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Prof. Dealzmodo: Why You Should Buy a Refurbished Laptop
Posted by Sean Fallon at 6:00 AM on November 5, 2008
Yes, there is a stigma associated with buying refurbished laptops. I understand it to a degree—I mean, there is nothing like liberating a fresh, shiny gadget from its plastic packaging prison. What I don't understand is how this stigma exists in a society where buying a used car is so widely accepted. As many others have pointed out, the process of buying a refurb and a used car are actually very similar—except the financial risk we take on with the latter is generally much, much higher. So why are we so hung up on this? We shouldn't be—and here is why.
The Facts:
Fact #1: The economy is busted right now. One of the sticking points people have with refurbished laptops is that they may not be getting top-of-the-line performance and features. While this is usually true, it is important to seriously analyse your computing needs and determine what you really need vs. what you really want. For example, in a recent Question of the Day, I asked Giz readers whether they really need a $US1000 laptop. Out of nearly 9000 votes, 42% responded "No", 21% responded "Yes, but only because I like to have the best of everything", and 19% responded "Yes, but only because I am unwilling to sacrifice on the OS." Basically, this implies that many of us are buying more laptop than we really need.
Fact #2: The term "used" takes on a slightly different meaning when you are talking about refurbished laptops. Analysis of outlet stores and other refurb dealers reveals that "refurbished" laptops that have been used are most likely returns that have been in circulation 30 days or less. When the laptops are returned, they undergo a thorough inspection and should be good as new. They could also be demos or products with slight defects that are repaired during the inspection. Refurb outlets also sometimes offer discounts on overstocked items. In this case, the laptops have never been used at all.
Fact #3: Most reputable retailers will offer a return policy and some sort of 1-year warranty for their refurbished laptop—which should help bring you peace of mind. For the extremely cautious, there is usually a warranty extension option that, if purchased, will still put your total price tag well under what it would cost to buy new. (And let's not forget that people buying new laptops are also encouraged to opt for the pricey extended warranty, so the refurb, with protection, remains a much better deal.)
Where to Look:
First and foremost, you need to know where to look. Deals on eBay, Craigslist or some obscure retailer may seem hot, but you and I both know that laptops purchased from these outlets are most likely "used" in the strictest sense of the word. Stick with the laptop manufacturer themselves or authorised refurbishers. Big-box stores offer the advantage of a hands-on inspection—but make sure to search around first to ensure that you are getting a good price. And, as always, make sure it is backed by a decent warranty and return policy.
A Few of Your Best Options:
Apple: In the QOTD mentioned earlier 19% were unwilling to buy a sub-$US1000 laptop because of the OS. Let's face it—we are talking about OS X here. Okay, scoring a relatively new MacBook for under $US1000 is a tall order, but right now there are refurbished last-gen 2.0GHz, 2.1GHz, 2.2 GHz and 2.4GHz MacBooks selling for $US799, $849, $999, and $US1049 respectively. Performance-wise, these laptops are comparable to their new counterparts, so why pay $US1299 when you can pay $US799 or $US849? Is it really worth all that extra cash for the bump up in RAM and graphics? For most non-gaming non-video-editing users, the need for unibody construction and a glass multi-touch trackpad are luxuries, no matter how nice. Keep in mind that all Apple reburbs include a 1-year warranty that protects against defects in materials and workmanship under normal use.
Dell: One of the good things about Dell is that they allow the customer to select between different kinds of refurbished inventory:
•Certified Refurbished: Laptops that have been returned to Dell, put through the production process, and then again retested to ensure they meet all original factory specifications (may have cosmetic damages).
•Previously Ordered New: Laptops that were shipped out to a customer who opened the box, but decided to return the system without ever turning it on. All of these computers have undergone testing and repackaging by the Dell Outlet. Previously Ordered New systems do not have any cosmetic damages.
•Scratch and Dent: Laptops with considerable cosmetic blemishes that do not affect performance. Scratch and Dent computers will not have scratches or pits on the screen, missing or illegible letters on the keyboard, or damage to the touchpad or palmrest. These PCs have also undergone a rebuilding and testing process.
Obviously, this system allows you to choose the level of prior usage that you are willing to live with, which also gives you greater budgetary flexibility. For example: A base model Dell XPS M150 will run you about $US949. You can get a "Certified Refurb" with a faster processor and more RAM for as little as $US809. I also saw a "Scratch and Dent" version with a faster processor and more RAM for $US759. All Dell refurbs come with a 1-3 year limited hardware warranty. Just make sure you check through all of the inventory for your selection to find the best deal.
Lenovo: Like Dell, Lenovo offers three choices with regard to outlet laptops:
•New: A cancelled order that never shipped.
•Redistributed: The laptop was shipped and returned unopened. It was never used by the customer. All products are tested and inspected.
•Refurbished: The laptop was returned with the factory seal broken. It may or may not have been used by the customer. All products are tested and inspected.
The Lenovo Outlet offers plenty of big sales and deep discounts on their ThinkPad laptops, so at any one time you should be able to find something that suits your needs at an affordable price. For example: a base model untouched X61s ultraportable will run you about $US1029 (on sale from $US1540). I found a "New" X61s with twice the battery capacity, more processing speed and memory for about $936. I also found a "Refurbished" version with similar specs for only $US832. All outlet models come with a limited warranty.
So, if you are working on a budget I hope this has convinced you that A) you should focus on a laptop that is suited to your needs and B) if you know where to look and what to look for, buying a refurbished laptop is a smart option.
Finally, don't let horror stories deter you from investigating refurbs. Problems happen, and people can be vocal about those problems, but if you are dealing with reputable retailers, the risk is slim. If you are still worried consider this: In another recent Question of the Day, I asked readers point-blank whether or not they would purchase (or have purchased) a refurbished laptop. The results revealed that 32% of the respondents actually bought a refurb, and less than 7% had had a bad experience. Those are some good, if non-scientific, odds.
Prof. Dealzmodo is a new regular section dedicated to helping budget-minded consumers learn how to shop smarter and get the best deals on their favourite gadgets.

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loslosbaby
Posted 8:31 AM 5/11/08
Hey, I got this MacBook-Black for a savings enough to offset the time it takes me to read this site! Yeah baby!
Two MacBooks and one PB-17, all still running. I bought the PB-17 from the Apple store as "refreshed" (store demo) for 2139$, and sold it 2.5 years later for 1050$ on EBay! Try that with a generic plastic-top.
Next: MBP-17 refurb, comin' my way!
I'm no fanboy, just like slick gear that works.
loslosbaby
awdark
Posted 8:28 AM 5/11/08
We fear buying used because we know how we treat our computers. Anyone who buys my laptop won't get any body damage but a toasted battery and smooth keyboard.
I bought a few when budget was tight and they are the best kick around laptops ever. Of course paranoia has me picking out keyboard hairs and sanitiIng every key surface and groove
awdark
Lite
Posted 8:28 AM 5/11/08
@SmartyPantsDance.: It's nice... It's really, really nice.
Lite
Lite
Posted 8:27 AM 5/11/08
@SaudaminiTydeus: Apparently you haven't had nearly enough road head.
Lite
PollockRoc
Posted 8:26 AM 5/11/08
@PollockRoc: Apparently, I also c'ant spell ain't correctly.
PollockRoc
Ikat
Posted 8:26 AM 5/11/08
I bought a refurbished Compaq years ago and it was perfect. Who cared if the color of the keyboard didn't match the CPU? I talked a friend into buying a Dell laptop and she did havAe a problem - but they fixed it and it has been fine for years. And then there was my refub iPhod, which actually worked better than a new one I'd bought previously. I DID buy a new iMac, but that was when they came out with the Intel Duo Core. So, yes, buy refurb unless you're rich, a true power user - or a prince/ess who gets only the best....
Ikat
SmartyPantsDance.
Posted 8:25 AM 5/11/08
I am planning on buying one also :D
That white MacBook looks 100% sexier than the new one (Even though I have never seen the new one in the first person...yet)
SmartyPantsDance.
roadworm
Posted 8:23 AM 5/11/08
I got a terrific deal on a refurbished laptop, saved probably $200 from buying the exact thing as "new". Refurbished does not scare me at all. Most of them were probably customer returns for no particular reason. The others that had an actual problem may have went under a more thorough inspection later than in their mass produced factory where the new ones come out of. Only reason I'd say to be wary of refurbished is perhaps the battery if its a few months old might not hold a full charge but for the amount I saved I could buy multiple replacements.
roadworm
Lite
Posted 8:20 AM 5/11/08
Some people have lower computing needs than others. I like that my laptop is both portable in weight, has decent battery life, and can still play games fairly decently.
Lite
PollockRoc
Posted 8:20 AM 5/11/08
I bought a brand new Macbook the week they came out. Here's the thing though, I only buy a new computer every 4-5 years, so I want to make sure I have the newest technology (ie: multi-touch trackpad) available. So that, in a year or two, I'm not moaning about how out of date my laptop is and start pining for a new one.
I think I may be in the minority though, I see a lot of people with year/year and a half old laptops who just can't wait to upgrade. I a'int got the funds for that, son.
PollockRoc
Lite
Posted 8:19 AM 5/11/08
@theblackdog: Sorry, I still need a DVD drive.
Lite
SaudaminiTydeus
Posted 8:18 AM 5/11/08
I'll give you the A-numbah-one reason right here why there's more stigma on buying a 'used' laptop. What are the odds that someone has just whacked off then had their hands all over that laptop of theirs? I'd say that's about 2000% percent more likely than someone rubbing one out immediately before touching their steering wheel.
SaudaminiTydeus
TonyRockyHorror
Posted 8:18 AM 5/11/08
I bought a refurbed 1.83 GHz MacBook Pro in June of 2006, and it's still going strong and being awesome. My wife got a refurbed white 1.83 GHz MacBook in January of 2007, which is also going strong. We've had zero problems with them and got really good deals on them both.
I don't think we'll ever buy a brand new machine again, until/unless Apple ever puts out a tablet.
TonyRockyHorror
Jamez
Posted 8:16 AM 5/11/08
Refurbished? Heck yeah! I bought my Lenovo T60 for $600 back when the same model new costed $1300. I'd say refurbished, or even used, is fine, so long as you know what you're doing.
Jamez
CooperDToo
Posted 8:16 AM 5/11/08
I've had a refub iBook and Macbook Pro, they looked and worked as if they were brand new, never a problem. I would not hesitate to buy a refurb. Though I did buy my new Macbook new...cuz I didn't want to wait for a refurb this time.
CooperDToo
tande04
Posted 8:14 AM 5/11/08
The best logic I ever heard for buying refurbed was pretty simple. You know its going to work.
Any consumer product you buy there is a chance its going to come out of the box and its not going to work even with quality control. All the shit that can go wrong with electronics just complicates that more. With refurb you had someone look the product over, make sure that it works and fix it if it didn't.
tande04
getz76
Posted 8:10 AM 5/11/08
Dell's refurbished program has treated me well multiple times.
getz76
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 8:09 AM 5/11/08
Refurbs also tend to go through an additional round of inspections. There is a slight difference between refurb and remanufactured.
Remanufactured tends to mean that there was something defective and the problem part(s) were swapped out with brand new parts. Refurb tends to just be a customer return.
I have no problem with refurb and scratch-and-dent. A few years back, I got a $1000 Sony receiver for $400 as a scratch-and-dent. The customer had returned it with the complaint "there was a scratch on the bottom". In other words, buyer's remorse. I saved a bundle and enjoy 7:1 sound.
OMG! Ponies!
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 8:09 AM 5/11/08
I always check out the refurb aisle on Apple's website to see what kind of deals they're offering, but this time around I'll just be taking advantage of my ACD discount, which takes a considerable amount off of the price of a new Macbook Pro.
But overall it's sweet. You basically get what is essentially a brand-spanking new computer in a slightly less glamorous box. My uncle recently bought a Mac Pro refurbished, and he paid a few hundred less for a machine that was indistinguishable from the one in the regular black MP packaging, with the same warranty. I don't check other refurbs from other manufacturers however, so I'm not too in tune with how the arrangement is for them, but if they're direct from the company, they should be every bit as worth it.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
theblackdog
Posted 8:03 AM 5/11/08
Basically, this implies that many of us are buying more laptop than we really need.
Hard to do that when you buy a netbook because you realize that's all you need ;-)
theblackdog
tande04
Posted 8:55 AM 5/11/08
@utube2007: Who cares? Thats why they make disinfectant.
Hell, I've seen people use that to knock the price down even more. We're not necessarly talking refurbished here as much as just open box or something similar but you can almost always get an extra 10% off just because you're going to have to clean it.
tande04
daftrok
Posted 8:52 AM 5/11/08
@Lite:
RANDOM FACT 1273: Owned DVDs can be ripped onto a USB flash drive and you can rent DVDs online and watch them online.
daftrok
Lite
Posted 8:51 AM 5/11/08
@Earthslide: I love my glossy screen.
Lite
MBPro
Posted 8:48 AM 5/11/08
You forgot to mention that Apple refurb section has all the previous generation laptops too! They're all new. Good pricing. The 15.4'' 2.5ghz MATTE option is awesome.
MBPro
AJ_Syrinx
Posted 8:47 AM 5/11/08
@tande04: Took the words out of my mouth. I bought a new laptop in late September that may or may not have a power problem. Right now it appears to be fine, but had it gone through the same testing process for refurb I'm willing to bet it would never have shipped to the retailer as new/unopened.
AJ_Syrinx
Lite
Posted 8:44 AM 5/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: Yeah, basically since I made the switch from having a separate gaming-rig PC the build quality of a laptop is one of the first things I check when evaluating one. My MBP is nice, but I don't like the "give" in the wrist rest area, which tends to be even worse in other laptops I've used made of plastic. The one-piece models seem to take care of that problem outright.
Lite
utube2007
Posted 8:44 AM 5/11/08
"When the laptops are returned, they undergo a thorough inspection and should be good as new."
Does that include cleaning; I have seen some dirty ass refushbished products over the years.
One time we were in one of the labs at college and decided to put a bunch of things under the microscope and eventually got to a charger my friend brought earlier that morning which was refurbished and it had some wierd ass s**t on it if you looked at it under a microscope too bad we werent biology majors and didnt feel like looking for any needless to say that charger went straight back where it came from.
utube2007
Earthslide
Posted 8:43 AM 5/11/08
The refurbished MacBook Pros with the GLOSSY screens are selling like hotcakes. I leave work, get home, no more :( I hope they update the site with more. I thought everyone hated the Gloss?
Earthslide
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 8:39 AM 5/11/08
@SmartyPantsDance.: What ^that guy said. Lovely little doodads they are, and have way better build quality than the polycarbonate 'books.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
deadsylent
Posted 8:37 AM 5/11/08
@SaudaminiTydeus:
I was just thinking of this. And to this day, I hate sitting in the back seat of old mustang because I KNOW someone boned back there.
deadsylent
Lite
Posted 8:35 AM 5/11/08
Many times the only thing wrong w/ a refurb item is that it had a bad/cracked/cold solder joint.
Lite
Lite
Posted 8:35 AM 5/11/08
Yeah, I don't worry about used stuff. I can disinfect/spray it down if I feel I'm in danger of some sort of disease/bodily fluid I don't like. What I worry about is how poorly many people treat their own belongings, let alone something they don't plan on keeping.
I'd buy a scratch and dent PC that I'm going to shove under a desk somewhere. I'm not sure I'd buy a scratch and dent laptop if I didn't know exactly what was scratched/dented/cracked and where. Wouldn't want a screen hinge to snap off or something.
Lite
discounteggroll
Posted 8:34 AM 5/11/08
I buy and advocate refurbs all the time. However, there are certain companies [cough...sandisk] that slap a giant REFURBISHED badge on the product for all the world to see.
my latest refurb goose egg was for an Onkyo S3100 home theater system for $108 shipped (from onkyo) when they retail for $299+ new. I couldn't even tell it was a refurb (shipped in onkyo box, came with all cables, remote, etc and didn't even look like it was touched by human hands.
All in all, eggrolls are the only thing I will buy new (but obviously not at MSRP)
discounteggroll
xsecretfiles2
Posted 8:31 AM 5/11/08
The only thing that I would get from craigslist if I were you is sex, much safer
xsecretfiles2
DisposableInterloper
Posted 9:03 AM 5/11/08
@daftrok:
DVDs aren't just for movies.
DisposableInterloper
DeadWriter
Posted 8:59 AM 5/11/08
I have never had a problem with Dell's or Apple's refurbished computers or screens.
DeadWriter
Spero
Posted 9:35 AM 5/11/08
I just bought the floor model of a 2.1 MacBook at a local Apple reseller a few weeks ago with 6 months left on the AppleCare for the unheard-of price of $799. It got a complete checkup, a fresh install of Leopard and came with the original box and all the packaging/documents/accessories. I had to take a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser to get rid of some of the showroom fingerprint smudges when I got home, but other than that it's been working 100% perfectly since I got it. There isn't even any noticeable wear on the battery life since it spent its existence so far plugged in at the store. DEFINITELY the best way to go, if you can find a deal like it.
Spero
RainyDayInterns
Posted 9:35 AM 5/11/08
We buy used Apple laptops all the time. Actually, come to think of it, we have NEVER purchased a new Apple laptop :-)
The best deal was definitely a Pismo unit which we used for years. We finally had to sell it because OSX 10.5 could not be loaded on it. We sold it and for the same amount of money we bought it for and purchased a used 12" PowerBook. Our only regret is the 12" PowerBook is based on the Motorola CPU. We suspect the support for that chip is not long for this world.
One of these days, we may actually buy a new Apple laptop. However, it is hard to beat paying $300 for a piece of well designed, even if it is a bit old, piece of Apple gear.
RainyDayInterns
jumpo64
Posted 9:34 AM 5/11/08
I think the difference between used cars and used laptops are that the general everyday person (say age 30-60) "thinks" they understand a car for the most part. However that same group (30-60) admittedly knows little about computers, as they did not grow up with them like the younger generation. As both a car guy and a techie, I can tell you that people usually know nothing about both.
jumpo64
abadomaX
Posted 9:33 AM 5/11/08
@abadomaX: i am blind, ignore me
abadomaX
Lite
Posted 9:32 AM 5/11/08
@daftrok: So, I'm supposed to take an hour or two per disc to rip each DVD I own (Keep in mind I own well over 600 DVDs)from one lossy format (MPEG2) into another lossy format (mpeg4, or whatever codec I choose) just so I can then copy them to a thumb drive? Where as I can take my DVD's out of their cases, and slip them into a travel sleeve that I own in about an hour.
Streamed movies are fine when you have a good connection, but when you're on the road at a hotel w/ a Satellite based (DirecWay, etc) internet connection that is shared not so great. Not to mention those times I spend in a plane flying about, and typically do not have an internet connection available.
Not to mention that I receive data in DVD format often, which requires me to transfer it either to another medium first w/ a secondary machine, or...
I appreciate your attempt at snarkily trying to humble me with random trivial facts without you knowing about my specific situation.
Lite
abadomaX
Posted 9:27 AM 5/11/08
where on site are they?
abadomaX
Digitallysick
Posted 9:23 AM 5/11/08
It helps to lie at the apple store and go under education and say you to go to college for a discount
Digitallysick
LazyPanda
Posted 10:07 AM 5/11/08
I bought a refurb macbook pro about 1.5 years back. I had a friend at the apple store as well so I got a $2500 computer for right around $1900.
Great deal, and this thing is just as nice as any other pro from that generation. and with applecare I'm covered for another 1.5 years.
LazyPanda
Lite
Posted 10:04 AM 5/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: Yep. Several times. Twice for HD upgrades, and once to replace the DVD Rom drive... 23 screws, a lot of swearing, and a good deal of sweating.
I'm honestly convinced that my DVD drive died because it acts as a structural component of the wrist rests.
Lite
getgreg
Posted 10:01 AM 5/11/08
Another great aspect of refurbished computers is they ship fast because they're already built and warehoused in the US.
getgreg
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 10:01 AM 5/11/08
@benjello: It would be miraculous if the matte option is brought out for the next 17" pro
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 10:00 AM 5/11/08
@RainyDayInterns: Apple still issues some security updates for Tiger. All things considered, I think that Tiger is still a good solid OS to use to this day, and I'm sure Leopard would work on it fine so long as it's a clean install rather than an upgrade.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 9:56 AM 5/11/08
@Digitallysick: Unless you get people who ask for ID, which is often.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
nocar
Posted 9:55 AM 5/11/08
There are also deals at the Apple Stores but you have to ask. My current G5 tower was a window display unit so it was not even powered up. Saved several hundred.
nocar
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 9:53 AM 5/11/08
@Lite: Have you ever removed the key panel of the old MBP? This new book makes it look extremely flimsy when you check the components on their own.
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
benjello
Posted 9:51 AM 5/11/08
Previous generation MacBook Pro's are a great deal right now. Plus, the last of the Matte Screen Soldiers.
benjello
sublicon
Posted 9:46 AM 5/11/08
My laptop is a refurb. My view is that if there is anything wrong with it, it's covered and guaranteed the same way a new one is. I've had luck with mine, and I saved a good chunk of change. So THERE.
sublicon
FiveLiters
Posted 10:27 AM 5/11/08
@PollockRoc: I'm kind of with you...I bought my Lenovo IdeaPad new,as it was a clean-sheet design and had features that no other laptop had at the time. I liked the idea that the first one I bought was totally new. (that new laptop smell? lol) Also,I had always been told to buy the most you could afford,even if it went past what you needed,and I hit that target quite well(!) But I do think if I wanted a secondary one,I wouldn't hesitate to get a refurb.
FiveLiters
Bodie1550
Posted 10:21 AM 5/11/08
I love Apple refurbs. I currently using a PowerMac MDD that is almost 5 years old. Never any problems. I've upgraded it almost to the max and it runs Tiger very well. I'm looking at a MacBook Pro but I'm leery of the Nvidia GPU problem.
Bodie1550
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 10:17 AM 5/11/08
As long as you can deal with the knowledge that there was most likely manjuice on that keyboard and trackpad!!!
RacecarBoobTat
cy3
Posted 10:15 AM 5/11/08
I bought a refurbished laptop from Gateway about a year ago. It had Vista, so problems there, but they're pretty much fixed now.
It overheated and shut down though around the time the 60-day-warranty ended. I was lazy/busy/procrastinating and called them after the 60 days. They wanted half of what the laptop cost just to send it in. The problem has become worse since then, not even lasting 4 min of watching a YouTube vid without shutting down.
I'm still open to buying refurbished products, just nothing major like a computer(especially a laptop).
cy3
lulu321
Posted 10:14 AM 5/11/08
I love my refurbished macbook.
lulu321
CapitalC
Posted 10:43 AM 5/11/08
@OMG! Ponies!: Bingo! TWO inspections for refurbs! :)
CapitalC
aec007
Posted 10:33 AM 5/11/08
I bought Friday 26th from Dell a Refurbished Inspiron 518 (new model) with a Quad core Q6600 2.4 Ghz, 3G RAM, 7.1 Audio, 500 G SATA, and Flashcard reader with Vista Home Premium for $419.
Got it Friday 31st.
Not a scratch. Not even a spec of dust inside. All media included.
Blazing fast & nearly silent, the HD clicks are the only thing you can hear , but from 12" away only...
CPU alone is $200 in pricewatch. Add all other components and you cannot buy it for that much. In fact it would cost $649 in the same configuration new with the same 1 year warranty from their own site...
With the ATI R4670 HD with HDMI I bought for $76 at eWiz it'll make one sweet, waaaaaay overpowered HTPC.
Refurbished is WAY OK... bought so far 3 laptops and now a desktop that way.
aec007
P3nnst8r
Posted 10:33 AM 5/11/08
My financial life lives on Woot, so yes, I have bought refurbbed things before.
P3nnst8r
Mr-Mr
Posted 10:57 AM 5/11/08
I think it all boils down to where you buy it from. Apple seems to have a good reputation for taking care of their customers and their warranties. My experience in dealing with Best Buy, with repairs or honoring warranties, have not been positive. Others, even in my family, have had positive experience. So, if the manufacturer/seller has a good track of honoring their warranties, then I'd go along with the purchase.
Mr-Mr
FatTony925
Posted 10:55 AM 5/11/08
I bought a Dell XT Tablet decked out with top of the line specs last night for $949 out the door. Priced to almost $3,000 on dell.com. Dell also offered 20% off the $949. I can't even find something used on ebay for the same price. I am soooo happy.
FatTony925
znoop
Posted 11:39 AM 5/11/08
We cannot get such good deals on refurbished products in Europe.. But I still agree with the positive opinions left in your comments..
PS: Exactly one week ago, in Paris, I got my MacBook Pro MB134LL (2,5Ghz, 4Gb, 512Mb, 250Gb) brand new for 1000 Eur (1300USD). This is Europe, everything is possible, when you are lucky to find some romanian guys (who love ATMs and stolen credit cards) - I know, I know they're bastards... :)
znoop
FatTony925
Posted 11:36 AM 5/11/08
@FatTony925: I bought from the dell outlet store.
FatTony925
USB_Humping_Dog
Posted 12:40 PM 5/11/08
@SaudaminiTydeus: I never even considered that. You can always clean it before first-use, right?
USB_Humping_Dog
USB_Humping_Dog
Posted 12:37 PM 5/11/08
@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: I do that too, but for the HK online store (I'm based in the Philippines). Prices nearly match those in the US, and I have a good friend there who can bring my shiny things home.
USB_Humping_Dog
Aaron Stein
Posted 12:34 PM 5/11/08
i bought a fujitsu u810 refurb on ebay. of course it worked perfectly and i couldn't tell it from a new unit. plus, when i decided it was too small, i sold it back on ebay for $20 more than i had paid for it!
yay refurbs
Aaron Stein
beardedkid
Posted 12:27 PM 5/11/08
I have a refurbed iMac which I was discounted significantly on. I chose it because of they offered the exact same warranty and discounted apple care too. Now, about month 7 or 8 it started turning off randomly. A big issue but not the worst. I took it to the genius bar and they actually could not figure out what did it-nor could they replicate it in the store-but they saw that there was logged power failures. They replaced the ENTIRE LOGIC BOARD free of charge. I received a BRAND NEW logic board and a receipt that said the cost of repair would have been $1000 + servicing fees.
Now I've seen some TVs that are refurb and only have a 30 day warranty and you have to pay extra for longer- that's why I don't woot as much as I want to. But now with square trade and other good deals direct from the manufacturer, it pays to go the second hand route. Best $999 I ever spent.
beardedkid
ng12345
Posted 12:48 PM 5/11/08
@Lite: How many dvd's do you take with you that it tkaes you an hour to slip them into a travel sleeve?
pulling your chain a little; but really I haven't had a problem with netflix watch instantly on hotel connections etc -- though I have to say the eee pc isn't able to tolerate video well at all
besides who really wants to watch a movie on a 9" screen
ng12345
Hintzyboy
Posted 1:10 PM 5/11/08
Dell sent me a Vostro 1500 refurb when my old Inspiron 6000 fried it's fourth motherboard in a year and a half. I've had it more than six months now with zero problems, which I couldn't say for the Inspiron (which I bought brand new).
Hintzyboy
stwf
Posted 1:56 PM 5/11/08
You're wrong, buying used cars is for LOSERS!!!!!
Actually the truth is an old laptop is slow and sad, while a used car can drive just as well as a new car. No, I'm lying, new cars RULE!
stwf
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Posted 2:53 PM 5/11/08
@Lite: Actually, that's pretty much how it is. The problem with these systems is that their thin form factor but flexible outer shells cause a lot of stress on the biggest internals. The Macbook has a nasty habit of scratching discs if you move it around because the entire case flexes and causes the uberthin optical drive to do the same. It's a huge design flaw that's finally gone. Whew
Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine
Geraldo
Posted 3:07 PM 5/11/08
Refurb 2.4GHz Core2Duo MacBook Pro (Feb 2008 model) $1,350 vs $1,999 (equivalent new unibody MBP)? I couldn't turn down the $650 savings. Sure, the HD was a little larger, memory a little fater, NVidia graphics card a little faster, plus I liked the unibody and new trackball. But $650 savings I can live with.
Geraldo
Weihovah
Posted 7:07 PM 5/11/08
anyone have experience w/ refurbed dell monitors?
Weihovah
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Posted 8:08 PM 5/11/08
A refurb item is basically something some guy sends in and gets a new one, and the old laptop is fixed and sold for cheap. I don't see the problem. It's like a nearly new car.
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smackswell
Posted 8:02 PM 5/11/08
@SmartyPantsDance.: I had my old and new macbook side by side for the first week, and there is no way in hell I would've returned the new one.
The white plastic of the old model made it feel cheap and was really creaky. It got scratched if you look at it wrong. This is coming from someone who takes meticulous care of their laptops.
The new one is solid as a rock. It's a computer that I'll keep for a long time. If you want something that you'll want to replace in a year, get the white one.
smackswell
One Way Mule
Posted 10:43 PM 5/11/08
Where abouts would I acquire a refurbished laptop in Aus? All the official sites seem to redirect me to an american site.
One Way Mule
DrDonkeyKong
Posted 11:58 PM 5/11/08
@Lite: Hackint0sh + DVD sharing. Done...
DrDonkeyKong
Eruanno
Posted 1:41 AM 6/11/08
Refurbished white/black MacBook = Nah.
Refurbished last-gen MacBook Pro = Hell yes!
Eruanno
paqman
Posted 3:38 AM 6/11/08
I'm all over Dell's refurbs. My mother in is buying us and her two kids laptops for christmas. (her mom died, left a boatload of money), and she asked me to shop for and buy them.
She gave me a budget of about $600, so I was going to do Dell refurbs, but I found the same models, brand new on ebay for cheaper than dells outlet site, plus no tax or shipping! So I saved a bucket load. Also I got 25% cashback on all three laptops through microsofs search.live cashback program.
paqman
noasalira
Posted 3:36 AM 6/11/08
I got a refurbished laptop, used it for three years, and it was already two years old when I got it. I have worn it down, it began dying, then seemed to snap back over the past weeks. I got my money out of it many times over...so this time, I am going new. But I recommend refurbished computers fully.
noasalira
szrimaging
Posted 3:58 AM 6/11/08
Man, your reccomendations missed the best refurbs to buy. HP. Exact same warranty as new. Through their refurbs sales I bought a laptop aimed at graphics professionals that retails at the 1700+ w/ 1 year normal warranty for about 900 w/ 3 year extended and accidental protection. HP by far has the best deals on refurbs of any company I know.
Oh, and the laptop has been rock solid.
szrimaging
rossismyname
Posted 4:23 AM 6/11/08
Just saved 35% on an iMac refurb. Got a lot of beefy features for $50 less than a new base model.
rossismyname
Illrigger
Posted 6:03 AM 6/11/08
Dell Cerified Refurbs come with EXACTLY the same warranty and even packaging as new models, but cost $100-300 less. The ONLY difference is you don't get to choose your options, and that it comes with a sticker on the the bottom saying it's refurbished. I recently ordered a base Studio 17" with 2GB of RAM, 802.11G and 160GB drive for $469!! Who the heck would buy new?
Illrigger
A.W.E.S.O.M.-O
Posted 7:47 AM 6/11/08
I dunno, depends on the company, I guess. I've bought factory sealed refurbished laptops that were off-lease corporate machines--pretty much just dusted off and resold. There was minor wear and adhesive residue from the previous company's tags still on the lid too. Definitely not "like new."
A.W.E.S.O.M.-O
ludwigk
Posted 8:42 AM 6/11/08
@smackswell: We put an Invisible Shield on my GF's black macbook, and its basically scratch-proof. Also, haven't noticed much creaking in the palm rest, but her dainty arms might be lighter than yours.
But, it is true that the unibody MacBook is a compact, slender beast of a computer. It's combination of thin, rigid, light, and features just makes you want to give it a hug. People who are still hung up on the price need to try the thing out to realize how amazingly nice it is.
ludwigk
ludwigk
Posted 8:33 AM 6/11/08
@PollockRoc: If you buy and sell your laptop strategically, you can make out pretty will with regular updates.
Lets say, you buy your computer "refurb" for about $1000.
In a year and a half, you buy a newer "refurb" for $1000, selling the old computer for $600. Do this four times. In 6 years, you've spent $1600, and had a new computer every 18 months. As opposed to your system, where you buy the "new" one for $1600, and after 4-5 years, have a $75 relic to ebay, or whatever.
There's some work involved, but there is a benefit to high turnover rate, and the costs are not necessarily outrageous.
ludwigk
addiktion
Posted 2:46 PM 6/11/08
I actually bought a used laptop from Best Buy that was essentially brand new. It had an open box label on it and they were offering 10% off. It was already on sale because the manufacturer had lowered the price and it was about $500 less then the rest of the competition from the sale alone. Anyways to make a long story short I checked the event logs and it had only ran twice in it's lifetime. Once when the manufacturer turned it on for 10 minutes to make sure it worked and two best buy had it on display for about 4 hours before it was boxed up and put under the shelf to make room for other inventory. I've ran a few tests and it's super solid and I see no scratches, dents, or dings on it whatsoever.
Overall I feel like I nabbed a stealing deal. $500 off, 10% off open box, and it has components in it that the major manufacturers have yet to offer at this price range.
addiktion
syrian_gamer
Posted 2:43 AM 7/11/08
@syrian_gamer:
I have also purchased and returned 6 laptops over the course of 2 years. Various laptops such as macbooks, acer aspire one, and some HP's. Im sure lots of others do the same so buying an open box might no be such a bad idea considering the last person only used it for 14 days.
syrian_gamer
syrian_gamer
Posted 2:41 AM 7/11/08
I have recently bought a Refurbished Macbook and i can honestly say it is amazing. I looked on the sites such as
www.kijiji.ca (or i think it has a .com for usa)
www.craigslist.com
To make a long story short i ended up getting a feb 2008 refresh model which happened to be the low end model with no dvd burner, only 120gb hd and 1gb ram for 800$ WITH applecre until June 2011.
I am completely satisfied with it and it works perfectly. I would suggest others to try and look in the classifieds for used laptops, and also look for some that are still under warranty. If there are any problems such as battery, HD, Motherboard, etc. the warranty will cover it.
syrian_gamer
QubilahPhineus
Posted 9:00 AM 7/11/08
Iâm a computer/network installations specialist for a small company, and Iâve been steadily buying refurbished laptops form clearanceclub.com for the past few months now and I have to say, I am really impressed with the quality Iâve been getting from them. I think over the past 6 months weâve gotten about 27 computers and not 1 lemon yet. (Knock on wood)! Anyone looking for a refurb computer I would say to check them out.
QubilahPhineus
CarolCossus
Posted 9:53 AM 6/11/08
i don't have any hesitation buying refurbished. after the new macbook pros were released (actually, the same day as they were released) i bought a refurbished early 2008 2.5ghz macbook pro -- only $1599 in canada so $1000 less than buying the newest of the new. also bought a refurb time capsule. the macbook pro wasn't waking up from sleep properly though and, after taking it to the apple store, found out it needed a new logic board. so apple is now replacing it with another refurb of the same model. should be here tomorrow -- here's hoping this one works. and one other note: the powerbook g4 i'm replacing i bought used off craigslist. it was less than a year old when i got it, still had almost 3 years of apple care and was also $1000 less than buying new. as much as i want the new macbook pro -- it looks beautiful -- $1000 for only a modest speed increase seems crazy.
CarolCossus