Software
Why Android Will Soon Kick Arse
Posted by John Mahoney at 5:55 AM on September 30, 2008
When the T-Mobile G1 was shown off in NYC last week, it didn't have the gusto of a Stevenote. There was no 'boom!'--no 'one more thing!' And as a result, many (including us) felt a bit underwhelmed, and were quick to interpret the device's inconsistent GUI as an indicator that the lack of attention to detail would doom it.
But allow me to remind all of those getting their naysay on this early in the game that we've seen only a fraction of what the G1 can and will be able to do with the open-source Android OS. And when Google's mobile machine is finally humming at full power--with an army of coders cranking out add-ons for the Market, today's skeptics--including some of us--are going to have to eat crow. It's not about pretty icons, Apple fanboys, and its not about business use, Windows Mobile Nerds: its about giving people the true tools to build whatever they want without lame App Store limitations and OS handcuffs. It's about giving phone makers shackled to Symbian and Microsoft's phone OS the chance to build with something different and better and free. And who's going to complain about that?
Back to Apple for a minute: The iPhone has brainwashed us into thinking everything that's revolutionary and exciting in the gadget world needs to be a sex object. Now I enjoy an Apple hardware brainfuck as much as the next, but a phone is never a better phone because of hardware alone, and Google knows this too. And it will be entering the market at a time when iPhone's software strategy is starting to show wobbly legs. If you've been reading our weekly app roundups, you've probably noticed the story shifting away from clever developers doing cool things no one previously thought possible to more about what Apple won't let iPhone developers and users do with their phones. As a result, we've seen tons of variety, but not a lot of depth. There are a ton of clever calculator apps of various kinds. There are a ton of games, a ton of flashlights. But in the groundbreaking and unexpected functionality department, all anyone can hear lately is crickets. And Apple's lawyers trying to get the crickets to sign an NDA.
No one else makes a legitimate phone OS with all this support that can be tweaked down to the very roots. For one thing, I'm excited to be able to download an entirely different version of all of Android's core application if I don't like the default 1.0 versions--and that's every app, everything from the dialer to the contacts manager--something that's technically possible in WinMo but often comes off more as an awkward re-skinning and not a top-down integration. I'm excited to add system-level features to my phone for free, and not just apps that are only allowed to bounce around on the surface. These are the benefits that an open platform will allow developers to provide to Android users, and the benefits that Google hopes all mobile phone customers will come to expect from their phones as a result
This is all banking on the platform being successful, of course, which is obviously up in the air this early on. But would Google mount such a huge undertaking as Android if they were only expecting to be a different flavour of Windows Mobile? That seems hard to believe.
Everyone who gave the G1 a quick run-through last week was in reality testing a product still in beta. Because as we've said repeatedly, Android is now in the hands of its developers (from within Google itself as well as third-parties), who will have unprecedented access to all parts of a mobile phone and a centralized distribution network (Android Market) in order to do things that have only been teased until now. It's all banking on the Market, and its ability to attract grade-A content that will provide even novice mobile phone users with many opportunities to greatly customise their phones.
To do this Android will need one thing: critical mass, on both the developer and consumer side, in that order--with each reinforcing the other. Its pre-release may be sold-out, but on October 22 there probably won't be campers and local news crews stretched for miles outside of the T-Mobile store. That's because Google knows who they need to go after first--the developers. The geek community. It wasn't a coincidence that at launch, Sergey Brin came on stage on Rollerblades bragging about his accelerometer phone-toss app that he wrote himself. This first release is all about getting developers into Android, and giving them a similar open dev environment that Larry and Sergey will be the first to tell you they couldn't have built Google without. The iPhone didn't get that until version 2.0, many firmware releases later--and it's still not nearly as open as Android will be. (The iPhone also couldn't reliably hold a call without dropping for many until version 2.1, but that's besides the point.)
Open source has failed many times before, critics will say. Here's why Android will not fail in this regard: governance. Google told us that priority number one right now with Android is setting the standards by which the project will operate--what makes a device Android 1.0 compatible, how often full system upgrades will be offered, and the like. One thing that's fairly evident, though, is that an upgrade path will have to be fairly regimented (closer to Ubuntu's strict twice-yearly schedule, rather than the "release whenever we feel like it" model found in other smaller projects) in order to keep all of the members of the huge Open Handset Alliance all on the same page. There will be no folks still waiting for their carrier to release Windows Mobile 6.1, years after it was made available. Android will not and cannot operate like this--to keep the Market thriving, all of the developers and users will need to be on the same (regular) release schedule. So, while they're taking care of the problems of being open source, they're also taking care of the same problems that a paid platform like Windows Mobile has.
Google has their eyes on the long haul with Android. Which is why reactions to a somewhat scattered UI in the very first implementation is not something they're worried about too much. This is a platform about further reducing the mobile carriers to raw pipes of data, and giving full control to the consumer. It's about creating a critical-mass open-source ecosystem. And even if they fail to sell a ton of handsets, they've already put pressure on all the carriers and phone makers by the fact that they've created a free alternative that does not have to win to impact the players in this industry.
Of course, all of these arguments can be debated, but there's one thing that no no one can argue with: You don't take Google lightly.

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ACEzWILD
Posted 6:45 AM 30/9/08
@lpranal:
You do realize there are more than one author on this site don't you? You think they all are iFanbois like Jesus?
ACEzWILD
Barry99705
Posted 6:45 AM 30/9/08
@RalphWiggum: 'Cause the average soccer mom need exchange support.
Barry99705
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 6:42 AM 30/9/08
@tabaks: Are you saying that Google=Skynet??
Oh God, someone alert the press. Quick shout it from the rooftops. Tell the masses before we're all doomed...DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
Seriously dude, take off the tinfoil hat for a while. It's not that bad.
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
SgtToastie
Posted 6:41 AM 30/9/08
@klamerus: Except Linux isn't funded by Google. That's a pretty big difference. I mean look how quickly Chrome became popular.
SgtToastie
freakshow1
Posted 6:39 AM 30/9/08
@A Pimp Named DaveR:
Mr. Ballmer?
freakshow1
surur
Posted 6:39 AM 30/9/08
@IKEACAR:
Thats why there is so many viruses for the 35 million Windows Mobile users who can run any app they want?
Funny how iPhans swallowed the FUD so easily.
surur
freakshow1
Posted 6:39 AM 30/9/08
Can't wait for the first security hole. Then you will have the BOOOOOOOOM.
freakshow1
ripfire
Posted 6:39 AM 30/9/08
@RalphWiggum: Exactly! High five fellow WinMo Nerd!
ripfire
adhir
Posted 6:37 AM 30/9/08
Amidst all this sucking and ass kicking of Android and iPhone, I can't help wondering when we're going to see an Android for iPhone project... Should be possible, yea? No reason some smart group of devs shouldn't get together and roll up a release for our beloved iPhones... Then we have the choice -- closed, but pretty and somewhat limited, or fully open, probably ugly/clunky, but totally unrestricted...
I suppose all that's missing is the hardware specs/apis, but that hasn't stopped these ppl before...
adhir
Pope John Peeps II
Posted 6:37 AM 30/9/08
@tabaks: Security concerns and open source development don't have to be opposed to each other. Developers partner with internet security companies to secure their programs, and said security companies get new advertisement.
And I hate to tell you, but your browsing and phoning habits aren't really protected information.
Pope John Peeps II
malaklaze
Posted 6:34 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib: Yeah... so that's the reason why linux failed... hmmm...
malaklaze
Pope John Peeps II
Posted 6:34 AM 30/9/08
@i_prefer_sasquatch: You know, these articles are written by DIFFERENT authors, right? I mean, you've pieced that together, right?
Becuase maybe that explains the different opinions on this site - that there are different writers? huh? maybe? maybe? huh? maybe? huh? maybe? maybe? huh?
Pope John Peeps II
max11221
Posted 6:34 AM 30/9/08
@Ron-Mexico:
When did Windows "fail"? I think Gates is worth about 50 billion dollars? Wish I could "fail" like that.
If you are just in "bashing mode" you just proved Mayor Mcribs point....Windows does not control hardware at ALL...so you get people adding crap that MS has no control over and it can cause a driver problem. Last time I checked MS does not run Nvida..so if Nvida or Adobe doesn't do THEIR jobs how is that MS' fault or make them a "failure".
Geeze get off the fanboy wagon for a minute, you like Macs? Great use them. Does it increase your self worth to bash MS? Seriously I haven't had a SINGLE problem with Windows since Win Me. "fail"? uuhh you mean like trying to get 3G service on an iPhone? (I own a 1st gen iPhone)
max11221
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 6:32 AM 30/9/08
@DeadWriter: Yeah but you know once she bats her big sad eyes at you and promises to make it all better you'll take her back. Again and again...
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Ike_Skelton
Posted 6:31 AM 30/9/08
@praevalesco: Shut up. That's not at all what this article was about. Yes, it pointed out that the Apple app store was pretty restrictive, WHICH IT IS, but the whole of the article was about ANDROID, not Apple.
Ike_Skelton
i_prefer_sasquatch
Posted 6:30 AM 30/9/08
@BanMeAgainBrianLam:
No doubt. Well, there's always room for improvement!
i_prefer_sasquatch
pizzlepaps
Posted 6:29 AM 30/9/08
@praevalesco: shit dude, got a stick up your ass? sounds like it
pizzlepaps
SgtToastie
Posted 6:28 AM 30/9/08
Wait...what.....um, I was just caught off guard, but I agree with your article. Thank you for a very informative and well thought out article. Although next week you might be bashing it again so we'll wait for this thing to get into the market and enjoy some real consumer testing before I decide whether to adopt Android or not.
SgtToastie
tabaks
Posted 6:28 AM 30/9/08
@praevalesco:
Take a chill pill dude. And grow up.
tabaks
klamerus
Posted 6:27 AM 30/9/08
Seems to me that we have nothing more going on here than the Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux situation, but played out on phones.
You can either have an entirely closed system that costs a ridiculous amount, works very well and has limited apps
-or-
you can have an environment that works less well, but is pretty open so far as applications created for it, but maybe not looking quite so good.
-or-
you can have an entirely open environment that looks more clunky than either, but which tosses aside the shackles of either big bully company.
They all have +/-.
klamerus
tabaks
Posted 6:27 AM 30/9/08
Wow, I am amazed to see everyone dancing on a Google-DoubleClick party and doesn't get the MAIN thing: this is just a atep closer to not having even a SHRED of control over your private data, browsing habits, phoning habits history or what else you'll have. This (Android) is a HUGE mistake which will turn around and bite us all into our collective tookas. (For this same reason I'll have nothing to do with the new Google web browser, either.) All this is no different than the whole drama over ISP/Commercial tracking of user's COMPLETE traffic which stirred huge controversy in Britain. And now we're being suckered in like chumps.
tabaks
geodesigner
Posted 6:27 AM 30/9/08
Woohoo, finally Android is getting the proper coverage approach here in Gizmodo. As Sasquatch above mentioned, in the weeks before the launch everyone here was so thrilled and then, upon release, everyone just got oh-so-disappointed because there were press material design flaws.
I reckon they should be a little more careful with all that (since it's their product's face right now), but people should be able to see that Android is a heaven's bless for real geeks. Not fancy, jewel-laden hardware with great looks, excellent interfaces and overall good design, it's an open concept, and a very solid one that could change the game on so many levels. I, for one, am extremely excited to see where it's gonna take us, but IMHO it's gonna be the best, most useful handheld thing since the HP12c.
geodesigner
max11221
Posted 6:26 AM 30/9/08
Problem is this.
Apple = draconian restrictions for total control of their product (hardware and software) assuring the "purchasers" do not screw it up with a "bad app" or overload it. = Always good because it APPLE!!!!
MS = bad guys no matter what they do....because...well they aren't Apple duh! If you have a WM phone they work fine if you don't overload it with crap...then people complain when they have 100 programs running on it for being "sluggish"...sorry my iPhone gets bogged down also if I load certain apps. Vista? Oh thats a crappy OS, always crashes? Yeah right, I haven't had a BOD since Win Me and have 3 Comps running constantly and have many friends I set up computers for and they have no problems.
Another friend is a graphics artist and of course she uses Macs...she likes them a lot...but guess what? Her computer crashed several times. It wasn't her, she is very careful since it is a "work" computer. Turns out her sister was crashing it...basically a computer idiot.
MS/PCs crash because idiots do crap they shouldn't and then blame the nearest person. What happens it I replace the video card in a Mac that isn't "authorized"? Oh thats right it won't work! Well sorry that is the same thing that happens with MS if you use a bad card with a bad driver, the problem is it "trys" to work..because MS isn't the big bad wolf TELLING you what you can and can't do like APPLE!
Google....ok they are akin to Apple more than MS, but you will see. it will be "open" and people will bog it down and then blame the hardware or software...just like they do to MS. Wait it will happen....the iPhone will still be god's gift to us even if it can't you know make a phone call or get 3G when every other 3G phone has service...you know because it is APPLE Yeah!!
Oh by the way I own three iPods and a hacked iPhone...just sick of the blind passes that Apple gets by the fanboys. really it has gotten sickening..
max11221
ARP
Posted 6:25 AM 30/9/08
Combine the carrier's whims with the schizophrenia/reliability (from a development standpoint) issues from Open source and you'll need a very strong hand to maintain the "look and feel" of the platform. I'm not sure Google is up to it unless they pour heavy resources into the apps (not just the platform).
iPhone is far from perfect, but their strength is in the predictability of the UI and function- everything (sort of) works the same way.
So if Google can provide the guidance (without being overly controlling like Apple) and they can get carriers off their backs (e.g. Navigation apps), they might have something.
ARP
IKEACAR
Posted 6:24 AM 30/9/08
There is a reason why Macs are more user friendly and stable than PC's. Same will apply to the phones.
When allow every dude that knows how to run together a string of code to write software for your mobile device, you are not just opening up the door to them, you are tearing down the whole store front, disabling the alarms and tearing up your inventory sheets.
As fast as people start creating kick ass software for these phones that will make them "iPhone Killers", people will be creating ass kicking viruses, etc, that will destroy their phones.
IKEACAR
BanMeAgainBrianLam
Posted 6:23 AM 30/9/08
@i_prefer_sasquatch: Hi, you must be new here. Welcome to Gizmodo: median age ~25, median matutity ~5
BanMeAgainBrianLam
CaptMoose
Posted 6:23 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib:
I think you're stuck in the IBM, Apple, Commodore mindset from the '80 and early '90s. If you'll recall, you've described their strategy exactly. You'll also recall, that that strategy failed. How did Microsoft initially revolutionize the home computing industry? By creating an environment that attracted developers.
CaptMoose
pdditty
Posted 6:22 AM 30/9/08
@RalphWiggum: AMEN!
pdditty
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 6:22 AM 30/9/08
I predict that many developers will program specialty business applications for niche markets and make quite a bit of money, but Android will never catch on for mass consumption.
RacecarBoobTat
shpe11
Posted 6:20 AM 30/9/08
make me a phone with fullOption API for flash lite...
like the accelerometer API in the SE k850i ([www.trekker-reactor.isq-networks-server.com] and in use:
+ Watch video
so i'm not talking just for the motionSensor but all the functions... camera foto-video, making calls, sms, e-mails, (maybe not browsing - I don't wanna make a html parser...), sounds, vibrating, gps, lightSensor
then i'll be happy... and flashLite4 with 3D flash CS4 capabilities :D
shpe11
Ron-Mexico
Posted 6:19 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib: That's the same reason Windows (non-mobile) failed too right?
Ron-Mexico
henhowc
Posted 6:18 AM 30/9/08
wall of text
henhowc
Ron-Mexico
Posted 6:17 AM 30/9/08
"Of course, all of these arguments can be debated, but there's one thing that no no one can argue with: You don't take Google lightly."
Indeed. They've got a mountain of cash, no debt and desperately want to open another major revenue channel. And mobile is definitely where they see their best chance.
Ron-Mexico
RalphWiggum
Posted 6:16 AM 30/9/08
It's not worth a seconds thought until there's decent hardware and Exchange support.
RalphWiggum
DeadWriter
Posted 6:16 AM 30/9/08
I may be with Giz on this one. A smart phone with cut-and-paste, application information export (like notepad, voice notets, etc...) and that remembered where my app. icons were supposed to go might just beat the iPhone. Then again, Windows Mobile and Palm already figured these things out, why their advertising is not featuring this, I do not know.
I love my iPod, less it's flaws, but like any true love, I'll stick with it until it cheats on me for the 27th time.
DeadWriter
Zomb
Posted 6:16 AM 30/9/08
@praevalesco: WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA Someone made a good anti apple app store review WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAA I can't take it so i have to act like a two year old WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA.
If you can't take anything anti apple just go to apple.com and look at their web page all day you'll be much happier
Zomb
i_prefer_sasquatch
Posted 6:15 AM 30/9/08
Isn't there some alternative to writing alternating articles that flip between:
"xxxx is gonna SUCK!"
"xxxx is gonna RULE!"
I mean, we're not 4th graders here. Why not just write an article from the get-go that points out the faults and merits of xxx?
i_prefer_sasquatch
Tweak
Posted 6:13 AM 30/9/08
@praevalesco: obviously you need to read it again, and this read the whole thing and not just the parts where about iPhone flaws
Tweak
KeithJ
Posted 6:12 AM 30/9/08
actions speak louder than theories.
KeithJ
A Pimp Named DaveR
Posted 6:12 AM 30/9/08
Isn't this all just a redux of PC/Mac circa 1990 or so?
Mac/iPhone: OS tied to particular hardware, etc.
PC-Windows/Android: non-hardware specific, more "open" development, etc.
A Pimp Named DaveR
ratheen
Posted 6:10 AM 30/9/08
WM 6.1 Pro Sux ... it just does .. there is no reason why ..
MAC mobile OS (iPhone) Sux because it's locked
i wonder how Android will be ...
ratheen
Mayor McRib
Posted 6:08 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib:
*built not build
Mayor McRib
Mayor McRib
Posted 6:07 AM 30/9/08
Android will FAIL for the same reason as Windows Mobile. You lose too much intelligent functionality when you don't design the software AND the hardware. If they are build for each other, they are better matched. I am not saying that Apple/iPhone are perfect by any means, but by having the software and hardware under one roof there is a much better chance for things to "just work." That same controlling attitude is what is straining the developers, but smart developers will grasp that and bring the apps that we desire in a way that Apple can let go of the control.
Mayor McRib
Null42
Posted 6:04 AM 30/9/08
I was going to make a comment regarding the cool potential of Android...then I realized it will probably be washed away in a sudden flood of OMGiPhone > *
Null42
EVEs_Mako
Posted 6:03 AM 30/9/08
So, what you are saying is we are witnessing the new Linux for handhelds? Will Android stay truely "open"?
EVEs_Mako
dennitzio
Posted 6:02 AM 30/9/08
I am an iphone iphan, but I agree that let's not count all the G-phone's chickens before they hatch. Many people say the iphone wasn't out of beta until the 3G and 2.1 firmware - that's a year after first release. Let's see where Google, et al. go with this before we assume it's crap. Besides, Apple needs some real competition. WinMo certainly isn't it.
dennitzio
lpranal
Posted 6:02 AM 30/9/08
This might just be my perception, but the Giz's stance on Android has been, as far as I can tell, one of hyperbolic schizophrenia. "Why android sucks" "Why android is going to save the world". "Will kick ass" is about the most sober analysis so far.
But, at least it engages debate, I guess. Not always well thought out, realistic debate, but it's better than just being "meh" about it. Plus I tend to agree, Android and iPhone users are going to get the royal treatment out of this competition.
lpranal
praevalesco
Posted 6:02 AM 30/9/08
Article summary... WAAAAA WAAAA WAAAAA, Apples app store is closed to cool apps... WAAA WAAA WAAA... I'll make Android look sexy to pressure Apple to open the app store more... WAAAA WAAA WAAAAA
I think that about sums it up... WAAA
praevalesco
baltwade
Posted 7:07 AM 30/9/08
@A Pimp Named DaveR: That's what I've been saying. Ever since the iPhone there has been an increase interest in smartphones. We're going to see a lot more smartphones being made from companies that are not traditional phone manufactures. They'll make the hardware and use someone else's OS. And that's going to be either WinMo or Android.
baltwade
ArtInvent
Posted 7:05 AM 30/9/08
This all really boils down to philosophy - open vs closed. Here is the $64 question: if Apple makes the best hardware and software - and they clearly do - why are they, after 20 odd years of competing, still stuck at sub-10% of the PC market? Why hasn't the iPhone just KILLED RIM and Palm and WinMo and Nokia smartphones?
I think the answer is clearly their very business model - their proprietary closed-off rigid complete control over the Apple universe. That's really got to be it, because it's the only other thing they do 'different.' They are the exact opposite of open.
In other words, the reasons they are so successful - the firm tying together of hardware and software, the extreme protection they exert over their IP - are exactly the reason they will never be more than a niche player in the greater world of these devices.
Google has already shown how the open model plays, and made a fortune doing it. Their business model is the only one that makes sense.
ArtInvent
jkr's bold comment
Posted 7:02 AM 30/9/08
Wow, an article that I completely agree w/ 100%. I'm not an android fanboy, but I really want to be, or at least I really want android to be deserving of it. Like the article said though, even if android fails, it still wins, in that we as users will benefit in some way, through innovation.
jkr's bold comment
Noobs-R-Us
Posted 7:01 AM 30/9/08
How wrong are you? Let me count the ways…
You're wrong because this mess you call open source platform will be a disaster in terms of having control over what will appear on these phones. Sure, there will be some really cool apps that will be developed but 97% of it will be pure crap. How will they be able to keep the pure crap from overwhelming the good stuff? Let me tell you, MSFT has had a hard time developing their OS. Why? Because other people's crap ware keeps crashing their OS. Don't you think the same will happen to Google?
Noobs-R-Us
Ron-Mexico
Posted 6:58 AM 30/9/08
@tastypotato: @tastypotato: Indeed. I didn't think I'd have to use sarcasm tags here at Giz.
Apple rules!! $95 for a power cable? Hell yeah!
Ron-Mexico
Barry99705
Posted 6:58 AM 30/9/08
@tastypotato: Touche! Though the first gen iPhone os didn't have exchange support either. I'd bet my first get iPod there will be exchange support by Christmas.
Barry99705
tastypotato
Posted 6:52 AM 30/9/08
@Barry99705:
'Cause the average mom is going to need an open source platform..
tastypotato
ripfire
Posted 6:50 AM 30/9/08
@mullingitover: Damn. Heh. Beat me to it.
ripfire
tastypotato
Posted 6:49 AM 30/9/08
@max11221:
I think your sarcasm meter is broken, might want to get that checked out. :)
tastypotato
Seinosuke
Posted 6:49 AM 30/9/08
@CaptMoose: Precisely. To quote Steve Ballmer: "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!"
Seinosuke
ripfire
Posted 6:48 AM 30/9/08
@SgtToastie: Wait, what? Chrome who?
ripfire
surur
Posted 6:48 AM 30/9/08
@freakshow1:
The first security hole for the iPhone was the TIFF exploit, meaning you could run arbitrary code on anyone's iPhone just by having a picture up on a web page...
I did not notice any Booooom.
surur
mullingitover
Posted 6:47 AM 30/9/08
Android is gonna be huge. It will be to mobile phones what Linux is to desktop computers! :P
mullingitover
DMcGrew
Posted 7:30 AM 30/9/08
You will be wrong.
DMcGrew
Mayor McRib
Posted 7:21 AM 30/9/08
@CaptMoose:
Actually, Apple licensed to other hardware manufacturers in the early 90's. As you can imagine it worked out great.
Mac Clones were abundant, many said it was just too late. Developers are working for the iPhone and Mac. You are just tied into the hardware that is built for it.
Mayor McRib
rexplex
Posted 7:16 AM 30/9/08
Android puts me in mind of an old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times."
As there is currently to way to sell an Android App, there is no good way for Android Devs to earn money. I think that Google wants to be able to monetize the software later, but at this point you can't.
OTH, because it's open, the Devs have a lot more freedom.
In a market economy, the good ideas generally go where they can be rewarded financially, so at this point the iPhone App Store has a huge advantage, IMO.
I also think that once there are multiple HW sets running Android, the devs work gets a lot harder.
All in all, I think that the only loser here is in Redmond.
rexplex
Ryan Goins
Posted 7:16 AM 30/9/08
Apple is lucky to be Apple. They can do pretty much whatever they want and still sell. It's frustrating as all hell to see what they are doing with the app store and even more frustrating knowing that it won't hurt sales one bit. To the end user the app store is unbelievable. They can get what they want instantly. But to the nerds like us it is beyond annoying the limitations that have been set in place.
I'm really excited to see what android is capable of. The one problem I see with it is it being on so many different types of devices. I can see developers having to make multiple versions of their app for different devices. All depending on if it is touch screen, multi-touch, and so forth.
Ryan Goins
Mayor McRib
Posted 7:14 AM 30/9/08
@Ron-Mexico:
Windows Vista is failing because of initial 3rd party driver support. If you want to get technical, Apple deals with many of the same 3rd parties but Leopard was much smoother. The debate isn't about Windows (non-mobile). Handsets are even a bigger headache due to conflicting standards for the OS. Android has the best of intentions, and I hope it works. They just have lots of cards stacked against them. They would have had a better chance if they would have developed their own hardware AND their own Telco.
Mayor McRib
SyphonFilter
Posted 7:12 AM 30/9/08
@BanMeAgainBrianLam:
Are you talking about readers or the writers and editors?
SyphonFilter
QueridaJaloo
Posted 7:10 AM 30/9/08
I don't find the "this will fail for the same reason windows failed" argument very compelling given that windows has been much more successful than any apple product. Windows crashes sometimes. Sometimes I install programs that end up sucking. It's still my OS of choice and similarly, I expect Android to be many people's mobile OS of choice.
QueridaJaloo
LoringMcCabe
Posted 6:57 AM 30/9/08
Wow! People are seriously saying the Android platform will fail because you can get viruses or have your private data stolen? Have any of you used a computer? Ever? A little common sense goes a long way. I don't need daddy Apple watching over me and my phone to tell me what I can and can't have.
LoringMcCabe
BlakeGaruda
Posted 6:22 AM 30/9/08
I have a ATT Treo 750. i wonder if they will be able to write the Android OS for existing phones that you can just upload on the phone. That would be perfect.
BlakeGaruda
Rand
Posted 7:56 AM 30/9/08
isn't, isn't pegging the meter....damn.
Rand
CaptMoose
Posted 7:56 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib: Fair enough. And Apple's been successful in recent years, but controlling your own hardware keeps the product price high (and profit too) which in turn limits the size of your market.
It sounds like Android will be free for the hardware manufacturers, and there'll be stiff competition between several different manufacturers. Both factors will hopefully bring the price down low enough to create a substantially larger market. (and bring in even more devs)
CaptMoose
QamraBuffalo
Posted 7:55 AM 30/9/08
Devs will make more money with android. Not only will they get a larger cut, since GOOG will take nothing, but there will be more android phones than iphones. One phone model might not outsell the iphone but next year the number of android phones being released is in the teens. The person who wrote this article is either very insightful, talked to GOOG, or has been watching GOOG as a company in amanner investors do.
QamraBuffalo
Rand
Posted 7:54 AM 30/9/08
Open source is all well and good, as long as the base system is protected from tampering whether deliberate or from shoddy programming practices. First and foremost the phone needs to work as a phone. I know I am pissed at Apple for not allowing some cool applications, but the same guys who are bitching about restrictions on applications are the same ones who bitch about the applications crashing the phone. All for a robust development environment, just hope Android is pegging the meter in the other direction. I think the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
Rand
PatriciaAlcathous
Posted 7:54 AM 30/9/08
All of the negative things said about Android and the G1 have been told by Jesus. John has given the most thorough, unbiased article on Android yet! We all know the UI and Hardware don't look great but it is all about USER EXPERIENCE. I have and love my iPhone to death, but I will be the first to say that Android is better IF it is. That's the thing, no one can open their mouths yet. There is not one person on a forum or blog that can validate an iPhone vs. G1 argument. So all of the hipster iPhone lovers need to shut up. This is a good thing that is happening in the open source community and mobile phone market. This article is merely overall explaining the POTENTIAL of Android, and in that respect, it is 100% accurate.
PatriciaAlcathous
Anticitizen
Posted 7:50 AM 30/9/08
@surur: FUD? I call this fact:
[www.microsoft.com]
There is no way to get a virus on your iPhone. That security bulletin and the availability of Anti virus/spyware solutions for Windows Mobile only prove that the WinMo platform can get viruses.
iPhones? No. Because of the App Store. I'll agree the review process needs to be loosened, but the sole point remains: It prevents stupid consumers from installing malware on their iPhones.
Kindly check your facts.
Anticitizen
sos10
Posted 7:47 AM 30/9/08
Written from a Nerd point of view, not from "your average consumer" point of view... first of many mistakes in this opinion piece.
sos10
The_Bronze
Posted 7:39 AM 30/9/08
"If you've been reading our weekly app roundups, you've probably noticed the story shifting away from clever developers doing cool things no one previously thought possible to more about what Apple won't let iPhone developers and users do with their phones."
And this suprises you, why? This SOP for Apple.
At the end of the day, people, they're just phones. That's right, just phones....
The_Bronze
SilenceisGolden
Posted 8:12 AM 30/9/08
@EVEs_Mako: Apples new slogan should be... " Apple (celeb pointing to the logo).... millions have sold their soul"
Android will be so much more fun.
iPhone = bandwagon
Android + Customization = success
Android - Customization = iPhone
SilenceisGolden
BanMeAgainBrianLam
Posted 8:06 AM 30/9/08
@Anticitizen: "There is no way to get a virus on your iPhone"
Never say never to the type of people that make viruses. If someone really wanted to it could happen.
"the sole point remains: It prevents stupid consumers from installing malware on their iPhones."
This just demonstrates the arrogance of Apple and their assumption that they are smarter than their users. Bad assumption, bad company.
BanMeAgainBrianLam
geodesigner
Posted 8:05 AM 30/9/08
@SgtToastie: Bad comparison. Chrome sucked big time. And that's coming form a Google fan and all-around early adopter of Google stuff. Hopefully they will do better with Android.
Fair comparison would be Mozilla Firefox and it's amazing usefullness, myriad of plugins, extensions and addons built on a geek-oriented fashion. It's hard not to find an add-on you want for it. If Android ever get to be like that, it's gonna be killer.
geodesigner
Forsakenchild
Posted 8:05 AM 30/9/08
@sos10: Uh, if this is in response to the article, then welcome to Gizmodo? I would have to say that Gizmodo's demographics are primarily the "nerds"; therefore, it is written from a "Nerd point of view" for the majority on here. Then again, I could just be totally misreading your comment, which is damn bloody likely.
Forsakenchild
SilenceisGolden
Posted 8:04 AM 30/9/08
@bahmodo: I hate that our Iphone can do so much more but wont. Ive said it once and ive said it again....CONSUMERISM.
SilenceisGolden
neosoul
Posted 8:04 AM 30/9/08
Let me try to stay on topic.
You guys think it's easy throwing features together and having the carrier accept it? There is a reason why two exact model phones from different carriers offer (neuter) different features (LOOKING AT YOU VERIZON).
As much as I hate Apple, I must admit that it has certainly opened the right doors for phone developers. Creating what I feel is the first true mobile convergence device. As restrictive as the app store may be, I think it's necessary to maintain stability on the device. You think you suffered crashes before? Imagine having a sh*tload of not properly qualified applications running on your mobile device.
With that said however, I think the industry as a whole will be able to grow significantly due to the endeavors of both companies. The initial complexity and feature set of Android devices should be able to keep it off of the hands of idiots that will load anything and everything, allowing it to grow a substantial smart fan base and ultimately equating to formidable platform.
neosoul
BanMeAgainBrianLam
Posted 8:01 AM 30/9/08
@SyphonFilter: Both really, though I suppose the "writers and editors" bucket should get a bump on the mautrity level. Not so far as to make it equal to their actual age, just better than the overall reader population
BanMeAgainBrianLam
max11221
Posted 8:36 AM 30/9/08
@Ron-Mexico:
Well it is Apple central...I mean Giz...not used to anything but a bash fest on MS. Just so sick of the fanboi crap...Apple! PS3!...Heck I own Apple products, MS products, Sony products...my first iPhone died in 3 months, my stupid Sony TX $2300 notebook crapped the bed 2 weeks after the year warranty expired...My launch day 360 and my Windows PC have never had a problem. My iPods have minor issues like not wanting to turn off and such. But I don't go on every board and make a big deal about it like so many Apple fanbois do.
So my mistake on the sarcasm...just not used to a rational point being made...FYI many Apple fanboy's do consider Windows a "fail"...???? My apologies.
max11221
Spaz6to8
Posted 8:25 AM 30/9/08
@DeadWriter: Its so awesome how the iphone can do so much but with alot of people it comes down to copy and paste and to me thats awesome. I mean come on... The Sidekicks can copy and paste quite well...enough said
Spaz6to8
soopafly
Posted 9:00 AM 30/9/08
@BanMeAgainBrianLam:
"Never say never to the type of people that make viruses. If someone really wanted to it could happen."
So nobody wants to make a virus for the Mac? I'm still waiting for a Mac OSX virus. How come this hasn't happened yet? I'm sure people hate us Mac users. I'm not running any antivirus/antispyware and visit any site i want and download anything I want. Where's my virus?
Anyway, back to the point. Android will probably soon kick some butt, it's too early to say.
soopafly
vicsells
Posted 8:58 AM 30/9/08
great article man I'M EXCITED ABOUT ANDROID TOO!!! (ESP AFTER THIS ARTICLE)
vicsells
soopafly
Posted 8:50 AM 30/9/08
@ratheen: Have you even used the iPhone?? I don't anyone who says their iPhone sux because it's locked. There are plenty of free apps out there for the iPhone.
Andriod Market will be a cluster-fuck. 11 year old "programmers" uploading their first apps. Count me out please...
soopafly
Grodesh
Posted 9:34 AM 30/9/08
@BanMeAgainBrianLam:
Someone here is having problem with maturity...
Grodesh
WhizKidRaven
Posted 9:32 AM 30/9/08
@bahmodo:
For someone with an icon like that, I'd expect about as much...
WhizKidRaven
altus
Posted 9:30 AM 30/9/08
So the key is to see when the key franchises on the iPhone that are not on other platforms, such as Pangea or MotionX get to Android. Remember that Android is Java mostly. Not Objective C or C++ and it does present barriers for state of the art gaming.
altus
SuperSan
Posted 9:22 AM 30/9/08
All Android and G1 has done so far is reaffirm every Iphone owner's decision to go with Apple.
SuperSan
Stacky Botrus
Posted 10:01 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib: YOu are living in 2005. Thats when your comment would have mattered. The Neo 1973, Android, open source... this is how the future of the US cellphone market is going to thrive. Have fun with your iphone sweetjeans.
Stacky Botrus
iluvhatemail
Posted 9:58 AM 30/9/08
I'm buying one. Can't wait. Goodbye winmo!
iluvhatemail
svnt
Posted 9:52 AM 30/9/08
@Null42:
Exactly my take. This article is a well-constructed rundown of the reasons Android will be a good competitor.
Regardless of who "wins," Android and its unrestricted app market will only be good for consumers.
svnt
kareemy
Posted 9:50 AM 30/9/08
I've always like HTC but hated Windows Mobile, so this is going to be a nice change. Unfortunately, I hate T-Mobile but love Google. If it's about giving more freedom to developers, how about giving more choices to consumers? And not including a standard headphone jack on the first Android device is even lamer than Gen1 iPhone's proprietary headphone jack shape. It's like you're on the verge of greatness, but don't want it to be too great, so you can surprise us later with another great product or service that still lacks something basic that we all want (ahem, cut&paste)... uuugh, it's like having an orgasm without a climax... wait, that actually sounds kind of nice.
kareemy
duntov
Posted 9:44 AM 30/9/08
Google is becoming more like Skynet. They are getting into everything, and wanting to influence that they have not yet infiltrated.
Google's Android probably has something that tracks everything that you go with the phone and to some extent where you go. They will also probably have ads targeted to you based on these trackings.
duntov
efenili
Posted 9:44 AM 30/9/08
I for one thought it was a well written article. I think it points out what could potentially be a sleeping giant.
It could be nothing too, you can't negate that possibility, but its future doesn't look half bad. It also has on its side the fact that everyone who hates Apple is going to want one...and despite their vocal stance...there are WAY more people who hate Apple than love it :)
efenili
soonerloud
Posted 10:23 AM 30/9/08
oh. Sorry. I left out the "...Google will have all your personal data and do evil things with it" comments.
So.
I gotta go now. the black helo's are hovering above the house..
soonerloud
burnblue
Posted 10:17 AM 30/9/08
@Mayor McRib: Windows Mobile failed? Maybe I'm missing something and my sarcasm-meter is broken like max11221's.
burnblue
geodesigner
Posted 10:09 AM 30/9/08
@soopafly: Come on, man. Are you even reading about the Android apps being developed? If people upload crappy apps to the Market, chances are the market itself will regulate them (in a Firefox addon-like fashion), bumping the better apps to the top of the list. They will surely implement user ratings, Gizmodo will coer the new ones, etc.).
And even if you're right, perhaps on of these 11-year-old boys will code a killer app. That's the way it is now.
geodesigner
soonerloud
Posted 10:09 AM 30/9/08
It's really simple when you think about it. It comes down to clouds.
Wouldn't it be great if a single password connected you to your online image, email, web favorites, chat, one-click purchase, everything, everything and everything via a mobile device?
Ok, Great. Now add starting your car, using your phone for a tv remote, turning on your house alarm, carry your digitized clubcards and on and on and on.
For those that are saying it's just a phone is crazy. It is now more than just a phone and will be more than just a phone every day we move forward.
And for all of the "...you just wait until you get your first virus and kaboom". Well, they said the same thing years ago when the web started being used to download programs instead of using a floppy from the vendor. How many files are down loaded daily now?
It's called progress and with it flaws it will come.
And for those that say "...if the phone platform and the software platform are not created by the same group than it will cause problems". Please, a closed system will not survive moving forward. It can't.
soonerloud
Fourthletter
Posted 10:37 AM 30/9/08
I think Android will be good for mobiles and I'm sure M$ will get their act together soon and compete too.
Why does everyone talk about Apple designing hardware ?
Every modern mac was designed by IBM then Intel, Apple design pretty cases, thats about it.
Nice cases they are (I own a few myself) but when apple fans start harping on about Apples genius hardware design they usually don't understand just how "standard" their hardware really is.
Fourthletter
JackMatt
Posted 11:14 AM 30/9/08
"No one else makes a legitimate phone OS with all this support that can be tweaked down to the very roots. For one thing, I'm excited to be able to download an entirely different version of all of Android's core applications if I don't like the default 1.0 versions-and that's every app, everything from the dialer to the contacts manager-"
Took the words right out of my mouth.... no really I have been trying to get people to list to me when I say it. :)
Really its all ligit and I agree with every word he said. This is the beta of Android. If you got the phone and you don't dev then you will not see the value in the phone for some time. Yah yah yah, How can the release the phone still in "Beta", there is no other way to do this. We will see lot of good this from this in due time!
JackMatt
iomatic
Posted 11:47 AM 30/9/08
@geodesigner: Regulate them, like say…
the financial markets?
iomatic
Tietsu
Posted 1:47 PM 30/9/08
@Pope John Peeps II:
it still doesn't make the argument at less valid. You just validated BanMeAgainBrianLam's theory to a T.
Congratulations the t-shirt will be arriving in the mail within the next 10-15 business days
Tietsu
aboriginal
Posted 1:59 PM 30/9/08
Too many platforms to build on and little in-house control. Each manufacturer will want to control its end of things in order to one up the other guy's tech. Software aside its really all about the hardware functionality first and that's where it'll really stumble because the quality will really be telling. Also, don't forget the status factor which virtually no other product's got. That and the millions of subscription iPhone owners, .mac users and iPod players. Oh, and with this turkey launch you rarely ever get a second chance to make a first impression and this left a weak one at best for Android.
aboriginal
bkchosun
Posted 3:05 PM 30/9/08
@aboriginal: "its really all about the hardware functionality first"
I couldn't disagree with you more. The hardware functionality is useless if it doesn't have great software to use it. Tell me why the Wii outsold the XBox 360 and PS3 combined...was it because they had the best hardware? Usability is a HUGE factor when determining the usefulness of a device. Granted, the G1 has its strengths & weaknesses compared to the iPhone, I (as a developer) am much more inclined to develop applications for the G1. Also, to develop for the iPhone, you MUST have an intel-based Mac; for the G1, you just need a Java compiler. That's a pretty significant difference in my opinion. Also, there are apps that I would love to work on for the iPhone, but not being able to use large parts of the phone's existing functionalities have totally steered me away.
bkchosun
bkchosun
Posted 2:57 PM 30/9/08
@SuperSan: Not me...I'm giving my iPhone to my brother in favor of the G1.
bkchosun
bkchosun
Posted 2:55 PM 30/9/08
@PatriciaAlcathous: "There is not one person on a forum or blog that can validate an iPhone vs. G1 argument."
Actually, that's not entirely true...I own the iPhone and got to play around with the G1 the other day. My buddy is a beta tester for them, and it's really quite nice. I wrote about it in another post...sorry, I'm too lazy/tired to look for it. Let's just say that I'm very happy I ordered mine when I did.
bkchosun
bkchosun
Posted 2:47 PM 30/9/08
@soopafly: Viruses for the Mac exist...do some research before you just chalk it up to people hating "mac users". The reason virus writers don't typically target mac is because their market share is tiny compared to Microsoft, so what would be the point?
@Anticitizen: You seem to think that installing malware is the sole method of getting a virus. Many viruses/malware are sent via web pages and emails, which definitely DOES NOT make the iPhone immune.
BanMeAgainBrianLam was absolutely correct: Never say never to the type of people that make viruses. If someone really wanted to it could happen.
bkchosun
vgart
Posted 3:23 PM 30/9/08
it will kick ass when it will not look like ass
vgart
bgbs
Posted 4:18 PM 30/9/08
no Android will not kick ass. We already know that Open source generally does not kick ass. It is always third in line. It goes like this M$ then Apple, then far away afterwards comes Open source.
bgbs
soopafly
Posted 4:09 PM 30/9/08
@bkchosun: "The reason virus writers don't typically target mac is because their market share is tiny compared to Microsoft, so what would be the point?"
Ah..the whole security through obscurity routine. I've been hearing this for over 10 years
soopafly
YWFT_DG
Posted 4:31 PM 30/9/08
Still, with all that money (even with falling stocks), why can't Google hire a design team? This is where Apple wins, because you get a consistent flow, thus a understandable user experience once the user gets into basic patterns. Its to be expected though, Google's creations always look like code first, design later by the coders. Ugly as all hell, and is never an inviting interface. Sorry, but an inner bevel logo is not the start of fun design.
YWFT_DG
macserv
Posted 4:25 PM 30/9/08
My comment was supposed to appear down below, but luckily, it ended up under a completely different post, where it also makes sense.
macserv
macserv
Posted 4:24 PM 30/9/08
@ratheen: That depends on which carrier picks it up. On T-Mo, I'd expect more openness. On AT&T, you can expect it to be just as locked as the iPhone is. On Verizon, much more tightly locked.
You people honestly think *Apple* is the one who wants these restrictions placed upon what you can and cannot do with the iPhone?
macserv
tartooob
Posted 6:03 PM 30/9/08
@bahmodo: Grow up .. *sigh* kids
tartooob
LauPan
Posted 5:50 PM 30/9/08
Open source???? who is going to pay for this??
We think that virus issues will play their hand with this? It will play big time.
There will be many issues with this device. I think the corporate world will look at this with a "cocked eye",
LauPan
ArrogantAce
Posted 6:52 PM 30/9/08
@iomatic: touche sir...touche
ArrogantAce
addiktion
Posted 7:16 PM 30/9/08
@IKEACAR:
The reason macs are more stable is mostly because there are:
1. less hackers/crackers/virus makers on the Macs due to the small market share.
2. about 8-10x more Windows users then the Mac so your going to notoriously see more problems with Windows.
3. Macs control their hardware and therefore they can generally program more stable programs because they only have to code for a set of hardware. This isn't necessarily a positive if you like to upgrade your computers and don't want to buy a whole new expensive system.
Truth is though even with a stable operating system like the iphone/ipod touch your still going to hit bugs. My ipod touch was buggy as hell until firmware 2.1. Things have cleared up and I've only had about 2 applications crash and needed 1 reboot for sluggishness.
Overall I like Apple too but I get tired of people comparing Apples to Oranges.
addiktion
addiktion
Posted 7:06 PM 30/9/08
@CaptMoose:
By them not limiting it to just hardware they allow a much bigger market because it allows those mobile manufacturers to make doing what they do best -- making hardware.
So the system might have more bugs to work out where you'll have various different hardware levels but as the market matures it may just dominate the abundance of the crowd.
I can't wait to see what possibilities can come out of it though as it's not limited by Apples strict policies.
addiktion
cylonite
Posted 8:28 PM 30/9/08
@Ginsu:
Lol. Stealing dock images? Is that because there are no good Open Source images?
cylonite
Ginsu
Posted 8:17 PM 30/9/08
Would someone like to enlighten me as to why the OS X Automator bot is running towards Android?
That makes no sense. It's an OS X feature...that's not been ported to the iPhone...so what makes anyone think someone's gunna make it for Android?
Oh, I know...it's a random wave of apps that won't happen on Android.
Automator? Right, cuz you need to automate repetetive tasks...on a cell phone.
Excel and Word? Right, cuz microsith wants to sink their own mobile platform.
Skype? Right, cuz T-Mo would be totally cool with users bypassing their obnoxiously-priced minutes.
Did y'all just dump every icon on your Dock into this picture, or what?
Ginsu
cool_cars
Posted 9:15 PM 30/9/08
Android = jailbreak
hooray!
cool_cars
macrumpton
Posted 9:09 PM 30/9/08
There are plenty of smartphones that already have more functionality than the iPhone. The success of the iPhone is due to the well thought out design decisions on the "big picture", deciding what functions are most important (and therefore visible) and making them easy to use, and the equally important decisions of what to leave out. Even most of the independent apps are so heavily influenced by the existing Apple culture (and creation tools) that they reinforce the vision rather than scatter it.
The problem with projects like Android is that there does not seem to be a "big picture" navigator at the helm, so there are lots of great ideas that are uncoordinated by a single cohesive vision. That is not to say that this could not happen, it is just that there does not seem to be a structure in place for that kind of direction.
macrumpton
Charbax2
Posted 9:58 PM 30/9/08
Android will immediately beat the iPhone in terms of volume of sales, it will only take a few months before the total volume of Android devices out there will overtake global number of iPhone devices, and only a few months before all iPhone users will throw out their crappy iPhone (regardless of their ridiculously expensive 2-year contract).
Charbax2
tylerstyle
Posted 10:45 PM 30/9/08
I'm still eagerly waiting on news about a European release of an Android based phone. My contract is due for prolongation early next year. By that time, I need one!!
tylerstyle
Cake_Eater
Posted 10:45 PM 30/9/08
@Spaz6to8:
Really? Did you really just say that? It's not just about copy/paste. It's about an open development environment, something that allows developers to make whatever the f**k they want without having to worry about Apple denying them and slapping an NDA so others can't learn from their mistakes. One of the most important aspects of Android is the ability to include added functionality to every layer of the OS. Apple restricts access to the "iPod app" while Android will allow people to add entirely new music players, web browsers, etc. (Personally I'm holding out for AmaroK mobile).
Cake_Eater
wclyffe
Posted 10:40 PM 30/9/08
I think you are dreaming....simply, the average person that buys a "smarter" phone just wants all of this stuff figured out and packaged nicely, ready to go, right out of the box. They couldn't care less about "Open System" or "Developers", etc. Apple is premiere at packaging and marketing their products even when they still need a little in-house work. Android will be generically picked up by a select buyer which will represent very few in the big picture.
wclyffe
IsaiahDeianeira
Posted 10:58 PM 30/9/08
It's all about the hardware, stoopid. Even if Apple and Google maintain equality in apps, service, lack of crashes, etc. Apple is still a hardware manufacturer. And as someone who has owned mobiles from just about every other manufacturer, I'll gladly take Apple hardware over any of them. Now, the fact that the OS is also tied to the hardware is a huge plus (he says while typing away on an iMac). When the guts match the skin, things just work. When they don't, you get the AMC Pacer (for the uninformed, AMC bought engines, transmissions and other parts from competitors then tried to match them up under the hood).
IsaiahDeianeira
jalanmanish
Posted 8:21 PM 30/9/08
Android has come out. Some how, I was not attracted.
When it comes to enterprise platform, no one comes close to Blackberry. Be it, server side monitoring, provisioning, control, access, …
When you need user experience, iPhone leaves everyone behind by miles.
The problem I am seeing with Android is: it is aiming for building a developer community. Even if Android succeeds in building the dev community, will that convert into mobile sales? Mostly not. There's the glitch. Dev communities could make Linux succeed because there was consumption of what they were developing. They were addressing a need for low cost, feature rich, robust server.
In mobiles, the experience is 'personal'. If there isn't a corporate ruling, an individual will choose a phone based on his need, the feature set in the phone, its price, look and feel, … Will the mobile buyer be affected by applications (for which Android is claiming to be a platform)? After a basic set of features like, camera, music, video, phone, contacts, GPS, Web, what more will he need? For every unmet need, the web browser will be able to fill the gap. Just at the device end alone, I don't see any dire need for an application development platform and hence think that Android will find a difficult time finding adoption. Only if, Android creates a server side (enterprise class) ecosystem similar to Blackberry, will it be able to create space for it self. Otherwise, for mere phone features, people will always find options better than android.
May be I am missing some thing, because generally Google takes fool proof steps. Would love to learn your thoughts.
jalanmanish
SumanaAgamemnon
Posted 6:29 PM 30/9/08
Android runs at several layers. While it's true that android developers have to take hardware into account (ofcourse they would...) the main UI/APP layer runs on a java virtual machine. Apps (& or a virus...) would only operate on that layer. The Google app store won't be much different than Apple's store. Dev's still have to submit their apps for approval. It's mainly to inspect for malicious code. You can still add your own 3rd party apps if you want that aren't signed or official, but that's at your own discretion. Just like jail broken iPhones. Run those apps at your own risk. Isn't that awesome? Your choice... The key diff is that android will be offered on many devices. Currently Motorola is working on their offering for next year. Keep in mind, Android is an OS. It's not only for smartphones. It may start out on smarphones, but it may eventually end up on things we haven't yet conceived. With SSD, tiny intel's atom dual cores, and super thin OLED's... next gen devices running OSS are going to be out of this world. Whether or not the G1 is that great, isn't all that important. Other manufactures are already jumping onboard. What it is to me is proof of concept. Imagine Android on the HTC diamond or the iPhone... dual booted, or running a virtual machine, so you can have the best of all worlds. The awesome hardware that apple makes, with the options that Android offers.
SumanaAgamemnon
CaraHippodamia
Posted 6:25 PM 30/9/08
Surely no one can be sure of what the future holds but there's one thing for sure, Android has lots of potential! Will it become a major mobile force, maybe, maybe not but for all geeks for like to fiddle with their phones, Android will prove to be the most exciting experience. And with proper kick-ass apps, it could very well bring a lot of users to go for their OS! Anyway, I can't wait to see how all of this is going to evolve!
CaraHippodamia
nilsleven
Posted 4:38 PM 30/9/08
The article is pretty much carried by the rhetoric of a usual Linux fanboy: "With Linux (Android) you can REALLY get under the hood of the operating system and do all kinds of STUFF!!!"
Well, people who want to do "stuff" with their mobile phones does not form very important part of the market. Just ten years ago the market mass started to adopt short messages. We're witnessing the e-mail arriving to the Regular Joe's phone usage habits.
Apple puts the money where the mouth is. And this is people wanting shiny design, simple GUI and a possibility to use trustworthy applications, not needing to worry about security. We can easily observe that these are exactly the things Apple is after.
Geeks are not a significant market sector, sorry dudes.
nilsleven
AllegraSternwah
Posted 3:12 PM 30/9/08
Google is amazing. Apple is amazing. Microsoft is trash. The important thing is that the net affect of both Google and Apple in the mobile market will, I think, result in the euthanization of Windows Mobile within a few years and that's a great thing. At least some of us can hope. At best Windows Mobile will retain a small insignificant piece of the market--a who cares piece.
AllegraSternwah
UptonJuicy
Posted 10:57 AM 30/9/08
Goolge want to give Android a real kick in the ass? Have them work with HTC and seed some working software over to the ROM Cooks at XDA-Developers. Once a few Tilts are flashing a cool new interface in public people will take note of Androids real powers.
UptonJuicy
bkchosun
Posted 1:08 AM 1/10/08
@bkchosun: Ok, I had some serious grammar issues in my statement...but you get the point.
bkchosun
bkchosun
Posted 1:07 AM 1/10/08
@Ginsu: Google apps can already read and work with excel files, so it's not really up to Microsoft. They can either go with the trend or be left in the dust...and I don't think they're that stupid. Also, I'm willing to bet that Skype will come out for Android (like Win Mobile) because there is a demand for it. On top of that, it has similar benefits to T-Mobile's UMA technology: you have to have a cellphone plan anyway to have data, but you're not using their towers for voice. Granted, you may be using the data, but it will use 3G data, but there will also be times when you're connected to WiFi, when it will use none of T-Mobile's resources at all. All the while, you're still paying monthly fees to them for maintaining your phone/contract.
bkchosun
Monty
Posted 12:57 AM 1/10/08
@macserv:
I must have dreamed those apps for iTunes that Apple keeps shutting down.
AT&T is evil. Apple makes pretty products. The two features are not mutually exclusive.
Monty
bkchosun
Posted 12:54 AM 1/10/08
@addiktion: I agree with your points. I also like Apple, but get tired of the whole "X is better than Y because of Z." Whenever Mac/PC guys try to convince me that one is better than another, there are always multiple reasons why you can discount the argument. I'm friends w/ a lot of professional musicians, many of whom use Mac. As a result, everyone seems to think that Mac is best for making music. On the other hand, I also know quite a few who make music (which sounds just as well-produced) on a PC. It's all about preferences...
bkchosun
bkchosun
Posted 12:50 AM 1/10/08
@soopafly: Of course you have, because it's a valid point.
bkchosun
sharmanova
Posted 1:29 AM 1/10/08
@IsaiahDeianeira:
Well bloody said.
sharmanova
sharmanova
Posted 1:28 AM 1/10/08
No one's going to read the 73rd comment, but thankfully I like the sound of my voice in my head.
Android won't fail, but I question how well it will succeed. It seems plainly evident to me that the reason Apple is doing so well with its iStuff is because most people want their gardens walled.
The ability to customize things and add things and open source this and that freaks the average user out. The average user doesn't read Giz. They are John Mayer's dad, who wants a Mac but still finds a way to lose the Entourage dock icon which they thought was a way to send fan email to "Vincent Chase" in the first place.
Apple's walled garden is the very reason it is so successful. Quality control and attention to detail. It's the same reason why the Google search made it. There is a simplicity that lies beyond sophistication that lay people value, need and will pay for.
Android will not fail. It will just be as much a non-event as a Jessica Simpson concert.
sharmanova
jayliew
Posted 2:18 AM 1/10/08
But would Google mount such a huge undertaking as Android if they were only expecting to be a different flavor of Windows Mobile?
Even if Android made the same thing WinMo has to offer, Google will still do it - it's a path for Google to solidify its foothold in mobile search.
jayliew
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 5:40 AM 1/10/08
@bgbs: You must have missed where Apple co-opted an open source kernel for OSX because the original Mac OS kernel was seriously FUBAR.
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
jimtravis
Posted 6:47 AM 1/10/08
@ArtInvent: if Apple makes the best hardware and software - and they clearly do - Totally disagree with that assumption.
All my hardware, and software problems have been Apple. I have never experienced a PC based hardware failure, and never had to reinstall Windows. My iBook lasted less than 3 years, and the iMac G5 has been the most problem prone tech product I every purchased. I just recently had to do a fresh install of Leopard on the iMac because it was running so slow even in the basic apps like email, and browser. The MacBook Pro required an OS reinstall to boot for the first time, and it is impossible to use on your lap without risk of burns. I have 5 year old PC laptops that just keep working. For me, all my just works machines have been my Windows based PC's.
As far as the alleged design quality of Apple - after about 3 months, I realized the iMac G4 was basically ugly, and maintained that opinion until it was recycled. The iMac G5 that replaced it was not very design pleasing either, but I purchased it for the alleged performance improvement of the G5 chip, and the 20" screen.
The iPhone looks like a worked over Sony Clie TH55 PDA that was released in 2004. When the Apple CEO showed the iPhone for the first time at Macworld, I thought he was holding up a TH55.
jimtravis
kayno
Posted 12:07 AM 1/10/08
OK! So here are my views on this whole android thing.. "IT'S GOING TO FAIL!"
Ok.. maybe not fail but it's not going to do as good as originally thought out.. The article says its not all about attention to detail and pretty icons.. its about giving users the freedom to do what they want.. Of the millions of iphone users out there.. how many know how to do anything with their phones? I know this cause im Nicknamed "iPhone Support" with my friends.. and I can bet sweet money that a huge percentage of current iphone users bought the phone for its appearance and innovation and not so they could get apps.. "Sex Sells" and frankly the iPhone is sexxy!! and for us techy types it also has the ability to provide and provides some functionality never withnessed in any phone before..
As for android if they dont provide a superior user interface to go along with all their apps.. they still wont come close to competing with the iphone.. not to mention the instability issues that could come about from all those apps accessing your hardware and running in the backgroud.. Good Luck!!
Viva La JOBS! Ruler of the Free world 2090!
"yes he would still be alive cause he would have the "iLive" for ever app in his phone.
kayno
kayno
Posted 11:50 PM 30/9/08
OK! S
kayno
SebastianProtoss
Posted 12:21 AM 1/10/08
Android will quickly become irrelevant, because it lacks one key ingredient in the PC/Windows success story: the equivalent of a PC. There is no standard mobile platform, and combined with Android's customizeability, this will make it a nightmare to develop for. If a developer wants to create anything more complicated than a calculator, he's going to have to consider three different input schemes, twice that many screen resolutions, and who knows how many gratuitous features thrown in by phone manufacturers desperately trying to distinguish themselves.
SebastianProtoss
Mactacular
Posted 1:38 PM 30/9/08
@Fourthletter:
Well Fourth, the argument that the mac people are making is not in the actual hardware itself, but in the OS integration of the packaged hardware, the 3rd party applicable hardware, and the OS itself.
In order to be an Apple licensed product, it must be compatible with all of Apple's hardware standards. Devices then become truly plug and play.
Apple designs "Hardware" specs that will be compatible with every else that will run under an Apple OS. The genius is in creating the kind of weave that will integrate all of those pieces of hardware and software without a seam.
Mactacular