Science
Sneaky LED Bulbs Will Double As Wireless Access Points
Posted by John Herrman at 10:00 PM on October 7, 2008
Researchers at Boston University (whose football mascot, incidentally, is a giant light-emitting germanium diode) think they'll be able to combine LED bulbs with wireless networking technology, allowing for nearly complete ubiquity of wireless access points. The technology will be able to communicate data with visible light at up to 10Mbps, and can be adapted to existing power lines.
The bulbs will use the same diode for lighting the room and providing the network connection, flickering, as the Register put it, "like tremendously fast signal lights." Boston U is working on the project with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the University of New Mexico with a hefty $US18.5m grant from the US National Science Foundation. The researchers see the concept and theoretically sound, but don't have full working models yet. [Smart Lighting ERC via The Register]

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Windhawk
Posted 11:23 PM 7/10/08
Headline from Tomorrow: Internet Hack Triggers Epileptic Fits
Windhawk
MrBlahBlah
Posted 11:19 PM 7/10/08
I like the plant in the picture: data (water me)
MrBlahBlah
WaldoMacrotainer
Posted 11:19 PM 7/10/08
So you have to have the lights on to watch a movie or access the internet?
WaldoMacrotainer
Optimus-Prime
Posted 11:15 PM 7/10/08
RPI is my alma mater and our mascot is the Engineer. I'm sure there joke to be had about how many engieers it takes to screw in a germanium light emmitting diode. Not quite sure what it is though.
Optimus-Prime
Shodan
Posted 11:14 PM 7/10/08
This MUST be the best thing since sliced bread. The InterWebs will be everywhere.
Next up: the Sun will be one big router and our Mars colony will have free internet porn.
Shodan
siville
Posted 11:12 PM 7/10/08
Let there be light, er... file transfer, er... internet access, er... ARGGHHHHH!!!
siville
tamoko
Posted 11:34 PM 7/10/08
What a great idea. The clock is networked too? The Plant I can accept, but a wall clock?
tamoko
wanago
Posted 11:23 PM 7/10/08
how long before people try to link wi-fi with cancer clusters?
wanago
rurena
Posted 11:56 PM 7/10/08
how does the light bulb receive data back? i understand the flickering light but there should be a receiver.
rurena
WMyers
Posted 11:54 PM 7/10/08
@Geisrud: Well you can get 100 mbps transfer speeds from an IR remote (which is basically what these things are), so you should be golden. Those of us in the internet age will make do with 10 Mbps.
WMyers
Geisrud
Posted 11:49 PM 7/10/08
I don't use lights less than 100mbps
Geisrud
Curves
Posted 11:48 PM 7/10/08
Do the lights have to be on? I have the lights off most of the time since natural light is usually enough, and too much light, especially office light, causes migraines.
Curves
Ramsay101
Posted 12:18 AM 8/10/08
Just think of this as a v1.0 proof of concept kind of thing. If it catches on, wouldn't be surprised to see new bulbs come out with diodes for each independently or some way to do without the visible light (non-visible spectrum). The possibilities could be endless. In 5 years imagine every light in a city hooked to a central wi-fi access that could stream data to your car, phone, or what have you instantly without having to drive on the sidewalk next to every Starbucks that you see... not that anyone would do that...
Ramsay101
Derek Balling
Posted 12:06 AM 8/10/08
This will never take off... here's why.
Of all the computer folks I have ever worked with, like 90% of them like working with the lights off, most because the perceived flicker of office fluorescent bulbs is annoying to them. Now you're saying we're going to have other lights that flicker at an imperceptible rate? Please.
It's a neat idea, but if you can't sell the geeks on the high-tech idea, good luck getting wide adoption. :)
Derek Balling
RE-L
Posted 12:41 AM 8/10/08
Very interesting idea! I can't wait to see it working.
RE-L
VideoVampire
Posted 12:37 AM 8/10/08
E = M(PORN)squared
VideoVampire
Gann
Posted 12:36 AM 8/10/08
@Optimus-Prime: It's a trick question, since it's a soldered connection.
Gann
prouted
Posted 12:31 AM 8/10/08
transfer at the speed of light... 10Mbs !!!
prouted
auslander
Posted 12:43 AM 8/10/08
@Optimus-Prime: The Engineer? [tuvw.bokunic.com]
auslander
Gojulas
Posted 1:17 AM 8/10/08
@Gojulas:
I should add, our hockey team is pretty good, and our mascot is an amped up Boston Terrier named Rhett.
Gojulas
krystar
Posted 1:17 AM 8/10/08
so basically we've gone from 100gbit laser fiber optics....to 1900 maritime morse code by flashing lights between two ships?
krystar
Gojulas
Posted 1:15 AM 8/10/08
BU doesn't have a football team. It was disbanded years ago.
Gojulas
Darkest Daze
Posted 1:59 AM 8/10/08
@krystar:
As long as they don't start rating the speed in baud rate, then we should be fine.
Darkest Daze
Rodime
Posted 1:48 AM 8/10/08
@MrBlahBlah: and the encryption light switch
Rodime
Toshie
Posted 2:10 AM 8/10/08
@tamoko: Fast, easy way to ensure the correct time. And also a great way to randomly screw with your cow-orkers (at 4:30 slow down the second hand to 25% speed).
Toshie
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 2:34 AM 8/10/08
will it cause epilepsy?
Ariel_Wollinger
mrtallbones
Posted 3:05 AM 8/10/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: Will it blend?
mrtallbones
CPFReviews.com
Posted 4:02 AM 8/10/08
@Derek Balling: They could use a higher frequency of PWM. It wont be noticeable.
For One way traffic like broadcast (wall clocks, thermostat, HD TV) it is technically possible. Yet, it will fail, because where is the return traffic route? :)
Remember the old IR days, some laptops and mobiles still have these. it's always been a two way module where both ends have IR LED for transmission and a PhotoDiode for reception.
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CPFReviews.com
Posted 3:56 AM 8/10/08
The concept looks very similar to the infrared that we used to use a decade ago. You will need to have a 'line of sight' to work. Imagine a co-worker sitting over the table or the shadow of monitor over the pot
basically, they will serve as transmitters. So how do we have a 2 way communication? Like lets say user sitting on a table to access internet needs a two way access, what? he will shine a flashlight? :) Quite possible, today we have some programmable flashlights that have processors up to 20 MHz with some memory... perhaps we will stick Arc6 LED Flashlight over the monitor aimed at the light source in the hall sending a beam back for two way communication.
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karmaghost
Posted 3:44 AM 8/10/08
The people developing this are way smarter than me, I'm sure, but I don't think this will take off, despite the fact that on the surface it seems like a great idea. I think they're proposing to have this in offices mostly, which would eliminate the "the lights have to be on?" concerns from most people.
But 10Mbs per second? I guess office workers trading documents, reading emails, and goofing off with a little browsing wouldn't need much more than that, but I know that a lot of business connections are potentially much faster than that. And some residential cable plans are getting as high if not higher than 10Mbs.
Also, the flickering? Has anybody taken a look at a set of LED Christmas lights? Maybe they're not all as bad as the ones I'm thinking of, but mine flicker oh so slightly, to the point that I wouldn't want them creating the majority of my reading light.
Finally, does this mean that offices everywhere are going to have to install new network blinky-light WiFi receivers? Is line-of-sight going to be a problem?
karmaghost
sean123456
Posted 2:56 AM 8/10/08
@siville: Hey thats pretty nifty i can use my ipod touch's internet near a lightbulb the thing is i just need to get me a desk where there is er..light LOL
sean123456
thedoctah
Posted 4:09 AM 8/10/08
BU doesn't have a football team....did I miss something?
thedoctah
GTgeek
Posted 7:25 AM 8/10/08
I thought the point of using LEDs was to conserve energy. If they're constantly pulling current to power the diodes, how much are you really saving? I guess if you consider the power savings of not having to run lights and access points, but I guess that depends on how many access points you have. Besides, my workplace doesn't even have wifi.
GTgeek
brutek
Posted 12:11 PM 8/10/08
Old idea being re-born. This was done my modulating the ballast for fluorescent lights last decade. I think the company was called Indalla.
brutek