About as likely as Apple putting Boot Camp on the iPhone.

Seinosuke

Not like we didn't see this coming. Ahh Android, I will suckle at your teet

efenili

@BoinK: lawl...thank you.

WD40

@MadColombian:

haha! i so agree! cydia that baby!!!!

seamonkey420

i say screw apple and put on the Cydia store!!! let us jailbreakers atleast enjoy opera!

used to be my java browser of choice on my sony ericsson phones (opera mini) and i'd be willing to try it out on the iphone. not too impressed w/the safari browser; sure does its job but...

seamonkey420

This is why I refuse to buy Apple products. I refuse to support a company that feels they have to micro-manage what their customers do, and how they do it.

Windows Mobile might not be perfect (lol, might?), but at least I can take a poorly-programmed application and crash it on my phone if that's what I really want to do.

hexydes

Quiet fools! Steve knows what you like so stop trying to use anything else.

BoinK

I love Apple and up for anything it does, but this is just monopoly. Apple should support a browser if it works great on iPhone.

vgart

Apple doesn't like competition. I love my iPhone but IMO Safari sucks, I want either Firefox or Opera instead but umm we don't get that choice.

The thing is a lot of people really support Apple for being so tight with their software and that's why they get away with it, however that very mentality will kill them.

WD40

Um... Opera...

Stop shitting yourself and put it on Cydia already. PWEATY PWEASE. I hate Safari with a passion and thats the only aspect of the fucking iPhone that I still hate.

MadColombian

Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for browser preference?

Safari is crashtastic on my iPhone 3G.

getz76

@RamV10: The Symbian version is equally as good.

Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude

If only this could get "leaked", and make its way to Cydia/Installer... but I doubt that.

[x7productions]

I'd march to Cupertino and protest if I wasn't 3000km away :P

Three_Part_Bandit

It's not as if you have to buy Safari. It only benefits them by allowing such apps. Maybe I really want an Iphone, but hate Safari so much that I can't bring myself to do it. Something like this would make me want it again.

I can understand now allowing things that compete with itunes, but this is dumb.

unibrow4o9

I still don't understand why Apple doesn't treat OS X "lite" like it does the full desktop version. Sure, lots of shit can go wrong with certain apps, but I think it's safe to say that if an app causes problems, sensible users can just delete them/restore the iPod/iPhone.

Bottom line: They'd still get fucking money for the hardware. What gives?

Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine

Too bad. Opera for WM is wonderful.

Maybe one day King Steve will open up the rest of the platform.

RamV10

@unibrow4o9: Why do you hate Safari on the iPhone? what has it done to you? I can understand that you prefer one browser over another, but hate? What would be the difference you notice when using Safari against Opera?

sos10 votes NO on prop8

@EricAlder: Yah it won't fit anyways, says the fatman

beekerstudios

@Lupison:
hmm the site removed my *cough* tags on that btw...

Lupison

M$ being sued by Europeans countries for including Internet Explorer with the OS

Lupison

Too bad, because Opera is working better on my EEE than Firefox did. Perhaps if they make a version for an Android phone, I'll just get an Android instead.

theblackdog

@[x7productions]: Others haven't balked at this, qik is one.

beekerstudios

@Sockatume: Perhaps, but as of now, iPhone mail leads to Gmail and Fring leads to Googletalk :P

Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine

Who the heck wants Oprah on their phone?

EricAlder

@getz76: That's what I was thinking. Unlike Macs, the iPhone and iPod touch are poised to be very ubiquitous pieces of kit, thus their browsers would be. Not allowing Opera/FFM/Cydia on the phone or iPod would be pretty monopolistic, and in a way, even worse than Microsoft, since Microsoft limited how people could develop the browser, whereas this simply doesn't allow it at all.

Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine

@Kaiser The Undead Cookie Brought to Life With Lightning and...: Opera Mini leads to Gmail. Gmail leads to Android. Android leads to the dark side.

Sockatume

By competition, does Apple mean a browser that crashes any time you try to move or zoom the screen before the page finishes loading?

EdgesRazor

Opera's about the only thing I miss about my Helio.

monkeyrotica

iPhone + Android = freedom!

Posavoie

@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine: They have to keep the cellphone vendors happy. =|

Lite

@sos10 votes NO on prop8: Safari is terrible. It is crashtastic. You could be reading Gizmodos real site (cuz the mobile site sucks) and it crashes mid-article for no reason.

You could be reading a new york times article and it crashes mid article.

You could be doing anything... and it crashes mid anything.

Then you have to wait for the whole thing to reload.

Its annoying as fuck. I can hardly go thru the day without safari crashing once.

MadColombian

I can hardly use Safari anymore without it crashing frequently. (This began when upgraded to 2.1 - before, it was working rather fine.) Also - I want an ad-blocker. Why should I waste time and money downloading flashy animated GIFs???

TessaMalik

Opera should release it on cydia, but while they're at it they should make it so that you can copy paste with it

igneous

I must say Safari does crash on my once in a while but nothing major. But from what users are saying Apple should make it more stable and give it's users what they want. I would love for opera or skyfire to get onto the iPhone but if apple doesn't want others to give it's userbase an amazing experience then why can't apple just make the Safari browser on equal of better than it's competition?

Rondogg96

@sos10 votes NO on prop8: 76% of the longer-standing install base wants firewire on low-end Macs, 45% wants Steve to wear something else during keynotes, 86.4% want Gizmodo to mess with Jobs at the keynote with the TV-B-Gone, 99.9% want Snow Leopard to be a free upgrade, 100% can confirm that I pulled these stats out of my ass.

Kaiser 'The Undead Cookie Brought to Life With Lightning and the Souls of Insane Cannibalistic Orphans' Machead

to you fanboys who say 'dont question, just accept and appreciate', how can you not realize that competition drives improvement?

is there any way this could show up on cydia or installer?

marlow2689

@hexydes: Most people don't care about which browser they use, as long as it is crash prone. Apple knows what 99.99% customers want.

sos10 votes NO on prop8

@Sockatume: Best comment on here. I use Opera on my HTC Touch. I know that WinMo looks like win 98 but functionally its great. With Opera 9.5 beta with widgets its even better.

The_Red_Monkey

@hexydes: People better get used to it as the same thing could very likely happen for custom apps for other great services like Orb, Slingbox, Hulu, Netflix, etc.

The general masses could care less though. People on here can rave about OSX, etc, but the average joe just wants it because it's pretty and all their friends have one. So it'll continue to sell like hotcakes and lock-in even more people. Don't expect a change in policy anytime soon.

Ron-Mexico

If this is true, I want to see proof. One word: Cydia.

Dearhaw

@WD40:

I don't get it. Opera mini, I can understand, but Firefox?? How can you say you prefer Firefox over mobile Safari, when a mobile version of Firefox doesn't even exist??

Dearhaw

Welcome to SOL-ville. Population YOU.

Ron-Mexico

@Rondogg96: Isn't that the point though? If Apple doesn't allow any other browsers then they really have no incentive to "fix" Safari as an iPhone user is going to have to use it to use the internet. The alternative (waiting until you get to a real computer) just doesn't work anymore.

CubFan81

@MadColombian: + Affinity !!!

T-Will

@getz76: Yeah it's pretty crashy on my 1G too...it seems like it's due to low memory since a phone reboot usually causes it to not crash.

T-Will

@theblackdog: exactly! it's this kind of policy by apple that are seriously making me consider trading in my iphone for an android phone when one becomes available on at&t.

lostlikeme

man I'd love to try this out, I can't remember the last time I used my iPhone and the browser didn't crash

rodsky

Cydia... Installer...?

ttech10

@lostlikeme: Unfortunately AT&T has opted not to join the open handset alliance, so it is very unlikely you will be seeing any sweet sweet android action through them anytime soon.

ValterNuddletits

Can apple legally do this? I mean microsoft isn't allowed to do this with windows. Rememberthe whole default application thing they had to implement in windows. Shouldn't we be allowed to decide was apps we want to use?

BrentHammer

@BrentHammer:

The iPhone would probably have to reach a more dominant position in the marketplace before the justice department started stepping in and making them open up the store.

It's a sham Apple insists on this policy, though. I really do have to believe that competition breeds excellence.

Serolf Divad

I agree that Safari is pretty legit but I would at least like to try it.

tubsdouglas

I too would love an alternative browser on my iPhone. I hope Apple approves this.

joseComments

Totally off topic, but what ever happened to Opera for the DS?

jdbaile3

@EricAlder: Oh, it's OPERA? Well who the heck want that either? Fat chicks in viking helmets screeching? No thanks!

EricAlder

Opera for life.

Malfoy

Isn't this rather similar to the whole Internet Explorer monopoly thing that got Microsoft into a lot of trouble? Apple is the new MS... except potentially worse as they own the hardware platform too. Imagine if you couldn't install Photoshop as it competed with MS Paint.

SahilaLean

I don't have an iPhone so I don't know how this works, but, is the App Store the only place where you can buy and load software onto your iPhone?

Bodie1550

Here's my take:

FritzLaurel

@Sockatume: LMAO! Best comment ever... inside the mind of Steve Jobs... there is a dark place that no one will dare enter... until Opera Mini was born... or not!

DiscoDapper

@Kaiser 'The Undead Cookie Brought to Life With Lightning an...:
It's not a monopoly, it's a Jobopoly. Not sure those concepts apply here as Apple owns both the hardware and softare side and the OS does not go on any other hardware, so they can pretty much do what they want. It may not be very nice, but they can do it. Personally I dig Safari M and Opera M.

DiscoDapper

I'm not surprised. That's why you won't see another mail client, or calendar client, or contact client...

anti-hello-kitty

@Sockatume:
In this context, wouldn't Opera be more like the separatists, or possibly the Alliance?

terebakashi

Hum... I seem to remember a company that got sued up the ASS for including their own browser. Except they still ALLOWED other browsers to be installed.

So now we have Apple REFUSING competition? As always I'm sure Apple will be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of laws.

I love my iPhone but as always Apple can go fuck themselves. Jobs is a cutthroat lying dick!

JEmlay

Honestly, I dunno why they wasted their money on developing this. I think they should be able to have Opera on the iPhone, but this is Apple we're talking about here.

karmaghost

I believe Apple is just scared that Opera would make a better browser for the iPhone than Safari. I've been having a lot of problems with Safari crashing on me constantly when I try to load sites that don't even have a lot of code on them. It's ok though Opera, you know Blackberry loves you and they will let you develop an Opera browser for the Storm.

mr. Hi-Definition

It's going to be fun when Apple's the new monopoly. They'll make Microsoft look like Mr. Rogers by comparison.

+ Watch video

Ron-Mexico

Come on leak into Cydia!!!
:P

awdark

And people label Microsoft as a big nasty evil empire. All large corps just care about their own $$$

KungFu M0nk3y

@seamonkey420:
I'm with you. Apple's probably pissed because it works better than Safari. A good ol' kick in the nuts and releasing it on Cydia should do the trick.

that_matt

@KungFu M0nk3y: Avoid microsoft, avoid apple, be happy.

zyodei

Now here, boys and girls, is why we never, never buy an iPhone.

Mommy said to never trust a stranger with a hipster goatee luring you with shiny objects.

And they claim the reason they restrict the app store is to protect the stability of the phone! rubbish!

typed from opera 6.52, still the one i turn to 80% of the time despite firefox and all it's bells and whistles ;)

zyodei

Yeah, I loved it when the EU fined Microsoft for being a monopolist but I really want them to do this for Apple like RIGHT FUCKING NOW! Apple is full of sissies! They're like: "Somebody is making a better thing than us, giving users what they want, like Copy and Paste. Oh noes! We must fucking shut them down with a ton of rules that ruin creativity!" This is why the fuck people still hack their iPhone. Corporate monopolist dick benders and ball kickers. Yeah!!! Apple can suck my cock. Lately I've been thinking whether to buy an iPhone 3G, and reasons not to fucking do it are starting to weigh more than the ones that support the possibility of a choice of iPhone. One thing I don't fucking like is to be forced to use something I don't think is good enough for me, like in this case. So I think I might end up buying a phone with Windows Mobile, just because you are free to install whatever shit you want on it, unlike the holy, Jesus Phone... Jeeezus. I can't believe this.

DaSmith

@Kaiser-Machead's Cookie-Powered LEGO Machine:

86.4% want Gizmodo to mess with Jobs at the keynote with the TV-B-Gone

86.4% of Gizmodo readers are highly immature 12 year olds with a sense of humor on par with your average "Ow! My Balls!" viewer?

nevermind. asked and answered...

x23

I wouldn't be too quick to fault Apple. Better to have a stable phone than to allow anything and everything. Apple has a lot invested in the iPhone. If you want Opera you can always use another product as your mobile appliance. Of course 9 million people have decided on the iPhone and with little competition out there, it is likely that Apple will have its say for some time to come. A while ago I wrote about Apple's position on the iPhone, and its 1.0 and 2.0 implementation in a post entitled, Was Steve Jobs Right with iPhone 1.0, which you can read at http://johnkendrick.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/was-steve-jobs-right-with-iphone-...10/ John

TamaraCadizzle

I dont see what the big deal is. Im not a fanboy but seriously there is no mobile browser on any cell phone that works as good as safari on the iphone. On winmo they just got a real browser with skyfire. Other than that theres no better browser than safari. On the computer ie not mobile phone thats diff.

PhilippaDampie

Wake me up when Opera actually applies and gets denied. This is no news until then.

maztec

Apple rejected Opera because the browser included its own JavaScript interpreter, something forbidden by the iPhone SDK developer agreement.

ShrutiHamlegs