Change? For what? I want the next 4 years to look like the previous miserable 8! McCain FTW!

Earthslide

I propose an already proposed drinking game. Republicans, a drink for every mention of the word "change", Democrats, a drink for every "maverick"

Con Seannery

@OMG! Ponies!: Don't count McCain out just yet, I mean, sure he's hopelessly behind and the smear campaign of McCain = Bush is working and Obama can talk all purdyful and such and McCain has a hopeless VP and, bah, who am I kidding, Obama's got this one. But still, they actually go to a vote for a reason...

Con Seannery

Dugg down as irrelevant.

FiveThiryEight shows polling numbers strongly in favor of Sen. Obama with a projected 345 electoral votes and InTrade shows an even wider margin.

Unless Sen. Obama invites Rev. Jeremiah Wright on stage to cook crippled babies over a fire of burning flags and Bibles, the race is over.

OMG! Ponies!

It's good to see that all us joe six packs on the Interent can experience some change by watching debates online.

Toastie

Well hello you're chiguagua mija??

elpapi

[current.com]

biglou69

I've been watching the debates on CNN.com. They also show a lot of campaign rallies during the day. I actually watch live streaming video on CNN all day at work in a small window in the top right of my screen and people that come into my sop are often amazed and intrigued by it.

However this HULU broadcast looks good too, as I'm a big HULU fan.

se7a7n7

Will I watch at all?

TheMurderer

@Con Seannery: Don't confuse the poor dears. Republican = "bad", Democrat = "good", OK?

middy

@Poon: What about the bullshit McCain't sputters during the entire debate. "terrorists terrorists terrorists!" "I support our military leader and blah blah blah Iraq needs to succeed and blah blah blah". Sure does sound like George Bush.

imTheKing

@Kharnellius: no, i'm just saying let's call it a systemic problem like it is, instead of blaming one person or group for somehow screwing everything up

jakebathman

I love how McCain is actually very liberal, just running on a Republican ticket, yet everyone says he's just like Bush, who is fairly conservative...

Con Seannery

@Con Seannery: That means that the Democrats would be drunk by the hands of Sarah Palin no?

imTheKing

@Poon: I believe that Sen. McCain's economic advisor Phil Gramm had something to do with it too. Or does the word "deregulation" not ring a bell?

OMG! Ponies!

@jakebathman: You're right...better to keep quiet about such a thing.

Kharnellius

@Maksimir: we should put a bullet in those white hooded tunic idiots first. Better yet, lets send them to school and let them learn a thing or two.

imTheKing

@Maksimir: @nickexperience:

What gives you gentlemen that feeling? Is it the crowd at Gov. Palin's rally yesterday calling Sen. Obama a terrorist? Or is it the crowd at Sen. McCain's rally yelling out "Kill him!" when Sen. McCain mentioned Sen. Obama's name?

OMG! Ponies!

@nickexperience: This is what scares me the most - I have a very bad feeling that if Obama is close to winning or wins, some good ole boy with a white tunic is going to put a bullet in him.

Maksimir

@Poon: I'm so glad you've studied up on the background of all of this, and decided to shame someone for blaming a politician by blaming a politician

jakebathman

@Poon: McCain & Depression FTW! Go Mavs!

Earthslide

back to the topic and not a debate with idiots, I will be watching on good ol' fashioned channel 25 (CNN)

I like the dial graphs at the bottom, they just look pretty

jakebathman

@OMG! Ponies!: Don't underestimate the power of American racism when no one's around to see it, i.e. when they're alone in the voting booth...

nickexperience

The sad truth is the Obama and his ACORN folks are at the root of the current economic collapse. Over decades, constantly hounding the lenders via lobbying in the federal government, ala Sen.'s Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd, bullying and finally compelling lenders to offer for high-risk loans to low-income, risky borrowers. The rest is before you today. McCain and then Pres. Clinton, (Bill) wanted reform and regulation back in Clinton's terms but the Democratic party flatly rejected it. The irony is voters are blaming McCain due to the simply party affiliation. So much for the informed American voter.

Poon

Sen. McCain is officially fucked tonight. Four milestones that were just hit in the last half-hour:

* Dow closed below 9500.
* S&P closed below 1000.
* Ford closed below $3.
* GM closed below $8.

No one cares about Iraqis half a world away. They care about their 401k, health care, and whether government plans that they now or may soon count on are getting cut.

It is and will remain the economy, stupid.

OMG! Ponies!

@Con Seannery:: John McCain : Reformed Maverick --- via daily show -- [beltwayblips.com]

onewiththewurlitzer

At the bar ... $2.50 Tuesdays!

onewiththewurlitzer

@middy: "Strategery Maverick Russia Alaska Maverick Strategery Maverick Maverick" and I quote.

MikeSWelch

Hulu is streaming it live.

I'll probably check it out there.

DW

@imTheKing: I think you're confused. McCain doesn't sputter "terrorist terrorist terrorist". Palin's supporters yell terrorist when she mentions Obama's name.

Because they are ignorant racist fucks.

OMG! Ponies!

@imTheKing: Examples?

middy

@imTheKing: Education is the only real cure, though killing KKK's would me more fun. Unfortunately you end up making them martyrs through death. Though I am also not opposed to a little Clockwork Orange treatment mixed in with a dabble of waterboarding.

Maksimir

@Con Seannery: Oh come on. Did you listen to him speak? The guy said the same exact shit Bush did in office. Its the same regurgitated bullshit.

imTheKing

@Con Seannery: Hot damn. I'm in.

Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E

@jakebathman: same it's tv for me as well, channel 712 nbchd ... they are covering it right

lilaliendog

@CmooreInOR: See, that's the thing I don't understand about McCain's strategy. They're planning on spending offshore and spend helping the domestic economy at the same time?

ripfire

am I the only one who still has a pair of rabbit ears? Can't remember the last time I watched something on those babies and had to deal with buffering...

510DustMite

@ripfire: He wanted to keep the 'maverick' theme running. While she doesn't have a lot of experience, her ratio of being a "maverick" to time in office, is quite high.

Bladefist

@OMG! Ponies!: Why o why did McCain ever chose Palin to be the running mate, I would never know.

ripfire

@OMG! Ponies!: good point... and I agree McCain is fucked but I am pretty sure that 10 billion a month we are spending halfway around the world could come in handy right about now.

CmooreInOR

@nickexperience: I love how when people don't vote for Obama it's racism. But when you don't vote for Palin, it's not sexism?

Is it possible people don't vote for him because he has the least amount of experience in the history of president candidates? Is it possible people will think twice in the booth about a risk candidate, vs, a guy who we all know, and can predict?

Is it racist that 95% of black people support him? Oh I love how you play the race card, to guilt people into voting for him, to prove to themselves they aren't racist. I'll be voting for McCain, because I'm agist. I hate people who are 47.

Bladefist

@onewiththewurlitzer: Tempting. But I'd rather spend my beer money on shares of Ford Motor Company.

Let me put it this way:

You have $3 in your wallet. Which do you buy? A gallon of economy unleaded or 1 share of Ford stock?

OMG! Ponies!

@ripfire: Because he figured he could get Hillary voters and Christian Conservatives in one fell swoop. He failed to realize that a pro-Hillary Christian Conservative is a fictional animal.

He would have been far better served by selecting Gov. Huckabee who tied for second in the Republican primary, is unassailable on family values, appeals to Christian conservatives, is extremely affable and carries numerous Midwest States.

Instead, by choosing Gov. Palin, McCain sacrificed the "experience" card, alienated moderate voters who agree with McCain's economic and foreign policies but detest Gov. Palin's social policies, and made an issue out of his own judgment.

On top of that, a sentence that he wrote when he thought his Presidential hopes were over came back to haunt him:

"I make [decisions] as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can. Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint."

It was repeated enough throughout the blogosphere and even the mainstream media through September in connection with the Palin pick, that the "risky" candidate is now McCain.

Sen. McCain's fighter pilot instincts may be good in the short term but history shows that there they do not give him the ability to plan for the long term. Gov. Palin was a quick fix and shows that he does not act - he reacts. That's not leadership.

OMG! Ponies!

@OMG! Ponies!: two words "Bradlet Effect" and that was coined from one of the most "progressive", "elightened" states in the Union. but either way, I do not plan om voting for either of them, i am tired of voting for "the lesser of two evils" instead of "The best person for the job"

corhou99

Haha jib jab is awesome

Ryan Goins

@shifty_276: Do we need to go through the Obama/Biden gaffe machines? We can. I'd love to tally it up.

Bladefist

@Bladefist: No. We don't vote for Palin cuz she is a damn idiot.

shifty_276

@biglou69: current is sweet with the twitter integration. I usually use cnn and current but am excited to check it out on hulu tonight.

Ryan Goins

@ripfire: The maverick theme is pretty important to him. You know, I think it's pretty corny, and most people are tired of hearing it. He obviously takes pride in it, and I can at least respect that, but I think he needs a new motto.

Bladefist

@Bladefist: Gah! She's like YTMND in real life.

ripfire

+ Watch video

Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E

@middy: are you serious? I shouldn't have to paste examples to you if you watched the last debate.

imTheKing

@OMG! Ponies!: You left out a HUGE one: This just in...The McCain campaign just announced it wants to cut Medicare by $1.3 Trillion. Talk about political suicide!! It's like they don't even care about winning Florida.

johnnyabnormal

@Dancing Milkcarton:
but but but......

they have the magic money tree planted out back....

(and to be fair, all politicians want to grow government, so just at a slightly slower rate. A budget cuts means less money than the year before, not less of an increase than you wanted mr politician.)

mikeg916

@onewiththewurlitzer: "And my retirement co. takes care of my stocks."

a sure sign of someone who'll potentially be needing a lot of social programs later.....

i kid, but really, after all that has gone down in the last 20 years since the average joe has started heavily investing, you allow someone else complete control over your retirement income?

bad juju.....

mikeg916

@jakebathman: We all know it's your fault, anyway!

johnnyabnormal

@Con Seannery: Not according to his voting record, but hey...we all wish it was 2000 McCain running and not 2008 McSame.

johnnyabnormal

@jakebathman: too bad the people on CNN will be watching baseball instead.....

:D

mikeg916

@Poon: "So much for the informed American voter. "

Has there EVER been such a thing?

Ask the people who voted for Kennedy because he "wasn't sweating".

There are times when i wish we DID have some sort of prerequisite for voting.
As much as it disgust me, the idea that people have no real clue as to why they are voting for a particular person (or pulling the "party string), disgusts me even more.

mikeg916

@Con Seannery: I'm going to watch the debate with 5 hits of LSD under each eyelid. It's the only way...

johnnyabnormal

@OMG! Ponies!: I agree with her issues, but question the same things you question. However, those same questions can be said about Obama, and he is running for the big boy job.

So I don't think Obama was the best thing the democrat party had. Huckabee, eh...No thanks. Mitt Romney should have been the nominee, and it would have given McCain an edge on the economy front.

Bladefist

@deadhouseplantz: so your only watching with a preconceived notion and therefore wouldn't be open to anything said anyway.
right.

no wonder our political system sucks ass so hard.

mikeg916

@OMG! Ponies!: I don't drive. And my retirement co. takes care of my stocks. I have $3 I buy beer.

Why would you spend 'beer' money on something that isn't beer - defeats the purpose.

onewiththewurlitzer

@Bladefist: I do question the motives of the boosters at yesterday's rallies who called Sen. Obama a terrorist and called out to "kill him!"

I don't like Gov. Palin because I disagree with the manner in which she runs Alaska, I disagree with virtually all of her positions on political issues, because I don't believe that she is versed in any of the salient issues, I don't think she even understands basic political concepts (such a "talking points" which she believes are scripts to be memorized), and - simply put - I don't believe that she can colorably be called the best candidate for the position of Vice President.

Gov. Huckabee would have been a far better selection on all points.

OMG! Ponies!

@TheMurderer: You should. Preachiness aside, and to strike a chord with internet cynicism, tonight's debate is a make or break for McCain. He has been touting that first the economy was strong, then later in the day the economy was weak. He then declared he was suspending his campaign out of regard for the economic troubles. Only to go back two days later with no reform in sight. After the bailout plan was approved, the stock market and economic indicators have shown nothing but a shitstorm for coming year.

I'm going to watch tonight just to see McCain try and defend his actions and choices, which I know he can't. Finally, we'll all get what we've been dying to see, John McCain getting tortured.

deadhouseplantz

@OMG! Ponies!: Wouldn't be the first time someone considered him 'fucked.'

Just make it plain and simple tonight, John. BO wants to grow government, BO wants to spend a shitload MORE money.

Pelosi and Reid have been running the Congress for 2 years now. How's that been working for everyone? Now, picture those 2 jackasses with a rubber stamp on the other end.

Dancing Milkcarton

@Rabid Penguin: Nah, you're thinking of the Dept. of the Interior: [www.cbsnews.com]

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Don't tell me that you actually thought that when the Secret Service found Pres. Bush passed out, you actually believed it was because he choked on a pretzel.

He's been off the wagon for at least eight years.

OMG! Ponies!

@johnnyabnormal: I'm pretty sure the decision for the bailout plan came during the huge kegger-sex-romp he and congress were having.

Rabid Penguin

@Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E: Jib Jab cartoons have really improved in quality...

Dirk

@Rabid Penguin: Man, I think Bush is going to hit the bottle like the good old days once he gets outta there...if he hasn't already.

johnnyabnormal

@Bladefist: I'd say a Mormon only has a slight advantage to a Atheist to getting elected. :)

johnnyabnormal

@se7a7n7: Hulu's site's among the best. I'll be watching it on that as well.

Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E

@Dancing Milkcarton: "Pelosi and Reid have been running the Congress for 2 years now"

They don't have enough of a majority to overcome the presidential veto or filibuster, so they really haven't been running squat. Nice try though.

johnnyabnormal

Being President of the most powerful country in the world is a tough job, and could drive a man to drink... and I'm pretty sure McCain could drink Obama under the table. Do you really want some lightweight who can't hold his liquor being president?

Rabid Penguin

@ripfire: He should have picked Olympia Snowe. She would have been a MUCH better choice.

johnnyabnormal

@Bladefist: Hey Blade... I think some people are referring to the recent rallies in Florida with Palin. McCain supporters were getting pretty ugly with the press that were there, even telling a black sound operator to "sit down, boy" etc. Things are really getting ugly. One man was yelling "kill him" when Obama's name was mentioned. You don't see this stuff at Obama rallies.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: I just looked at McCain's Netflix queue. He's had "The Producers" for about 3 weeks now.

My guess is that, knowing he's going to lose, he's planning on losing spectacularly and then absconding to Rio with the campaign coffers.

OMG! Ponies!

@johnnyabnormal: My bad. I got that all mixed up.

I think I'm going to vote for the Jaga/Lion-O ticket anyway. They have a pretty good foreign policy, they're strong on border defense, and they're fairly energy independent.

Rabid Penguin

@OMG! Ponies!: That was so hilarious. I actually thought his wife bitch-slapped him.

johnnyabnormal

@onewiththewurlitzer:

yeah, it's rockband night here in Tempe :)

David Hildreth

CNN.com was a good place to watch the VP debate after my 62" HDTV blew up. Dont worry replaced it with a 65" LED. That being said, the "expert analysis" section was unbelievably worthless. And no I did not leave stupider, I left completely retarded.

And to the lady with the retarded brother, sorry but true!

ARONBOARD

@mikeg916: You're right dude, my bad. I mean, cause if there is anytime to change their stance, it would be 3 weeks before the elections. Oh, wait, McCain can't do that, because the GOP frowns on flip-flopping.

I don't think a person who represents a state with the nation's worst illegal immigrant statistics should be in charge of immigration laws and policies.

I don't think a person whose wife has battled an illegal prescription drug problem should be in charge of our nation's health care system.

I don't think a person who was involved with the Charles Keating scandal should be in charge of our nation's economy.

I don't think a person who chose a vice presidential nominee who loves to hunt for sport and not survival should be in charge of environmental reform.

I don't think a person who was unfaithful to his crippled wife and abandoned children should be the one to define marriage and who can get married.

I don't think a person who represents a state with one of the nation's worst educational funding records should be in charge of our nation's education system.

I don't think a person who chose a vice presidential nominee who was the mayor of a town with a policy to charge rape victims for rape kits should be in charge of our law enforcement and judicial system.

I don't think a person who has a military record of getting shot down five times in combat and then allows himself to be taken prisoner should be in charge of our armed forces.

But hey, I'm voting for McCain anyway, because Obama is an angry black Muslim militant terrorist whose middle name is the same as an alleged tyrannical dictator.

deadhouseplantz

OMG Ponies!: "Unless Sen. Obama invites Rev. Jeremiah Wright on stage to cook crippled babies over a fire of burning flags and Bibles, the race is over."

Zogby (generally the most accurate) had it today at just a 2.6% (rounded to 3) lead for Obama which is a statistical tie. Races usually tighten up toward the end, and you also have the "Bradley Effect" to consider. It is bound to come out eventually that the people responsible for a good bit of our recent economic woes are now working for Obama, or are at least Democrats. I'd love to say otherwise, but right now, it is too close to call, IMHO.

GadgetPlay

I'm watching mine on Current TV.

michaelleung

I'm gonna give Hulu a try tonight. I usually use Hulu to watch Family Guy and American Dad episodes but I like the idea of live streaming and I like Hulu's interface.

mr. Hi-Definition

@deadhouseplantz: Just as

I don't think a person whose wife hates America should be in charge of America.

I don;t think a person who attended a racist hate filled chruch should be in charge of race relations.

I don't think a person who associates with known terrorist should be in charge of hunting them down.

I don't think a person who is raising funds for election from unlawful sources should be in charge of the Treasury.

I don't think a person's whose polictical handlers threaten lawsuits on anyone that speaks against them should be in charge of the Justice department.

I don't beleive a person who picks a VP who gives nothing in charity should be in charge of taking mine.

Do some research before blindly following a man who will line his pockets with your money.

joepa1

@imTheKing: And HE'S BUSH 2.0! is original and meaningful material? And yeah, McCain has some similar views, but there are quite a few differences...

Con Seannery

@imTheKing: Actaully, Biden loaded up more Maverick into that debate in one response than Palin in the while thing... Palin used it 3 times in the debate, Biden used it 15 in one response...

Con Seannery

@Bladefist: wtf are you talking about "least amount of experience in the history of president[ial] candidates" Really, because Bush was the leader of the world before he became president. GW Bush was an outsider who paid his way through yale and had NO EXPERIENCE, and every company he was handed the reins to, flew straight into the ground. Obama, no experience? The man has been involved in politics since before 1995, thats at least more than half a decade over the worst president we've ever had.

CrashingOut

@joepa1: I don't think a person who believes debunked chain mails from McSame's campaign should vote in 2008.

johnnyabnormal

OK, Obama isn't helping his case of stop the finger-pointing he mentioned earlier in the debate, and yet he continues to finger-point. Although, some of it is justified to shut McCain up when its deserved.

ViewtifulJason

That picture basically sums up all coverage of Election '08

Seinosuke

WTB :: Good proxy with a US ip

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I think McCain did a bit better here, but we heard nothing new on either side, and all either one did was shore up their decided voter base...

Con Seannery

@GadgetPlay: I'm more concerned about "The Diebold effect", y'know the one.

jbang

Is not watching this thing in HD really a huge bummer? I mean, we all like to eake out full value from the old panel... but really, McCain in high-def ain't pretty for anyone.

Actually... that is a reason to do it, so that 'maverick' has more chance of getting his butt kicked into a deserving loss. Since this (well, his, espcially) campaign seems to be more about appearances than substance. The only real threat he presents, besides ignorami who don't condone birth control (damn those extra voters!), is in Palin. And if that's a convincing turning point in anyone's opinion or vote, well - I know we're pretty screwed already, but that'd just take the cake.

jbang

@GadgetPlay: Zogby's data is more than a week old. Go to FiveThirtyEight.com. Nate Silver aggregates the polls from all the major agencies. The vast majority of State and nationwide polling data has been pro-Obama for over a week now.

OMG! Ponies!

@GadgetPlay: As of today, with polling data from 10/6 and 10/7, Zogby has The Obamanator up by 1.9%.

GadgetPlay

@johnnyabnormal: He may have gotten that info from a chain letter, but what part of that isn't true?

Rabid Penguin

@joepa1: nice parroting there, buddy. except, you fail.

Pixlmonkey

@GadgetPlay: The polls in general are showing a increased lead for "the Obamanator"...but will it last? Who knows. I wonder if the world economy will even exist by Nov. 4th! Screw the election, head for the hills!

johnnyabnormal

@Rabid Penguin: Try all of them.

[www.factcheck.org]

Give that a read before you read any more chain emails. FYI: I don't blame the McCain campaign for these emails. They usually originate from some pretty slimy sources. Both campaigns use some wild exaggerations, but these chain mails are almost always completely full of lies.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Are you saying Obama has no association with known domestic terrorist Bill Ayers? Why does Obama have sooo many known questionable associations? Of course Obama is going to try to distance himself from these people... but he's trying to run for president. Are you trying to tell me that Obama's crazy pastor never spewed his hate filled bigotry in the 20 years that Obama attended? Pretty much everything he said (in his "chain letter") is pretty accurate.

Our country is so screwed. I don't want to be socialist.

Rabid Penguin

@joepa1: "I don't think a person whose wife hates America should be in charge of America."

That's as far as I got... You are an idiot :-D
Have a nice day!

PDXassassin