Logitech Universal Remote Battlemodo: Harmony 1100i Vs Harmony 525

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logitech battlemodo.jpgIf you own even the most basic of home theatre setups, you should own a universal remote control. One button on one remote to switch between your DVD player, your DVR or your games consoles makes your home life so much easier. But which remote should you choose? Logitech have all but cornered the market with their Harmony remotes, but do you really need to spend $900 on the top of the line 1100i? Or will the $130 525 do the job. We put them up against eachother to find out.Setting up both the 525 and the 1100i are essentially identical. They both use Logitech’s Harmony software to download all the necessary IR codes for each component in your home theatre setup. The only major difference is that you can customise the background on the touchscreen 1100i. The process of setting up your remote does take a bit of time, and a little tweaking to get right, but once you’re done, it works almost perfectly for both remotes.

To test, I set up my system with a range of activities: Watch Foxtel, Watch DVD, Play Xbox, Play PS3, Play Wii, and Watch TV. Unfortunately both remotes were unable to actually control the PS3 and Wii, but by setting up the macro control I could switch on the rest of my system and select the necessary inputs to do those activities.

The task of selecting an activity is much quicker and easier on the 1100i, thanks to its large touchscreen input, which features six options on the front screen. The 525 isn’t any more difficult as such – it just restricts the number of functions to four dedicated buttons next to the small LCD. After a while you automatically know where each function is, but for simple ease of use, the 1100i wins hands down.

However, roles are reversed when it comes to actually controlling your devices. The 525, with its entire body filled with dedicated buttons for each task, makes it much easier to enter specific channel numbers, control playback or choose your favourites through shortcut buttons. The 1100i offers all these functions, but they are generally found one level down through the touchscreen interface. There are certain buttons on the 1100i dedicated to particular functions, like volume, mute and channel selection, but on the whole, the 525′s dedictaed array of buttons makes it easier to control your devices.

Build quality, meanwhile is definitely far superior on the 1100i. It’s solid in every way, while the 525 feels like the cheap plastic that it is. Some of the buttons on the 525 require a much harder press to actually work, including the often used volume controls. It’s not enough to recommend against buying the 525, but it is a case of you get what you pay for.

The other thing with the 525 is that it uses four AAA batteries rather than a rechargeable unit like the 1100i. That’s not a problem until you need to change them at which point the remote seems to lose all memory of its settings. It’s easily fixed with a simple sync with the Harmony software.

And yet, despite all of the advantages of the 1100i over the 525 remote, when all is said and done, I’d probably still recommend the cheaper remote. Considering you can pick one up for about $75, as opposed to the $450 online price for the 1100i, the remote works just as well, controls the same number of devices and doesn’t require you to drill down into menus to control different aspects of your devices.

It’s worth noting that there are a few models in between the two extremes here which may suit your needs much more than the entry-level or top of the line. So if you don’t like the 525′s use of AAA batteries, the Harmony One has a rechargeable built-in, for example. But the bottom line, ultimately, is that there really isn’t any reason to have a loungeroom with more than a single remote control.

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(13 Comments)
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    Ian

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM

    I’ve been through a Harmony 525 (dropped it on concrete, screen LCD broke but the unit still works), Harmony Xbox (play button stopped working – a bit of a show-stopper) and I’m currently on a Harmony 785.

    IMO, the 785 is a hell of a lot better than the previous two. Button presses feel a lot easier (not as much resistance) and the unit is more responsive – whereas the previous two had a bit of a lag between presses (and I tried all manner of tweaks to change them). Oh, and the 785 is rechargeable and comes with a charging dock.

    Also, of worthy note, it seems like the PS3 adapter for the Harmony remotes should be available in Australia within the month.

    City Software have the cheapest 785 units at 188.00. Highly recommended.

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    poedgirl

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM

    I have a 785 which addresses every one of your gripes with the 525. Good build quality, customisable background on the screen and rechargeable battery. Not to mention Logitech sell an adapter to use the Harmony remotes with a PS3 or Wii.

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    Red T-Rex

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM

    I own a 1000 and I think it is such a shame that Logitec don’t provide an SDK as I am sure it could be done much better. It goes so close to greatness but falls just short enough of the mark to make the experience too frustrating to continue to use so my family has reverted to the four individual remotes.

    As Nick points out, as soon as you have to use a feature that is not one of the primary functions on the main screen you find them buried several layers down in menus. If I could program it myself and customise it more to the way we would like it it would be a fabulous tool.

    C’mon Logitec, provide an SDK and I think you’ll be amazed at how useful other people could make it (think iPod touch apps).

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    michael

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM

    You can change the order of soft buttons on the Harmony One, i’d be surprised if the same functionality isn’t available on the 1000 as it’s based in the software.

    My biggest problem with the Harmony concept is i’d really like an advanced (but blindingly simple conceptually) ‘press for seconds, wait …then…etc” type format rather than having to make clunky macros and activities.

    The biggest problem with the activies is having to turn them ‘off’ to end them which can be annoying when using the remote in workflows with devices it can’t control like the ps3… a big ‘stop activity’ button would also be handy.

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    Jason

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    “City Software have the cheapest 785 units at 188.00.” – lol

    Fluidtek sells them for 99 bucks mate.

    Though indeed, the one of the 785 are the real choices here, not the 1100 or the 525 revewied!

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    matt

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM

    id use an itouch as a universal remote (or a ds) if using a touch screen remote was expectable(and battery life was ok: does the istuff have some sort of sleep mode :D ). i’ve already made a cheap IR receiver/transmitter that plugs into a computer with about $10 and a trip to dicksmiths, you can use that to control ir devices with the itouch, then you could use some blutooth hack to make your blutooth enabled computer look like a ps3 or wii remote. then you can control everything (computer/tv/ps3 ect) with your itouch or iphone.

    the only requirement is an always on computer, and a wireless network. if you have this and an iDevice, i would look into this!

    (btw, whats with no built in IR on the ps3, even the xbox has it, its a pretty big omission)

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    Ian

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    “Fluidtek sells them for 99 bucks mate.” – $125 actually.

    Of course, that condition is if 1) you were to trust a dodgy website like the one they offer up or 2) lived near them (wherever they are? I don’t know, they don’t even say which state they’re in. Makes *me* feel safe).

    However, since the condition of sale for any of their Harmony remotes is pickup only, I believe most people won’t be able to take advantage.

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    Peter Enzerink

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

    Probably best not to buy from fluidtek (who list 785 at $125) http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/other-hardware-xpmce/24829-warning-horror-vendor-experience-avoid-fluidtek.html

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    Adam

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

    Does anyone know if the Harmony One worth the extra cash over the 785?

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    Jason

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

    http://www.fluidtek.com.au/ – its $99 atm (though the price does indeed fluctuate)

    They are in carlingford NSW, about 2 minutes from my House. I buy 90% of my computer gear there. So yes, i trust them…

    The owner/operator eddy is a character, to be sure, but the bargains and service are genuine. He will never EVER go out of his way to help you, but will follow any obligations he has, at least in my experience ( i have returned things there)

    I bought this remote from him 2 days ago, works great, cheaper than most 525s on offer. And you can get the harmony-one at $169 from him on a good day. These are the remotes that should have been reviewed.

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    Tony

    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM

    I bought a Harmony 360 which at first I thought was brilliant. After a few months though I found you had to press the volume controls insanely hard for them to register. My wife couldn’t physically press them hard enough! Thinking this may have been a one off bad remote I bought a second one. Buzzt. Same thing happened again after a couple of months.
    I’ve no idea if this problem affects other Harmony remotes but two in a row seems more than a coincidence.

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    Sam

    Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 8:46 AM

    I’ve got a 525 (had it about 12 months) and love it. My volume controls, while harder to press than the other buttons, I don’t feel like I have to press them very hard at all. Mine is great. I bought one for my Dad too and his seems fine too. Maybe it’s just the luck of the draw.

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    Andrew

    Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM

    We had a Harmony 785 (until a dog decided it tasted DELICIOUS), and have since bought a Harmony One.

    I love the Harmony One – it feels much more solid than the 785, and the battery seems to last forever (though the 785 was hardly a slouch in battery life).

    The downside of the touch screen is that when the remote disappears down the back of the couch, or under a cushion, or whatever… its a bit of a Kinder Surprise as to what menu options have been “touched” in the mean time.

    I think the 785 is probably the pick of the bunch, but the One is a very close second. I’d pick the One over the 785 if youre the type who puts the remote back on a coffee table or something instead of rolling around on the couch with it though as it really does feel much nicer to use.

    Also, Office Works often has specials on the One which brings it down to below online store prices. If you ever spot it, grab it! Nothing like ‘bricks and mortar’ returns and warranty policy coupled with online store pricing.

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