Those dudes at ebaumsworld are such idiots.

bobojuice

@archercc: Not exactly, its in the same family, but is the Computer Abuse and Fraud Act. Basically, you can't access a computer/application that you don't have rights to.

@Ike_Skelton: Sort of, like the current Republicans, Palin uses a private email account to conduct official business so that the archive/transparency/open meetings laws would not apply and nobody could see all the nasty things she's done (e.g. charging victims for rape kits, troopergate, tanning beds, earmarks that she supposedly turned down, redecorating the governors office during a budget deficit, etc.). Of course she might be breaking state/federal law by conducting public business on a private account, but I'm not sure about that.

ARP

@1.21Gigawatts: Its misrepresentation. We shall see how this pans out but hacking was included in the revision as essentially fraud.

archercc

@archercc: It isn't wire fraud because no fraud was done. All the guy did was guess her secret password recovery question. Ripping someone off on craigslist, I agree with you on that, but these don't add up.

Either way, I think resources that shouldn't be spent are being spent on this. What the authorities should do is slap her hand and tell her that she was bypassing strict government policies which restrict government employees from using their personal email addresses as business hubs.

1.21Gigawatts

@Lupison:

report back to me... when .... this all makes sense.

Parapraxis

Maybe this 1337 hacker stone the new Kit car to get away? Ah ha, its all connected!

Tweak

@Ike_Skelton: The big imbroglio right now appears to be that she was using outside email for official business in violation of official guidelines and that the reason for using the outside services was to evade recording and accounting measures.

Official email addresses and servers are supposed to be used so that everything can be recorded and accounted for.

Think of this as a 21st Century version of "The 18 Minutes". It's the appearance of impropriety at this point. And it shouldn't be done.

OMG! Ponies!

TRASH THE WORLD!!!

Bizdady

@Ike_Skelton: Personal shit and some douchebag asking for advice about running for office.

These guys are going to get Dufrained over nothing.

archercc

@unspellable: ooh, why can't he just type with one hand like every other man using the internet :P

Not making light of his injuries, but he no longer warrants any respect from me (due to his behavior)

jiffy

@1.21Gigawatts: Its considered wirefraud, so is ripping someone off on craigslist. Once something happens on telecommunications lines its federal.

This happened when the revised the 1964 act in 96 or whatever.

archercc

Mmm, federal offense. Last thing you'd want are the feds knocking down your door. I wonder how many years they get for this.

gorbachops

This is the first I heard of this. Anything juicy in her emails?

Ike_Skelton

@unspellable: and he can't use naturally speaking because it doesn't properly interperet all of his lies, lyes, leis, leyes.

;)

jiffy

@im2fools: Are you serious? This is the ECPA that relegates the government conducting surveillance and searches within the electronic medium, ie. wire taps, email, etc. This has nothing to do with a civilian accessing another civilian's personal email and reading it.

1.21Gigawatts

@taylors_dad: This is a good point. If I was running for offise I think I would stop using email and cell phones all together. I woudl do all this through some kind of proxy. It just sounds smart to me.
The big news is that no dirt was actually uncovered. This is just going to help her get elected. I have $20 on some Dem's being responsible for this leak/backfire.

fastm3driver

Rule No. 1 about politics - don't piss off the Republican machine.

Rule No. 2 about politics - if you're going to piss off the Republican machine, don't do it in a way that cedes the moral high-ground.

It was illegal to break in and steal stuff during the Watergate era and it's still illegal now.

OMG! Ponies!

What she needs is a Barracuda Firewall.

Rabid Penguin

I agree dumb move... but federal offense??? uhm... MAIL!

Mail fraud or opening someone's MAIL as in "US Postal Service" counts as a federal offense.
Not yahoo.com, funny... what if it's a yahoo.es?
Españaaaa!
Or yahoo.nl?
Yeah he can get in some trouble, if the media makes it seem like a big doodoo. But that's it, no federal offense.

ashamaniq

@mcdj: The FBI would have figured it out (from what the article says about the URL being posted in the screen captures).

unspellable

Mail and email aren't the same thing. Mail is federal, email is international and mandated by an international civilian body. IF this is a viloation, this is at most a slap in the wrist because nothing was "stolen."

This would have truly been a violation had it been he government email address, which it wasn't. Not to mention she's using a personal non secure email address for business purposes.

1.21Gigawatts

epic fail comment in 3...2...1...

lldsandsll

@Tweak: LOL

unspellable

If the owner of ctunnel were a Democrat, the kids might have gotten away with it.

mcdj

wow anon nice going

lilaliendog

This is sad. I hope they get busted something fierce.

fastm3driver

@1.21Gigawatts:
Here's your link!
[en.wikipedia.org]

im2fools

@taylors_dad: McCain can't type. Period. Because of a war injury(ies).

What stupid thing for B.O. to bring up without looking into the 'why' (McCain) can't use email.

unspellable

These kids are so 1337. I love you all.

aliskaba

@1.21Gigawatts: "unauthorized" is the key word.

Then, there's the problem of other sites posting the contents of the unauthorized content... which they declared was unlawfully obtained.

Oh, yeah, it's the websites' problem not Palin's.

(Sorry, no links - just common sense.)

unspellable

"Wanna get away?"

Tweak

@1.21Gigawatts: Its considered the same as reading someones mail...if you goto your neighbors house and take mail out of his mail box, open it..thats a federal offense...same thing applies to email

From-My-Cube

@1.21Gigawatts: Since it's password protected, it's private. Since it involved the internet, it falls under federal. Hacking e-mail is just as illegal as hacking someone's physical computer and/or network.

Git Em SteveDave loves this guy-->

Claim stolen unsecured wifi. This'll never stick.

UofITom

@1.21Gigawatts: Maybe it's in China. You know, anything goes.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

What about the actual data that they showed off? Isn't the evidence they showed incriminating Palin? Fucking spin!! She's breaking the law!! Subpoena her!

qbrad

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: Nice.

Lev_Astov

smooth move, Anonymous.

smartboydan hates college

And to think, just a few says ago, everyone jumped on McCain for not using email.....can't hack it, if you don't use it.

taylors_dad

Can someone explain how this is a federal offense? They accessed someone's personal email account (granted it's the account of a hot and stupid creationist).

If someone gains access to my yahoo account, is that a federal offense? Please post a link of the law if you find it.

1.21Gigawatts

@Lupison: I have yet to see Burn After Reading. When I do, I will tip my hat. Promise.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

Fools. Now nothing will stop Palin's army.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

quick fly to Venezuela.

(awesome movie reference of the future once everyone sees the new movie by the Coen brothers).

Lupison

Kids!

Open_universe

Tom Cruise is salivating right about now.

D.E.P.C.

@archercc: This is off topic and all, but do you mean Andy Dufresne from The Shawshank Redemption?

dylanwho

@nachobel: Epic-Cluster-Fail?

bpapa9013

@mcdj: I disagree. I love putting the screws down on dipshits, even if I agree with them politically. Plus, he might have been threatened with obstruction if he didn't cooperate with whatever goon-squad is investigating this...

bpapa9013

This whole incident has turned out to be a complete and utter failure. /b/tards fail. "anonymouslol" fails. bill o'riely fails. so much fail, so few days, it's starting to get draining.

nachobel

@OMG! Ponies!: Thank you for cutting through the crap and defining the real issue(s) here. Yesterday when I saw this story I was just left completely confused as to what the essential points were. That, and I was left to feel--despite whatever may or may not have been revealed from this hacking--quite grimy that we were all reading personal email (not governmental job-related) and not even considering the possible (probable) impropriety of doing so.

bosskev

anyone notice

lol CS:S!

krystar

@OMG! Ponies!: I wish it would stick, but for some reason a large majority of the populace seems to turn a blind eye to her complete moral bankruptcy.

*sigh*

m4ximusprim3

@Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another du...: I think that is what he said when he wanted the guy to get the disk from the trashcan.

Git Em SteveDave loves this guy-->

If you are dumb enough to brag about it on /b/, it's likely that you'll make a rookie mistake like this.

GiantEnemyCrab

@Bizdady: Did you mean 'Hack the planet'?

Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude

@archercc, @OMG! Ponies!, @ARP

Thanks!

Ike_Skelton

@unspellable: I realize that he can't use his arm due to his experiences in VN. Its' interesting how quick that commercial disappeared when that fact came out.

@fastm3driver:Little Known Fact: The some leaders of government do not use email.

taylors_dad

@Voyou_Charmant: You always 'figure out' your email password everyday?...

...can't you just remember it?

unspellable

And I thought Palin was an idiot.

justinpe

@DavidE: I think there are some things that the GOP doesn't want to make hay over.

From their standpoint, it's better to let this thing pass through under the radar. The headlines this week are on the economy and they don't want to muck that up. Every day that the NYTimes runs a headline about the Dow plummeting is a day that issues are not discussed.

If the GOP raised a stink, the question "Why does Gov. Palin have a secret email address?" would be asked. There is concern that the totality of scandals pouring out of the Palin administration in Alaska could necessitate her removal from the ticket. Troopergate is bad enough. The last thing the GOP wants is an attack ad with Palin compared to Cheney.

There are a lot of things that the GOP could bring up that it won't and a lot of things the Dems could bring up that they won't.

Word of warning - If Sens. Obama or Biden bring up the Keating Five themselves and not through surrogates, it means they're worried. Four Dems were part of the Keating Five and that negates the hitting power of Sen. McCain being part of the Keating Five.

OMG! Ponies!

@OMG! Ponies!: Indeed. These jokers are making all of us who disapprove of Palin look bad.

92BuickLeSabre

@OMG! Ponies!:

The aim of the hackers was to have a story about Gov. Palin using private email to evade official accounting measures. Instead, the story is about hackers breaking into Gov. Palin's email.

That assumes the hackers knew what was in there before they got in (which they didn't). Their mindset was much more hackery - hack and ye shall find.

Unless there was something genuinely mind-blowing in the emails, (pre-op transsexual?), the break-in story is a bigger story than the content.

frigg

Apparently they've already traced this back to originating in Chicago...

GiltProto

Do these people even qualify as "hackers"? All it really shows is how ineffective the yahoo password recovery system is in practice.

vikingstorm

I wish people would stop calling "figuring out a password", "hacking". Otherwise, I am hacking my email every day.

Voyou_Charmant

If this was Obama's email getting hacked the left, and their cornies in the meadi woudl be having a hayday.
In that case, it would be bigger than WaterGate.

"it's Just Palin"
"it's just her email"
"it's just the Republicans getting pi$$ed"

Here's a story of a news anchor facing up to five years for "illegally acessing a computer". [www.msnbc.msn.com]

Notice the source, shouldmake you lefties happy in that it's not some right wing kook site.

DavidE

@merebito: A piece of advice:

If you can't figure out why someone's plan seems so foolish, stop assuming they have a plan.

There is the distinct possibility that the email address is real and that Gov. Palin used it for official business. There is also the distinct possibility that the stuff that she knew that there is some stuff that shouldn't be written down and sent to even a quasi-official Yahoo account. I'm not saying it was deleted; I'm saying it was never there.

There was nothing juicy there so the hackers - who have already proven through their methodology to be as dim as January in Juneau - instead just decided to go with "Look! Gov. Palin has a secret email address! Look at these emails!"

They didn't plan for the inevitable question:

"How did you get these emails?"

I'm banking on these knuckleheads didn't think things through.

OMG! Ponies!

@unspellable: David Pogue also has problems typing. I don't believe it has stopped him from using email.

frigg

@m4ximusprim3: Unfortunately none of this will stick and she'll be VP. The general populace has a thing for turning a blind eye and protecting charismatic/attractive politicians.

1.21Gigawatts

At least we'll have less 12-year olds on the internet.

It'd be funny if the FBI or something shut down 4Chan for a while. The internet will be at peace for a while.

I love how the very first thing this morning on the Today show was about this incident. I was like, holly crap, I read about this last night.

Glare

To quote Arnold "It's Bullshit! All of it!"

Why would a hacker go through the trouble of Sarah Palins email just to post get well emails and prayers? Wouldn't they post the dirt??

A little too fishy to me.

merebito

Wouldn't it be cool if the logged IP addresses resolves to michaelmoore.com?

beyondthetech

@m4ximusprim3:
I'm not a big fan of Yahoo! mail either. Anyone who uses it is obviously morally bankrupt.

I'm going to vote for Obama. He may surround himself with communists, socialist, crazy pastors, bomb makers, and corrupt real estate moguls, and call them friends. He may not even get paid enough to know when life begins, but at least he doesn't use Yahoo!.

Rabid Penguin

This is really muck-raking FAIL more than anything.

The aim of the hackers was to have a story about Gov. Palin using private email to evade official accounting measures. Instead, the story is about hackers breaking into Gov. Palin's email.

When the reporter becomes the story", it spells failure. Think Judith Miller. Think Bob Novak. Journalism is not supposed to cover itself.

OMG! Ponies!

I hope this guy was smart enough to use an Internet cafe or, at the very least, do it over someone else's hacked wireless.

BTW, I'm glad that this came out. However, the fact that Yahoo! deleted the accounts (probably at Palin's request) kind of sucks when it comes to proving that she circumvented the law by using her Yahoo! email to conduct government business.

Nogard13

If I may use an old term- OH SNAP!
Oh well someone has to take one for the team once in awhile right?

everfade

@cirby: That was awesome.

unspellable

"What're you in for?"
"Hacking."
"Hacking? What did you hack into?"
"Email accounts."
"Cool. Why'd you do it?"
"I did it for the lulz."

Yeah. That'll play well in a medium-security federal facility.

OMG! Ponies!

@OMG! Ponies!: there's no aim when it comes to hacking anyone or anything. it's all for "teh lulz".

And i have to admit, severe loling has definitely ensued.

bobojuice

Yeah Microsoft! Bet you don't wanna buy Yahoo now!
"My Emailz Haxorable?? Oh Noes!"

SigmundTheSeaMonster

It's interesting how some folks are SO CERTAIN that the reason Palin used this Yahoo account for some emails was to circumvent rules on accountability, and not because she just replied to someone on a marginally related personal email because that was the account she happened to have open.

None of the Gawker-posted emails have much bearing on "official business." The closest Gawker has is the email address of an aide who was wondering if she could route personal AND official accounts to one Blackberry device without having to worry about someone forcing her to reveal and publicly archive her personal emails because of it (that was Gawker's basis for suggesting she wanted to hide official emails - no, Gawker, that's not shady, that's just common sense).

It's also somewhat telling that some people think it's okay to hack personal email accounts but not government accounts, or that it's okay to do so if it's easy.

Meanwhile, there are huge swaths of Obama's supposedly "public" records that are being hidden or obfuscated, and nobody seems to care (where are the official, public records of what he did on the Annenberg board, or his full record in the Illinois House?).

cirby

Religious people annoy me. That person said pray 3 times and god 2 times in one paragraph. Can't they base any of their ideas and thoughts upon their own and not always lean on a 'higher power'.

wolfspirit

@don_mynack: McCain on the other hand, will courageously not show up at all.

*clasps heart*...must...stop...reading...

92BuickLeSabre

This really isn't a red state/blue state or Republican/Democrat issue. It is just plain shitty that anyone's private e-mail would be hacked and posted for all to read.

Doesn't matter what party you're for; we should all be upset that this happened and that this will be a topic of discussion, instead of health care, or the deficit, or the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, or net neutrality, or federal spending, or taxes, or the failing American financial system, or any of a thousand other things we should be focusing on...

Way to refocus everyone's attention, internet hacker dudes.

yipes

Obama is so concerned about this he plans to introduce legislation in the Senate, let it come up for a vote, and vote "present".

It's all about the courage.

don_mynack

@tegronin: "what does 'god' need with an email account?"

Uh... try submitting a Giz photoshop contest entry without one.

frigg

@GadgetPlay:

Wanna buy a bridge?

To nowhere? Well...only if the Federal government is going to pay for it. If not, then no way, I totally don't want to buy it and never did!

Why don't you libs just give it up and admit that she's your worst nightmare? You think you hate her now? Wait until she's in the White House for 12-16 years!

I admit it. She is my worst nightmare, and as much as I hate her now, I often have trouble sleeping at night due to the possibility of the scenario you outline above. In fact, I have taken to watching back-to-back-to-back-to-back episodes of Law & Order on TNT because between coverage of McCain/Palin and coverage of the economy I believe that any further exposure to news coverage may cause my heart to explode.

Okay, I'm having trouble breathing just thinking about this...I need a cigarette.

92BuickLeSabre

@GadgetPlay:

Thanks for the long and unneccesary anti-liberal bitch fest.

On an actual relevant topic, if Palin was using the email account for official business (whether or not that is allowable is another matter), would hacking into the account count as hacking into the official email address of a government employee?

ilves

@GadgetPlay: LMAO!

unspellable

@mcdj: "If the owner of ctunnel were a Democrat"

Do we know that he isn't? Or are you just assuming that a Democrat would gladly break the law to cover up a crime committed for political gain? Actually, I guess you're right.

@Rabid Penguin: "What she needs is a Barracuda Firewall."

Good one, RP.

@fastm3driver: "I have $20 on some Dem's being responsible for this leak/backfire."

Yeah, that's where the smart money is. Probably some of the small army of lawyers the Dems sent to Alaska to try to find some dirt.

@jiffy: "he no longer warrants any respect from me (due to his behavior)"

Thank God your respect is worthless, especially to a man like John McCain.

@ARP: "(e.g. charging victims for rape kits, troopergate, tanning beds, earmarks that she supposedly turned down, redecorating the governors office during a budget deficit, etc.)"

Winner of todays "Most Gullible Dupe" award. All lies and distortions, Skippy. Wanna buy a bridge?

@m4ximusprim3: "a large majority of the populace seems to turn a blind eye to her complete moral bankruptcy."

Because that "large majority" knows that there is no "moral bankruptcy" whatsoever, let alone "complete." Why don't you libs just give it up and admit that she's your worst nightmare? You think you hate her now? Wait until she's in the White House for 12-16 years!

@bpapa9013: "whatever goon-squad is investigating this..."

I'm guessing that you don't consider the small army of lib lawyers investigating Sarah as a "goon squad."

@everfade: "someone has to take one for the team once in awhile right?"

Yeah. Obama.

@merebito: "Wouldn't they post the dirt??"

Why would there be any dirt. She's not a Democrat.

@OMG! Ponies!: "I'm banking on these knuckleheads didn't think things through."

I think you're right, Ponies. Pros would have sent incriminating e-mails from the account after accessing it. Something like, "I really enjoy banning books that deny the existence of dinosaurs 4000 years ago. Isn't my retarded grandchild Trig just the cutest? My ex brother-in-law never did anything wrong by the way, I just hate him. Well, gotta go lay on my tanning bed bought for $30,000 of the taxpayers money. Most of it came from selling all those Rape Kits, so it's OK. Bye for now!"

Well, maybe not. That kind of sounds ridiculous.

GadgetPlay

Also, I'd like to state that I'm neither for McCain or Obama. If it were up to me, I would fire every single career politician out there and start with a clean slate of people that have America's well being in mind instead of their own.

To keep this on the technological side, my vote is for 7 of 9, or Six.

1.21Gigawatts

@wolfspirit: what does 'god' need with an email account?

tegronin

@cirby: Although it is unethical what they did, it's trivial at most. Would I do this to someone? No, not unless I was part of an enforcement unit.

Do you really think that a politicans personal email address called GOV.palin@yahoo.com is used for personal reasons?

My biggest complaint is that valuable resources, such as the FBI are being pulled away from more serious issues to deal with a milf that thinks her god is above everything else.

1.21Gigawatts

i just want to add that she is not using new yahoo, still on the old format. someone else prob mentioned it already but my time is more valuable than your comments (of course the reverse is not true).

tegronin

@yipes: Good comment.

Hilo

@Killjoy: Are you criticizing someone for not recognizing a quote from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier?

If so, I'm going to need my crazy pills after all.

OMG! Ponies!

@OMG! Ponies!: At the convention she said she 'put' the plain on Ebay. It didn't sell that way. It was also likely cheaper to sell the plane and the HIRE others for individual flights instead of paying for maintenance of the thing along with what ever retainer for a pilot would be necessary (if at all).

unspellable

I'm going to have to agree with Cirby here. I don't particularly like the women (at all), but everyone keeps throwing around this "using outside email for official business in violation of official guidelines to evade recording and accounting measures." talk and...

I don't really see any of it. It's just a bunch of personal stuff that seems in no way official. One would think the screen shots would be everywhere if anyone found anything. Instead you've got everyone just saying (assuming?) she's doing it without any sort of real evidence, to my knowledge.

Hilo

@frigg: Check your Star Trek references and get back to us. I'll give you a freebie: it's one of the movies.

Killjoy

wow what a moron! i'm not a hacker, i know nothing much about it - but i do know, if you're going to post evidence like this and [brag]... then at least crop it some! showing off the address was a bad idea.

as for burn after reaeding... haha. so true. what a great movie that was ;)

devianaut

@altus: True: the government isn't a separate entity, as many people speak of it. Instead, it's FUBU: For Us By Us. So, when someone goes into public office: they, too, get the same rights as before they did.

unspellable

@GadgetPlay: "Yeah, that's where the smart money is. Probably some of the small army of lawyers the Dems sent to Alaska to try to find some dirt."

They're only there because of the large army of lawyers the GOP sent to Alaska to cover up all of Gov. Palin's misdeeds. Like the pressure to have the librarian ban books. Like Troopergate. Like the per diem payments of state money to herself for staying in her own home.

At the end of the day, Gov. Palin looks more and more like a pathological liar. "I fired the chef" - which she didn't. "I said 'No thank you' to earmarks" - and then didn't give back the money. "I killed the Bridge to Nowhere" - which was already dead. "I sold the plane on eBay" - which she didn't.

And whose stupid idea was it anyway to sell a plane at a loss? Alaska is half the size of the US mainland, three times the size of Texas, and less than 1/4 of it is accessible by road.

It's like selling the corporate jet and then renting a limo to go from New York to Miami. Maybe if she had more experience than supervising 53 employees and a budget of $6 million, she have figured out why the Governor of Alaska needs a plane.

OMG! Ponies!

@don_mynack:

Yes, because the Illinois State Senate is where all federal bills go to be voted on. Hopefully he can get reelected to the Illinois State Senate, introduce the bill, and then vote present on it because voting present in Washington is not an option, moron.

justinpe

@GadgetPlay: Proper.

chuckwrona

Well, isn't it the case that we all here should support a strong right to privacy, not matter who it is?

Why would you not be allowed to privacy if you become the mayor of a town or the President? At what time do you lose those rights? Should the President and us not have the exact same rights?

If a government person does something that they shouldn't, then it's a different matter. But making them lose that right to privacy before anyone knows for sure that something is wrong makes sene?

I know that I want my right to privacy and if someone hacks my box, I'm not happy. I don't expect anyone to be, even if I a at opposite ends of their beliefs.

altus

Lot of argument as to whether or not it's a federal offense...it is. See:

18USC2511

Her email, my email, your email...it's all covered. Unauthorized interception of electronic communications, as they call it. And just because it's stored on a server somewhere doesn't mean it's not "intercepted". It counts.

yelraf

@frigg: That's okay. OMG! Ponies! says it's a quote from Star Trek V. I didn't even know there was a Star Trek V. I thought they went straight from IV to VI...

Rabid Penguin

@syberghost: That is correct!

SoundSystem

The law that covers this was called the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and it makes it a separate felony count for each email. Yes, what they did was illegal, yes, it's a felony, and yes, it's a separate count PER EMAIL.

This isn't a slap on the wrist; it's PMITA federal prison.

syberghost

@OMG! Ponies!: Just the way it is. It's all fun and games...

until someone gets V&.

bobojuice

@Killjoy: Ahhh.. missed it! It's all that Andorian Ale! I blame it on the ale! /retreats to brig for some alone time.

frigg

Uh oh, this just went from entertaining to attention getter as Palin goes hunting for Anonymous. I can't wait for the story of when these guys are caught, I hope one goes down with a show.

SgtToastie

@GadgetPlay: You are a tool. This statement needs no additional support (just look at how much effort you put in to your typical "conservative" response.

Opening e-mail, or accessing a network when one is unauthorized violates federal laws. It is not the same law as going through someones physical mail, but it is considered breaching a network, and accessing it unlawfully. This ties in with federal wiretap laws.

SoundSystem

@unspellable: So it just depends on what your definition of "is" is?

Sounds to me like she's taken lessons from Slick Willie on the fine art of splitting hairs.

OMG! Ponies!

@unspellable:

And the false claim about firing the chef? And the pork barrel spending she didn't give back? And how she was for the Bridge until Congress killed it? Her claim to have visited Iraq which she didn't? Her administration's interference with environmental research? Her repeated exaggeration of Alaska's importance as a source of US energy (less than 4%)?

And, of course, her stonewalling of the investigation she promised to comply with?

The woman doesn't seem to know the truth. There are countless lies of commission and countless lies of omission. And that's just in the two weeks since she was named as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee.

Things to keep in mind - using Palin's strained logic, I can proudly state that I've been to Texas. After all, I once had to catch a connecting flight there.

OMG! Ponies!

@OMG! Ponies!: No. 'is' equals 'is' always. 'put' does not equal 'sell' ehver.

unspellable

Aw this sucks. Too bad this wasn't pulled off cause I'm all about taking shots on Palin. A yahoo account seriously? Everyday I read something new about the little polar parsnip I hear myself say, "Oh my god, this woman..."

Do your homework next time hackers! I was rooting for ya.

Larrrn

@yelraf: Oh, BTW, it's also an offense for anyone to reveal the contents of any electronic communications that they know to have been intercepted illegally. Which means screenshots...

yelraf

I hope they fry!

funtasticguy

@1.21Gigawatts:

taken from: The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (ECPA Pub. L. 99-508, Oct. 21, 1986, 100 Stat. 1848, 18 U.S.C. § 2510

"From a rights perspective, the ECPA protects individuals' communications against government surveillance conducted without a court order, from third parties without legitimate authorization to access the messages......"

ottermann

Fact is, accessing someone's email account unlawfully is a crime.

HOWEVER, I don't see the FBI investigating every time someone's email gets hacked. Do you?

So it's understandable when people think that it shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is.

phor11

@unspellable: And yet I don't claim to have been to Texas whereas she claims to have been to Ireland. It's a lie of omission. And everyone knows it.

She either misleads people unintentionally with, lies, exaggerations and omissions or she intentionally misleads people with lies, exaggerations and omissions.

OMG! Ponies!

@1.21Gigawatts: Absolutely serious...

Prohibits ANY person...

TITLE 18. CHAPTER 119--WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND
INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS

'"person" means any employee, or agent of the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof, and any individual, partnership, association, joint stock company, trust, or corporation;'

im2fools

@From-My-Cube: You're right, but for the wrong reasons. Yes, going to my neighbor's mailbox is mail fraud = illegal = federal crime. Hacking someone's email account != mail fraud. Hacking someone's email account is computer fraud, just like previous posters have said, comparing it to hacking a personal computer.

verazula

What a bunch of sorry comments from people who are proud to call themselves "liberal". These comments prove they are the biggest haters of anybody with views that don't match theirs
.
Silly comments included: that she broke official rules about using private email. -- This was personal info and how do you know what official rules are in Alaska?

that Alaska needed that airplane. -- The state still owns many airplanes. She determined that they did not need a luxury jet that couldn't even land in most Alaskan towns.

That John McCain can't use email (again). -- Or he could waste time doing this like us. Don't forget typing is painful because of torture he endured to save your right to hate him. BTW can Obama navigate to and land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier. Who's technically challenged?

I am excited to see what else the army of 300 thugs Obama sent to Alaska to discredit her (don't forget his training as a Chicago politician) will find. As they leak their findings they will just continue to dig Obama's hole deeper

deanes

@OMG! Ponies!: You have been to 'Texas': an airport in Texas... it's still in Texas. Would you say you were some where other than Texas when you had to make the transfer?

It doesn't mean you know a thing about Texas on a whole. But, then again, it's so big few do. Sort of like New York City being so big, not every one gets to know the 'whole' of it.

unspellable

@krystar:

Not sure about that CS:S shot. I mean, it looks legit, but why would they put "Nothing to see here..." at the bottom.

Did they 'hack' into both her Yahoo and CS email? Or did these peopl...wait what am I saying, she plays CS???? Sweeeeeet

lol :P

Jon B.

@deanes: I also find it hard to believe that a man who cannot type do to injuries can operate a plane.

yablunk

I found the actual doc that states that this is in fact a felony, thanks to Yelraf.

It's 18USC2511, not 2510. 2510 is in regards to the government. So these hackers should be dealt with.

I would also like Sarah Palin dealt with, as she has also been circumventing federal law that prohibits government employees from using personal email accounts for business purposes. Seriously, you think an email address called GOV.palin@yahoo.com was being used for personal purpose? This being a prime example. Please use FBI interns for this, we need our agents to address more serious issues, like corrupt politicians running our country and us paying for it.

1.21Gigawatts

@deanes: "300 thugs Obama sent to Alaska" what about the 3,000,000 "thugs" McCain sent to work on Biden and Obama? It goes both ways.
And why the fuck should whether or not a man can land a fighter jet have anything to do with them being a competent president?

yablunk

@unspellable: uh hu... hahahaha.

yablunk

@GadgetPlay: " "(e.g. charging victims for rape kits, troopergate, tanning beds, earmarks that she supposedly turned down, redecorating the governors office during a budget deficit, etc.)"

Winner of todays "Most Gullible Dupe" award. All lies and distortions, Skippy. Wanna buy a bridge?"

Um... it has been demonstrated that she did support charging victims for rape kits and that she has lied about earmarks that she claims to have turned down. Who's the dupe, us for believing the truth, or you for believing the GOP spin?

Mpls_Mikey

How was this a hack?
Her password was popcorn, and it was gotten through the recovery question.
Also, the government supports the idea of getting our data illegally and violating the 4th amendment, so they should promise not to take retroactive legal action on the guesser.

zmjjmz

This whole thing is hilarious! Who is more ignorant? The hacker? Or the fool that gets hacked by a bad hacker?

I mean SERIOUSLY! The woman's security question was "Where did you meet your spouse?" She only gave the correct answer to her security question to millions of people on Live television.

This woman is the brightest bulb EVAH!!! Seriously, I am blinded by her genius. No, I mean it. Quit laughing!

robinandtami

Knowing Anonymous, the hacker used 7 proxies.

Poison_Shroom

The FBI's and teh NSA were/are reading people's emails every day without warrants (some of you may have heard of warrantless wiretapping and immunity for telecoms (who broke the law)).

Where's the outrage on that? Michelle Malkin is all over this "hack", but defends the right of the government (as long as it's repub) to spy on and render whomever they want.

The real story here is that Palin was taking a page from the Rove playbook and using her yahoo account for back channel communications. We only have the word of the "hacker" that there was nothing incriminating, and of course he/she couldn't read all the stuff that may have been deleted.

Gary_7vn

The person that posted the screenshots is not necessarily the person the "hacked" Palin's account. I believe the official story is that one /b/tard "hacked" the account, changed the password to popcorn and then posted the information on /b/. Another /b/tard then used the posted information to access her account and take the screenshots. The original "hacker" was probably behind seven proxies and made local copies of the e-mail messages for his or her use. The follow-up /b/tard was just dumb.

Envark

lol @ script kiddie.
shoulda took computer science 3.

roflwaffles

it justs keeps getting better.
from the tennessean
[tennessean.com]

or

Palin e-mail investigators contacted son of state Rep.
The son of state Rep. Mike Kernell has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.

Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin's personal email account.

The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.

David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.

Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son's whereabouts and whether he was in custody.

Reports that Palin's e-mail had been hacked bounced across blogs and into the news on Thursday

JohnDeere

@92BuickLeSabre: Come visit my place. no politics going in my apt. Just 30 Rock, mythbusters, and Aqua teen. Oh, and a 720p copy of Iron Man. You're always invited. Ponies and Kaiser too. Kaiser can even bring a certain Canadian.

qbrad

@deanes: Uhh, the VC weren't coming to America to take away our freedoms. Not ever. Look up Quagmire and Nixon.

qbrad

@SoundSystem: "(just look at how much effort you put in to your typical "conservative" response.)"

Gadgetplay always makes lists of @'s. It's his thing. Actually I kinda like it. Better than @ing everyone separately. However, I still don't agree with his politics. Never will.

qbrad

I salute these hackers, even if they have to take a hit for the team.

Palin is a liar (and probably an adulterer). Everything she says is a lie.
Exposing her life to the world is an absolute necessity.

AdmNaismith

It's amazing how people assume that using an anonymous proxy will always keep their surfing anonymous. A proxy is a web server just like any other web server. As such, they typically keep logs. Unless the server is outside the borders of the US, it's a simple process to legally obtain the log information.

HappyBilEd

@1.21Gigawatts:
So if you do not consider this much of an offense, I gues you would not have a problem with the unauthorized wiretaps into email accounts, would you. I mean if the FBI doesn't steal anything ...

eth3l

@GadgetPlay: So it's OK for a mere governor to not be capable of coming up with an answer to a security question that any ten year old with a modicum of curiosity and only half a brain couldn't figure out? It's "not get hacked 101" to know that IF you must answer these security questions to not answer them correctly. All you have to do is pick the most absurd word you can think of, and make that the answer to all of these silly security questions. You'll never forget the answer, and a hacker will never figure it out.

But here's the big question that conservatives don't want to answer.... if all of her e-mail communications were so above board and legitimate, why did she have to create a yahoo account for her staff to communicate with her. Why were they admonished for accidentally using the correct .gov e-mail?

Oh and BTW, I have a lot of compassion for the mentally retarded. It's the just plain old fashioned stupid that I find to be alternately amusing and tiring.

I mean c'mon, even you have to admit that a state governor should have enough intelligence to realize that they are high profile enough to be a target for this sort of thing and take the proper security steps to prevent it. If she can't even protect her own e-mail...... well God forbid she is ever in charge of protecting the country.

robinandtami

@92BuickLeSabre: if she is your worst nightmare then you are completely clueless about Obama and Biden. Obama is a thug right in line with all of the other political thugs from Chicago. As a minority, I see clearly through his race baiting. The only reason why white democrats stand behind so strongly is because they want to alleviate their sense of guilt of about their own racism. In my life, only white liberals ever bringing up the fact I'm a minority. Please we need more people who aren't from Washington like Governor Palin not more of the same old same old Obama "what is community organizer" and Biden "30+ years in the senate and still hasn't learned a dang thing."

coolkiwilivin

@qbrad: "I still don't agree with his politics. Never will."

No probably not. But thanks for the compliment, qbrad.

@AdmNaismith: "Palin is a liar (and probably an adulterer). Everything she says is a lie."

Wow. Where do you people get this stuff?

@robinandtami: "The woman's security question was "Where did you meet your spouse?" She only gave the correct answer to her security question to millions of people on Live television."

I'm guessing that she set up the e-mail account before she was chosen to be the next Veep. It's good, though, that you have that compassion, sensitivity, and respect for privacy that libs are known for. Of course she's pro-life and thus must be hated.

@Gary_7vn: "The real story here is that Palin was taking a page from the Rove playbook and using her yahoo account for back channel communications."

I wish you libs would make up your mind as to whether Gov. Palin is an evil genius or a brain dead retard. She can't be both. (Actually, she's neither, but that doesn't serve your base political ends, so go ahead and pick one.)

@Mpls_Mikey: "Um... it has been demonstrated that she did support charging victims for rape kits and that she has lied about earmarks that she claims to have turned down."

None of that has been demonstrated, quite the opposite.

@yablunk: "I also find it hard to believe that a man who cannot type do to injuries can operate a plane."

Too stupid to even atttempt to straighten out. I'm sure even libs are ashamed to be metaphorically "seen with you."

@OMG! Ponies!: "She either misleads people unintentionally with, lies, exaggerations and omissions or she intentionally misleads people with lies, exaggerations and omissions."

Or maybe, someone's misleading you. Just a thought.

@deanes: "I am excited to see what else the army of 300 thugs Obama sent to Alaska to discredit her"

Actually, it was only 30 thugs. But that's 30 too many.

@SoundSystem: "@GadgetPlay: You are a tool."

I'm not sure about that, but my penis is the hammer. So it's a "tool" no matter how you look at it.

@Hilo: "Instead you've got everyone just saying (assuming?) she's doing it without any sort of real evidence, to my knowledge."

Same thing as with all the other ridiculous claims. Why should it be any different with this one?

@OMG! Ponies!: Oh Ponies...Maybe we should just agree to disagree on this one (and all politics). Think about it. A mutual non-aggression pact? We could be like friends and stuff.

@ilves: "Thanks for the long and unneccesary [sic] anti-liberal bitch fest."

When it is no longer necessary, I will no longer do it. I look forward to that day. (But I'm not holding my breath.)

GadgetPlay

@robinandtami: "I mean c'mon, even you have to admit that a state governor should have enough intelligence to..."

Sadly, being supremely stupid is apparently a major selling point for American voters. Proof? Bush. Twice.

I've never been so truly embarrassed to travel abroad and have to admit my country of origin.

bosskev

@qbrad: Yes you are correct. I've noticed it before. He seems to have the cookie cutter response for each comment he has posted in other threads. He reminds me of a broken record skipping in the same place.

SoundSystem

@GadgetPlay: Do you ever feel like the little dutch boy? So many leaks, so little time, so many liberals to attack. My post said nothing about her intellectual capacity. I simply said she was using a Rove tactic. Personally I think she is moderately clever. Her belief that the earth is 6500 years old though, proves that she does have an extraordinary capacity to ignore established facts.

As for the right being upset over this invasion of her privacy, Glenn Greenwald at Salon has an excellent article about the hypocrisy of the right.
[www.salon.com]

In any event don't worry, McCain will win (vote fixing, caging, racial hatred, a complicit corporate media), then die (he has a serious undisclosed illness). Foxy Palin will be President and America will get the government it deserves.

Gary_7vn

@bosskev: Our other options weren't that great either though, and Bush's first term wasn't too bad. He had around a 50% approval rating going into his second term and received 50.7% of the popular vote, which is more than Clinton got.

Rabid Penguin

I dislike you GadgetPlay, not because you are a flaming red elephant, but because you are simply a prick. If anyone needs justification for this statement just look at his super long list of responses/attacks towards what he calls "liberals".

yablunk

@GadgetPlay: No, go ahead, try and "straighten" it out. I'm all ears.

yablunk

@yablunk: His reply may have been long, but none of it sounds prick-ish.

@Gary_7vn: Since when is the age of the Earth a proven, established fact?

Rabid Penguin

@Rabid Penguin: Since when is the age of the Earth a proven, established fact?

ummm, well, it was at least 6500 years ago (it's in the bible).

Wow, I can't even believe that you are asking me that question. Go back to school man. Now. You do know that by asking this question you are rejecting physics, chemistry, astronomy, just about the whole of known and established science. The very science that make the internets and computers work right?

Look human footprints! Right next to dinosaur tracks! Works for some people I guess.

Gary_7vn

What a dumbass...

sdgmcdon

@Rabid Penguin: Yeah.... we all know that approval ratings are the best indicators of actual performance. Pubs gave him a pass on letting 9/11 happen, despite all the security memos that warned about terrorists and plances, because he'd only been in office for 9 months. Now almost eight years later he's at the helm for the worst financial disaster since the great depression. I'm sure he'll get a pass on that one too. And John McCain, chairman of the commerce commitee will get a complete pass as well. Somehow Bill Clinton's underwear will get the blame.

robinandtami

@Gary_7vn: The Bible never tells the age of the Earth, a lot of people just believe it points to a younger Earth.

Science doesn't produce facts. It's only a tool we use to help us better understand the natural world. There have been plenty of times when "established fact" has been questioned and found to be wrong... or at least based on a new understanding of things. We've incorrectly dated things that are hundreds of years old and you want to tell me that we can accurately date the world back to 4.5 billion years? Whether the Earth is or isn't that old, it happens to be the conclusion that you come to based on the evidence you think you have that supports that theory - good for you, not everyone (including scientists) agrees.

"Go back to school man. Now."
Are they still teaching recapitulation theory?

@robinandtami: I'm not sure what you mean by pass? But I doubt Bush will be brought up on any charges if that's what you mean. There's a lot of blame to go around though... the democrats have their fingers in many pies too.

Maybe it's finally time people stand up and tell the government enough is enough... but I fear people have grown to accustomed to having government "solve" their problems that nothing will really change. Neither Obama nor McCain are instruments change, at least not for the better anyway. We need someone who will restore the constitution to its rightful place, reduce the federal government and return a lot of the power back to the states where it belongs.

Rabid Penguin

@Rabid Penguin: The bible does not state the age directly, but you can make calculations based on the begats and such. Bishop Usher did this several hundred years ago (before the earth was created? who knows? how can we know anything? Anything?). He was the one who came up with the generally accepted (in the Christian community) number of 6500 years, I believe he even said it was on a Tuesday at around 9:30 in the morning.

If you want to reject huge swathes of scientific discovery, method and achievement go ahead. The internet works on magic... it might.

Gary_7vn

@Rabid Penguin: By "give him a pass" I mean not place any blame on his shoulders at all and act like it was totally out of his control.

robinandtami

They will play this up and this guy will end up getting butt-raped in prison over this, he didn't make any changes, he didn't send hurtful emails to anyone, he took some screenshots showing he got in, and yes it was moronic to leave the address bar in the screens but I could almost guarantee he will go to prison, they will probably pass this guy around like a joint in the joint hah, I made a funny!

danatoth

Wow, a lot of liberal opinions here but no one has convinced me that she's a criminal - only that the hackers are.

sky64

I'm pro-Obama, but in this case I have to defend the opposition. The hacking of Palin's E-mails is a lot like the shenanigans that started off watergate. But no-one is making a fuss over the fact that the hackers were in the wrong.

charliebob

That's only if the Ctunnel owner gets a subpoena would he have to give up those logs.. and even then he could still fight it.

Personally I will never use ctunnel.com again after finding out how willing the host is give up users of his site.

PwnStar

You're not a REAL hacker if you can't do it without getting caught! Its like putting lipstick on a pig..... OOPS!

Gizmonster