it.

"Hey look that girl is only 13!"

As long as the next thing to happen is the picture is taken down there isn't really much more we can ask. The only other plausible action could be charges are brought against the girl who posted the pics or the parents. It sure as hell isn't the companies fault unless they ignore it.

@missionary position: Well put my good friend. Well put.

Chris Giddings

Nudie Fail

iFOREIGNi

@chrishannan: I just enjoy how it leaves me damn near ungoogle-able as THE Chris Hansen was in my town catching predators. Take that future employers trying to dig up dirt on me!

@Indigen: neither pornography nor people taking nudie pics of themselves are modern phenomena.

Your generation... ten years ago? Please. Have you heard of the 60s? The 70s? The 80s? ...the 90s?

Have you heard of Rome and Greece? Or countries and cultures where men and women walk around in little more than loincloths at all times?

I'm pretty sure that, 10 years ago, my gf at the time gave me a hot pic or two.

Get over yourself.

angelzero

@YOXIM: I have, but only from girls who were at least 18 at the time the picture was taken. ;)

angelzero

@Ipwnnubletz: lulz

@bredfan: simple fix: a report button that immediately removes the picture. It's not foolproof, but it's the way thousands of other sites, who rely on user uploaded pictures/videos/etc do things. This should be no different.

@dicknervous: I award you 1000 internets for being reasonable and by correctly identifying who is and who is not to blame.

HERE! HERE!

Now that this those apps are gone, there will be no more under-age girls or boys sending n00dz anywhere ever. Forever. Problem solved.

Apple: People of all ages uploading any kinds of photos to public servers? Sure!

@Super Sonic: Well the correct spelling of the word is paedophile.

America adopted the simplified spelling of words containing ae/oe with just a single e instead. So yes it's easier to spell but nonetheless it bastardises the English language.

@Indigen: So let me get this straight, a woman took the time to call you up, out of all the other men in the entire world, to start up a conversation she might have found wet-making and you LAUGHED AT HER? Can you maybe explain to me why you don't enjoy having sex? Nvm man, I don't want to know.

I really do find it amusing that you keep saying, "my generation" but don't bother to explain which. The only generation that didn't seem to have secret sexapades was ohhhhh never.

Kayleigh R. Carter

@350z-racer:

Maybe they should support more education programs so people know how to spell pedophile.

What's the big deal? Whatever's uploaded is the users responsibility, and I'm sure the appmakes have some kind of EULA that says no illegal stuff allowed.
I don't see how APPLE is to blame for a program someone else made, and the end users abused.
That's like saying Microsoft should be sued because some guy downloaded a picture of a topless girl that was underage on his computer, beacuse the system didn't disallow him to open the image?

Inception

@Signore Pinko-Panko!: Ah, the first wardrobe malfunction incident... I remember mine quite... vaguely. Kinda bigger girl, not much boobage. But hey, I was 12 at the time, so it got me a little excited.

But as I got older, and the chicks got drunker, that is when the good wardrobe malfunctions come. Mmmm.

god i hate kids.

@Hi, I'm God:
They don't have a way of confirming that you're of age, and it lets you upload your pics to a public forum instead of doing direct phone-to-phone transfer? Yeah, I can see why they'd be getting flak for this. It's probably less to punish them and more to just make sure they fix the problem post-haste.

Purple Dave

@Kittenparade: people....

@tenazrael:
I've always wondered that if you had nude photos of yourself from when you were a teenager, is it child pornography when you get older? It would seem kind of bizarre if it was illegal to own pictures of yourself, since the only person being exploited would have been yourself.
Like if you and your girlfriend made a video when you were 16, is that somehow illegal for you to own?

tekdemon

No longer available

Timothy Davies

@350z-racer: iCHOMO

urbanturban666

@bredfan: You're right, the devs could have done a better job with the app. But that in no way lessens the responsibility of the parents and the kids.

I don't have an iPhone, are there any type of parental controls or ways to lock certain features and functions with a password?

@dicknervous: I'm torn here.

On one hand, I agree parents need to start accepting responsibility for their kids and their actions, and stop blaming everyone else.

In this case though I think they're both idiots. The parents for allowing the kids to get to this point, and the devs for not knowing this was going to happen and taking steps to prevent it. How hard would it have been to have a waiting period for pics to be cleared?

bredfan

@saif32: loser.

flunkycarter

@ShrikirtiHaele: great Idea using the postal service to transport child porn. If anything the photos are embeded with gps location just get that and send the po-pos out to them

xredgambit

@aaj111: Yeah, cause I didn't sense any sarcasm either.

Kittenparade

@Christo Acosta: "Why doesn't your mother have these? Damn! Oh, right. DON'T!!"

That app is silly. That's what 4chan is for!

Ipwnnubletz

Removed from app store. App store lets me find it via search, then agree to a 17+ app, then informs me the app has been revoked.

notluf

no longer available.....

Manu Jain

@eagles3 assistant boss: Hm. It's actually a legit post and I don't think I holier than thou'd in it. I've entered discussions about it all over the place (mainly after drinks). There wasn't the equivalent, that's the thing. There were the teenage fumblings and mistakes, there always have been, but it was behind closed doors and private. No pictures, and certainly not distributed around. That is all a very modern phenomenon. I had girlfriends in high school; never received or saw a picture of any of them naked. I took some once myself of a girl I went on holiday with (mild stuff), which her parents found and destroyed the relationship. And I seem to remember one once called me and wanted to talk sexy on the phone (one door away from both our parents) which I found too funny to take seriously at the time, although I've found since it's a big thing with some women.

My generation would have felt intolerably self conscious taking pictures of themselves, with their own camera, for anything, let alone many of them from all angles and all poses and often naked to put on a website all about ourselves. This is all commonplace now. And we aren't talking a hundred years ago. Try ten or less.

If living your life means, to you, distributing naked pictures of yourself publicly then you might consider a career in the sex industry. I'm happy with my interpretation, which involves things like friends and family and the outdoors, and not taking pictures, alone, of myself naked, for everyone to look (and other things) at on their computers.

Indigen

@350z-racer: Oh shit. I guess Safari is next to go. =/

@thechansen: Can we start calling it Mobile OSX?: Your name is so close to mine! =D

Oops...kinda random and off topic.

@puffnstuff:
I'm not sure, but I think you just said parents should watch their 15 year old jailbait queen spread eagle all over the internet.

I'm pretty open minded, but you're freaking me out.

Seriously though, you're right. Even if the legal impetus is on the service provider to police this though, I don't see what it has to do with the client on the iPhone.

@something_unique_and_descriptive:
Honestly though, if the application is just a client to what is basically another "Hot or Not" web application why should Apple be held responsible? Would it not be the responsibility of the parties hosting the web service/application? I'm sure the data isn't hosted on any of Apple's server. If Apple is legally liable for any content accessed by any application they make, they should consider getting out of the business because that's just madness.

@eagles3 assistant boss:
I'm not sure you understood Indigen's post. Think Indigen was saying that he or she is from an older generation and doesn't "get" some of the things young people do, or rather doesn't understand the means by which they do it. Unless I missed something.

As Woody Allen might say, "These photos of underage girls are terrible and they load too slowly."

@dicknervous: First sensible thing someone here has said. Amen Brotha/Sista hard to tell with a handle like yours.

Azteck

@Signore Pinko-Panko!: Comment of the month! That's the greatest thing I've read all day.

Omar Abuhashish

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Why is it left to the corporations to do what parents should be? Why is it Apple's responsibility to prevent 15yr olds from downloading an application that is clearly rated for 17+? Why do 15yr old kids even HAVE an iPhone?

Is it Cannon's fault if a 13yr old girl uses their digital cameras to take nude photos of herself then post them to the web? Is it the responsibility of EA to make sure that 10yr old children don't play Mass Effect? Is IBM responsible when a kid finds porn on the internet using one of their computers? Does everyone shout at Microsoft to pull IE off the market because you can surf to porn? The answer to all of those questions is NO. So why is Apple (or Blackberry or Palm or anyone else with an app store) responsible to pull an app like this off the market?

They shouldn't be. The parents of these underage miscreants need to teach their children about what is acceptable and what is not. About personal responsibility and what it means to post something like this. The PARENTS need to monitor what their children do. The PARENTS are the one who bought the 13yr old an iPhone and let them have free run with it. The PARENTS are the ones that need to be yelled out, publicly shamed, and made fun of. It is THEIR responsibility to teach their children not to do stuff like this. Not Apple's or Microsoft or Cannon or any other corporation.

I know damn well that I will be teaching MY children these things. That I will be watching where they surf, what they do, and even disabling features of their phones, computers, or whatever it is they have. I will watch what they do on Facebook, MySpace, or whatever is hot when my 7yr old gets to that stage. And if he does something stupid, I won't blame Facebook or Apple, I will blame myself for not teaching him to think and do the smart thing.

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@MacPatrick:

10 year old girl: Mom, I'm bored... can I play with your iPhone?

Sure!

10 year old girl: Ooh, what's this? ... D:!

@VulnoX: I mean, I read it online... somewhere... in a book...

Christo Acosta

@ShrikirtiHaele: Haha, that'd be great... "Honey, come in here for a moment... We need to talk..."

Christo Acosta

@thechansen: Can we start calling it Mobile OSX?:

Lol,I appreciated that one.

+1

taniquetil

Why are young people so stupid?

Dwayne Harris

Apps like this make me feel like I wasted my 15 year oldedness.

redkamel

@wcnghj: Its removed. Its on the store, but if you download it it wont work.

I read that somewhere.

VulnoX

Dammit...I jumped no it too late!

jcrockerman

Why hasn't apple removed this yet??

wcnghj

@Wibble: No no, he didn't say "underage" girls, just "hot" ones. And I can understand the sentiment. Sorta like how I finally saw an honest to god wardrobe malfunction in public, but it wasn't by someone that anyone in their right mind would want to see have a wardrobe malfunction...

Parents responsibility, if they don't want their 15 year old jailbait queen to be spread eagle all over the interwebz then they should not buy the device or monitor the usage

skanks get younger and younger every year

Pwnerjam3.0

@OCEntertainment: it is still there but the owner re-released, probably at apples request, and added a filter. It is now primarily G-rated pics.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

@Indigen: yeah...it's people like you with your holier than tho bullshit that make me sick.

Maybe your generation didn't have all this digital stuff but I can guarantee that they had their equivalent which was just as "alienating"

Although it could just be that you never bothered to actually live your life but instead remained a stoic example of boredom.

That girl should be spanked.

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

@YOXIM: So...you're saying you want to get pics of underage girls?

Classy.

@tenazrael: Did you? That's interesting. I didn't. No-one I knew did. I don't do it now either. Of course, there were no digital cameras when I was 15. It would have involved Polaroids shown round in the toilets. Which I daresay happened. Still, what do you think that indicates about the difference between someone like you, and someone like me? Or indeed me and the broad majority of young people today, who I already feel completely alienated from without little tidbits like this?

Indigen

How you doing today Apple? I'm Chris Hansen, why don't you have a seat over there??

whats different then this and say photoswap?

@YOXIM: I hate the insurance call. Bastards...!

Ok, I'm unable to do my research at the moment, but please tell me I just happened to miss the part that said Apple *has* taken this app down?

I will be a bit more than appalled to find out baby shaker only lasted a couple hours, but child pornography stayed on the market long enough to make it to Giz.

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which iPhone the pictures came from, should it? Why not just attach a copy of the picture to their parents' next phone bill!

ShrikirtiHaele

Apple needs to just accept the fact that any time you crowd-source software, there will be porn... I mean it's not like you can't just pop open Safari and enter [genitalia of choice].com to find porn, it's on there already.

For the underage nudity thing, if Apple wants to play police in their app store, then yeah, they should be held responsible. Of course doing that means they're going to have to ban any sort of social networking app that allows posting of pictures.

something_unique_and_descriptive

@Sir Gibler:

Already with over 3500 ratings...

No doubt.

uRbAnlP

the reviews on this app are hilarious. It must be a collection of middle aged pedos bemoaning the fact that the App is now censored to a G rated level.

"where did all the pictures of 12 year old tits go? Without these this app is garbage"

@Hi, I'm God: Well it's that or it's the parent's fault and most parents would rather not admit that fact.

This is an outrage! I'm so against it, despite the fact that my wife and I did this when we were underage.

Damn you Apple!

tenazrael

BeautyMeter is a game? o_O

DaSazonator

@Hi, I'm God: You know, I keep hearing about all these nudie photos being traded via MMS left and right, yet I haven't gotten any. What the hell? I can get robocalled for a car warranty scam, but I can't get a stray MMS with a naked photo of a hot girl in it? What kind of a world do we live in folks?

this app will now be on the top 25 free in 3...2...1...

Because without the app they wouldn't be able to email the pictures from their phones, or upload them to Facebook or other sites?

Wouldn't it be better to let them use the app, have a way to identify problem photos, and then send a text to the person who uploaded it telling them what a moron they are? Uh, sorry, I meant use it as a teachable moment. Yeah.

jdale

What's next? Pedo Bear laser engraving?

I'm sure someone, somewhere out there has already done a DIY Pedo Bear engraving.

Well it's not Apple's fault. Naughty naughty girls. Are the cellphone carriers to be blamed that their MMS service is used constantly to send nude pictures? Well I suppose that's a bit more private... but nonetheless.

Thats blasphemy! It clearly says rated 17+. How did she get her hands on this app?! How!?

Well now Apple can market the iPhone/iPod Touch to the pedofile niche... :-/