Gadgets
How to Buy Gadgets in China And Not Get Screwed
Posted by Gizmodo US Edition at 2:00 AM on October 7, 2008
Wallet full of cash and bags at ready, I stood, mouth agape, in front of the five-story electronics bazaar in front of me. It was one of several dozen in Shanghai, magical places where floor after floor are filled to bursting with gadget vendors begging you to stop by and see their wares. Like Circuit Cities on crack, everyone inside is desperate to make a sale and every price is negotiable. Welcome to the way the Chinese--or at least the majority who live in megacities like this one--buy their electronics.
Just minutes earlier, I had directed a taxi driver to take me to one of the bigger tech marts, the Shanghai PC Mall, located in the Pudong area of Shanghai.
"Are you sure you don't want to go to a Best Buy? We have those here now," he said.
It's true--Best Buy opened its largest store ever in Shanghai in 2006. Since then, it's cut the red ribbon on a second outlet and recently received permission from the government to start building four more. But what would be the point of me going there?
One of the more ironic qualities of buying electronics in China is that, despite all components being made here, foreign company goods still count as imports. Suggested retail prices are pumped even higher than they would be in the U.S.... unless you know how to negotiate for a better deal. But Best Buy frowns on bargaining, even in China.
"You aren't a local. The shopkeepers will tear you apart," the taxi driver warned, laughing, as we approached the Shanghai PC Mall.
Well, we'd see about that. I marched resolutely in, and was automatically bombarded by three sales clerks from three different booths, all hawking the latest notebooks from some of the best known corporations--Sony, Toshiba, Dell.
"Come and browse for a minute, maybe you'll see something you like," said one.
"Go this way, we have a special today that you might be interested in," warbled another.
"What do you need? What do you want? Tell me, I'll find you a good deal," the third trilled.
In every cubicle-like row is a representative who'll help fix your PC problems and, if you're not careful, sell you something you don't need.
I have to admit, the intensity startled me. Coming from New York, I was used to aisles of disaffected or otherwise nonexistent employees. The last time I'd seen such fervor was when a kid in an oversized blue shirt confirmed that I was buying something expensive and insisted I needed a longer warranty. I scuttled off quickly and the three salespeople automatically turned around to beset the next person to enter.
This time around, I wasn't hunting big game. Televisions, netbooks and DSLR cameras would have to wait until I'd become more confident in my chaffering... and had more cash.
Debit cards are still pretty rare in this country, and credit cards even more so. Most transactions still rely, ridiculously, on cold hard bills. To buy a decent laptop, I'd have to stuff my pockets with over a thousand 100-yuan notes—Chinese currency's largest denomination.
Every booth sells its own unique mishmash of gadgetry, impervious to categorisation or order.
On this trip, my list was more mundane, consisting mostly of accessories and doodads. I stopped at a booth with at least thirteen brands of webcams crowded around an LCD screen. Some were from established names like Logitech, others were made by local companies I'd never heard of. After waffling a bit over the specifications of each option the shopkeeper presented me, I asked how much for a simple Chinese-branded 3-megapixel number.
"180 yuan," she said. I paused then responded that I'd actually take it for 100 yuan.
"Done!" She packed it up quickly, grinned and stretched out her hand to take my bill. Damn it. I'd done enough bargaining in my life to know that when a deal is resolved this quickly, I'd probably been suckered. Sure $15 U.S. isn't a horrible price to pay for a webcam, but who knows how cheap I could of gotten it for if I'd been a little more ambitious.
I vowed to stick to brand name goods from then on, where at least the obsessive hours I'd spent browsing Consumer Reports and Newegg.com would give me some indication of their true value.
Floor upon glorious shiny floor of stuff!
With that in mind, I next tried my hand at nabbing a wireless router. This time around I went for something I recognised: an 802.11b/g Netgear that would run about $US40 in the US. The starting price this time around was 300 yuan (or about $US45). I countered with 150 and was scoffed at. Employing my best "Well, if you really aren't going to sell it to me for that much, I guess I'll just be on my way" look, I got the clerk to sigh and give it to me for 200 yuan. $US10 off the US price and no sales tax added on at the end of the deal. Not too shabby.
In the next hours, I haggled over everything from speakers to hard drives to extra RAM for my laptop (installed for free, with an extra discount thrown in if I left my old memory sticks with them). I came home that day, arms loaded with new stuff, satisfied with having saved a good 20 to 25% off of US street prices.
Yes, those are iPhones (and real ones, too). No, they're not supported in China yet. Don't tell anyone, okay?
And yet, I had also figured out why Best Buy, despite its inherent inability to ever compete on cost, was doing so well over here.
Negotiating for what you want is a pain. Being accosted by vendors trying to convince you that they're the ones you should buy from is a mess of stress. Worrying about whether everything will work as promised at home is downright draining. And the funny thing was, I approached the experience as an informed consumer. It must be a thousand times more frustrating for someone with less experience, who would undoubtedly realise too late that they paid way more than they should have.
What Best Buy offers in China is a haven for the emotionally fatigued. Their stock comes at a hefty premium, but with none of the uncertainties of the tech bazaars. You'll never turn around and find the next vendor selling what you just bought for 10% less. There is no "if only I were savvier" moment. Oh—and if something is wrong with your purchase, Best Buy won't yell at you for being a doofus when you return it (well, at least not over here. The Consumerist says things might be different States-side).
That kind of psychological assurance has put the company in a peculiarly powerful position. Despite initially dire predictions, Best Buy's Shanghai outlet is now one of the company's top-10 revenue generators worldwide. This is probably why three of its four new China stores will be located in this city.
But would I head there the next time I need a quick gadget fix? Heck no. Somewhere back at the Shanghai PC Mall, there's a netbook with my name on it. And it's waiting for me to win it in a bargaining battle for the ages. Paying retail? That's for sissies.
Who doesn't love bargains (and Jackie Chan)?
[Thanks to Josh Bancroft for several of the images]

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noone1569
Posted 3:33 AM 7/10/08
@Open_universe: Word out of my mouth
noone1569
lilaliendog
Posted 3:33 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: I would hope not, and what is not hot about a young woman standing in front of a large building ready to take on the world standing in a similar way to wonder woman before she begins kicking ass. It's an iconic pose one that represents strength, courage and determination, ie. it's hot.
lilaliendog
Curves
Posted 3:32 AM 7/10/08
FFS you guys, control yourselves and your raging hormones.
Great article and it makes me want to go haggle with the masters of haggle, the ancient farm wives at the local farmers market. Good deals, great food and tough negotiators. Thats my kind of shopping, screw the mall. If I was in China, I would have to hire a translator, but haggle I would!
Curves
lankysob
Posted 3:32 AM 7/10/08
I'm not much for bartering, but you definitely have to learn quick if you don't plan on getting ripped off in China. I was over there for the Olympics (saw games in both Shanghai and Beijing) and had to quickly get my act together when it came to my bartering method. What I was told to do (and what I tried to adhere to) went something like this:
1. For higher priced items, offer 1/2 of the asking price and work from there.
2. If they don't meet you near your price, tell them you're going to shop around and come back. They'll lower the price a bit more, but make sure you stick to your guns and actually walk away.
3. Leave, go find similar items at other vendors, work on their price and leave and return to the original vendor (unless you found an unbeatable price).
4. Tell them you found a better price, but wanted to have another look at their product. Resist their offers yet again, start to walk away again and they'll offer a last ditch price which should roughly be around your original 1/2 price asking.
5. If you buy multiple things from the same vendor, you should be even more likely to bargain the prices down.
The amount of money I spent on everything I bought while there blows my mind when I convert it back to USD. I'd have never been able to afford even 1/4 of what I'd bought of equivalent purchases back in the good ol' US of A.
You definitely feel a little dirty doing it, but I came to accept that that's just how business works there. I did this in the Silk Market (in Shanghai) and also in the Photographic Market (in Shanghai), which was located more Southwest in the city. I wish I'd have known about this PC Mall while I was there as I was in the Pudong area a couple of times. Oh well. I guess I'll go the next time I just happen to be in the area swinging through Shanghai. =P
lankysob
discounteggroll
Posted 3:32 AM 7/10/08
@Open_universe:
wait for it...wait for it...little to the left...wait for it.......
BANHAMMER
discounteggroll
Eric1285
Posted 3:32 AM 7/10/08
The key to buying anything in China is this:
Think about what costs went into producing the product. This basically amounts to raw material costs as labor is worth next to nothing in China. Your first offer should be for whatever you think it actually cost to make the device. For example, when I was buying a wireless router for my short stay in Shanghai, I went to one of those huge electronics malls and made offers of $6-7 for routers. I eventually picked one up for about $12, which is a far cry from the $50-60 starting price that the vendors tried to get. Start low, so that you have room to go up.
Eric1285
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Posted 3:30 AM 7/10/08
Sigh, I wish our electronics stores looked cool.
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Lupus_Yonderboy
Posted 3:29 AM 7/10/08
@os_2: Yeah, right? Or on Newegg...
"How much for that memory?"
"$100."
"I'll give you fifty bucks."
"Sold!"
Lupus_Yonderboy
Open_universe
Posted 3:29 AM 7/10/08
Who's the chick in the first pic? LET'S SEE SOME NUDE SHOTS, MAYBE A YOUPORN UPLOAD! NOW! CHOP CHOP!
Open_universe
RE-L
Posted 3:29 AM 7/10/08
You go girl! And yes I love Jackie Chan as well.
RE-L
MrBlahBlah
Posted 3:28 AM 7/10/08
@daftrok: i second that.
MrBlahBlah
gerrylum
Posted 3:28 AM 7/10/08
@Minotaar:
Uh... how is that racist? The tainted milk in China has been on the news non-stop.
gerrylum
os_2
Posted 3:25 AM 7/10/08
I love it you can bargain on gadget so easily in China. I wish something like that was available at Fry's.
os_2
sho38
Posted 3:23 AM 7/10/08
Elaine seems cute..is there ia frontal image of her somewhere?
sho38
peterfnet
Posted 3:21 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: Apparently not w're not past that stage :-\ I don't always pay attention to the authors. Are you new Elaine?
peterfnet
lankysob
Posted 3:20 AM 7/10/08
@Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another du...: Clean them ABOVE the waist, please!
lankysob
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 3:15 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: OMG there's a girl here, on the internet!!???!! I gotta go clean my sweaty palms....
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Posted 3:14 AM 7/10/08
@Minotaar: Not sure how racist that is, but the dairy problem was pretty bad.
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Minotaar
Posted 3:13 AM 7/10/08
@adocious:
How to avoid preconceptions rooted in racism?
Minotaar
PipeRifle
Posted 3:11 AM 7/10/08
@lilaliendog: Are we really still not past the "OMG girl on the internet" stage of our collective consciousness?
PipeRifle
lilaliendog
Posted 3:08 AM 7/10/08
first image is insanely hot
lilaliendog
Kinglish
Posted 3:05 AM 7/10/08
I wish I was rich! I want it all.
Kinglish
daftrok
Posted 3:04 AM 7/10/08
Elaine's cute.
daftrok
adocious
Posted 3:02 AM 7/10/08
How to buy gadgets in China and not get screwed?
How about: how to buy milk in China and not get poisoned?
adocious
chinajoe
Posted 3:53 AM 7/10/08
Uhh, you must have went at some strange time when it wasn't totally packed(lunch time maybe). Next time I go to Guangzhou Computer mall or Shenzhen, I'll take some picts. you should not even be able to see the sidewalk or elbow enough room room to get a clean shot at the vendors booth! I don't mind the haggling, its all the people and elbowing that I hate! anyway, great article. My latest score was a Pany AX1000 U with a 120" high gain screen AND 20' HDMI, COMPOSITE cables, installation, and ceiling mount for 10,000 yuan. In the US, that would just get you the projector!
chinajoe
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 3:51 AM 7/10/08
So what are real iPhones going for in Shanghai? Any bargains?
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 3:50 AM 7/10/08
@Crvs: MG t's nthr grl n th ntrnts! ll
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
malcs
Posted 3:50 AM 7/10/08
@Open_universe: this isn't /b/!!!
malcs
ripfire
Posted 3:48 AM 7/10/08
The question is not "How to Buy Gadgets in China And Not Get Screwed", it's more like "How much do I have left after spending for a trip to China".
ripfire
ripfire
Posted 3:47 AM 7/10/08
@Cliff_Dangers: I'll keep that tip in mind. Usually I hardly have any luck negotiating with Chinese vendors; I'd be lucky enough to get 50cent off their price. Then again, that's here in the states.
ripfire
exstns
Posted 3:45 AM 7/10/08
Pff.. Shanghai PC Mall is for sissies, if you want real thrill of a buying experience then you should be looking for those shady looking guys walking outside the mall area with a random "brand new" laptop stuffed in their back pack which they "purchased", but all of a sudden need some money for an "emergency". Chargers and other equipment not included. Oh, and be sure to pay for it with cash in the next dark narrow alley.
exstns
Jason Chen
Posted 3:45 AM 7/10/08
@lilaliendog: Stay on topic please.
Jason Chen
TBM-Fan
Posted 3:43 AM 7/10/08
prtty grl n shrt jns yp yp
thr wy thnks fr th gd
nly hp rmmbr th lnk whn vr gng t vst Chn
TBM-Fan
MrThunderfield
Posted 3:43 AM 7/10/08
@Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E: IS pretty bad. Present tense. Not resolved as far as I've heard :P :(
MrThunderfield
etimy
Posted 3:42 AM 7/10/08
at the height of the beenie baby craze, I bought peanut (blue elephant) for $1 (8yuan). Bargaining is not difficult, you just need to know how to say no.
etimy
xwildebeestx
Posted 3:41 AM 7/10/08
@sho38: In accordance with Megan's Law, sho38 has to inform you... oh, whatever.
xwildebeestx
Andyr2120
Posted 3:40 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: More like just "OMG girl", which should be plenty to get my attention until I am, ready to kick the can. And why not? The first shot is... an attention-grabber.
Andyr2120
opedog
Posted 3:40 AM 7/10/08
@Minotaar: You may wanna look up what racism means.
It doesn't mean what bigotry means, and it certainly has nothing to do with adocious' comment.
opedog
Cliff_Dangers
Posted 3:38 AM 7/10/08
I used to live in Xiamen China for a little over a year. You can and need to negotiate on all goods... When i would shop I followed this rule as an obvious non-local. Take the first price they give you and cut it in half. This is where they should have started. I then cut that in half again and use that as my first offer. Word of warning though. If you are negotiating for things outside of stores, do not offer a price that is insanely too low. The seller will assume that you think he is a fool which in turn means he's lost "face". This may turn ugly quickly with a possibility of a physical altercation.
Cliff_Dangers
lankysob
Posted 3:38 AM 7/10/08
@lankysob: Oh, and nice article Elaine. Makes me wish I was still over in that crazy, congested place still. Next time I'll put a little effort into learning some more basic Mandarin. That'll come in handy the next time I run into a cab driver who doesn't understand a bit of English AND is illiterate at the same time. Luckily, he understood what the heck a train logo meant and got us to the Hongzhou train station on time.
lankysob
discounteggroll
Posted 3:37 AM 7/10/08
@peterfnet:
Elaine's been around for a while. I asked that question a few months ago and apparently she was around for a while then too.
discounteggroll
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Posted 3:36 AM 7/10/08
@Curves: Haggling is great, but often goes against my impulse buy-now-walk-out-and-fuggetaboutit nature. I guess that isn't a good way to be, but it's quick, easy, and with enough alcohol, painless.
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
lilaliendog
Posted 3:36 AM 7/10/08
@os_2: they won't tell you but it actually is, at least in the a/v department. They won't go all that low and deals usually end up with them winning at least with a small win but sometimes you can end up with a good deal. I almost left with a 61" 1080p dlp 120hz samsung one day at a great deal but right before I paid they decided to call other stores to confirm inventory and the store I mentioned was out of the tv so the deal was lost cus they said since they are the only ones with the tv that I wouldn't get the deal.
lilaliendog
dysthymia
Posted 3:35 AM 7/10/08
@Open_universe: this is going to be fun. you just made my day open U. if she ends up being who I think she is.... Oh boy. Bye O_U
dysthymia
Jkoenig96
Posted 3:34 AM 7/10/08
@MrBlahBlah: Yea it was hard to not just post a clever rework of the title to that effect.
Jkoenig96
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 3:34 AM 7/10/08
@lankysob: Too late..
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
auroragb
Posted 4:10 AM 7/10/08
@Jkoenig96: LOL, note the pic of her standing outside the mall had the metal pole going up her crotch... awkward...
auroragb
auroragb
Posted 4:08 AM 7/10/08
@adocious:
How about: How to post comments without sounding like a douche?
China's milk situation is not gadget related, as was your comment
auroragb
ups
Posted 4:05 AM 7/10/08
The problem with chinese bargaining: they are willing to loose money as long as they sell. Specially in some markets, it is better to go home with some money than without any at all, even if in the end of the month there are still problems.
ups
Rabid Penguin
Posted 4:04 AM 7/10/08
@EricAlder: I don't speak Farsi, but I'm sure you have a valid point.
Rabid Penguin
EricAlder
Posted 4:02 AM 7/10/08
Fshe tijh ju me fr mnt ooe hd ahew h ldd hwuem!
Hye hrej ml kffdnnr?
EricAlder
PipeRifle
Posted 3:56 AM 7/10/08
I've always had a bit of a problem with the idea that haggling is "part of the culture" or "just how they do business". How often is this really, really true? Doesn't everyone want to make as much money as possible without scaring people off, and price their goods accordingly?
All I know is when I was given similar advice in Mexico ("haggle for everything!") I was greeted with sighs, eye-rolls, sneers and often refusal of sale at any price. I felt like I was being a condescending American jerk.
PipeRifle
Stacky Botrus
Posted 3:54 AM 7/10/08
I will NEVER go to China, because trains haven't been invented yet.
Stacky Botrus
danmandle
Posted 4:26 AM 7/10/08
I went one in Beijing. We went as part of a college trip:
+ Watch video
danmandle
sridhar3
Posted 4:25 AM 7/10/08
Good article. I had a similar experience when I went to Bangkok, and the picture with all the escalators (the fifth one) looks exactly like the mall where I went.
Did you try to get a price on any items currently being sold in the US? Because, when I asked for prices on those sorts of things (for example, an HTC Touch Diamond), they turned out to cost just as much as they would if I bought them here, so I'm curious to see if it was the same way in China.
sridhar3
johnnyabnormal
Posted 4:24 AM 7/10/08
@Jason Chen: Holy crap, I've never seen so much disemvoweling in one thread. What's going on in here?
johnnyabnormal
donjumpsuit
Posted 4:21 AM 7/10/08
@Jason Chen: This coming from a guy who is well known for stuffing gadgets down his pants, and not too long ago, threw in a shameless plug for his own hot girlfriend. (P.S. I love both things)
donjumpsuit
shinchan
Posted 4:20 AM 7/10/08
@Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another du...:
I was at that very same mall and asked what they wanted for an iphone. If I remember right it was nearly 4000yuan which is over 400$. That's without haggling of course, but still...
I wasn't there to spend a lot of money anyways, so I got cheap small stuff like memory cards which cost a fortune here (compared to China).
shinchan
PCLoadLetter
Posted 4:19 AM 7/10/08
Is there not a part of China where you can buy certain items that have "fallen" off the back of a truck. Of course there would be no warranty, but maybe for the money you save it might be worth it. I guess there is also the possibility you could wake up in a bath tub full of ice missing a kidney.
PCLoadLetter
UofITom
Posted 4:18 AM 7/10/08
Do they speak engrish there?
UofITom
auroragb
Posted 4:15 AM 7/10/08
What kind of laptop / netbook is Elaine looking for? A roll of 100 hundred yuan bills (~$1200 US) should be enough to cover most of the stuff on her shopping list? Didn't they recently post the $100 (800 yuan) nettop?
I think that thousands of hundred yuan bills is excessive. Perhaps Elaine got yuan confused with yen?
auroragb
Y2KGTP
Posted 4:14 AM 7/10/08
If that is Elaine in the shorts, who is trusted to take the photo without running off with the camera?
Y2KGTP
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 4:53 AM 7/10/08
@Minotaar: It's not racist to call bullshit on a government willing to look the other way while harmful chemicals make their way into the food supply. In fact, I'd posit that it's more racist to not do so -- it's saying that you don't care about the Chinese people.
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
misterwho
Posted 4:52 AM 7/10/08
What a great article followed by a bunch of crappy comments!
It's good to know that folks in China who want good brands, but don't have the money, can find a legal way to work it out. For some haggling is a necessary evil. For others it's the most fun part of shopping.
misterwho
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 4:47 AM 7/10/08
Every story should lead with a photo of Elaine's backside.
RacecarBoobTat
socioecoboy
Posted 4:43 AM 7/10/08
I've been to this place, and stayed in the hotel right next to it.
socioecoboy
macegr
Posted 4:39 AM 7/10/08
I do a decent amount of direct trade with Chinese vendors, and more often than not the first price they quote is well below what I'd be willing to pay...so I don't bother haggling. There's an old Chinese man I know, though, who will do anything get a bargain...stand haggling for half an hour to get a 25% break on a 5 dollar item, or tell outright lies about who he is and why he needs the item cheaper...and then laugh in their faces and tell them he tricked them after the sale. Haggling is definitely in the culture. I wish it was a bigger part of our culture. :)
macegr
Skyyboy
Posted 4:37 AM 7/10/08
ahhhh............
memories of Pantip Plaza in Bangkok. Everything is cheap and/or pirated.
I saw a "shop" in the back of Pantip where they were "re-packaging" used Nokia phones into boxes to look like new :)
good times
Skyyboy
Elcheecho
Posted 5:03 AM 7/10/08
I'm pretty sure you can't return items to Best Buy in Shanghai. In general returning anything and even exchanging things is nearly impossible at Chinese retailers. I couldn't imagine Best Buy volunteering to allow returns.
Elcheecho
sgt_sm00th
Posted 5:00 AM 7/10/08
Good Picture and even better article!
sgt_sm00th
Amsterdaam
Posted 4:59 AM 7/10/08
@EricAlder: scrubbeldy wobzat nneld vesto pasta.
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Amsterdaam
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 4:59 AM 7/10/08
This thread makes me feel like I'm the only person who hasn't been to China.
RacecarBoobTat
Collins1
Posted 4:57 AM 7/10/08
@Minotaar: T3h ignorance! It burns!!
Collins1
indiegeek
Posted 4:56 AM 7/10/08
My wife and her family had to drag me from this place kicking and screaming when we were in Shanghai a year or two ago. Starting somewhere around 1/3 of what their "requested" price is, and buying in bulk from one stand got the best deals, and negotiating as stone-facedly as possible with the vendors is awesome practice for walking through customs with all your neat new gadgets...
Also, elsewhere in Shanghai (near the old city, I think, but I can't remember right now), there's a street that has probably a half mile of nothing but music equipment. Next time I go, I'm getting a shipping container full of $50-$100 guitars and never leaving the house again.
indiegeek
wyzik
Posted 5:21 AM 7/10/08
Does this work in Taiwan?
wyzik
justsomereportingguy
Posted 5:21 AM 7/10/08
Rockin article!!
Elaine, thank you for the pic of the smokin hot pair of legs at the beginning of the article; always a nice way to attract my attention. And thanks for a very interesting insight to the electronics market in that part of the world. I agree paying retail is for sissies. I had a chance to spend 3 days around Corondao Beach in Cali once and I spent most of my time in TJ Mexico, drinking tequila and haggling with the vendors! Those guys were just awesome! I was in sales at the time and I SO wanted to take 6-12 of them home with me. If I could just have posted them outside the doors of my stores (90% located in malls) my sales would have gone through the roof.
I love haggling, I love the excitement of the vendor, i love the whole process. Those guys come at you like their life depends on that one sale. Very exciting, and as long as you keep your head, a great way to save lots of $$$ off reg price.
justsomereportingguy
exstns
Posted 5:19 AM 7/10/08
@Stacky Botrus:
Huh?
exstns
Skitchin
Posted 5:17 AM 7/10/08
I guess I'll be the first to say - nice legs.
Skitchin
Reilaos: Reading Comprehension is your friend!
Posted 5:41 AM 7/10/08
Wow. Does disemvowelling make anyone else pay more attention to the comment? It makes me want to figure out what he/she said.
Reilaos: Reading Comprehension is your friend!
Ike_Skelton
Posted 5:40 AM 7/10/08
@Open_universe: Damn, I can decipher most of it but not all of it :(
Ike_Skelton
velglarn
Posted 5:40 AM 7/10/08
Snap! I've shopped at that mall numerous times. The trick is to get friendly with a staff member at a particular store. Once, when I went to go buy a webcam, the store didn't sell it, but the staffer directed me to next door and told the guy he wasn't making a profit off me. The price dropped from 120RMB to 30RMB. Crazy.
Of course, not actually living in the area will get you kinda shafted.
velglarn
Valatar
Posted 5:39 AM 7/10/08
@auroragb: Yes, because nothing says sexy like a woman with her thigh impaled on metal. Oh yeah baby, spray that femoral arterial blood...
Valatar
Valatar
Posted 5:36 AM 7/10/08
@peterfnet: Given that she's been posting for like six months now, no.
Valatar
wetworker
Posted 5:35 AM 7/10/08
Nice legs Elaine.
wetworker
PipeRifle
Posted 6:09 AM 7/10/08
@Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E: Something for the ladies, then!
PipeRifle
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Posted 6:08 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: I have a feeling that the responses will be exactly the same. lol
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Con Seannery
Posted 6:06 AM 7/10/08
WOW, that's a sexy picture
The escalators, what did you think I was talking about?
Con Seannery
Kyang
Posted 6:05 AM 7/10/08
@HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak:
It's hardly looking the other way. The regulation is there on paper but as usual, the corruption is so rampant, nothing is obeyed.
Kyang
Con Seannery
Posted 6:01 AM 7/10/08
@Stacky Botrus: Hey, get out of my alternate reality!
Con Seannery
PipeRifle
Posted 6:00 AM 7/10/08
I think you should start the next article with Blam or Jason in some short shorts and see what kind of comments THAT generates.
PipeRifle
mrweatherbee
Posted 5:58 AM 7/10/08
Getting screwed is exactly why I go to China. It's called "sex tourism," and bargains abound.
mrweatherbee
Jkoenig96
Posted 5:57 AM 7/10/08
@Valatar: Don't act like it wouldn't take 2 seconds to find that kind of porn.
Jkoenig96
Kevin337
Posted 5:53 AM 7/10/08
Jackie Chan uses a 450D!
Kevin337
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
Posted 6:23 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: Uh yeah....uh ladies
Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E
knyghtryda
Posted 6:18 AM 7/10/08
For me, what I've learned from my parents (and aunts and uncles and everyone else in my family who's from Shanghai) is that you start at 1/3 of asking price, maybe even less, depending on the product (clothes... much less, electronics... 1/3 is normally good if its far below what you'd pay retail). Be sure to hit up a few of the more expensive places to get a taste of what they're expecting. Its one thing to lose a bad deal, but to lose a good deal just cuz you wanted 10 yuan less also hurts. These people are on razor thin margins if you haggle hard, so you just gotta find that happy point.
knyghtryda
Accelerata
Posted 6:50 AM 7/10/08
even half off is probably overpaying for a lot of things in China. on average i spent about 25-30% of the asking price when i went there. it can be a long process with a lot of melodrama, but if you really want to be sure you got the best possible price, you'll know because they'll still be arguing with you even as they wrap it up and take your money.
then again, remember that value is all relative. as long as you feel like you got a good deal, you did. i'll sadly admit that i've haggled over 5 yuan before, but i was getting a good deal either way.
Accelerata
Hintzyboy
Posted 6:40 AM 7/10/08
Have we forgotten about eBay? Unless it's cool stuff you can't get in the US, or you can get it for a song, I'd just as soon keep my money here. Especially since there's no customer service either way (assuming you don't actually live in China and can't take the stuff back once you return to the US).
Hintzyboy
GTgeek
Posted 7:12 AM 7/10/08
Great article! I'd love to go see China some day. A friend of mine went with his orchestra and this is about how he described the various market places.
GTgeek
lapantz4less
Posted 7:08 AM 7/10/08
I really enjoyed the article. It is fascinating to hear how they do business on the other side of the world. Best Buy won't negotiate, really? LOL
Thanks for the article.
Cheers
lapantz4less
henhen
Posted 7:06 AM 7/10/08
ah...from what ive seen...usually stuff made in china breaks down the next day....
im not talking about the stuff made in china for Sony, or toshiba, hp, etc.,
henhen
Kakkoister
Posted 6:59 AM 7/10/08
I demand more pic's of Elaine! :)
Kakkoister
unkpku is think that new comments are like iPhone 3G pre 2.1, ye
Posted 7:13 AM 7/10/08
How would it cost $15,000 to get a decent laptop?
unkpku is think that new comments are like iPhone 3G pre 2.1, yeah it sucks
bwilliams18
Posted 7:52 AM 7/10/08
I went to a place like this in Hangzhou and bought a dvd player after ours broke
it was interesting after going into best buys and circut citys for my whole life
everything is independent except for payment which is in one central booth
bwilliams18
hadees
Posted 7:51 AM 7/10/08
I wonder how many of those "name brands" were just knock offs
hadees
bucho54
Posted 7:47 AM 7/10/08
@Reilaos: Reading Comprehension is your friend!: Definitely.
bucho54
ncangemi
Posted 7:00 AM 7/10/08
Amazing article. Brings me back to my experiences in HK and in Beijing.
In Beijing, I visited the Silk Market and the PC Mall there. A tactic I employed to avoid physical altercation when low balling was simple and easy: simply be silly as ever.
1. when they counter offer yours, simply tell them they are crazy
2. If it is a cute girl behind the counter and your an expat or foreigner tell her she is cute and if she gives you your price you'll take her on a date.
3. she will refuse and slap you in a playful way. Grab their hand and start dancing.
Im dead serious and this has worked for me time and time again whether im purchasing camera's, mp3 players, dvd's, suits, etc.
Botton line, like anyone else, everyone is looking for an experience and if you give it to them you will get what you want. Perhaps a date as well.
ncangemi
SugitaAlcimede
Posted 4:41 AM 7/10/08
Chinese imported goods are all subject to up to 100% taxation, depending on the item. There is still an huge fakes market there, and some of them are exceptionally good looking, but fall apart near instantly. buyer beware.
SugitaAlcimede
PalmerAgenor
Posted 4:14 AM 7/10/08
When I bargain in China, my rule of thumb is to always take 70% off their initial offer and start negotiating from there. If they want your business, they will haggle with you. I've even employed the age-old technique of walking away. In most cases they will chase after you shouting even better deals. Shopping in China is great, tons of deals to be had and people and food are awesome as well.
PalmerAgenor
SecretAZNMan
Posted 8:14 AM 7/10/08
@daftrok: Gonna have to see a front shot to confirm, but all signs point to yes.
SecretAZNMan
Josh Bancroft
Posted 8:45 AM 7/10/08
@Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another du...:
When I was there in April (I'm the guy that took most of those pictures), the iPhones (1st gen - 3G hadn't come out yet) had an asking price of about RMB4200, or $600. They were SIM unlocked (and presumably, jailbroken).
I was REALLY surprised to see as many iPhones as I did when I was in Shanghai. Not just in stores, but in people's hands, on the streets, using them. They were almost as common/popular as in the U.S.
Josh Bancroft
jfreel
Posted 8:39 AM 7/10/08
Great article. It reminds me of by brief visit to Chinatown in NYC. It was crowded, noisy, and smelled strongly of dead fish.
jfreel
jfreel
Posted 8:34 AM 7/10/08
@Ike_Skelton: I'll give you a hint: It involves nudity.
jfreel
Josh Bancroft
Posted 9:07 AM 7/10/08
Forgot to mention that I have a whole bunch more photos from the Shanghai PC Mall from when I was there in April over at this post on my blog. 34 total, if you want to check them out. Post a comment there or on Flickr if you have any questions.
Josh Bancroft
UltimateIdiot
Posted 9:27 AM 7/10/08
@adocious: That is on borderline racism. This is a gadget site and that comment has nothing to do with this article or anything related to this blog. The tainted milk is a problem but uncalled for on this blog.
UltimateIdiot
Bokusatsu_Tenshi
Posted 9:24 AM 7/10/08
Nice...
We had a similar article in some TV news in Brazil during the Olympics.
The tip from the reporters was about the same: Offer half the price, and work it up from there, specially for gadgets.
As for me, I think I'd wait some more to get more money and go to Best Buy or some other store.
I'm a sissie, and I hate negotiating.
I specially hate stores and people who tries to sell me overpriced stuff... I take it as offense.
Bokusatsu_Tenshi
scout121
Posted 9:48 AM 7/10/08
shes a cutie
scout121
Mr_LaZy
Posted 9:35 AM 7/10/08
@adocious:
I don't doubt for a second that that's not racist.
You're bashing the government and you pretend like you "care" but you're using a lame media excuse to say China is a piece of shit.
@HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak:
And honestly, you would think that the government was responsible for what criminals did (poison the milk?), but let's see... America, Mad Cow disease, they just killed the cows. Ecoli, they just stopped feeding us for a while. Oh, and don't forget about the cancer. If you wanna talk like that, why don't we complain the US gov't isn't closing beaches and tanning salons cause they give us skin cancer? Irresponsible gov't now eh? But we don't say anything cause we're in Americaaa and we're so "great". Oh and no offense if you're from another country.
But, Back on Topic...
I'm a Chinese-American, and when I went to one of these in HK, they try to rip you off cause you're not a local, but after a while they give up and they give you the price you want lols.
Mr_LaZy
JoOngle
Posted 10:32 AM 7/10/08
I bargain like that all the time in Denmark, and before that - in Norway...there are no such things as a fixed price - only a fool believes in that.
JoOngle
johnnyabnormal
Posted 11:32 AM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: Funny you should say that: There WAS a post with Blam in shorts and it summoned lots of bro-mance admiration from the male crowd:
[gizmodo.com]
johnnyabnormal
Elaine Chow
Posted 12:31 PM 7/10/08
@Elcheecho: They sure do! One of their methods of competing with local tech marts like this one.
Elaine Chow
Elaine Chow
Posted 12:29 PM 7/10/08
@auroragb: I believe I specified laptop.
I WANT a netbook, and that would be about 3000~4000 yuan...
but for the sentence you're talking about, I meant laptop.
Elaine Chow
nightsky
Posted 3:09 PM 7/10/08
@Stacky Botrus: Clocks are big, machines are heavy.
nightsky
pipichua
Posted 3:40 PM 7/10/08
I live in shanghai.. and... this is one of the better gadget malls.. however i shop at the ghetto ones :D
pipichua
Jaak Ennuste
Posted 4:55 PM 7/10/08
This is gadget heaven
Jack [seoapplied.blogspot.com]
Jaak Ennuste
Elaine Chow
Posted 6:02 PM 7/10/08
@Open_universe: Man, it's kind of lucky that the other gizmodo editors wielded the disemvoweler in here before I even got up this morning. Though now I will forever wonder what exactly these comments actually said.
Elaine Chow
mangochutney
Posted 8:39 PM 7/10/08
Bargaining is a sport over here.
Try buying jeans or shoes, it is madness.
The best way is proposing a totally ludicrous price and then working your way up.
No Chinese person will sell you anything if they don't make some kind of - usually a very very decent - profit.
mangochutney
mangochutney
Posted 8:31 PM 7/10/08
@Curves: I'll do the translating. When do you want to come?
Haggling is almost an art here:
It once took me 30min to buy a Sony Memory Stick in the Zhongguancun in Beijing. It was almost two years back, when those 2GB MS Pro Duo Sticks started cropping up everywhere.
I knew that back in Germany that thing still cost like €45,- but I desperately needed storage.
So I argued and argued and she cursed me and my family, told me that I obviously wanted to see her and all Chinese people starve because the price I wanted was such an insult.
In the end I got it for 225Yuan (almost €23,-) which was quite a deal back then. Also, she threw in a bag for my trusty DSC-P200 free of charge and send me on my way complementing me on my stubbornness.
mangochutney
mangochutney
Posted 8:46 PM 7/10/08
@pipichua: I do that when shopping clothes. Buying in those big tourist-crowded malls in Beijing is very painful. I prefer going into malls that normally only Chinese go into. The prices are better, the booths don't feature the exact same products and i can improve my Chinese, because they often don't speak a word of English.
Not that they know how to speak English in those big malls (there are exceptions, though).
Mostly you here clerks screaming: "Hi Mister, want buy jacket, or leather wallet? I have nice leather wallet for you, or girlfriend, come buy, ok?"
mangochutney
nash72
Posted 9:36 PM 7/10/08
I am planning to go to China for NYE..Shanghai..that is..I am stationed in Malaysia..not sure whether to buy a Sony 300 camera in Malaysia or China simply cause I wonder if I will get the same quality build from China..as I would expect in Malaysia... anyone have an idea????
nash72
mangochutney
Posted 9:48 PM 7/10/08
The products are the same as far as I can tell.
But don't expect huge savings on that stuff.
Also, grab one at a store that you know has genuine products.
I've seen Canon fakes that were stunningly well made.
mangochutney
jamar0303
Posted 10:39 PM 7/10/08
@Hintzyboy: Why wouldn't you be able to take it back?
jamar0303
jamar0303
Posted 10:35 PM 7/10/08
@SugitaAlcimede: if you're paying 100% tax on your shopping you're doing it wrong.
jamar0303
jamar0303
Posted 10:34 PM 7/10/08
@PCLoadLetter: Well, there are places like that (in Shanghai that would be the train station), yes.
jamar0303
jamar0303
Posted 10:32 PM 7/10/08
@PipeRifle: It's definitely the case here in Shanghai. Don't haggle and rest assured the vendor is laughing all the way to the bank.
jamar0303
jamar0303
Posted 10:29 PM 7/10/08
@exstns: Oh god, not those.
jamar0303
jamar0303
Posted 10:51 PM 7/10/08
@nash72:If you buy through official channels, then you'll get the same build quality. But expect to pay more with little room for haggling (in those cases, work up like this- "can you give me any accessories with this purchase?" or something similar). If you want better prices compared to Malaysia then go to the little markets but buyer beware.
jamar0303
jinnman
Posted 10:42 PM 7/10/08
Do they use the same power outlet as North America?
jinnman
geodesigner
Posted 11:25 PM 7/10/08
China -> Jackie Chan does ad for Canon
US -> Aston Kutcher does ad for Nikon
VICTORY -> CHINA!!!
geodesigner
mangochutney
Posted 12:30 AM 8/10/08
@jinnman: Sometimes. The Chinese one is a three-pronged adapter, where the lower two pins are oriented vertically.
mangochutney
DaphneAnt
Posted 11:26 PM 7/10/08
Hi Elaine, Glad to see your report about the PC mall in my city. If you would like to buy some gadget in Shanghai next time, I would like give you some advices. 1. Don't carry and pay in cash if it is not a little money. You can insist to pay with your credit card. For notebooks it should be 100% work, for gadget which price lower than 100 yuan, maybe you will be asked to pay the transaction fee not exceed 1~2% which will be taken by bank system. 2. I have to correct you that the bargain way is not a "Chinese" way, it just a bazaar way. The PC mall actually is a bazaar which rent cubics to small retailers(most of them only have several employees). In real malls and supermarkets there is no bargain. 3. Nowadays, only aged or unconnected locals will goto bazaars like the PC mall to shop for gadgets. Because you can buy almost everything, more than you can find in the PC mall, in the internet bazaar or mall. If you do need to touch and feel the gadget before the purchase, you can go to the PC mall get what you want and go back to internet to find the deal. I you can read chinese, I suppose you could because I didn't see your mention about any translator with you when you head to the PC mall, I suggest 2 websites for you. www.taobao.com It's started and still based as a bazaar. The lowest tagged price is almost the real deal price since tough competitions around there. But be careful to choose sellers with high credit to avoid fake products. It also has a "mall" inside now, there is no bargain, the credit is insured. www.360buy.com It's a mall. It has good repute and always has lower price than www.newegg.com.cn but don't have as much goods as taobao.com Even if you don't what to buy gadget directly from the webs, remember to check the price on them before you goto the "PC mall". Hope the advices could help you
DaphneAnt
clay82
Posted 3:00 AM 8/10/08
I currently live in Guangzhou and go to it's computer city at least once a week, it really is a techy's dreamworld. After a few initial bad buys, I made a few rules for myself that I exercise every time I go: if I'm looking for something, I will price it first at no fewer than 6 to 8 other booths to get the regular going rate. Secondly, I will rarely ever go to a booth where the clerk invites me - which is almost never. But occasionally you'll get the clerk who won't breathe down your neck, they're the ones I'm more apt to trust.
clay82
ten10
Posted 4:21 AM 8/10/08
Anyone notice the JackieChan ad is fake as hell. I mean look, it's like cutouts from 4 different magazines put together.
Wow this is one of the good marts in China. They've got lights!
ten10
fuzzmanmatt
Posted 3:17 PM 8/10/08
@daftrok: Yup. Yes yes yes. Yup.
fuzzmanmatt
HeadlessBourgeois
Posted 11:53 PM 8/10/08
@Minotaar:
racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
xenophobia
An unreasonable fear, distrust, or hatred of strangers, foreigners, or anything perceived as foreign or different.
Hopefully you'll use them correctly in the future.
HeadlessBourgeois