I can't even come up with an approximate over/under for when they're going to hack it. Chances are, it'll be pretty quick.

15sunrises

While I don't like it, I can see why Apple tries to prevent Jailbreaking and Unlocking. Unlocking hurts them in the pocket and they are in the business of making money, after all. Jailbreaking opens up the possibility of piracy of App Store apps, this is just their way of trying to prevent piracy. It's no different from firmware updates for game consoles that break previous hacking techniques.

pastrychef

@J France: Come ON. What are the odds that this is a software glitch? Not high.

Pope John Peeps II

nazis

aeroworks

Solution: Use Windows. Apple can screw with their OS all they want, but they can't prevent people from loading iTunes on a Windows VM or in Boot Camp. And if they start modifying their hardware so that doesn't work, there's always a PC.

bsoft

If the problem is in iTunes, can they just install a previous version?

Carbonfly

@15sunrises: 3,2,1... and...

I'll be curious to see if this is deliberate or an ill intended side effect.

Now that there is the direct revenue stream that Jailbreaking somewhat usurps it seems Apple will be a bit less ambivalent towards it all.

J France

@OMG! Ponies!: Yeah, it might be my imagination but very recently Apple seems to be turning into a bit of a dictatorship. Not really liking the direction they're heading right now. Turning more into Microsoft each week.

shufflemoomin

There really is nothing like being told what to do with property one owns outright.

OMG! Ponies!

@pastrychef: unlocking doesnt hurt them at all. it did with the first iPhone but with the iPhone 3g their not getting didly squat when it comes to monthly fees.

Also, most people that jailbreak do it for the jailbreak only application that arent even available in the App Store. That, and the piracy of App Store applications is quite a grueling process (which is looked down upon by the Jailbreak community fyi)

MadColombian

I think you Mac users have battered wife syndrome. There is no other reason why you defend apple after they pull stunts like this over and over and over again.

Aturayd

This is precisely the kind of practice that earned MS the "eeeeeevil" moniker. Does Apple really want that kind of negative connotation. If MS would just use some of those billions to hire a competent ad company, I think it would help. For example, Apple keeps billing itself as the OS for doing fun stuff, yet MS never hit them on the dearth of major video games for OSX. Or how about the fact that Mac mean you're buying in to almost communist levels of uniformity. They could have an ad showing how your mac looks just like everyone else's Mac but with PC you can get one that's unique.

Throw a couple million my way, MS, I'll hook you up!

Kiamat

@shufflemoomin: Apple long passed Microsoft, my friend. The iPhone showed their true colors.

diabolusunknownTheSecond

@Aturayd: That assumes people give a f&ck when they don't. Most people don't jailbreak, and those that do understand the cat and mouse of it. Based on who cares, it'd be more like battered elfin wife syndrome.

frigg

@Kiamat: Microsoft has their own problems, like dabbling in lots of areas but never taking most of them seriously. In the last decade, truly good products that I can think of include the XBox lineup and Office 2007. Windows Vista, while not terrible, just fell short of pushing the envelope. Internet Explorer should be ended, it's the worst browser available. Windows Mobile only remained relevant because you can hack it to death, but the interface is unusable. The list goes on. Microsoft needs to not worry about marketing and start worrying about making good products.

And I'm no fan of Apple. I came into this article ready to extol upon how I don't own Apple products specifically because of this type of dictatorial authority Apple pushes on its users (not to mention costing twice as much).

And don't get me started about Linux... ;)

hexydes

O Windows 7, wherefore art thou?

But for Vista, I probably would have defected back over to PC. This weekend, after seeing the price differences between a PC and a Mac, I started to realize that now more than ever, Mac users are brand suckers.

Samifumi

"There really is nothing like being told what to do with property one owns outright."

That reminds me of something:

There really is nothing like being told you have to give your hard earned money to people who are lazy and don't want to work.
<--SOCIALISM

easy2panic

I don't understand, what does DFU mode have to do anything with creating the custom firmware? I thought DFU was necessary to load the exploit.

crackle

@Samifumi: Do "price differences" really need to be debated again?

Warbrain

@bsoft: Exactly. Boot Camp is the only way that it would work, though. Virtualization causes issues while pwning.

Warbrain

Gogo blog hype. "Hey, did you hear people are having problems running this hack on these new machines?" "Yeah. Quick, lets spin it so it seems intentional, even though the machines use a chipset from a different vendor, a unique build of OS X, and noone has confirmed the exact problem.!"

Seriously. I'm guessing the Pwnage tool probably looks for something specific USB wise to talk to the phone under OS X, and can't find it on these new systems because they no longer use an Intel chipset and USB interface. Hackers will take the minimal route to get something working, and not always go back and ensure it is robust. These types of hacks can be very sensitive to change, and just fall over if breathed on.

But, you know, I'm sure that Apple had their top execs come out of evil laughter training to go down to engineering and request that they spend time breaking some software in the new hardware intentionally. Because that sounds real plausible...

drakino

@bsoft: That's a terrible solution that no self respecting Mac user should ever be forced into. ;)

johnmc

@johnmc: Lol, it's no wonder Mac users have much higher rates for purchasing their stuff.

UltimateIdiot

LOL you have to use windows to hack the Iphone, SUCKERS!

chumleyex

@1timeonly: You LOVED a company? Humans are a lot easier, have you tried those?

SwainThanatos

e app store sucks... that said i have only installed free apps from app store... the only cydia app i use is bossprefs and a few networking tools that are VERY handy. but i am viewing apple as big brother more and more. they are not the company i once loved. i'm considering a switch to linux... *sigh*

1timeonly

@frigg: Yeah, for example, you can't install Linux on the latest iPods due to changes Apple has made. Is it an example of Apple's dictatorial control trying to prevent people from using .ogg on their iPods, yes. Does anyone care? I'd doubt many people even reading this thread knew that, so, no.

SwainThanatos

@drakino: Evil Laughter Training.... Hilarious. You came up with that just now?
Next performance review I'll ask my manager if I can follow that training to prepare myself for his position.

WOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hmmmmm

@chumleyex:

Careful there, you know there will be a workarounds as always, SUCKER!

Some_F-in-ShiT_Ass

Aaaaand this is what's keeping me from buying an iPhone. Yes, the device is amazing. Yes, the people in charge are purposefully crippling it to make it far less awesome, and you have to do some strange voodoo dance each week to get shit to work.

Homey don't play that.

nachobel

Well Apple is getting pretty smart but this is all made by same people who write the hacking software. I expect new solution in a month. =)

vgart

@aeroworks:
If you made a revolutionary product you'll do same thing. Whatever.

vgart

@MadColombian: Agreed. I jailbroke my iPhone for pirated AppStore apps and it was a pain in the ass. So much that if I ever re-jailbreak my iPhone, I wont be doing it again.

ajlafontaine

@Warbrain: They'll always be open for debate. The market is not a stagnant phenomenon. The debate changes with each new product cycle.

Samifumi

@johnmc: Mac users stopped being self-respecting when they became such.

Disclaimer: I do not necessarily believe the above; I just say things like this when people annoy me.

Reil(aos)

Apple. As open as they always were.

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

@bsoft: Exactly what I was thinking. Or, as someone else suggested, if it really is iTunes just grab an old version. What else could possibly be the culprit?

rcast1986

@drakino: Well considering their management of the app store yea it sounds plausible.

Zomb

@Zomb: Maybe this is in reference to the election, but if your talking about barrack obama's tax plan your wrong, Trying going to his site and reading it instead of listening to the sensationalist garbage and buzz words used by the media and if your talking about something else I have no idea what it is.

Zomb

@easy2panic: ?

Zomb

@SwainThanatos: Yea, but as your walls slowly constrict eventually they'll block off something you do care about. Kinda of like in US where we are slowly losing rights and no one cares until they get smacked in the fast. Hitler invaded three countries with a slap on the wrist before we ended up fighting back. If behavior like this continues it will get worst and eventually you will care so do something now before they start to think this kind of behavior is good.

Zomb

@hexydes: Your right, but because they are so diverse they can handle not being revolutionary with every product as long as they are competent in a market they will still make a huge profit. Its the same reason why you are supposed to diversify in stocks. One may do well one may do extremely bad, but on average they will rise consistently.

Zomb

@diabolusunknownTheSecond: It may have been good for the company, but apple passed microsoft when they stopped allowing other companies to build Macs

Zomb

So it continues....

gizwizkid

@vgart: No!

Zomb

@johnmc: Self respecting Mac user. lol
Just kidding, but no self respecting computer user would allow a company to dictate as strictly as apple does what software they can and can't put on their phone

Zomb

@drakino:
Thank god there's at least one reasonable commenter.
Good Jorb, drakino!

Hanzo

Run xp in vmware maybe???

Digitallysick

Apple iphone users are being back stabbed. Users aren't necessarily trying to bypass copy right there just trying to run there own apps on there own phone. When windows does it its to protect its own software from copy right infringement

brutaluser

@shufflemoomin: Dictatorship? You've got to be kidding me.

If you think Apple is being unfair to you, buy something else. This isn't an issue of Apple intruding on your rights as a consumer, they are just trying to protect their product. You're free to try and jailbreak if it if you can, but they're equally free to try and prevent such practices.

CJCS

@drakino: Pwnage ran fine on both of my Hackintoshes. Try again.

mphuie

Apple is soo concerned that their new CASH COW the app store is going to become a pir8cy playhouse. Oh wait it already happened. LOL! sorry apple.

atomoverride

@Zomb: Or computer for that matter. The formats you can and cannot use to stay in their "ecosystem". I don't really expect these coffee shop poseurs to really understand anything about computers. But they do have tough knees.

sxr7171

@johnmc: I'll tell you what I think about that after you wipe Steve Job's cum off your face.

sxr7171

@hexydes: Don't forget Windows Home Server. Revolutionary product IMHO.

sxr7171

apple hardware is pretty, usually well built, contains significant potential. then the software that we're FORCED to use on it limits its potential usefulness, making it subpar. I enjoy my iphone mostly, but will definitely be looking into other options in 1.5 yrs from now when my contract is up. they had better listen up to their clientale and make moves to keep us happier, if they want to keep their current % of the market or even take more % in future.

banmojo

@Kiamat: interestingly most Mac users are going to vote communist this yr, apparently :^)

that smiley face is carrying a sardonic grin

banmojo

I believe this is a simple issue of PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair) There's nothing hardware related in the new MacBooks that would affect PWNAGE from jailbreaking the iPhone 3G. As for software the OS is running the latest version of Leopard which I have on a preexisting MacBook and have no issue with PWNAGE. I do admit it's much easier to jailbreak with QuickPWN though offers less user control.

imagine-engine

@bsoft: Occurs to me that it might be a firmware lock. It would make sense, harder to screw with, should be simple to get the firmwares to do an authentication and there you go.

ice_cold_irony

@Samifumi: Not all. I'm an OS Whore.

USB_Humping_Dog

@CJCS: That's my stand as well. Both sides keep trying to get a leg up on the other, so that's cool. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

USB_Humping_Dog

Ya know,I think drakino had this right, i don't think that this was purposeful, or it would have been aimed at oolder computers as well.

I have never jail-broken my iphone, and the only reason that I would would be to get away from AT&T who suck in my area.

i love easily being able to download youtube and rip them and my DVDs and put them on my computer, ipod and iphone. i also like making my own free ringtones.

I am typing this on an 8 year-old Powermac (added SATA and USB 2.0) while doing other work on an Intel mac in the next room. Most of what I do is with freeware and shareware (which I try to pay for).

When you buy a car, you check the depreciation, what is the depreciation of a Mac vs a PC.

One reason for software issues on the PC side is the variability of chipsets, so you ran into it on the Mac, again, as this has happened with some software in the past.

That being said, as Apple has changed its manufacturing process over the years and has gone from USA assembly to overseas and to cheaper and cheaper components, the style has improved but I feel that the quality has dropped.

I would prefer same style with improved components. I still like the old hemispheric iMac and still have three of them in use.

4rhythm

Apple knowingly ( and to great profit) sold 500,000 1st gen iphone to non att consumers at full price. Many of the 1st owners lived outside the usa, so jailbreaking was the only solution to use them. Apple and the phone providers (like rogers in canada) vigorously sought them and happily gave them a plan for their 1st iphone and looked the other way with jailbreaking. Soon at the 3gs came out, Apple began slowly poisoning all the old 1st gen phone ( first with itunes updates, and now with interoperability on host computers). This is pure evil. Imagine having a car company purposely selling you gas to break your car ( every itunes update) so you'll buy a new one, or make the new gas stations not accept your car as you r drive it on the highway (macbook non-interoperability) . Apple is purposely killing 500,000 legally bought 1st gen phones just so you'll upgrade to their new phones. Tought luck you say - wait till they do it again to your 3g phones - they will because unless we speak out. If a cool and hip company like apple gets away with this, many much more ugly companies will try next. the iphone is a device - a data computer - it needs to be open. itunes breaks the typical computer/software pact. they should be prosecuted just so we can stop it in 2008 before this practise gets picked up by others.

BerylAeolus

@Zomb: "Yea, but as your walls slowly constrict" Then I go to another room. Unlike many here, I don't have a problem walking away from a product that no longer suits my needs. It's a bit harder to leave a country.

SwainThanatos

People, get a grip on yourselves! You don't need to enter DFU to upload the pawned firmware: just quit the pawnage tool and hold option while pressing "restore" on iTunes, then select the pawned firmware you've just created. As simple as that, no hassles, no evil stuff.

OscarDascylus

You should know by now that Apple uses different build of Mac OS X on new MacBooks "Unibody" then on all the previous notebooks. You can read about itn Dan Warne's article "Top Ten Things You Didin't Know About the New MacBook"/ Russian-speaking readers can read it in my translation for Haywired.

BruceAphareus