Vehicles
What it Feels Like to Drive a Tesla Roadster
Posted by Brian Lam at 1:00 AM on November 19, 2008

The Tesla dealership is quiet as a cage of sleeping panthers. A pack of the electric roadsters, in varying degrees of grey, are strewn across the show floor looking 200kph standing still. I imagine most of them are awaiting for a venture capitalist to pick them up and take them from meeting to meeting for the rest of their uneventful lives. But outside is a bright blue roadster ready for the 10 minutes Telsa and God have handed me. This is my long awaited drive in the Tesla roadster.
[Photos by Monica Laipple and Giz, drive via Tim Ferriss]
Studying her lines it is clear to me this car has Lotus DNA, even though the car is much cleaner and classically beautiful looking than any bug eyed Elise or Exige, and more technologically advanced than the submarine Lotus James Bond drove in The Spy Who Loved Me (Thanks Ray). The British car maker helped to design the aluminium chassis, which weighs less than 90kg, and they handle early stage manufacturing. Tesla stresses that the Roadster is not just an electric Lotus, and it shares no more than 10% of the parts. Much more thought went into this car to simply dismiss it as such. But Tesla's engineers did choose to work with Lotus for a reason, the same reason why most auto journalists consider the Elise one of the last pure sports cars around and a great deal. The low power, light weight cars are simply one of the best handling and thrilling drives out there, described as some as a street legal go kart, and I'd agree that it's one of the best driving experiences I've ever had. With shared genetics, this is perhaps the best way to judge the limits of electric performance as compared to their gas counterparts.
It's rare that Tesla lets people drive the car without a company copilot, so we'd be tailed by a Lexus chase car since I'm sitting copilot to Tim Ferriss, the guy who set up this ride, for the first shift. Starting the car is silent, and we kept trying to turn it over because we're idiots. If you don't step on the gas, there is no idle, so the car does not move forward even when your feet are not on the brakes. When Tim takes off from the lot, before I hear road noise and wind, I hear the odd purring of gears, which can almost be described as turbine like. With one gear and no engine noise, its surprisingly hard to gauge speed except by the pressure applied to the headrest by the back of your skull, the churning in your stomach or the unintended roller coaster face of your passenger. (Me.) Looking at the speedometer would be idiotic at these rates, in local traffic, but somehow we make it to about 100 for brief bursts on our way to the highway.
The rates to 100 are rated at 3.9 seconds by virtue of the electric motor's 248 HP and 280 Torque. By comparison, it bests the fastest road legal Lotus by a 10th of a second, but the power to weigh ratio is on par with the standard Elise because the battery pack brings it to 1225kg (over 315kg heavier than the Elise). The key here is that the car doesn't have to take the time to switch gears and electric motors deliver 100% of their torque at start. That power curve caused some problems earlier in two previous transmissions, which were being destroyed after a few thousand miles. To overcome that problem with the latest, more durable single gear tranny, Telsa wisely used a motor with a 14000 RPM redline that could keep rotating faster in a low gear to achieve a top speed of 200kph, while improving on the 2008's single gear transmission time to 100kph down from 5.7 seconds to 3.9 seconds.
Behind the wheel, I found that the entire system works together to deliver power like thick gobs of thick yoghurt, with no drive lash on throttle or lift, but not too buzzy either. I have to admit it's the perfect amount of torque for a car this weight, somewhere in between detroit muscle and a peaky four banger in a rice rocket. With traction control off, something I was prohibited from doing, I hear you can do doughnuts in the car, something not too easy in many roadsters. That's what I heard, anyhow. In some ways, it feels automatic, without the third pedal, but when you lift off the throttle, the car's regenerative systems seize power through engine braking. It feels like you're lifting off after revving high in second or third gear in a manual transmission sports car. Tim often didn't have to use the brakes, preferring to wind down to almost nothing by engine braking alone. I'd test the brakes later. We'd entered the highway, and the car's acceleration to 130 was great, but power tapered off closer to 180 as aerodynamics of a open top car caught up to it and torque fell. Hypothetically.
I knew the acceleration was appropriate for a car of the future, besting many gas vehicles out there. But one thing I'd never heard about was what all the battery weight (again, 1225kg vs sub 900 kg) was doing to the car's handling; the Tesla would not likely turn and brake like a space age wonder considering similar chassis, brakes, wheels and suspension There's no escaping the laws of physics. Even magical electric cars want to stay in motion, when in motion.
I snaked the car through a set of S turns, but behind other cars, so I was not able to find much data other than the car does not oversteer easily. Through a banked onramp to highway 280, the ghetto skidpad, I wasn't light on the gas, and on the smooth, 270 degree banked circle, I could feel the car's rack and pinion wanting to push a bit. I wasn't sure of my speed, so it's impossible to say when confidence was starting to fade. The chase car driver later implied they had to slow down to 100 on the ramp, but I doubt I was going much faster than that. I'll conclusively say that the car handles less confidently than an Elise, but will destroy many road going sedans and coupes.
Back off the highway, with the chase car still catching up, I got a chance to try the brakes quickly rounding a corner and heading towards traffic. With a second lane opening up, I slammed them. Warm tires and chattered across the rough, slightly downhill road and I was forced to take the other lane or eat SUV. I felt the weight, and expected the car to stop shorter.
But here's something to chew on. I have no conclusive data of how fast we were going, given the singlegear, quiet propulsion of the vehicle. I could have been going 60kph, I could have been going 100kph, so it's not fair to judge the car's handling or braking. And Tesla and the internet have no skidpad, slalom or braking distance test results for the car. Conspiracy? I can't say. None of this really matters, because the Tesla Roadster is unique as a performance oriented electric car and deserves heaps of praise for what it is and how it feels to drive despite its efficiency from battery to wheels of 80-90%. Most gas engines sit at about 20%. Provided your public utility has some measure of efficiency to their electric production, you can do a lot of good in this car.
I wouldn't be describing this car properly without describing the interior. The Roadster's insides look similar but have been improved over its sister cars from the UK. Door sills have been lowered to make entrance easy (although still requiring some level of acrobatics) the leather seats are more comfortable and heated, the premium stereo is a single DIN JVC KD-NX5000, which features DivX and DVD playback, as well as navigation and a 40GB HDD and iPod dock. The position of the stereo is sort of low on the dashboard. The stereo's imaging is superb and there's a sub somewhere in the tiny cockpit thumping away. There's an electric touch LCD on the left managing battery charge, tire pressure monitors, etc. Your arse is dragging probably 20cm from the ground.
I can't afford this car. If I wanted something similar to this in shape, feel and performance, I'd probably buy a used Elise for $US30K if I could get over the bug eyes. But I can assure you that a Tesla is still a hell of a a car, by electric or gas terms, even if its just a bit more portly and more expensive than a comparable Lotus. I mean, its fast. It's electric. It's efficient. It's sexy. And you can actually buy it if you're rich. And while Tesla as a company may have had some problems in manufacturing at first, they didn't wait for old industry to get off its arse and build something revolutionary. Like Android, I hope it catalyses the fossil fuel makers traditional makers into a game of catch up with cars that are just as fast and efficient, and hopefully a lot cheaper. And if that doesn't leave you somewhat impressed, then you belong with the dinosaurs.
Note: Impressions from a 10 minute drive are going to be impressions from a 10 minute drive, nothing more.
[Special Thanks to Tim Ferriss for facilitating this drive and donating half of his drive time to me, and for photographer Monica Laipple for the better shots above. Some more videos over at Tim's site. ]

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Steve Moyer
Posted November 20, 2008 9:52 AM
Awesome. I want one. Zero pollution. That's the way to live. What was GM thinking when they killed the EV-1 program and crushed the cars? The people loved them. Someone at GM needs to lose their job.
scingram
Posted 3:28 AM 19/11/08
Fantastic review man. Love reading this here, bet the boys from Jalopnik are a bit jealous. Never knew you were such the car buff. Well done.
Hopefully cars like this, and the small startups willing to take the risks to make them will get the rest of the automotive world off their collective lumbering asses and take notice.
Thanks for a great read you lucky bastard. :)
scingram
elgringoguapo
Posted 3:28 AM 19/11/08
I agree. Screw the American companies, they had their chances. There were electric cars on the road over 100 years ago (Jay Leno has one). I feel sorry for the workers, but why didn't their unions push for change when the EV1 was released?
If you feel one once of sympathy for GM, Ford, or Chrysler then go watch "Who Killed the Electric Car"
Lets but the money in the hands of innovators. In the academic world we don't know scholarships at the kids who are failing, we give it to the ones who working hard to make a difference and putting forth the best effort.
Tesla is the future. How are we all too blind to see it.
elgringoguapo
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 3:28 AM 19/11/08
@DaddysFavourite: Seems like an innocent Freudian slip (which I assume will be corrected soon). Elan is lovely stuff.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
jdbaile3
Posted 3:27 AM 19/11/08
Also, with all that nice touch screen this and carbon fiber that, why do the gauges look like they came out of a ford f-150?
How do you charge it up?
jdbaile3
manduvi
Posted 3:27 AM 19/11/08
Man!
You are my idol. Period.
manduvi
ripfire
Posted 3:26 AM 19/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: They're barely getting into hybrids, and you want full electric right away? I suppose it all depends on our battery technology.
ripfire
jdbaile3
Posted 3:26 AM 19/11/08
i see a little carerra GT in there.
Also, those numbers are amazing. My mazdaspeed3 is at 279 hp and 290 ft-lbs of torque, but the best 0-60 I can manage is barely under 6 seconds.
Of course, my car probably weighs 3000 lbs and I have to shift gears twice.
I cant wait for electric sports cars to be common place, 100% of torque available at the start is nice!
jdbaile3
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 3:26 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: GM and Ford are both vastly superior on the aesthetic level to Chrysler's offerings. I swear, the 300 is the fugliest thing on four wheels right now.
I'd rather Chrysler made something like the Fiat Multipla, or the Renault Clio, than anything like that.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Lite
Posted 3:25 AM 19/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: Yeah, electric roadsters, or 1,000,000 people employed via the supply chain going all the way down to dealerships.
Such a tough choice to make.
If GM managed to get its reliability up to say, Ford's (Most of their cars lately are on par reliability-wise with Japanese manufacturers), and if both companies could manage to build cars that didn't look ugly as hell. I'd consider buying one from them again.
Lite
TonyRockyHorror
Posted 3:23 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: unfortunately, it's not that simple.
while i agree that failing companies, however large, should be left to fail, if an automaker bailout is going to happen it's because of jobs. GM and the others employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly through suppliers.
they reason they're going to be propped up is to keep their employees working.
that said, companies like Tesla SHOULD be given the same sorts of tax breaks and incentives that the Detroit makers get.
TonyRockyHorror
Mavrix
Posted 3:20 AM 19/11/08
*starts writing his letter to santa*
Mavrix
russdanger
Posted 3:17 AM 19/11/08
I hate you.
russdanger
Tony C
Posted 3:17 AM 19/11/08
James Bond's "The Spy Who Loved Me" submarining Lotus was an Esprit.
Tony C
DaddysFavourite
Posted 3:17 AM 19/11/08
Nice article.
The submarine Lotus in "The Spy Who Loved Me" is an Esprit not an Elan btw.
DaddysFavourite
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 3:15 AM 19/11/08
One thing I can't wait to see
A GT1 Tesla! I wonder if the FIA would allow such a thing.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
ripfire
Posted 3:14 AM 19/11/08
So, no burnout?
ripfire
Curves
Posted 3:13 AM 19/11/08
That car looks good on you.
Curves
bobdobbs
Posted 3:13 AM 19/11/08
"light on the gas." Good one, blam.
bobdobbs
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 3:13 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: But you know they'd sooner just give it to them anyway, since they do employ a great deal more people, and are a big staple behemoth, even if most of their cars are shit.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
theogcasey
Posted 3:12 AM 19/11/08
Are you trying to tell me that this car is faster and better than my Nissan Altima? Blasphemy!
theogcasey
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 3:12 AM 19/11/08
Awesome stuff man. Without the necessity for side scoops, the thing looks so clean and slick compared to the Elise (though, I prefer the Elise's taillights over the Tesla's). I can't wait until more performance-oriented electric coupes, sedans and speedsters start rolling out. I envy thee BLam, I envy thee.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
robot-shmobot
Posted 3:12 AM 19/11/08
You are one lucky bastard.
robot-shmobot
ralfhutter
Posted 3:09 AM 19/11/08
Forget GM, this is where the government should spend our money. They should give a couple Billion to Tesla Motors not that Dinosaur of a car company GM.
ralfhutter
Rabid Penguin
Posted 3:44 AM 19/11/08
@Joseph: What flavor are your edible erasers. That makes a huge difference in determining whether you should get a bail out.
Rabid Penguin
Joseph
Posted 3:39 AM 19/11/08
@TonyRockyHorror:
So if i have a shop that sells edible erasers should I get a bail out to keep people working even though I'm not selling enough to cover my expenses?
Joseph
jdbaile3
Posted 3:38 AM 19/11/08
@elgringoguapo:
well thats fine and all as long as these other small companies tap into the millions of people who are employers of suppliers to companies like GM (aka me)
luckily GM is not our only customer, so we are still doing alright.
jdbaile3
excaza
Posted 3:35 AM 19/11/08
@jdbaile3: I noticed that when the first prototype came out, the dials looked like they came out of a dodge intrepid. While they did change them, I was still hoping that for $100k you'd get a cooler looking console
excaza
excaza
Posted 3:33 AM 19/11/08
"but power tapered off closer to 110 as aerodynamics of a open top car caught up to it and torque fell. Hypothetically."
AHAHAHAHA
I love the review, very well written and without the BS. I've loved the Tesla since it was announced, I wish I had the bucks to pick one up.
Stupid college tuition.
excaza
Gann
Posted 4:13 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: Please elaborate on these luxury edible erasers. What flavors do they come in? Do they really work as an eraser, or is it just a formality?
Gann
Gann
Posted 4:11 AM 19/11/08
@Rabid Penguin: Yeah, it's really about the jobs and our failing economy. I just got lost in analogy-land.
Gann
TJ
Posted 4:10 AM 19/11/08
After a review like that, I suspect even "Clarksonias" will sing it's praises...
Well done, sir.
TJ
cardboredbox
Posted 4:09 AM 19/11/08
@Gann: That's a stupid reason, if GM was to only car manufacturer in the world, then yes, it makes sense to bail them out. The problem is they aren't the only one. If they go under; Ford, Toyota, and Honda will easily buy up their factories and dealerships and take GM's place. Maybe all the Republicans should stick to there "free market" BS
cardboredbox
Lite
Posted 4:06 AM 19/11/08
@dumanue: You mean, like Tesla which doesn't want to build a non-luxury item for the masses to use?
Or, let's take this edible eraser discussion further. What if there are 1,000,000 people employed directly/indirectly by this edible eraser manufacturer. A good number of these people already live in areas where there are 10%+ unemployment rates. Now, do you subsidize the company that employs 1,000,000 people in the US, or do you subsidize the company making a luxury edible eraser?
Now, if it were your political job on the line, your party's image on the line, your incoming president's legacy on the line. Something which affects your entire party's stance as being for "the little guy"... Where would you fall on this issue?
I'd rather not have 1,000,000 blue collar workers out of jobs in a country where we're already exporting their jobs at a record pace.
So, sure. Let the company fail. Put steel mills out of business. Plastics companies out of business. Electronics companies out of business. Dealerships, and their employees. Is your job so highly skilled that one of these people couldn't replace you for a lower wage?
I'd rather not see 1/300th of our population (That's total, not working mind you.) out of work. It would basically cause somewhere like a 3% jump in unemployment nationally.
Lite
harumph
Posted 4:05 AM 19/11/08
Jealous and I wish I could afford one.
harumph
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 4:04 AM 19/11/08
@Migo: Lights. Lots and lots of lights. And this won't stop them from doing like Brabus is shamelessly sporting: goddamn fake car noises.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Tomo
Posted 4:01 AM 19/11/08
Oh my god this is SUCH a sexy car. Quiet, too, apparently. It's beautiful. I'm surprised, though, that it feels like you say it does. Wasn't expecting that.
Tomo
BuckCabelas
Posted 4:01 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: GM, Chrysler and Ford are all dinosaur companies too influenced by the oil companies to truly be innovative to a benefit to society. Their sole purpose is to keep people working - JOBS- virtually nothing to go with making cars. Car have been designed better overseas, their innovation in technology and fuel efficiency is embarassing on a global scale. And when companies likes Tesla Motors come along and do (with technology) what the big three say cannot be done they cannot give credit where credit is due. I love that their main argument about electric vehicles is that batteries are too expensive (accounting for about 1/3 the cost of the vehicle) - now, if only GM, Ford or Chrysler new somebody that knew a thing or two about mass automation and mass production to reduce that cost... Love the Tesla, looks great!
BuckCabelas
Migo
Posted 4:01 AM 19/11/08
What will the ricers with the coffee-can exhausts do once these electric sportscars pick up? They won't have their loud fartcans anymore.
Migo
norfizzle
Posted 4:00 AM 19/11/08
Done that. So awesome! Smallest car I've ever been in.. Anyone in Napa two weekends ago? Robb Report Best of Cars 2008, that was me.
norfizzle
Rabid Penguin
Posted 3:59 AM 19/11/08
@Gann: But we'll still have cars AND car manufacturers in the US without any government bailout, but edible erasers could be gone from our culture forever... how could we live with ourselves if we allow that to happen?
Rabid Penguin
Lite
Posted 3:59 AM 19/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: And compared to GM, their reliability is even worse. I'm amused that the only thing Chrysler could do to bring back their name was to rehash old design after old design from the 60's, including the poor gas mileage.
Lite
Toshie
Posted 3:57 AM 19/11/08
@Toshie: And I can only imagine the Tesla reps in the chase car as you almost 'ate minivan'... LOL
Toshie
dumanue
Posted 3:56 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: agreed. Or subsidize other up and coming car companies who have a dream but not the backing of big lobbyists.
dumanue
Toshie
Posted 3:55 AM 19/11/08
Damn, it's good to be the Blam! Sporting his new WiiFit body, tooling around (for at least ten minutes) in a shizitnit hot Tesla roadster... You gonna have to use pepper spray to keep the fly ladies away!
Toshie
ppiddy
Posted 3:55 AM 19/11/08
2700lbs is still a featherweight by modern standards...that's what a Mini Cooper S weighs. A GTI is 400lbs more than that. If the weight were kept down low, which isn't that hard to do with batteries and electric motors, it should still be totally delicious to drive.
Electric cars are awesome. I got a chance to drive (and refuel!) Ford's fuel cell powered focus, and even in that relatively wimpy car, taking off from a stoplight was awesome. A quiet, high pitched whine combined with the sound of rubber being chewed off the tires. Mmmm. Of course, the fun was over by about 30mph, but still...
P.S. Handling and braking characteristics don't have all that much to do with speed. Don't talk so much about how fast you were going. It's how you tell the difference between someone who likes cars and someone who drives cars.
ppiddy
Gann
Posted 3:55 AM 19/11/08
@Joseph: Only if it's a really, really big edible eraser shop. And people needed edible erasers to function in modern society, or to even get around in our cities which were designed around everyone having an edible eraser because we haven't built enough large, public edible erasers. So no, you wouldn't.
Gann
ripfire
Posted 3:53 AM 19/11/08
@Jeb_Hoge: Funny you said that because when Elon Musk first started Tesla, it was all about business. You might want to read up about the company first.
ripfire
Spotz
Posted 3:52 AM 19/11/08
SAVE TESLA!
But they need to seriously work on a car for the average American, not make a $120k sportscar.
Spotz
Jeb_Hoge
Posted 3:50 AM 19/11/08
The problem with innovators is that they often don't know how to keep a BUSINESS running but their egos won't let them admit it. That's why Tesla is in such financial trouble now. They've made a cool car (which hopefully is not so fragile anymore) and they're really Hollywood but they haven't got anything that will work for 98% of America, and the money they make (if any) off the roadsters won't capitalize them for mass production. If Tesla were smart, they'd team with one of the Big Three to MAKE CARS and not statements.
Jeb_Hoge
stevegel
Posted 4:46 AM 19/11/08
I'm holding on to my Z06 in the mean time.
stevegel
reefer
Posted 4:44 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: What exactly do you drive? GM has been on par if not higher than Ford and has for as long as I can remember, and both are on par with the imports now(cept maybe honda).
All domestic car makers have been stepping up their game year after year for awhile now as well, Chrysler not so much... but I was never much of a fan anyway.
Go drive a NEW domestic... you may be surprised. Or you can sit on the internet and spout more dribble.
reefer
Tomo
Posted 4:44 AM 19/11/08
@RacecarBoobTat: exactly.
Tomo
Rabid Penguin
Posted 4:37 AM 19/11/08
@ripfire: Hell yes! The moment I heard that GM was getting an influx of my money I thought: Hell, I may as well get a car out of this.
I doubt I'm the only one who's thinking that. It's really quite a brilliant sales strategy.
Rabid Penguin
ytkliu
Posted 4:37 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: That would be an awful idea. For one thing, the loss of GM would send shockwaves through the job market and the automotive industry that would cripple this already hurting economy. For another, the leadership at Tesla is extremely lacking. While the idea that the firm is based on is awesome, there have been many problems with corruption and inefficient management at the company, as highlighted by several financial magazines.
ytkliu
ripfire
Posted 4:35 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: So by investing $25billion on the big 3 major car companies, you think sales will go up?
ripfire
Rabid Penguin
Posted 4:34 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: But if we hold a special session of Congress to kick Michigan out of the Union then those jobless aren't our problem. Give Michigan to Canada.
It's like our money is just sitting their burning a whole in the government's pocket. Business have failed in the past. Large business have failed in the past. I just think this is ridiculous.
I think people are panicking way to much and not thinking clearly.
Idea: Everyone gets one government issued jacket, sleeping bag, and pup tent, and ramen noodles and bottled water for life. And any companies that are not involved in the making of any of those products we just let fail.
Rabid Penguin
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 4:31 AM 19/11/08
@Rabid Penguin: We should put a giant wall around Michigan first. THEN let it die.
RacecarBoobTat
OrtonMessene
Posted 4:29 AM 19/11/08
Brian, i know you'r excited, and thanks for the awesom review, but please proof before publishing. "The rates to 60 are rated at 3.9 seconds" "other than the car's does not oversteer easily" ?
OrtonMessene
Segador
Posted 4:29 AM 19/11/08
What? Brian can't afford this?
Segador
thefutureisnow
Posted 4:24 AM 19/11/08
Brian, you are one lucky man.
thefutureisnow
Lite
Posted 4:22 AM 19/11/08
@Rabid Penguin: Yeah, but there is some good medical tech and electronics tech (Solar cell shingles) coming out of that area. Plus, then we wouldn't have Da Yoopers to sing us songs about the 2nd Week a Deer Camp anymore...
There are cultural reasons to allow them to survive. Detroit is damn near a ghost land at this point last I heard.
Sometimes unions do good, but I think in many cases they really have outlived their usefulness. This is one of them. Unfortunately, it's do we loan them $25 billion, or let them fail and have them dump $100 billion in pension funding on us. =|
Lite
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 4:20 AM 19/11/08
The government hates these cars because suddenly they have no revenue from gasoline taxes to pay for roads, etc.
RacecarBoobTat
Lite
Posted 4:19 AM 19/11/08
@Gann: Well, rather than the typical faux cherry flavored, we'd have NY Pizza flavored. Chicago Deep Dish flavored. Hoegaarden flavored. Steak flavored. Oh and Guinness flavored. We would also branch out into taping dollar bills together into a roll for wiping one's ass with. We'll sell them at a 30% premium. A roll of 100 1's would cost you $130. If that is successful we'll experiment with rolls of 100's as a test market in Beverly Hills and Wallstreet.
Lite
Rabid Penguin
Posted 4:15 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: These bailouts are absurd. Maybe we should just get rid of unions and let Michigan die.
Rabid Penguin
Lite
Posted 4:14 AM 19/11/08
@cardboredbox: Apparently you missed the part where Ford isn't far behind GM. Or that even Toyota's sales have dropped by 40%?
Most of GM's woes are because of the negotiated contract rates of the unions, and because of their huge overhead that the pension plan causes them. Poor forethought and negotiation. Last I knew it costs them over $1000 per car in pension wages. When you figure that most of their cars would increase in reliability with an extra $400 spent improving the quality of parts. That's a big deal...
Sure, their quality is shit, but it's their union contracts that are killing them. Why do you think they're retiring so many union workers earlier? That's where a lot of their cash burn-through is. This is their attempt to not just dump their pension fund on the taxpayer at a cost of $100 billion.
Lite
hiimcliff
Posted 5:30 AM 19/11/08
I always loved the tesla. If the price was $50,000 and had the same kind of screen system as the aptera i'd be all over it. The interior looks ugly as hell and i'm scared about this review regarding the brakes.
hiimcliff
TBM-Fan
Posted 5:21 AM 19/11/08
Without one you can't get the other but still i am jealous
TBM-Fan
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 5:18 AM 19/11/08
@Gann: They don't actually erase well at all. They're just classified as erasers to get around FDA standards.
RacecarBoobTat
CSUSam
Posted 5:17 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: You all do realize that Tesla recently laid off a bunch of employees, and their everyday electric car development has been pushed back for a long time, when they were saying just earlier this year they hoped to have it out in 2010, right? It doesn't make sense to give them that much money, because they are failing just as bad as the big US auto companies, it is just not as obvious because of their size.
CSUSam
CarrerCrytharis
Posted 5:09 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: Mmm, Hoegaarden...
CarrerCrytharis
P3nnst8r
Posted 5:09 AM 19/11/08
That car fits u, BLam. Like a glove.
P3nnst8r
zanella
Posted 5:09 AM 19/11/08
Building on the design and electric drive tech from Tesla, hire a significant portion of the workfrorce and supply chain from the big 3, apply the manufacturing process and cost controls from Honda and Toyota, and build a nice shiny manufacturing plant in Nevada powered by solar and wind power.
Then start chrning these babies out here in the USA and export them all over the world.
Tesla is making a 120k sports car now, but with volume and scale, could bring the cost per unit WAY down.
zanella
ChampMan
Posted 4:58 AM 19/11/08
@TonyRockyHorror: FYI, Tesla has already applied for a loan.
ChampMan
Con Seannery
Posted 5:59 AM 19/11/08
@Optimus-Prime: Would you rather alkaline? "Okay kids, this weekend, we're loading AAA batteries into daddy's Tesla! Honey, where'd you put the forklift?"
Con Seannery
Con Seannery
Posted 5:56 AM 19/11/08
@OrtonMessene: OrtonMessene, I know you want to point out the flaws first, but please proofread before commenting. "you'r excited", "please proof", "awesom review"?
Con Seannery
Lite
Posted 5:56 AM 19/11/08
@Con Seannery: Eh, the markup in SUVs was much higher. On lower end cars they tended to lose money. However, yes they make fugly, low quality cars, with low gas mileage. I think I stated that already.
Lite
Con Seannery
Posted 5:54 AM 19/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: Playing card in the hubcap?
Con Seannery
stryder100
Posted 5:54 AM 19/11/08
Me so want.
stryder100
Con Seannery
Posted 5:52 AM 19/11/08
@Jeb_Hoge: Maybe he should sell it to Toyota or someone that's looking to put an electric car to market.
Con Seannery
Con Seannery
Posted 5:50 AM 19/11/08
@elgringoguapo: Okay, let's have 1,000,000+ people out of jobs, more than likely looking at a real number of around 1.5-2 million, let's take that purchasing power out of the market, let's screw the investors, let's let these huge companies die and send the shock waves though a wounded economy. Great idea.
Con Seannery
Lite
Posted 5:48 AM 19/11/08
@reefer: Currently a Subaru. Previously I owned a Grand Am. Before that, a Grand Am, before that an Escort. My wife owned a Sunfire. My mother has owned 3 Grand Prix in a row. My father has owned a Ford van, and two Chevy Blazers in a row. My sister just purchased a G6.
My last Grand AM, my (ex) wife's Sunfire, my mother's past 2 Grand Prix, and my father's first blazer were all the biggest pieces of shit cars we've ever owned. What car requires 37 tail light bulbs in 9 years of ownership? My Grand Am.
Ford has been getting big news out of the high initial reliability and build quality ratings of their latest generation vehicles (Ford Fusion, 500/Taurus, Edge... and derivative vehicles as many of these are based on platforms developed for Volvo...) GM's quality ratings, while getting better, are still lagging behind Ford's. And Ford is not completely on-par w/ Honda/Toyota at this time.
Before purchasing my Subaru I test drove a Ford Fusion, that I really liked. I also drove a G6, a Grand Prix, and few other domestics & imports. The ONLY reason I even considered GM was because they'd tweaked their warranty.
In the end the Subaru left me with a smile on my face after driving it. Something it has done every day since I purchased it. Oh, and isn't that a Lexus in your photo?
As much as I'd LOVE to just let companies like GM go under because they fucked up, it would simply hurt too many people to not give them the chance to unfuck themselves.
Lite
Con Seannery
Posted 5:45 AM 19/11/08
@Curves: Maybe Gawker will get him one when he retires.
Con Seannery
aphxtwn
Posted 5:45 AM 19/11/08
i wonder if they ever fixed the issue with the battery coolant pump:
[teslafounders.wordpress.com]
aphxtwn
Optimus-Prime
Posted 5:45 AM 19/11/08
What about battery degredation of Lithium Ion. I remember the giz explains that some lithium batteries were less susepctable, which is Tesla using. I know laptop lithium batteries degrade about 20% annually.
Optimus-Prime
Slack
Posted 5:40 AM 19/11/08
"The key here is that the car doesn't have to take the time to switch gears and electric motors deliver 100% of their torque at start."
More like 300% torque available at start, and for short periods there-after. A trick no gas engine can pull off. Overloading an electric motor to account for transients (accel / decel) allows one to use a smaller rated motor.
Slack
Con Seannery
Posted 5:36 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: The reason they're failing is that they make cars with no quality, that look fugly, guzzle gas, and push their huge trucks. The writing had been on the walls for years that gas prices were about to shoot through the roof, and they continued to invest in SUVs and trucks, and that's just fucking retarded.
Con Seannery
dahveed
Posted 6:16 AM 19/11/08
Why is it so hard to get a test drive? 10 minutes and must be followed by a chase car. Is that because its gonna break down, or do they don't like journalists? It sounds like a neat car, but honestly a longer term test drive shouldn't stress anyone.
The lack of local dealers for servicing is a problem. Why didn't they make the car more like an electric Lotus and then Lotus dealers would be able to service them.
They look like they have bad timing. Just as the economy tanks and fuel prices are $1.75 a gallon.
dahveed
feckineejit
Posted 7:03 AM 19/11/08
Make an affordable electric car and people will buy it.
feckineejit
trailingedge
Posted 7:14 AM 19/11/08
Brian! you lucky bastard!
trailingedge
misterwho
Posted 8:06 AM 19/11/08
Great review. I will start saving so that in 2015 I can buy it brand-used.
misterwho
auslander
Posted 8:37 AM 19/11/08
@CarrerCrytharis: My favorite of the White Ales.
auslander
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 8:36 AM 19/11/08
@dahveed: The dealerships only give them a 10-minute charge to save on their electric bills.
RacecarBoobTat
ab3
Posted 9:11 AM 19/11/08
For a sports car that costs over $100k the interior looks pretty cheap and generic
ab3
skyline6
Posted 9:20 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: screw you... if they dont bail out GM American cars are screwed (others like chrysler will fall shortly) and pretty soon we will all be driving imported stuff... and of coarse the only american car left will be the Tesla and by then toyota will come up with something better...
skyline6
dumanue
Posted 9:51 AM 19/11/08
@skyline6: well, allow me to retort, screw you... american cars have been screwed for years, and american consumers for many more years.
And nothing wrong with driving imported cars if your local companies can't make decent cars...
The whole problem with bailing the car companies out is that if they go down ALOT of people will lose their jobs, but its the car companies fault, not the tax payers fault, and they are just being asses about restructuring, they would rather get some bailout money to keep the top executives with enough salary while the little people who work in the factories and the likes will lose their jobs one way or another...
I prefer for them to go belly up, chapter 11 and restructure and stop fucking whining for money they don't deserve.
dumanue
teexcue
Posted 9:48 AM 19/11/08
@ralfhutter: I agree. Yes, GM employs lots of peope, and I'm not saying don't give them any funding for a bailout, but give Tesla the funding it needs to complete their model S sedan, just like they did with the Chevy Volt. If they could get that money, then maybe the retail price of the car could drop to $50K-$60K territory; making it a real alternative to BMWs, Mercedes, etc. Get these cars mainstream and they will become more affordable!
teexcue
StealthNinja
Posted 10:22 AM 19/11/08
and an automatic spoiler like Porshe's 911 Turbo.
StealthNinja
StealthNinja
Posted 10:21 AM 19/11/08
Hey, not bad; all it needs is an automatic hard top convertible roof like the New Volvo system and Audi's coup etc...
StealthNinja
devilonsteroids
Posted 10:10 AM 19/11/08
so......it looks a little crowded in the cockpit. Like prop-airplane crowded.
devilonsteroids
skierpage
Posted 10:46 AM 19/11/08
Great review.
Regarding the bailout, everyone's talking past each other and the companies, politicians, and others supporting a bailout are being dishonest.
GM/Ford/Chrysler have to SHRINK to reflect their diminished market share. So 100,000s are going to lose their jobs no matter what.
Also to prosper GM/Ford/Chrysler have to pay workers less and somehow get out from huge health care and retiree costs.
GM/Ford/Chrysler should be honestly talking about shutting plants, terminating car lines (die Buick/Pontiac/Mercury), huge layoffs, paying the remaining workers less, and cutting benefits. Just like airlines cut routes and pay less when in bankruptcy. Since they're not, their stock is worthless.
Few supporting a bailout want to hear this kind of talk ("give us money so we can painfully downsize and break union contracts"), but it's the truth.
I support a bailout (a million jobs lost is worse than 250,000), but only when and if the talk turns honest. Otherwise, let bankruptcy happen and then we'll get honest plans for smaller domestic auto makers.
skierpage
Mr.Wilson
Posted 10:41 AM 19/11/08
When you describe the sound of the car as "turbine-like", it makes me wish it sounded like this:
+ Watch video
Mr.Wilson
bwilliams18
Posted 11:06 AM 19/11/08
I now officially hate you my moms is coming Early Febuary
bwilliams18
Mandatory_Field
Posted 10:59 AM 19/11/08
Too bad you couldn't have used an accelerometer-based device (or even something like Dynolicious on your iPhone) to get some of those missing numbers.
Mandatory_Field
MaaseyRacer
Posted 11:21 AM 19/11/08
Good looking car, the Rims are a direct copy of the 2001 Integra GSR rims.
MaaseyRacer
madog
Posted 11:51 AM 19/11/08
@Lite: 1,000,000 people employed down the supply chain, or 6,720,000,000 people's lives? It's a tough choice, but some must suffer so that the rest may live!
madog
madog
Posted 12:01 PM 19/11/08
@skyline6: If the general consensus is that import > domestic vehicles, then what's so bad about that? If we can't make and deliver better vehicles than companies who spend the extra money shipping them overseas then we've got other problems that need to be looked at other than just giving domestic manufacturers more money.
madog
laroi
Posted 12:33 PM 19/11/08
I'm Jack's raging jealousy! some people have the coolest jobs!
laroi
banmojo
Posted 1:09 PM 19/11/08
I would buy this for 40k. Right now. If we allow the big automakers to fall, they will get cut up into small bits and sold off to better run companies. Those 1 mill working people WILL mostly get jobs working for new companies, and we could take the bailout money, btw, and CREATE a new company/jobs for 'em all, making CHEAPER TESLA LIKE CARS FFS.
banmojo
sarwatmj
Posted 2:48 PM 19/11/08
No other company achieved what Tesla was able to.. i really hope it gets support to keep doing the great work!
sarwatmj
elgringoguapo
Posted 6:29 PM 19/11/08
@Con Seannery:
Supply and demand. These companies did not trick you into buying a Hummer. That was your own greed.
Its supply and demand. GM is out of touch with what the future demands. Toyota and Honda saw it. Hence they keep the reward.
You want to bail-out all the type-writer companies too? You didn't innovate either.
elgringoguapo
gothamdarkknight
Posted 6:26 PM 19/11/08
@elgringoguapo:
why dont we just skip electric cars and use fusion powered cars?
The fact of the matter is that gasoline powered cars were and still are the most efficient and effective cars.
I can only name a couple times in history that the oil prices went finicy.
gothamdarkknight
gothamdarkknight
Posted 6:23 PM 19/11/08
Imagine all the car crashes from shitty drivers driving electric cars that make no noise.
gothamdarkknight
pevans34
Posted 3:57 AM 20/11/08
@elgringoguapo:
how many people actually buy hummers?
pevans34
AsphaltAbuse
Posted 3:24 PM 19/11/08
@jdbaile3: The Tesla still weighs in at 2700 lbs because of the batteries. The 0-60 is because of the power efficiency (or lack thereof in gas engines). "Tesla Roadster is unique as a performance oriented electric car and deserves heaps of praise for what it is and how it feels to drive despite its efficiency from battery to wheels of 80-90%. Most gas engines sit at about 20%" That's why the Mazdaspeed 3 is so much slower 0-60.
AsphaltAbuse
Razza
Posted 10:50 AM 19/11/08
@robot-shmobot: But has he driven a nissan skyline?
Razza
PwnageII
Posted 8:37 AM 19/11/08
@Spotz:
Yeah dude! Tesla is going nowhere making only 100K+ cars, they need to make some cars UNDER 100k!
PwnageII
Jack_Mehoff
Posted 5:20 AM 19/11/08
Nice writeup BL. I work about 5 minutes from the Menlo Park showroom, so I've seen them in person. They are beautiful cars... The pictures don't really do them justice.
Jack_Mehoff
FideltyPeitho
Posted 3:56 AM 19/11/08
I live in Menlo Park near one of the dealerships. This weekend my girlfriend and I saw a blue Tesla cruising around. While we love the concept and how it looks in print, we thought it was cheap and ugly looking in person. Just doesn't look that great on the road. Beyond looks, it's a fabulous car.
FideltyPeitho
nomayo
Posted 7:44 AM 20/11/08
@Lite: Actually, that would cause roughly a 0.33% jump. Either way, I'm not sure that my job, skilled or unskilled, should have to subsidize their job. I don't care if 99% of people are losing their jobs. It's not my fault and I shouldn't be penalized because these companies (with all of their money, talent, lawyers, tax advantages, lobbyists, etc.) can't figure out how to make money.
Maybe if these lazy union workers spent more time encouraging management to be efficient and less evil instead of encouraging management to pay them more for less work, they wouldn't be facing this mess. And maybe if the shareholders told the company to reinvest in itself and made the hard gamble instead of taking the easy buck, they wouldn't lose their asses either. The whole thing boils down to decades of apathy and greed on the part of these companies and their shareholders and employees. Now it's the people's turn to be greedy and apathetic toward their plight.
I'm HOPING they go bankrupt. It's the only thing that can fix the problem.
nomayo
nomayo
Posted 7:50 AM 20/11/08
@ytkliu: Shockwaves of reality. The harsh pain of learning you're overpaid and underproductive and working toward unrealistic goals would be tough for anyone to bear. I'd rather do it now, for free, than in a few more years after they waste and steal another $25B, thank you very much.
nomayo
nomayo
Posted 7:48 AM 20/11/08
@ripfire: Yeah. We're going to take $25 billion worth of value and equity out of the money already out there (that's what we do... print money like counterfeiters) and we're going to expect people to take that now more-worthless cash out to buy a new car...
nomayo
nomayo
Posted 8:19 AM 20/11/08
@teexcue: Right. Because it makes sense that we should all subsidize the vehicles that like 1% of the population will choose to drive.
What kind of sadistic emotional torture must the parents of these socialist assholes be guilty of? How does someone actually justify something like this as FAIR????
nomayo
BuckCabelas
Posted 5:03 PM 21/11/08
@ralfhutter: You know who should bail out GM?... the OIL COMPANIES!
Exxon Mobil, the leading U.S. oil company, said its 2008 third-quarter net profit was $14.83 billion - that's BILLION! 6 months of just one oil companies PROFIT would be greater then any government bailout. It's responsible, and in their best interest.
Give the governments cash to new automotive startups like Tesla Motors to allow for NEW jobs in a NEW automotive industry.
BuckCabelas