Software
Mobile Browser Battlemodo: Which Phones Deliver The Real Web
Posted by Matt Buchanan at 1:00 AM on November 20, 2008

Before 2007, using the internet on your phone would make you want to kill yourself, if you were dumb enough to believe the crap splattered across that tiny screen even was the "internet." But the combination of increased bandwidth and better mobile software means that more phones really are promising to deliver the real internet, in living colour. We tested eight different browsers, and while some put smiles on our faces, others proved that rendering HTML correctly is a far cry from actually giving you an awesome web experience. And what about 3G vs. Wi-Fi? Everything the carriers have told you is a lie. This is the true state of mobile web.
Before we give you the rundown of each of the most prevalent mobile browsers, here's how they all stacked up in a timed test of how fast (and how well) they could render websites, chosen for their diversity and particular challenges:
CHART KEY: Number value is time for complete page load in seconds; page rendering is rated from "Fail" to "Excellent" for each; and the colour (red, yellow, green) indicates overall performance taking into account both speed and rendering accuracy: Green = good overall, Red = fail overall.

This second chart runs through the same procedure with all of the phones that had Wi-Fi options:

It's a pretty daunting pile of numbers, so let's break it down into standard prose, rating each browser as we go:
Android
A fast, smart mobile browser based on WebKit. It tackles most sites with (almost) unrivalled grace and speed. Panning and zooming could be smoother and more responsive, but with a ton of options for getting around a page—various touch methods and the trackball—few sites will be challenging to zip around. The only thing we really miss is multitouch for zoom. Buttons just aren't a very elegant or precise solution, and while the whole-page magnifying glass technique is nice, we'd love something a bit more refined. Overall though, we're happy campers on Android's browser. Grade: B+
BlackBerry Bold
Leaps and bounds ahead of the browser BlackBerry users have put up with for years, it renders most pages correctly, even if scripts give it a conniption fit (hence its long load times for Wikipedia and the WSJ). It uses the standard "click to zoom" metaphor, which works well enough, though getting around a page with the trackball can be kind of a work out for you thumb. The Column View, which squeezes a whole page into a single column, is fairly convenient and makes it easier to get around wider pages, even if it doesn't work equally as well on every site (nice on Wikipedia, ugly on Giz). Hopefully they fix the script performance in the Storm, which is using an updated version of the Bold's browser. We humbly suggest they ditch their home-baked browser for one based on WebKit, which would help out there. Grade: B-/C+
iPhone
What can we say? It's still got the best mobile browser around. It crushes basically everything but Android's browser—which is also based on WebKit—in speed and outclasses its still classy brother-from-another-mother (and everyone else) with the ease and elegance of its multitouch zooming. Some pages still give it fits, and it's missing Flash support, but it really does deliver an unrivalled mobile web experience. We love it, but make no mistake we're eagerly waiting for something better. (Mobile Firefox? Is it you?) Grade: A-
Nokia E71 Symbian S60
Hey look, another web browser with WebKit guts! It doesn't perform quite as well as Android's or iPhone's iteration where speed or render accuracy are concerned (can any Symbian nuts explain why?), but it does a serviceable job. The big thing it has going for it is Flash Lite 3 support, though performance there is kinda assy and memory intensive. Navigation is tougher with the E71's d-pad than with a trackball, but the whole page magnifying approach makes it easy enough to get around (too bad you have to dig through a menu or two to get to it). Not bad, but short of excellent. Grade: B-
Internet Explorer on Windows Mobile
Jesus Christ. This is a joke, right Microsoft? Hahaha. No really, this is the worst smartphone browser on the planet. It couldn't render its way out of an ASCII-art paper bag. It totally screwed up every single test page, except for Wikipedia, which it only mostly screwed up. Good luck navigating a page if you're granted the miraculous occurrence of it being rendered in a state that's usable. Grade: F-
Opera Mobile on Windows Mobile
Microsoft's own intentions notwithstanding, you can use the internet on a Windows Mobile phone. You just need Opera Mobile. It's kind of hobbled by Windows Mobile's assy performance, but it usually gets the job done. Not as quickly or always as accurately as its WebKit rivals, but it's definitely usable. Interestingly, it benefits more from the extra bandwidth offered by Wi-Fi than the WebKit browsers do. Menu-based zoom is annoying and imprecise. Touch-based panning worked okay, though a little laggy. We mostly navigated with the Samsung Epix's optical cursor, which worked pretty well, somewhere in between a d-pad and a trackball. Grade: C
Sprint Instinct
Holy CRAP. This is not the painfully lousy browser the Instinct shipped with not by a long shot. The original was slow and fairly feeble, even if it was the head of its (dumbphone) class. The new 1.1 browser really is a life-changing upgrade. It suffers in the chart because it's much slower than most other browsers, and zooming is still clumsy, but once the page loads, it's much smoother to pan and actually move around. I got a bit annoyed that it lied about pageload time, hanging at the last 2 percent of the status bar for half the load, but it usually gets things right. This is the best non-smartphone browser you can get. Grade: C+
LG Dare
Like the Instinct, the Dare proves you can actually get a usable browsing experience on a feature phone. It's a little nimbler at loading pages than its Korean blood rival, but the reason it ultimately posts lower marks than the Instinct is that it buckles way more easily under a moderate to heavy pageload, turning it into an unresponsive picture of the website you were trying to look at. Still, it renders most pages fairly accurately, and we like the sliding zoom scroll bar, at least in theory, since it seems like an intuitive way to deal with the zoom issue. Unfortunately, it works more like a glorified pair of buttons. (Note: I don't think the speed was actually a piddly 300 Kbps—I think it just had a problem dealing with DSL Reports' mobile speedtest, even though it's text-based for the dumbest of phones.) Grade: C
Methodology
We tested every browser only using the full—not mobile—versions of selected sites, over 3G and, whenever possible, Wi-Fi. All scripts were turned on, and the cache was cleared before each round of testing. We took the average of a series of five sequential speedtests to give us an idea of the bandwidth we're dealing with, and timed how long it took to completely load a site according to each browser's progress bar. We assessed whether or not it rendered the page correctly, on a scale ranging from "excellent" to "good" (a couple things out of place) to "utter fail" (I've seen prettier train wrecks).
A few additional issues to note: Internet Explorer would not work on Wi-Fi. Opera yes, our Skyfire install, yes, Internet Exploder, no. (Samsung suggested it might be because of Opera.) We didn't pursue the matter because of how IE did in the 3G tests: A page that looks like a pile of blended dog poo is going to look like that no matter how much faster it loads. Sprint's updated Instinct and Verizon's Dare, which we included as best-of-class examples of feature phones, don't have Wi-Fi capabilities. We left out Opera Mini and Skyfire, since they both leave most of the hard work to servers which essentially spit out a kind of image file—besides, we don't think this kind of internet-by-proxy browser will be around for much longer.
The Big Gulp
Remember our mantra it's code that counts? It's true for mobile internet too. An awesome browser can make up for a mediocre network, but a terrible browser delivers a crappy experience no matter how great the network is. It's all about the browser. As it stands, WebKit is clearly the best thing going, but even then, software implementation matters, or Nokia would deliver as good a performance as Android and iPhone. Proving the point, it's striking how little Wi-Fi actually boosted speed beyond 3G—hell, WebKit browsers on 3G slid past some of the others that were running on Wi-Fi.
Another thing to note is that the zoom metaphor is a tricky thing to nail. Buttons are too brutish, the magnifying glass is imprecise. Multitouch seems to be the best way to handle zooming in and out in a way that's intuitive and precise. Hopefully we'll see other developers start to use multitouch interfaces in touchscreen phones (*cough*ANDROID!*cough*).
As much as this blow-by-blow battlemodo shows you all the problems we encountered, the big picture is that really, mobile web is pretty dandy right now, and getting dandier. It could be more reliable, faster, maybe a little more versatile, but for the most part, yes, you can access the internet on your phone. Compared to just two years ago, that's really saying something. We can't wait to see what it'll look like in two years. Maybe Internet Exploder will actually work. Nah, that's a little too sci-fi.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Brian
Posted November 20, 2008 10:40 PM
Opera is definitely the best browser so far for windows mobile.
But its still slow next to an iphone. I think it's the most disappointing thing about 3g phones, you've got supposedly good bandwidth but the browsers are still too slow for much practical use. Maybe hardware manufacturers need to agree a standard for a (flashable) firmware based rendering engine for web browsers to make these thing more snappier and provide truer always connected on the go feel. Currently I'm sort of connected if you give me 2-5 minutes to look something up on the web. It's still often quicker to wait from your pc to bootup and use a desktop browser than to navigate a few pages on your phone.
Nick
Posted December 22, 2008 10:34 AM
One point you ignored about Android's browser is that it apparently lacks a find-in-page feature, which occasionally makes for a seriously frustrating browsing experience. Also, the fact that the system uses the scroll wheel to jump between links on the page and finger-pointing to do scrolling seems utterly backwards. That said, of course, there are rumors (and videos) of an upcoming Flash 10 for Android, which would put it rather over the top in rendering.
cygnusx8
Posted 3:27 AM 20/11/08
Where's Palm?
cygnusx8
JohnDeere
Posted 3:27 AM 20/11/08
i want a phone with java so i can play runescape.
JohnDeere
Wess
Posted 3:27 AM 20/11/08
@Dylorian: Too bad no wi-fi. That was a deal breaker.
Wess
KassiaHaoe
Posted 3:27 AM 20/11/08
Useless Apple-Hugging Article overlooking any faults, ignoring different phones and browsers. Seriously, this is just "Let's take the iPhone, the G1, a cheap Blackberry and see which ones do better." Wtf Giz?
KassiaHaoe
Wess
Posted 3:25 AM 20/11/08
@Wess: Left, dammit. EDIT BUTTON.
Wess
jdbaile3
Posted 3:24 AM 20/11/08
ive liked my Instinct for the considered costs and cheaper plan that I have compared to some smartphones.
The browser is a little slow at times, but I don't find myself using it all that much anyway. Great phone if you want something more than a regular phone, but don't plan on using all of the features of a smartphone.
jdbaile3
Wess
Posted 3:24 AM 20/11/08
@Wess: If you look closely at the IE on WM you can see an advanced button in the middle right part of the screen. Advanced, lol, what could that lead to.
Wess
Geisrud
Posted 3:24 AM 20/11/08
I'm totally confused with times vs color coding.
Instinct takes 2+ min to load WSJ = Excellent, but Dare fails at 38 seconds (both red?)
Bold gets an excellent at 2.5 mins on Wiki (red), instinct does 52 sec (green)?
Geisrud
Bachblast
Posted 3:24 AM 20/11/08
one of the best articles yet. well presented including methodology. THIS is why Giz is the only page I spend to much time on.
Bachblast
Streaks
Posted 3:23 AM 20/11/08
If you guys do it again, you should definitely throw the Sprint HTC Touch Diamond into the mix. I enjoy great speeds with it using Opera and would love to see how it compared
Streaks
Ubik2501
Posted 3:23 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: Seconding this. I use Opera Mini on my BB Pearl, and it's leagues better than the BB's default browser.
Ubik2501
Kiamat
Posted 3:21 AM 20/11/08
@closhedbb: I love how the BB Storm commercials act like this is the first phone with a touch screen.
"Did I just click a screen? Is a screen supposed to click?" I dunno, but my gf's Vu has been doing that for months now!
Kiamat
Kiamat
Posted 3:20 AM 20/11/08
Ok, I give--what's the difference between a "feature phone" and a "smart phone"?
And I agree with theDreamer-while I love my iPhone 3G and Safari renders beautifully, it also crashes with appalling frequency and that should be noted. If I could get Mobile Firefox or Opera on my iPhone, I would in a heartbeat. I really hope they address this issue in 2.2.
And what's with all the onscreen buttons hogging the screen real estate for the Instinct browser!? Nice, big screen...teeny tiny web. WTF?
Kiamat
closhedbb
Posted 3:19 AM 20/11/08
@Eauboy: SQLGuru is right. The color is a visual grade of the load time for the page, and is not correlatied in any way with the word rating of the page's accuracy. We could have just read the time and made our own determination of the speed, but Giz added a color to make it quicker to see. A legend might have cleared it up, as perhaps I err to assume most Giz readers are clever enough to figure the system out with minimal effort and time.
closhedbb
taz20075
Posted 3:19 AM 20/11/08
No inclusion of Skyfire? I know it's in beta but there are plenty of users.
taz20075
Wess
Posted 3:19 AM 20/11/08
HHHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAHHAHA.... IE.
Wess
aeroworks
Posted 3:17 AM 20/11/08
Doesn't the "Real web" include flash?
aeroworks
RosaliaRhadamanthys
Posted 3:17 AM 20/11/08
I don't know if I'd personally give the iphone web browser an A-, seeing as it crashes on me on the slightest amount of load no matter what site I go to. It's officially the most unstable piece of software I've dealt with in a long while.
RosaliaRhadamanthys
chuloallen
Posted 3:16 AM 20/11/08
"Iphone crushes basically everything but Android's browser" and is missing Flash but gets a better grade? between taking time to zoom in as to not being able to run Flash i would rather be able to run Flash
chuloallen
smac1
Posted 3:14 AM 20/11/08
@OletheaEurystheus: Colour for speed, words for accuracy?
smac1
closhedbb
Posted 3:14 AM 20/11/08
I wish Giz could have gotten their hands on a BB Storm for this test...
Any chance of that happening soon?
closhedbb
EVEs_Mako
Posted 3:12 AM 20/11/08
Excellent research and information, Giz.
(hugs iPhone 3G)
EVEs_Mako
Dylorian
Posted 3:12 AM 20/11/08
you guys should have waited for the Storm to come out.
Dylorian
Hiphopopotamus
Posted 3:10 AM 20/11/08
That chart just made my brain hemorrhage a little.
Hiphopopotamus
SQLGuru
Posted 3:09 AM 20/11/08
@Eauboy: I believe that the word (Fail, Excellent, etc.) and the color are conveying two different pieces of information. One refers to the speed (word) and the other refers to the rendering quality (red bad, green good). Not necessarily the best *CHART* (not graph), but internally consistent.
SQLGuru
Glare
Posted 3:09 AM 20/11/08
I still would rather have the iPhone over any other phone.
Glare
theDreamer
Posted 3:09 AM 20/11/08
Sorry, but the Mobile Safari does not compare to Opera when on a proper phone. Try the HTC Touch Pro when using Opera and you will be very happy.
Yes this is all user opinions in the end, but after leaving both the EDGE iPhone and 3G iPhone for the HTC Touch Pro (on AT&T), Safari just feels lacking when compared to Opera on the right phone. Plus you should take into account the amazing amount of times Safari crashes while the stability of other web browsers is a step above (namely Opera).
theDreamer
Stang70Fastback
Posted 3:09 AM 20/11/08
@Eauboy: It's confusing at first, but it's just cause it has a slow load time (= red) but a very good render (= green). So red+green=yellow! Wait, that's not right...
Stang70Fastback
OletheaEurystheus
Posted 3:08 AM 20/11/08
ummm your graph is made of fail. The coloration makes no god damn sense.
OletheaEurystheus
wayno007
Posted 3:07 AM 20/11/08
Thanks, Giz, great article. You've given me another reason to swap my Curve in for a Bold.
wayno007
Eauboy
Posted 3:04 AM 20/11/08
Graph: fail and excellent = same color = fail
Eauboy
baltwade
Posted 3:46 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen: I agree. It seems like Apple and their fans have something against Flash. They downplay its usefulness and its presence on the internet and want to label it a dead technology. The fact of the matter is that if your browser can't render Flash then you're not getting the whole internet. Hell, it might as well be limited to mobile only sites.
baltwade
Eauboy
Posted 3:44 AM 20/11/08
@SQLGuru: I just want to look at the pretty colors!
Eauboy
John Mahoney
Posted 3:43 AM 20/11/08
Hey guys, sorry, the key to the charts could use a little explanation. Post updated, and here it is:
CHART KEY: Number value is time for complete page load in seconds; page rendering is rated from "Fail" to "Excellent" for each; and the color (red, yellow, green) indicates overall performance taking into account both speed and rendering accuracy: Green = good overall, Red = fail overall.
John Mahoney
hexydes
Posted 3:38 AM 20/11/08
@taz20075: Agreed. Also, no representation of the HTC Touch Pro is questionable as well...
hexydes
hexydes
Posted 3:37 AM 20/11/08
@Wess: You can argue all day long about this browser on that phone, and that browser on this phone, but one thing everyone can agree on? Internet Explorer is UNUSABLE on mobile devices, and shouldn't even be included in comparisons. Beta SkyFire works 1000 times better than "stable" mobile Internet Explorer. Microsoft should be utterly ashamed, and I don't care what new version they have coming out, this is why they fail, because they wait for everyone else to pass them by, and then try to play catch-up. That might have worked ten years ago when the Internet couldn't put better products in first place within a matter of weeks, and they could just bundle their apps in the next version of Windows to kill the competition, but it doesn't work today.
hexydes
tande04
Posted 3:36 AM 20/11/08
@KassiaHaoe: I don't think anyone would call the Bold "a cheap Blackberry".
tande04
hexydes
Posted 3:34 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: Thirded. I have both the Epix that was used, as well as the Touch Pro mentioned, and while Opera and the Epix work fine together, Opera and the Touch Pro work much better. Definitely pretty close to rivaling the iPhone and Mobile Safari.
My guess as far as the Epix is that because it is lacking memory, the web browsing experience is being held back. Why they didn't just put 256MB of memory in that thing is beyond me, because other than the memory limitations, it is a solid phone.
hexydes
tande04
Posted 3:34 AM 20/11/08
@Kiamat: I think they're acting like its the first touch screen that gives you the sensation of clicking a button. Your gf's VU hasn't been doing that. Its been vibrating but thats different from what they're talking about.
tande04
OletheaEurystheus
Posted 3:34 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: how can you even compare. only ONE phone has Safari, and from what I see with Opera, its really hit or miss depending on the phone you have. Some it works great on (though its website support still sucks) others its garbage on.
OletheaEurystheus
tande04
Posted 3:32 AM 20/11/08
@Wess: Why? In the review Giz said the same thing a lot of us have been saying...
tande04
Blackax
Posted 3:32 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: I have a X1 and I love opera, Its very fast and works very well, I tryed a friends iphone yesterday and safari just confused me, double clicking didn't want to zoom in on the screen
Blackax
grimdeath9740
Posted 3:32 AM 20/11/08
Not too bad beyond the fact the colors do not make any sense lol. I just ordered a G1 and should get it in the mail later this week, look forward to using it. All the videos I have seen for it zoom does seem less fluid then the iphone but I have hopes that this can be updated. My suggestion if they cannot add multi-touch: use a slider bar. It is a simple single touch solution that could be as fluid to use.
grimdeath9740
mdoublej
Posted 3:32 AM 20/11/08
Agreed! iPhones crashiness should at least lower it into the B range. It crashes daily for me.
mdoublej
jeepingeek
Posted 3:31 AM 20/11/08
The test help me to conclude that although it sucks that Verizon kills wifi on their phones I'm probably not going to notice. yeah I'm really not all that screwed after all! can't wait till the storm comes out!
jeepingeek
snitch29
Posted 3:31 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: Dude your right about Safari crashing a lot, and sure Opera mini has more features but even still is not better than Safari when in comes to real browsing.
snitch29
rcast1986
Posted 3:31 AM 20/11/08
I still don't get how the iPhone can get anything more than a 'B' without Flash support and all the crashes Safari suffers from. Lacking Flash changes a lot for me, since there are quite a few websites out there I can't go to, and an equal amount of content I can't see on the go. It's like having a really pretty, easy-to-use map of the United States that doesn't let you look up certain states. It might be awesome when you're traveling to places that are supported, but when you need to go to a state that isn't found on the map, it doesn't do you a whole lot of good.
rcast1986
mynameisjoe
Posted 4:09 AM 20/11/08
cmon IE we all want you to do better! You can do it if you really really try in winmo 7. Why doesn't MS just take IE 5 from windows 98 and port it to winmo? Phones are upto the specs now.
mynameisjoe
LJKelley
Posted 4:08 AM 20/11/08
I don't know how you got that YouTube render on IE, but it does render on my Tilt, albeit navigating is extremely slow. Second IE was not designed for the full web (point of this comparison) but for the Mobile Web, which I find it does well on (such as the Mobile YouTube).
But hands down for the full web, Opera is King. I own a iPod Touch, so I know what i'm talking about. Maybe if you used a HTC Windows Mobile phone you would understand this. Samsung aren't exactly known for Windows Mobile phones.
LJKelley
DreamWalker
Posted 4:06 AM 20/11/08
Yay G1! Plus Apple has an entire year headstart on refining their browser over Androids'. I love the fact that AT&T/Apple 3G is only slightly faster than T-Mo/G1 3G.. Now all the iPhone fanboi's can stfu about their "vastly superior" 3G network.
I never had that much of a problem with IE on my Dash running WinMo 6. I didn't have a data package so I just used WiFi but the pages were usually usable.. not proper, but usable.
DreamWalker
fsusmithc2
Posted 4:05 AM 20/11/08
+1 for Skyfire! I'm using it on my ATT Tilt (HTC Kaiser/TyTn II).
- a hojillion for mobile IE (although I seem to remember MS saying they're working on it)
fsusmithc2
icelight
Posted 4:04 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen: Seriously. This is the difference between an inconvenience (extra time to zoom) and an inability (handling Flash). Maybe it's easier to correct the latter (software vs. hardware update), but that's not the situation that exist right now. Personally, I would have flipped the grades of these two.
icelight
Ambiguous Blob 2.0
Posted 4:04 AM 20/11/08
@Streaks: OR, they could just throw in any smart phone by HTC! I found kind of funny, odd, and sour that they failed to include any in the comparison...
Ambiguous Blob 2.0
thisotherguy
Posted 4:03 AM 20/11/08
@Glare: Steve Jobs? Is that you?
thisotherguy
Aturayd
Posted 4:03 AM 20/11/08
Love the objective comparison of Opera 8.65 on a standard version of windows mobile instead of 9.5 on a VGA touch screen with flash lite 3.1 installed. I still think the best feature of that browser is the auto-text-resize on zoom.
Aturayd
TriggaHappy26
Posted 3:59 AM 20/11/08
I want a review of the Blackberry Storm's internet compared to the rest. That is the phone I am waiting for.
Verizon + Blackberry = Awesome!
The iPhone is not worth switching to AT&T for..
TriggaHappy26
ThisIsSharksTerriroty
Posted 3:58 AM 20/11/08
@SQLGuru: u have it EXACTLY backwards.....word is for rendering quality, color is for speed
e.g. the blackberry bold scored an Excellent that is red in the hubble on wiki test. well the bold loaded the page in 2min30sec on 3G
ThisIsSharksTerriroty
Scrum
Posted 3:56 AM 20/11/08
Glad to see the Dare didn't totally fail. I have really enjoyed it so far and find the interface pretty easy to use especially with the zoom buttons. FBook and Fantasy Football are easy to access, that's almost all I need!
Scrum
migsims
Posted 3:56 AM 20/11/08
oh almost forgot. ZOMG APPLE YAY!!! ZOMG IPHONE IS TEH BEST. Just to keep in line with the blatant apple ass licking.
migsims
Bachblast
Posted 3:55 AM 20/11/08
Oops, may have to resend my previous comment ...there are some glaring errors on times and labels of "excellent". There should be a clarification coming out ASAP. I messed up as well.
Bachblast
migsims
Posted 3:54 AM 20/11/08
Let's add in the fact that you guys also didn't even use:
A: A high end fast winmo phone.
B: No touchscreen winmo phone.
C: Didn't use a more recent version of opera.
Opera performance on my HTC Fuze is great. The beta version of opera running on it is fast.
You guys basically compared apples to oranges. FAIL.
migsims
kevininstereo
Posted 3:54 AM 20/11/08
where's the missing "crash" field?
kevininstereo
triggerx
Posted 3:50 AM 20/11/08
Bleh, 2nd page... I'll save my breath.
triggerx
Renegade Fanboy
Posted 4:28 AM 20/11/08
I agree with the overall results; but question the method!
- How YouTube is possible on the iPhone, if there is no Flash support? If that's the built-in app, then I hope that for others it was used also (e.g. Nokia E71 and all S60 phones have a dedicated application also, as does the iPhone.)
- Why do you need a menu or two for the magnifying effect on S60 phones, like E71? Just start to scroll and it automatically overlays the magnifying mode (or press 8 for not overlayed magnifying mode).
Nevertheless, as I said, the overall result is quite there. You cannot beat the big screen in user experience.
Renegade Fanboy
iAirmanshirk
Posted 4:26 AM 20/11/08
@KassiaHaoe:
What a loser, every time the iphone loses you people laugh and make fun of apple, every time it wins you deny that it could ever win. There is no winning with you anti-apple people, why don't you get a life and realize apple products are not all that bad, if not ahead of the curve. And BTW, g1 DOESN'T have flash yet. Get over it anti-apple fanboy
iAirmanshirk
theDreamer
Posted 4:24 AM 20/11/08
@imTheKing: I have not had any problems with a "laggy interface" or "laggy feedback" while using my phone. I am using 100% stock applications and the only time I feel it is slow is when I have to use an AT&T program but that is AT&T's crappy software, glad I do not have to use that very often.
I have read, in very limited spots, about people feeling the TouchFlow is a bit slow, but I so far disagree completely.
theDreamer
grendyll
Posted 4:23 AM 20/11/08
@Streaks: Agreed. With the scroll--to-zoom feature of the Diamond/Pro, Opera beats crap-all out of everything else tested, IMHO.
Diamond/Pro + Opera FTW
grendyll
imTheKing
Posted 4:21 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: You fail to mention the horribly lagging feedback from the Touch via its Windows Mobile OS.
imTheKing
Jasontrainer
Posted 4:21 AM 20/11/08
@ThisIsSharksTerriroty: Nope yer wrong too, or as china would put it: Your both right! yay happy fun time! Presents for all competitors.
If the page loaded quickly but rendered poorly it got a red color. If it rendered well but took a long time it got a red color hence the fast load time but
"Fail" render quality for the LG on WSJ and the SLooow load time but excellent render quality for the Bold on Hubble.
Both red.
It is hard to make 2m30s read like "Fail" because you have to imagine sitting there for 2 whole minutes while your phone pulls up the page which in the end is a total fail (and a red color) no matter how pretty the result is.
Jasontrainer
misterwho
Posted 4:20 AM 20/11/08
LOL @ F-
misterwho
k4ffy
Posted 4:20 AM 20/11/08
i think # of crashes per hour should be taken into account. if you so much as whisper while safari is loading a heavy page, a crash is pretty much guaranteed.
k4ffy
blankmind13
Posted 4:15 AM 20/11/08
honestly giz, i dont know what you see in her. her being safari.
from my own experience with the iphone and many different winmo phones with opera i have found them to be on par. i cant undertstand why the fact that safari has multitouch zooming is what sets it above the rest. i mean my friggin tilt can zoom in and out just by double tapping. it takes the same amount of time if not quicker, and it is also just as effective.
Also in my opinion, the ability to have a desktop web experience is nice thing to have on your phone. but your still using a phone. i have both the new opera and old opera i think 8.5, and i almost always use the old one because it makes everything easier to read and find on such a small device. especially for things like facebook. its a pain to browse and pan across facebook, i think its much easier to browse in a single column view. but thats just me.
blankmind13
misterwho
Posted 4:13 AM 20/11/08
@Eauboy: How do you expect to get a gold star next to your name if you talk like that.
misterwho
AmishJohn
Posted 4:13 AM 20/11/08
Please. How many people are actually surprised by Apple 'winning' here? Anyone? Bueller?
You had a chance to be honest, and at least tie the Android and the iPhone. Instead, it's the same ol', um, 'Apple' polishing.
Enjoy the kickback check, guys.
AmishJohn
RobotVampire
Posted 4:13 AM 20/11/08
@taz20075: Also, what about NetFront, Iris, Deepfish, etc on WM6.1? We all knew Mobile IE sucks, no news there.
RobotVampire
dean56
Posted 4:12 AM 20/11/08
interesting but as usual missing many elements, like the skyfire browser. as the gentleman said before, i would rather have flash. my little nokia n82 uses the skyfire browser and displays flash perfectly
dean56
jopari
Posted 4:11 AM 20/11/08
@LJKelley: The article is "Which Phones Deliver The Real Web", not "Which Phones Deliver The Mobile Web".
jopari
logicalnoise
Posted 4:09 AM 20/11/08
skyfire is teh best browser on the windows mobile platform and runs very smooth on my HTC touch that's right just a plain ole touch.
logicalnoise
GertrudePaddum
Posted 4:05 AM 20/11/08
people always seem to forget that apple invented multi-touch and has like a bazillion patents on it... so if you're holding your breath for non-apple devices to implement that any time soon... uh... what a nice shade of blue =)
GertrudePaddum
AXSLV2
Posted 4:00 AM 20/11/08
I believe colors are for speed, words are for accuracy... but everybody know Iphone is the upper winner
AXSLV2
Bailen
Posted 4:42 AM 20/11/08
I think its: number is speed, words are accuracy, colour is an average of the two somehow
Bailen
SatyaLelex
Posted 4:41 AM 20/11/08
@Geisrud: "Excellent" refers to how accurately it rendered the page, it doesn't have anything to do with the speed. Color rates the speed. Notice how green correlates to smaller numbers and red correlates to big numbers in your example?
SatyaLelex
chrism123
Posted 4:41 AM 20/11/08
I wish someone would just port IE4 or Netscape Navigator 4 to WM. My phone has more memory, a faster CPU and the same resolution as the PC I ran those on.
chrism123
JeffPom
Posted 4:38 AM 20/11/08
Would have loved to see pictures of the same site on each browser...
JeffPom
EL_RIEL
Posted 4:38 AM 20/11/08
@wayno007: but BOLD is FAIL.. Wat?
EL_RIEL
beardedkid
Posted 4:36 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: It's not safari that is prone to crashes, it's the entire iphone...
beardedkid
eddiecoaster
Posted 4:36 AM 20/11/08
@KassiaHaoe:
Cheap Blackberry? The Bold costs $549-649, that's triple the cost of an iPhone 3G.
eddiecoaster
ottermann
Posted 4:35 AM 20/11/08
Hmm.....seeing a lot of people complaining about Safari crashing a lot.
Now, I don't have an iPhone, only an iPod Touch, and I run Safari on WiFi, but I have yet to have it crash on me once.
Also, not to sure I understand why everyones so upset about lack of Flash support.
Sure, Flash will be nice when it gets released for the iPhone, but, c'mon....it's a fucking phone. PornTube can't wait till you get to your desktop/laptop?
iPhone sucks because of lack of Flash support.....who want's cheese with their whine?
ottermann
surur
Posted 4:34 AM 20/11/08
From the screen shot it is clear you are using Opera Mobile 8.65 which is now a few years old. Why dont you try Opera Mobile 9.5, which has been released on production handsets all over North America, for a review view of what Mobile Browsing should look like.
surur
misterwho
Posted 4:33 AM 20/11/08
@hexydes: More like fiftheded.
misterwho
SatyaLelex
Posted 4:33 AM 20/11/08
@Kiamat: Exactly, the screen clicks sort of like it's a big button., nothing like current touch screen phones. It's pretty cool, makes typing on a touch screen very easy for a newbie.
SatyaLelex
chrism123
Posted 4:31 AM 20/11/08
I have a touch pro, and must say that it's glaringly absent from this review.
I actually am not a fan of Opera. I find it extremely slow. IE actually works better in my opinion.
Too bad we can't get IE 6 for WM.
chrism123
SatyaLelex
Posted 4:29 AM 20/11/08
@OletheaEurystheus: It takes about 5 seconds to figure out. Color represents how fast it loaded the page for a quick reference. The words indicate how accurately it loaded the page. Apparently speed is valued over accuracy based on how the chart is set up.
SatyaLelex
ShubhaMelpomene
Posted 3:32 AM 20/11/08
You can press the "8" on the E71 to instantly zoom in and out in one keypress. Oh, and why no Skyfire? It's multiplatform and blows every other web browser away with it's pre-rendered pages. 5 second page loads (15 on EDGE), silverlight and flash support.
ShubhaMelpomene
Anthemx
Posted 3:16 AM 20/11/08
I think the colour is related to the speed.
The Excellent/good/bad is related to how well the page was rendered when it came up...
Works for me ;)
Anthemx
miguelggarcia
Posted 5:07 AM 20/11/08
What about the HTC Touch pro? I'm considering to get that phone with sprint's simply everything... I know, I know, Sprint... I've had them for about a year and no complaints.
miguelggarcia
ronreal
Posted 5:01 AM 20/11/08
How can you make this extensive comparison, when the iphone can't deliver Adobe Flash? I have an iphone, and it probably is the best of the bunch, but it's frustrating that it can't play Adobe Flash.
ronreal
Waka in Japan
Posted 5:00 AM 20/11/08
@snitch29: dude, is that irony?
I mean, "yes, safari crashes, and it doesnt have features" BUT ITS BETTER :D
even if you're not joking, it's a good imitation of a fanboy
Waka in Japan
chefgon
Posted 4:59 AM 20/11/08
I use the web browser on my G1 a lot, but I have never bothered with zooming. It seems like Zooming is one of the biggest issues for Gizmodo but I've found it to be a fairly pointless feature. The browser does an awesome job of reformatting pages so that columns of text happen to be the exact width of your screen, and if you really need to navigate to another location of a huge page then the magnifying glass will do the job.
chefgon
indiefab
Posted 4:59 AM 20/11/08
A few million Treo users would like to know why you didn't test a Palm device.
indiefab
ZitaNeoptolemus
Posted 4:53 AM 20/11/08
The omission of phones with actually good browsers like the N95, the Touch Pro, the Diamond, the Storm and the OMNIA automatically makes this biased. And aside from the color coding not making any sense, the G1 actually won in the speed tests if you look at the chart yourselves...the G1 received excellent all across the board and one Good...same as the iPhone so how does one get a higher rating if this is supposed to be unbiased? Loading Gizmodo the iPhone received a GOOD while the G1 received an excellent. The iPhone received an excellent for Wikipedia and the G1 got GOOD. Now the same went for when it was on Wifi, except when you actually look at the load times, the iPhone took 28.1s to load the National Geographic which should've made it GOOD while the G1 took 18.5s which got the correct rating, which is excellent. Now if that is not an error or if it not biased then how the hell did the iPhone get an A- and the G1 get a B+?
ZitaNeoptolemus
chuloallen
Posted 4:52 AM 20/11/08
@icelight:
in this article [blog.wired.com] it explains why apple wont do flash. it comes down to money.
they say " No Flash means that the iPhone browser is incapable of displaying a large portion of the internet"
Gizmodo was a fun good site, but you cant deny that there is this overwhelming lean to any Apple product. This review in point. " Iphone looks good but cant do any Flash site (which the MAJORITY of websites use for their multimedia content) but look how well it zooms in and out!"
For information and new things i will come to this site, but for fair informative reviews i would rather not put much stock in Gizmodo
chuloallen
2-7offsuit will blatantly pander to you with a ridiculously long
Posted 4:50 AM 20/11/08
The browser on the Dare is horrible. Good luck clicking any links on the page you're trying to look at.
2-7offsuit will blatantly pander to you with a ridiculously long name so that you add him as a friend and he gets a gold star.
chuloallen
Posted 5:22 AM 20/11/08
@ZitaNeoptolemus: cause the G1 is not an Apple
chuloallen
hofodude
Posted 5:22 AM 20/11/08
No HTC Touch Pro? HTC Touch HD?
Oh right ... this is Gizmodo, no surprise they are leaning towards Apple.
hofodude
y2julio
Posted 5:19 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen: I Agree.
y2julio
izzaboo
Posted 5:19 AM 20/11/08
@izzaboo:
(But it still looks pretty damned good on the Delve. Not super fast, but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp MOTOROKR z6m!)
izzaboo
Wess
Posted 5:14 AM 20/11/08
@tande04: I don't get 3G everywhere and abroad the costs are expensive.
Wess
izzaboo
Posted 5:14 AM 20/11/08
Lots of phones left out.
HTC offerings?
Samsung Delve, just as an example of what a $100 phone can do.
But, basically, if Alltel carries it, Gizmodo assumes nobody uses it.
pffft.
btw, one of the worst websites to load on mobile browsers, imo, is gizmodo.com. so there. take that. ha!
izzaboo
HubertTurco
Posted 4:58 AM 20/11/08
Thanks for not testing skyfire. Where you giving it a chance until it came out of beta? anyways awesome review. Safari mobile is still king and the standard. Bold and storm may take lead but we will wait and see. opera is great only compared to safari. How about giving a review of skyfire prebeta version? I think its a world better that the beta. Find it, try it and see what im talking about.
HubertTurco
HumphreyWellwood
Posted 4:58 AM 20/11/08
the reason the browser was so slow on the nokia is possibly because it has a much slower processor.. the iphone has a 600MHz processor and the android sowehere over the 500MHz, while the nokia has a 370MHz processor, not to mention not as much ram as the duo.
HumphreyWellwood
im_a_pc
Posted 4:38 AM 20/11/08
a surprisingly fair analysis, but sorry matt, flash is part of the real web whether you want to acknowledge it or not. how does that not knock the jesusphone out of 'A' range? better yet, how does that give it justification to be included in this survey of options?
im_a_pc
forbetaorworse
Posted 4:36 AM 20/11/08
IE will always be an epic fail no matter what platform it's on. I still shudder every time I find IE on one of the old macs at work.
forbetaorworse
matt buchanan
Posted 5:46 AM 20/11/08
@Dylorian: We'll include it in an addendum on Friday.
matt buchanan
matt buchanan
Posted 5:45 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: We'll be doing an addendum Friday with the Storm and another WinMo phone with Opera 9.5 baked in.
matt buchanan
getz76
Posted 5:41 AM 20/11/08
@beardedkid: Yup. No Flash means no real interent. Mobile Safari's crashtastic nature doesn't help either.
Giving Mobile Safari an A-, even on a relative rating, means I give the author the F.
getz76
edgan
Posted 5:35 AM 20/11/08
@RosaliaRhadamanthys:
Turn off javascript and it will only crash once a week instead of once per session. Yes, a lot of content on some sites won't load, but it is so much more stable it is a small price to pay.
edgan
JChristopher
Posted 5:32 AM 20/11/08
@SatyaLelex: No. Time is an entity by itself and just gives the rendering time. "Excellent" refers to rendering. The color is the total experience. Read the key. Please.
JChristopher
bpm2000
Posted 5:32 AM 20/11/08
@Ambiguous Blob 2.0:
x2
bpm2000
thetunecatt
Posted 5:30 AM 20/11/08
@taz20075: Seriously!! That is the best browser ever. The newest version is excellent and loads fast even on my shitty Motorola Q.
It is in open beta, and I have never had it crash, whereas my Opera Mobile has crashed several times in the past year of having the phone. Plus it renders full flash!! Cant top it. At least try it people... Its free!
thetunecatt
TBM-Fan
Posted 6:03 AM 20/11/08
@snitch29: Opera Mini FTW
never encountered a problem with Opera
and Safari.... it lacks too much
TBM-Fan
xsecretfiles2
Posted 6:02 AM 20/11/08
@Glare:
while we all love our iphones, lets not fool everyone
damn safari crashes after 30 minutes of usage
xsecretfiles2
xsecretfiles2
Posted 6:00 AM 20/11/08
How about another test. which browser crashes the most?
I believe the iphone is the winner once again!
xsecretfiles2
ghim
Posted 5:56 AM 20/11/08
This discussion is incomplete without HTC Touch.
ghim
Jack T. Chance
Posted 5:55 AM 20/11/08
This article is decent, but as in other smart phone comparison articles here on Gizmodo, the author has completely overlooked some of the most popular "alternative" smart phones around, namely Danger's HipTop/T-Mobile's Sidekick, and Palm's Treo devices. These are devices that MANY smart phone users have chosen, so they should be included in these articles as well.
Jack T. Chance
y2julio
Posted 5:49 AM 20/11/08
@GertrudePaddum: Wrong. They just bought a company that was involved with multi-touch.
y2julio
wngchng87
Posted 6:28 AM 20/11/08
Matt, I understood your charts, its not confusing
wngchng87
imTheKing
Posted 6:20 AM 20/11/08
@theDreamer: Funny you say that. The 5 Touch handsets we got here at work lagged right out of the box. Touch screen is super late on feedback, the phone froze a few times just opening its own media player.
imTheKing
kall
Posted 6:19 AM 20/11/08
i would suggest you put opera mini (on a phone with a halfway decent Java VM) in there. It may appear to us geeks like a bad choice, because it's proxy based.
But when you try it, well, my pages never load in like 4 sec over EDGE, they don't really load faster over 3G or WiFi, but still. On some lucky days, browsing is almost instant, like on the desktop.
It doesn't support all that scripting and stuff (skyfire does, i guess. But I can't really tell because i'm European. Fuck you Skyfire!) but it's way more usable then any other mobile browser i've tried. Even compared to that of the iphone.
And the best thing is: This thing even runs on a 2 year old feature phone, that cost you 120 € (unlocked) back then.
I currently have a high end nokia s60 phone and still use opera mini. There is no excuse for that shitty s60 Web browser.
kall
RobSchoenfeld
Posted 6:48 AM 20/11/08
What kind of crap is this test what about a real winmo device like a Touch Pro/Diamond what about skyfire and iris which are way faster then Opera and could even give Safari a run for it money. If you want to kiss Apple's ass just say so.
RobSchoenfeld
ypctx
Posted 6:47 AM 20/11/08
@EVEs_Mako: I can't believe there's really no alternative to the iPhone - all the other phones look like falling 5 years behind in development - considering the external design, the browser UI, navigation, etc.
(also hugs iPhone 3G)
ypctx
ypctx
Posted 6:45 AM 20/11/08
@xsecretfiles2: I've disabled Safari plugins, cleared the caches, restarted the phone and it stopped crashing.. it will probably start at some point but this is a temporary solution.
ypctx
theDreamer
Posted 6:31 AM 20/11/08
@imTheKing: Touch v. Touch Pro, maybe there was an updated interface or better optimization in the Touch Pro. I do not know, but I know my Touch Pro is working great and the only person I know with a Touch is in the UK and he actually got me to almost buy the Touch but I waited for the Touch Pro for the keyboard.
theDreamer
Canoehead
Posted 6:31 AM 20/11/08
Granted I have the old iPhone, but my browser has become incredibly crash-happy lately, especially when browsing over wifi.
Canoehead
N@tedog
Posted 6:28 AM 20/11/08
@Bailen: Correctamundo. Less is more.
N@tedog
draiko
Posted 7:08 AM 20/11/08
so I call foul!
draiko
draiko
Posted 7:07 AM 20/11/08
3. you didn't use skyfire
draiko
draiko
Posted 7:06 AM 20/11/08
This test is kinda slanted...
1. You didn't use the Touch Diamond or Pro
2. You used Opera mobile 8.65 when 9.5 is out
draiko
Dearhaw
Posted 7:02 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen:
I've owned an iPhone for almost 1.5 years now. And while at first I thought the lack of Flash was a fairly serious issue, I think in those 1.5 years I've come across maybe 2 websites that required Flash and left me disappointed. In the mean time, I don't know how many Flash ads I was spared of.
Not trying to justify the lack of Flash on the iPhone, but for some people who frequent Flash required sites, I'm sure it's a drag, but for people like me, the lack of Flash is really, a very very minor issue.
Dearhaw
exwindchaser
Posted 6:58 AM 20/11/08
Wow what a great article! Someone call consumer reports.
exwindchaser
ypctx
Posted 6:55 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen: until there's an ad-block for Safari mobile, Flash would just be a battery eater / CPU hog.
Altough I can't disagree that Flash is necessary to view the whole web, in the future I'd like Flash (and Silveright and Java plugin) to go away, and instead have proper animation/sound/etc. support in the browser itself. Which is what will happen.
ypctx
dontTouch
Posted 7:24 AM 20/11/08
I would of never thought that Giz would rate an apple product highest... hmm...silly me.
dontTouch
Bruhaha
Posted 7:12 AM 20/11/08
Novel idea:
Green = Excellent
Yellow = Good
Red = Fail
That way I wouldn't have to pop the 2 Advil from my headache of trying to read that chart.
Bruhaha
encyclia
Posted 7:43 AM 20/11/08
I can't get gizmodo.com to "render" correctly half the time I come to the site on my PC, so I'm not surprised that a phone would have trouble.
encyclia
devilonsteroids
Posted 7:41 AM 20/11/08
@Glare: Word.
devilonsteroids
winkydink
Posted 7:31 AM 20/11/08
How about rating which one can load the most pages in a row without crashing? I'm sure you'd find the iPhone on the bottom of that list. You'd certainly find mine there at least.
winkydink
eno
Posted 8:04 AM 20/11/08
Shame other handheld web devices (Nokia N810, Sony Mylo) are not compared. All these browsers require constant pan and zoom to read anything. I rarely have to zoom on the N810 - that 800px wide screen is the reason.
eno
Dreamwriter
Posted 7:50 AM 20/11/08
@chuloallen: Maybe you should take note that Android's browser doesn't support Flash either...
Dreamwriter
sbrown23
Posted 8:30 AM 20/11/08
@aeroworks:
FTW
sbrown23
sbrown23
Posted 8:30 AM 20/11/08
@edgan:
Wow, you have to turn shit off to make it work?
sbrown23
sbrown23
Posted 8:29 AM 20/11/08
@ypctx:
I would be interested in a retest, including the AT&T Fuze when IE6 for Windows Mobile is out. I'm wondering how it would compare against mobile Safari and Android, not to mention the assy current mobile IE.
sbrown23
vinnydasnake
Posted 8:28 AM 20/11/08
I tested several of these sites with Skyfire and the results were better than any browser listed above. Pulled Gizmodo in less than 25 seconds!
Too many posts to see if this already been said (which I am sure it already has).
vinnydasnake
Digitallysick
Posted 8:26 AM 20/11/08
@undefined:
The htc touch pro is a horrible phone opera sucks on it. Its slow, hard to control and touch.
Safari on the iphone beats them all in ease of use and speed
Digitallysick
ItsDon
Posted 8:17 AM 20/11/08
New firmware available for Instinct is available right now. It finally allows you to use Opera Mini as Srint has finally fixed the LCDUI to give you a keyboard. Opera Mini 4.2 in landscape mode on the Instinct rocks!
ItsDon
mr. Hi-Definition
Posted 8:16 AM 20/11/08
Of course mobile safari is the best. Anyone who has used all these browsers could have told you that. But I think there will be a better browser out there pretty soon. Hopefully Skyfire or Firefox Mobile can take this challenge head on. I can't wait to see a browser with true flash support. That would probably be the browser I choose.
Please Opera or Skyfire make a build compatible with the Blackberry Storm because that is probably gonna be my new phone...
mr. Hi-Definition
dsevil
Posted 8:13 AM 20/11/08
@Streaks: This is an article comparing mobile phone platforms and browsers, not individual phones.
dsevil
SilasEspesh
Posted 8:12 AM 20/11/08
@matt buchanan: By "baked in," I do hope you mean by the manufacturer. Full-on Opera Mobile is only non-beta on select phones such as the Diamond and Touch Pro. In my experience it's stellar on official devices, but has been crashtastic on unofficial/lower RAM devices.
For those chomping at the bit, there's a mobile browser speed test video here.
SilasEspesh
thebear91
Posted 8:11 AM 20/11/08
geez, I can barely stand browsing on a 12" screen. I've got an ipod touch and while browsing is a neat feature, it certainly is not the #1 reason to get a phone. My list would go something like this.
1. reception. How good is the antenna
2. speaker. How does it sound
3. battery life. Charging every 3 hours is not fun.
4. internet feature, email.
5. other useful apps, maps, GPS, etc.
6. internet feature, browser.
Giz does a good job comparing browsers, which is what the article is about. Maybe a little bit of bias toward what they have in their pockets. (iphones, I'm sure)
thebear91
draiko
Posted 8:56 AM 20/11/08
The Touch Pro is an awesome phone. No lag issues here and Opera is awesome on it.
Flash Lite 3.1 is coming along nicely as well.
Skyfire is even better, but it's buggy on all VGA devices.
draiko
chuloallen
Posted 8:45 AM 20/11/08
@Dreamwriter: doesnt right now , but will soon [gizmodo.com]
chuloallen
tek
Posted 9:06 AM 20/11/08
Where's Skyfire in the list of tested browsers?
tek
alukard
Posted 9:03 AM 20/11/08
I thought appl had put a stop to anyone having multitouch mobiles due to their patent. isnt that why even though HTC Touch and G1 have it, they cant use it cos' of legal issues?
alukard
reckless_inoz
Posted 9:49 AM 20/11/08
This is probably futile but I'm still holding out a little hope for the iPhone version of Opera.
reckless_inoz
Bachblast
Posted 9:34 AM 20/11/08
@JChristopher: OOOOOOHHHHHHHHH, that's what the colors mean. guess I shoulda' paid closer attention.
Bachblast
rrwakc
Posted 9:32 AM 20/11/08
and where is mobile firefox or minimo?
rrwakc
TonyBravo
Posted 10:33 AM 20/11/08
@jdbaile3:
update your phone the instinct just got opera mini 4.2 fully working on it. :D
TonyBravo
Narfmaster
Posted 11:17 AM 20/11/08
Great article, cheers Giz.
Narfmaster
mrwumasta
Posted 10:55 AM 20/11/08
This just proves that all phones have shitty browsers. Sorry, but no flash support kills any major web-browsing for me.
mrwumasta
shakes
Posted 1:28 PM 20/11/08
@taz20075: Agreed Skyfire is where it is at on WinMo. I dont think i could stand my blackjack without it. Also its not fair to test IE on non mobile sites its not built for it
shakes
Andham
Posted 3:42 PM 20/11/08
FAVORITISM!!!
I think giz didn't include skyfire because they only want to award an A to the iPhone.
C'mon, not everybody is cool and has an iPhone.
But no, really. Not including proxy based browsers? I think its the best option for phones. Isn't it similar to cloud computing? Or am I mistaken on that concept.
Andham
pure241
Posted 4:21 PM 20/11/08
A mobile browser is a mobile browser. Skyfire is a mobile browser that does flash better than any browser except for possibly android once it comes out. Which means it does flash better All of them right now. Most of all, it "renders" most sites like it looks on my desktop. Tell me why it was omitted again?
pure241
WillaEspish
Posted 3:29 PM 20/11/08
The instinct just got an OS upgrade that lets opera mini work (and other java apps). Opera uses a bandwidth reducing proxy that scales the pages better for the phone screen and speeds things up.
WillaEspish
sxr7171
Posted 4:29 PM 20/11/08
@Dearhaw: Yeah I have Flash support and its a pain really on a mobile device. I want data not moving images on the go. The ads get annoying too. The only thing flash is nice for is to get the WHOLE youtube.
sxr7171
sxr7171
Posted 4:25 PM 20/11/08
To be fair to the S60 browser and the Opera browser you have to test them with Flash disabled. It slows down the rendering by a lot on sites with Flash content and Flash ads. The other browsers don't have that capability.
sxr7171
jimtravis
Posted 5:53 PM 20/11/08
I realize the test included full websites only; however, many mobile device users get tired of the constant panning, scrolling, and zooming reguired to view a full desktop site on a mobile device. On devices with a less than 7" screen, I prefer the mobile web, and judging by a recent NY Times article, many other mobile device users do as well. Unless a mobile site is designed for the iPhone, or the developer has added a Viewport meta-tag, mobile Safari has trouble displaying some single column webpages with a readable text size. In portrait mode, some single column pages are totally unreadable with mobile Safari, and, at best, have a 8 or 9 point font in landscape mode. Your choice is to read with too small a font, or pinch zoom. Pinch zoom does not reflow the text, so the dreaded horizontal scrolling is required to read each line. The same problem occurs with some iPhone apps, and single column HTML emails.
Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, and NetFront display multi-column, single column, and mobile webpages fine. They may not be quite as slick as mobile Safari, but they do render full pages as well as mobile Safari based on extensive use of all the mentioned browsers, and render many single column pages significantly better than mobile Safari. IE does not display multi-column webpages very well, but it is one of the best for mobile, or single column websites. Even though I have all the major browsers on my WM devices, IE is used about 85% of the time due to my preference for mobile sites which do not require panning (just another name for horizontal scrolling).
During your next browser evaluation , try viewing Craigslist, one of the top 10 English language websites, and various generic (non-iphone specific) mobile websites. Chances are you will have to decide between reading with too small a font for comfortable reading, or horizontally scroll to read each line with mobile Safari on some sites while all other browsers including IE display Craigslist, and the mobile sites fine at your preferred text sizes. If users wanted to view only desktop websites, the recent proliferation of iPhone specific websites which eliminate panning (aka horizontal scrolling) would not have happened.
Viewing the full web was possible before the iPhone. Using NetFront 3.3 on a 4" WM device, I regularly viewed the full desktop site for my checking account including viewing pictures of cancelled checks.. This was 6 months before the iPhone was announced, and NetFront supported all required viewing, and security profiles. Now, the bank has a mobile site, but in 2006, the only option was the full desktop site.
jimtravis