Review: EFiX Dongle Perfectly Transforms PC to Mac
Posted by Matt Buchanan at 6:30 AM on September 17, 2008
When we first heard about EFiX—a simple USB dongle that'll let you magically install Leopard on your PC—it sounded too fantastic to be true. Well, I used it to turn my gaming PC into a Mac Pro over the weekend, and I'm somewhat amazed to say this, but it works perfectly.
I grabbed all the updates straight from Apple—including 10.5.5 last night, so you don't have to wait for a hacked patch like you would running a typical Hackintosh—installed a whole bunch of software and have been using it for several days. It runs beautifully, just like a real Mac Pro.
The Process
There are, of course, rules you have to adhere to, as there tends to be when using black magic. The major one with EFiX, and its only real "catch," is that you have to use the supported hardware, not a very long list indeed. But outside of the Gigabyte motherboard requirement (reportedly some Asus boards using a P45 chipset also work), it's actually fairly generic. I just happened to have everything on the list.
If you've got the hardware, the whole process is simple, so that even if you've never cracked your desktop before, you could still get this done with a quick search online for the requisite know-how. I plugged the EFiX dongle into a USB header on my motherboard—not, as you might have assumed, to a USB port on the outside. That's really it for getting your hands dirty, though. I restarted my computer, selected EFiX as the boot device—it was listed under hard drives, actually—and was greeted with a drive selector. After selecting the Leopard disc, it started installing without a hitch.
Okay, there was a slight hitch. My video card, an Nvidia 8800GT, isn't supported by the firmware EFiX ships with. EFiX already has the update on the site, but its updater is only coded for 32-bit Windows. If, like me, you run Vista 64-bit, you will have to install Vista 32-bit on the drive you intend to put Leopard on, just to update the stupid firmware.
After I did that, everything was peachy. The only slight inconsistency is that my 8800GT shows up as a 256MB card, when it's actually a 512MB card, and my 1066MHz RAM is only running at 800MHz apparently. But that's sorta trivial.
The Numbers
Here are some benchmarks compared to some numbers Adam over at Lifehacker ran for his Hacktinosh vs. a MacBook Pro and Mac Pro. Obviously, my hardware is newer—a 3GHz E8400 Wolfdale Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM (running at the slower 800MHz, rather than 1066MHz) and an Nvidia 8800 GT (with the OS only recognising half of the memory). The total guts of my computer cost just under $US800 when I put it together in May, hard drive included. (Mac Pros start at $US2,300.)
Day to Day
One thing to keep in mind is that EFiX has to interlope every time you want to boot to Leopard, so a cold boot takes at least two minutes, between booting to EFiX, picking Leopard, then loading it up. And when you go into Windows, EFiX will show up as an attached USB drive. These aren't dealbreakers--once you're up, performance is great. Overall, the experience is really incredible for how smooth and seamless it is. Updates, installing software, everything is just like a real Mac. The best way to put it is this: I've got a Mac Pro now.
I occasionally feel like Windows is running just a smidge more slowly, but benchmarks compared to before I installed EFiX don't support that creeping feeling, so I chalk it up to paranoia.
Is the dongle worth $US170? That's a personal question. Do you wanna go through the usually more complicated—but free—Hackintosh process? Perhaps the best way to look at it is this: If you've already got the supported hardware, it's like buying a Mac for $US170, since you can still have your trusty PC just a restart away on the same machine. Also, even as simplified as it is, you still need to know what you're doing. There's no official tech support, though there is a very active forum that provides helpful answers to queries.
Unfortunately, if you're in the US, getting a hold of this finely crafted piece of sorcery is trickier. It's sold in Europe, but the company doesn't have distribution in the US yet. They're selling units on eBay for now. So far in our dealings with the company we haven't had any reason to think they're scamming anyone, but it's understandable if you wanna approach this with caution. [EFiX]


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MichaelScrip
Posted 7:26 AM 17/9/08
@peacefulpony:> "If you're willing to pay $170 to run OSX on a PC, I think you should just get a Mac and get the full experience. IMO. I'm not a Mac fan, but even this sounds stupid."
Or, you want to use Mac OSX on your CHOICE of hardware... even on the PC you already own.
Sure, you're breaking the Apple EULA, and you don't get Apple's slick aluminum MacPro case... but how much more "experience" can you get for an extra $1600?
I don't think this EFiX dongle will make its way into pure Apple graphics or video editing shops. It's more of a hobbyist tool at this point.
Let the kids play!
MichaelScrip
SgtToastie
Posted 7:26 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: You my friend have successfully trolled someone.
So I can run Mac OS on a better faster computer at half the cost with just a slightly longer boot time? Unless Apple really is making their prices reasonable, I'll use this on a homebuilt PC!
SgtToastie
Aberroownn
Posted 7:24 AM 17/9/08
What about overclocked computers? any known issues?
I have a gigabyte mobo running a Q6600 @ 3.54ghz
just wondering if I would have issues.
Aberroownn
DssTrainer
Posted 7:23 AM 17/9/08
@RockNRollBeaver: If you own both, do you hate yourself?
DssTrainer
b33rl0rd
Posted 7:23 AM 17/9/08
As a hardcore Hackintosher, I have to say, this is interesting. But to me, part of the fun of the experience is the voodoo. On the other hand, it CAN get tiring. Things are improved when it comes to EFI emulation these days.
Which reeeeeeeeeminds me! Mr Article Author, I know why your v-card is showing half the RAM. I went through this with my 7900GTX. Long story short: nVidia is lazy and they don't code the memory size in the firmware correctly, mainly because BIOS OSes should detect what BIOS tells them, and BIOS tells them 512. EFI probes the card directly and sees the wrong number. The info on how to do the flash is here: [nvinject.free.fr]
I did the flash from Windows and it was just dandy.
b33rl0rd
gamecrazychris
Posted 7:23 AM 17/9/08
I need it to support my gtx 280 and my Asus 780i before I get this.
gamecrazychris
matt buchanan
Posted 7:20 AM 17/9/08
@grimdeath9740: The only one I've seen is the clock thing, and that's been intermittent. I actually forgot about it.
matt buchanan
Con Seannery
Posted 7:19 AM 17/9/08
I'm gonna have to say it AGAIN! A. MAC. IS. A. PC. PC. DOES. NOT. MEAN. WINDOWS. LINUX. MACHINES. ARE. ALSO. PCS.
Con Seannery
jorvay
Posted 7:19 AM 17/9/08
Hmmmm...I have reason for using a Mac, but if I did, the idea of a $1400 budget for components (according to a build I did on ncix.com that copies the mac pro specs with a very nice case) plus a $170 cost for the dongle and about $130 for the OS for a total of $1700 sounds like a much better way to get a mac pro than the $2400 for the base model from Apple.
Note that all the prices I used are in Canadian Dollars. Drop about $100 off each total for USD.
jorvay
RacecarBoobTat
Posted 7:18 AM 17/9/08
Too bad I went with the Asus board instead of a Gigabyte. Otherwise, I'd try it.
Kind of stinks that it cripples your video card though.
RacecarBoobTat
f0rge
Posted 7:17 AM 17/9/08
i had a hackintosh back in the day before i could justify the cost of a macbook, and it worked quite well.
the installation on the other hand was a PITA, so this seems pretty awesome to me... you know...if i didnt already have a mac.
f0rge
grimdeath9740
Posted 7:17 AM 17/9/08
I actually ran a hackintosh setup on my current PC at home using one of the compatible Gigabyte motherboards a few months back with the extra drivers and whatnot...it worked but was buggy beyond being able to use it on a daily basis.
I am curious if this would resolve a few of the main issues I had:
-I also had a bug that resent my clock in my bios/motherboard so when I went back to my Vista boot my clock was off by like 4-6 hours.
-I only have a ps2 keyboard and Mac OS would not use it after I rebooted unless I unplugged and replugged it back in while it was at the desktop.
-I had a few random freezes, and on area in the system preferences would cause a freeze on me every time I used it
I would love to hear if those could be avoided now. If those issues would not be a problem now I would probably pick one up, being able to accept official updates is AWESOME!
grimdeath9740
bestpersonintheunivers
Posted 7:15 AM 17/9/08
@adhir: The built computer isn't portable. I'm not saying that this is $1500 worth of difference, but it certainly matters
bestpersonintheunivers
LazyPanda
Posted 7:15 AM 17/9/08
this sounds awesome, I would like to try it... but I'll I've got is this Macbook Pro. damn.
LazyPanda
ALT
Posted 7:13 AM 17/9/08
@SewerShark: Way to string a sentence together.
ALT
kahri
Posted 7:12 AM 17/9/08
Aaaw DAMN!
/Psystar
kahri
imaria
Posted 7:11 AM 17/9/08
If Apple finally went after PsyStar for peddling garbage, this will bring down the thunder for doing the same thing, but PROPERLY.
imaria
adhir
Posted 7:10 AM 17/9/08
@peacefulpony: did you read the part about the parts for his mac-pro-smoking hackintosh costing 800 bucks vs the entry price of 2300 for a real mac pro?
adhir
JackTheTripper
Posted 7:10 AM 17/9/08
@grayskyz:
Why not? Some of them are HOT!!!!!!
JackTheTripper
LastVigilante
Posted 7:07 AM 17/9/08
You and I have built frighteningly similar PCs. I don't know what Gigabyte MB you have, but the only difference in my machine from yours that I notice is that I have the 8800GTS. Creepy. OOooEeeeOOOoo!
I would try this, except I still haven't found the time to try Ubuntu yet, which I actually want to do, and which is free, so this EFiX thing is a long shot.
LastVigilante
peacefulpony
Posted 7:06 AM 17/9/08
If you're willing to pay $170 to run OSX on a PC, I think you should just get a Mac and get the full experience. IMO. I'm not a Mac fan, but even this sounds stupid.
peacefulpony
SewerShark
Posted 7:06 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: BTW, they woyuld complaing the same way that lots of them did over the psystar case.
"I hope apple sue the hell out of them." Does that ring as a bell?
SewerShark
SewerShark
Posted 7:01 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: Why don't you blend your balls on a blendtec blender?
Geez. You sound more bitching that a girl on her period.
SewerShark
Seinosuke
Posted 7:01 AM 17/9/08
Hey I've got that same case :D
Seinosuke
Drummer_Boy
Posted 6:57 AM 17/9/08
This interests me however I have an Asus motherboard. Quick! Off to the compatibility-mobile!
Drummer_Boy
ALT
Posted 6:56 AM 17/9/08
Sounds awesome, but silly that this is even necessary.
@SewerShark: Whining about potential whining is even worse. Why don't you shout "FRIST!!!!111" while you're at it. Moreover, hypothetically, why would a 'fanboy' object to having someone use their coveted OS?
ALT
grayskyz
Posted 6:55 AM 17/9/08
I didn't watch the video. The same way I wouldn't look at a transvestite.
grayskyz
Norcross
Posted 6:55 AM 17/9/08
I'm actually tempted. I couldn't bring myself to spend a mortgage payment (or two) on a Mac, but I can finagle $170 bucks.
@OMG! Ponies!: doubtful, considering the EU kinda hates them right now.
Norcross
flaxseed
Posted 6:54 AM 17/9/08
Nice idea... but $170 to get your xing-ling PC to run Mac OS?
I'd just get a real Mac, but I don't need more than I already have.
flaxseed
RockNRollBeaver
Posted 6:52 AM 17/9/08
That's funny because don't PC users usually hate Mac users? Why put a Mac on a PC? And why put PC on Mac?
I own both by the way.
RockNRollBeaver
tcrown
Posted 6:51 AM 17/9/08
Can you dump the contents of the dongle onto another usb and use that to install?
tcrown
Scott
Posted 6:50 AM 17/9/08
Change a PC to a MAC? Does Obama have something to do with this?
Scott
apitel
Posted 6:49 AM 17/9/08
Would be nice if the x-axis on the bar graph had title. Doesn't have much value without one.
apitel
konshuss
Posted 6:47 AM 17/9/08
It's like a plug-in lobotomy for your PC!
konshuss
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 6:44 AM 17/9/08
I'm sure Apple will try to sue them out of existence for trying to innovate without Cupertino's prior permission.
OMG! Ponies!
TimurY
Posted 6:41 AM 17/9/08
Sounds incredible! I would try it but...you know, I've already got a Mac.
TimurY
SewerShark
Posted 6:40 AM 17/9/08
*Waiting for fanboys to complain about it*
SewerShark
Jrsy
Posted 7:47 AM 17/9/08
But...my Personal Computer is already a Mac.
Jrsy
citizen024
Posted 7:40 AM 17/9/08
@apitel: i think that might be the benchmark score......
usually a random number the software coughs out based on the weather conditions or some random equation (GHz CPU x Mb RAM / [msec of 127.0.0.1 ping] = score????)
citizen024
Razta
Posted 7:40 AM 17/9/08
Crap, i was interested till it only works on Intel.
My X26000 is not on the list. =(
Razta
MrThunderfield
Posted 7:39 AM 17/9/08
Oh nice! I just might try it out! :D
BTW, Nice NIN wallpaper =D
MrThunderfield
Ham_Sandwich
Posted 7:39 AM 17/9/08
I've got a home built system that meets the specs, that is just gathering dust. 4 GB RAM, 2 TB disk, 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo, and a DVI to HDMI output. If I could find a TV tuner card that would work with the hardware hack, this could be the mother of all media centre's.
Ham_Sandwich
SewerShark
Posted 7:37 AM 17/9/08
@Hiphopopotamus: I really don't fully agree. Apple is like a Rhino mommy, and all they protucts are like theyr babies. If you mess with one of them, be aware.
You can barely use the full features of the iPhone SDK, you can install windows on an iMac, but you can't install on a regular PC, psystar tried to make an open PC and will be sued. I don't doubt that, as soon that this device get noticed, apple stomp over it.
SewerShark
Faslane66
Posted 7:35 AM 17/9/08
@jinsaotomex4:
That would Rule!!!
PC/Xbox 360 console!! surprised someone hasn't tried, this. Just shove it all in a pc case and then put in the motherboard from the Xbox, solder the thing to the other thing ad them mount the controller to a dip switch redundancy checker for consistent in-consistencies checking, ah hell, who am I kidding, I wouldn't know the first step LOL. great ideas though!
Faslane66
grimdeath9740
Posted 7:33 AM 17/9/08
@matt buchanan:
Thanks for the reply. Hmm perhaps I will give it a chance a little further down the road then though no more then I want to do (play with the OS) I might just be as well off to look for a used mac mini or something.
Thanks for the review anyways!
grimdeath9740
Hiphopopotamus
Posted 7:32 AM 17/9/08
Honestly, apple probably won't give a damn because 1) it doesnt affect their highly profitable laptop market 2) barely affects iMac demand 3) makes a huge amount of money from mac pro users off software and 4) the average mac consumer won't know how/won't want to attempt to do this.
Hiphopopotamus
Faslane66
Posted 7:32 AM 17/9/08
That Rules, i have a Mac Pro with Vista 64, Linux and XP (seperate partitions) so I;m all for it, although I personally don't need, but I'd pay the 170.00 for sure if I did need/want it. To each their own it's a tool, not to be confused with acting like a Tool and starting a Mac VS PC war again, so please don't everyone, Okay? That would be terrifc, thanks!
Faslane66
jinsaotomex4
Posted 7:30 AM 17/9/08
I don't really care for OSX, but I gotta say this is a VERY interesting. Now if there was a way to turn my PC into a 360 so I could play Ninja Gaiden 2...
jinsaotomex4
SewerShark
Posted 7:27 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: So, you don't have a decent argument against it, so you decided to take on my grammar? NIIIIICE
SewerShark
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 8:12 AM 17/9/08
"@adhir: The built computer isn't portable."
@bestpersonintheunivers: Neither is the Mac Pro. Perhaps you were thinking of the MacBook Pro?
Don't think I'd buy one of these (I'm happy enough with Ubuntu), but all the same, Go EFIX!
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
SewerShark
Posted 8:10 AM 17/9/08
@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: It's an USB device. I guess you can connect on a laptop, if the laptop meets the requirements, and if you set to boot from an USB device.
SewerShark
orionburch
Posted 8:07 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: Please watch what you say in these comments. Language like this is likely to get you banned.
orionburch
Bodie1550
Posted 8:06 AM 17/9/08
This interests me. I have a 4.5 year PowerMac Tower running Tiger just fine. But what are my options for the future? I don't want or need a notebook. I don't want a glossy screen iMac. My less than a year old Samsung 24' matt monitor looks great and the wide screen form factor is perfect for me. And I get NO glare. A factory refurbished MacPro will cost me almost $2000. No thanks. I like the expandability and upgradeability of towers. Plus their easy to fix when parts break. Apple is missing out on market share by not having a mid level tower. One that is not crippled. I would buy one today if the price range was between $1200 and $1500. I love Apple because of their OS and software. Windows sucks. And since 1987 I've ONLY owned Macs. But what are my options for the future? Should I email this to Steve Jobs? Would he answer?
Bodie1550
SewerShark
Posted 8:04 AM 17/9/08
@Ham_Sandwich: Yeah, I'm not judging their starategy.
You also have a point there, but, I still doubt that something like that will pass unnoticed.
But I like to see some effort to give people a choice, even through obscure ways. I would like to try that, but I don't think it will be avaliable here in Brazil too soon.
SewerShark
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 8:00 AM 17/9/08
@ARONBOARD: Given the size constraints, probably not. It has to be internal.
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
ARONBOARD
Posted 7:55 AM 17/9/08
Is this possible on a laptop?
ARONBOARD
Joseph
Posted 7:54 AM 17/9/08
Haha where did you find a dual core Mac Pro? They have been released with 4 or more cores all year.
Joseph
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 7:53 AM 17/9/08
@Con Seannery: And, like I said before, PC has an artificial definition used to distinguish the two. There's lots and lots of generic hardware running the same OS. So they have a generic umbrella term to set them apart.
This is not something I think Apple would really go after, unless of course they're distributing a modified version of Apple's IP. If it's just a firmware hack that allows you to load in a legal copy of OS X that YOU purchased with hardware that YOU put together, Apple is not going to complain (at least not with lawyers).
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Ham_Sandwich
Posted 7:51 AM 17/9/08
@SewerShark:
You have a point, but on the other hand, OSX is almost completely reliable on my Macbook Pro. As well, my Macbook runs Vista better than my new Vista optimized Thinkpad does. Apple wants control of things to keep their products sexy and reliable. Microsoft wants everyone running Windows, no matter what. When an OS has to be compatible with such a wide array of components, it isn't a surprise that Vista hasn't been the success Microsoft had hoped, even though with SP1 it is a decent OS.
I think that both companies believe that their strategies are the correct ones, and that is not likely to change soon.
Ham_Sandwich
Xavoc
Posted 8:39 AM 17/9/08
@ALT: I don't think us "fanboys" object. Some of us folk don't like people doing things that are illegal. Which includes breach of the user agreement by installing the software on a machine that violates this.
I can't speak for others, but I own legal copies of my software, my music, my movies. I don't view theft as sticking it to the man, if I decide to do that, I merely refrain from making the purchase. Most things I really just don't need that much to resort to breaking a law.
Xavoc
LostAtoll
Posted 8:37 AM 17/9/08
just get a mac and your computer will work AND look good
LostAtoll
Xavoc
Posted 9:24 AM 17/9/08
@yesthisisapc: The mini has a C2D in it... I own one.
For the cost of a compatible system, the OS, plus the adapter it seems like it'd be cheaper to go the Mini route for your use.
I'd love to own a Mac Pro w/ fusion so that I can speedily run both OSX and Vista/XP on one box.
Xavoc
darthuv
Posted 9:10 AM 17/9/08
*Windows
**selling
darthuv
yesthisisapc
Posted 9:09 AM 17/9/08
@Xavoc: Yeah, but really, I'm doing iphone/ipod dev, it's not like I need that much power for it. I'll just toss in a midrange core2duo and still outperform the mini by leaps and bounds.
yesthisisapc
Xavoc
Posted 9:08 AM 17/9/08
@yesthisisapc: Not really, don't Mac Pros use Xeon processors?
Xavoc
davidfbecker
Posted 9:07 AM 17/9/08
Wow. Both of my headers are occupied, does it have to run off a header or can it just run off an internal port on a usb PCI card?
davidfbecker
darthuv
Posted 8:57 AM 17/9/08
Woohoo I can now finally build a tri-computational box with Window, Mac and Linux!!! Oh wait, $170 only saling in EU. Woohoo my German cousin can now finally build a tri-computational box!!!
darthuv
Carbonfly
Posted 8:51 AM 17/9/08
I don't see this listed anywhere on ebay.
Carbonfly
Sticky230
Posted 8:48 AM 17/9/08
there is no need for this.
Sticky230
Jamez
Posted 8:48 AM 17/9/08
Nice mouse.
Jamez
sos10
Posted 8:46 AM 17/9/08
@SewerShark: waiting for a fanboy to complain about fanboys...
sos10
csharms
Posted 8:45 AM 17/9/08
I have a gigabyte motherboard (system building is SOOO much economic)
and..but
wait I hate mac
csharms
yesthisisapc
Posted 8:45 AM 17/9/08
I love macs, but I love this more. This means I can toss together a functioning "Mac Pro" with next to no effort and little cost. Been waiting forever to quit doing iphone/touch dev work on a mini.
yesthisisapc
unkpku
Posted 8:42 AM 17/9/08
This just inspired a 'Get a Mac' commerical.
Mac Guy: I'm a Mac
Mac Guy: And I'm a PC
Pitch
Logo
*end commercial*
unkpku
ironchef
Posted 8:41 AM 17/9/08
MacPros a ton quietier and cooler to run. PC's sound like a hairdryer or lawnmower compared to the absolute quiet of a genuine MacPro.
Sorry but this PC mishmash is so ghetto wannabe it's laughable.
ironchef
rabiddachshund
Posted 8:40 AM 17/9/08
My mind. It is blown.
That bootloader is made of epic win.
What's that small monitor-like thing at the edge of the desk at -0:25?
rabiddachshund
ludwigk
Posted 9:50 AM 17/9/08
Cool demo, although I would avoid the phrase "turn my PC into a Mac...", since well, Mac is a brand name referring to shiny products made by Apple. Unless the Efix dongle picks up your case, moves it 5 feet to the left, then unboxes and sets up a Mac Pro at your desk, its not turning anything into a mac.
"make my PC run Mac OS X" is the correct phrase.
ludwigk
yesthisisapc
Posted 9:49 AM 17/9/08
@Xavoc: Which is why this is great for people like me. I just put together a system based on the hardware compatibility list for $900, including the dongle, and it blows any "legit" system out of the water.
yesthisisapc
roflwaffles
Posted 9:46 AM 17/9/08
@Exa:
zing!
Seems kinda pointless to me, as if you REALLY wanted OSX there are other methods available, and for 300 dollars more you could buy a mac mini.
Doing it for gaming is just silly, and if you want something like the mac pro, just buy a friggin mac pro.
I for one would rather just run XP.
roflwaffles
Xavoc
Posted 9:45 AM 17/9/08
@yesthisisapc: Yeah, I wish they'd get around to revamping the Mini to something a bit more powerful, but from what I've been reading Apple is thinking of lowering their margins on hardware. They've at least warned investors about this.
If they released a mini w/ a BD player in it I'd be all over it.
Xavoc
Exa
Posted 9:39 AM 17/9/08
haha, why would you want to downgrade your pc???
Exa
Xavoc
Posted 9:38 AM 17/9/08
@takemetoyourtoaster: Psystar... Basically you could buy their machine, this dongle, and be able to re-install the software yourself.
Xavoc
Mammoth
Posted 9:38 AM 17/9/08
So you need to keep it plugged in to run Leopard? Aww.. I was hoping it would just do some weird crap to the actual install of Leopard.. I have a Q9300 and 8GB of RAM waiting for this.
Mammoth
yesthisisapc
Posted 9:38 AM 17/9/08
@Xavoc: The mini has a VERY low end C2D, can't address more than 2gb of RAM, has a weak as hell graphics chip and is all around a very poor system.
Seriously, the T56/7200 are terrible chips, and the drives are as slow as paint. To get a mini to actual levels where it's not a terrible dev environment would cost more than building a PC around this thing.
yesthisisapc
Xavoc
Posted 9:38 AM 17/9/08
@MichaelScrip: Isn't that really Apple's choice to make? It IS their software, and part of the reason they control the hardware side of things so tightly is to help ensure user experience is consistent.
I don't really care what their reasons for writing their software eula personally, if I disagree with it I won't buy it or support it. There's a reason why I don't use Google Apps, Desktop, or Chrome.
Xavoc
takemetoyourtoaster
Posted 9:31 AM 17/9/08
anybody want to give me the name of a computer that i dont have to make myself and would have some nice specs, that could do this? not really into the whole buying parts and putting it together yourself thing
takemetoyourtoaster
MichaelScrip
Posted 9:31 AM 17/9/08
@Xavoc:> "Not really, don't Mac Pros use Xeon processors?"
You proved a point and you didn't even know you did.
Apple makes the Mini which is basically a laptop with no screen, the iMac which is a computer built into a screen, and the Mac Pro which uses high-end server class components.
If people want to build their own machines using reasonably priced parts... why not?
MichaelScrip
RoboChop
Posted 9:30 AM 17/9/08
[www.imperiodamagica.com.br]
RoboChop
okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
Posted 10:04 AM 17/9/08
Does that $170 include the cost of the Mac OS X?
okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
imTheKing
Posted 10:04 AM 17/9/08
@SewerShark: Not that my spelling/grammar is amazing, but holy hell. Either you are from another country or "dey aint teachin enlish ware you r".
Back on topic, how in the world is everyone still attempting to use the whole "price point" argument still? Just about every publication, including PC magazines have ruled out the facts and its been proven wrong 9 out of 10 times.
Why bother comparing the build of a Mac Pro to the build of a home built PC? Adam from Life Hacker adds the little "I built my computer for $800" while leaving out the fact that he probably doesn't have optical audio inputs / outputs, firewire 800 / 400 ports, built in wifi, 8 slot ram inserts capable of 32gb (i believe it is 32gb) and the easily swappable harddrive bays. Not to mention the incredibly solid build of the mac pro along with its sleek aesthetics. Come on now. Time to get onto a new attempt at justifying.
imTheKing
efenili
Posted 10:01 AM 17/9/08
Interesting....I wonder what it is that allows it
efenili
yesthisisapc
Posted 10:00 AM 17/9/08
"YO DAWG YOUR PC WAS LAGGIN' SO WE PUT IN A CORE2QUAD AND AN XBOX TO PLAY ON THE FOURTY-TWO INCH TV IN THE BAAAAAAAAACK!"
yesthisisapc
Xavoc
Posted 9:55 AM 17/9/08
Next up on MTV2: Pimp my PC into a Mac with your host, Xzibit.
Xavoc
Augustum
Posted 10:59 AM 17/9/08
External LAN 'coming soon'?
Augustum
x23
Posted 10:57 AM 17/9/08
"it's like buying a Mac for $170"
i wasn't aware that Leopard was available for free now.
x23
Kohono
Posted 10:56 AM 17/9/08
@rabiddachshund:
i second your question. anyone know what desktop clock thingy on the right at ~25 seconds is?
Kohono
yesthisisapc
Posted 10:40 AM 17/9/08
@biofreak: I imagine if you disable one or the other from the BIOS you should be fine. It probably grabs your hardware profile from there anyway to give the EFI a device list.
yesthisisapc
urbanturban666
Posted 10:39 AM 17/9/08
does it work with AMD powered systems?
urbanturban666
biofreak
Posted 10:26 AM 17/9/08
Question. what if i have 2 sound card in my PC.
like the one supported built in mobo and creative one that i put.
Will it give me some problems? I am just wondering.
biofreak
Con Seannery
Posted 11:27 AM 17/9/08
@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: People who make generalizations and inaccurate distinctions are bad for the public consciousness.
Con Seannery
sonburn
Posted 1:23 PM 17/9/08
Sounds awesome. I'm a mac user who uses macs not for their look, but for the OS. If this works better than hackintosh systems and is somehow in a legal loophole SWEET!!!!
sonburn
metalgear08
Posted 1:17 PM 17/9/08
This seems completely pointless. I mean, before this, you just had to have the proper hardware, then run a patched leopard install disk, run the installer, then download some patches and viola.
This just adds unnecessary hassle and headache to that in my opinion.
metalgear08
MichaelScrip
Posted 1:06 PM 17/9/08
@imTheKing:> "Back on topic, how in the world is everyone still attempting to use the whole "price point" argument still?"
Price point? People go into Best Buy and see a laptop for $699, then go the next aisle and see the cheapest Mac laptop for $1099... that's when people use the price point argument. Macs are nice... but people vote with their wallet. Most people don't really care about all the little extra things that Macs have.
The same it true for comparing a home built PC to a Mac Pro. Sure, if you built a PC with dual-quad Xeons and server memory, they would be close to the same price.
But the point of the EFiX is that people can built a computer that runs OSX using standard Intel processors and regular DDR2 RAM... a computer they already have.
Besides, the guy that uses a real Mac Pro and the guy that has the $800 clone are two totally different people anyway.
MichaelScrip
generall
Posted 1:36 PM 17/9/08
It's articles like this that make me want to rant like a fanboy over the PC vs. Mac debate.
Then I realize that for $170 I should just accept a good freaking deal and shut the hell up.
generall
yesthisisapc
Posted 2:13 PM 17/9/08
@metalgear08: Headache and hassle? Well for one, you can actually update the Mac with this instead of praying that a patched version of the latest OS update hits. If anything, this removes hassle.
yesthisisapc
redspectre
Posted 2:28 PM 17/9/08
why pay for a little dongle when you can just build your own hackintosh with emulators and possibly a copy of kalyway. its free too
redspectre
addiktion
Posted 3:19 PM 17/9/08
@x23
I was thinking the same thing. Leopard on Amazon is $110. + $170 = $280 for a decent solution but iffy. I'll wait a little while and see if things get ironed out. You just never know with these kind of solutions.
I usually don't risk $280 on a solution that could be flaky with my current hardware (even though I have most of what giz has here).
addiktion
Neverhitboxes
Posted 3:18 PM 17/9/08
You have the same case as I do- nice! SilentPCReview much?
Neverhitboxes
yesthisisapc
Posted 3:13 PM 17/9/08
@redspectre: because, as said numerous times by myself and others, this eliminates your ability to do things like download updates and still isn't stable.
yesthisisapc
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 2:34 PM 17/9/08
@Con Seannery: Well, if we're going to be sour sticklers about it, how's about we all just throw our computers out the window, shake hands, part ways and get wasted?
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
chagwood
Posted 3:53 PM 17/9/08
Nice!
I've never owned a mac before. But lately I'm finding myself wanting a macbook more and more.
Normally I'd just pick one up but that would put my machine count up to 4 and I really don't need that many computers.
I guess I'd have to ebay my $1400 thinkpad to justify picking up a macbook.
chagwood
Shadowlayer
Posted 4:41 PM 17/9/08
I'll resume all the stuff maclovers are saying, and will keep saying, in one phrase:
It's still an ugly grey PC.
Shadowlayer
yesthisisapc
Posted 4:58 PM 17/9/08
@Shadowlayer: My computer doesn't have to look good, it's pretty on the INSIDE.
Because, you know. Core2Quad.
yesthisisapc
KoolAidMan
Posted 7:09 PM 17/9/08
The Mac Pros have been using two Quad-core Harpertown Xeons starting at 2.8ghz for a while now. They are also $500-$1000 cheaper than identically specced Xeon workstations by Dell and HP. Either way, the comparison benchmarks posted in the article are misleading since they are based on Mac Pro hardware from last year.
All that said, this is still very impressive and it helps to fill in that gaping hole in Apple's lineup: a standalone Core 2 Duo tower. I'll be buying one of these very soon and throwing it on my Windows/Ubuntu PC even though I've already got an iMac sitting right next to it.
KoolAidMan
Ginsu
Posted 8:36 PM 17/9/08
@Con Seannery: IN. THE. COMPUTER. INDUSTRY. "PC". REFERS. TO. A. COMPUTER. THAT. RUNS. WINDOWS. OR. LINUX.
MACS. ARE. REFERRED. TO. AS. MACS.
MACS. ARE. ONLY. REFERRED. TO. AS. PCS. BY. MORONS. LIKE. YOU. WHO. CLEARLY. THINK. THAT. ALL. COMPUTERS. ARE. CREATED. EQUAL.
YOU. ARE. A. DUMBASS. FOR. POSTING. IN. THIS. FORMAT. AND. I. WANTED. TO. EMPHASIZE. THAT. BY. MOCKING. YOU. WITH. IT.
All that said, I hope Apple sues them to the point of food stamps and living in the projects (once they get out of jail, of course) and that they burn in hell with Prystar and the folks over at OSX86.
Running the holy OS on infidel machines should be an offense legally punished by death.
Flame on, lemmings. Flame on.
Ginsu
Usama
Posted 9:17 PM 17/9/08
@peacefulpony: Yeah but for less money than a Mac I can run a Mac, Windows, and any Linux variant. AND my PC is far more upgradeable than an iMac (the comparable Mac in terms of cost).
Usama
ChapmanBrutus
Posted 8:56 PM 17/9/08
Does the EFiX dongle fix the local root vulnerability that's been shipping in Mac OS X for the last four years? No? Does it do anything to fix the damage that Apple has done to Darwin's security system? No? Then why downgrade from Vista to OS X?* (Note: I have used Vista but I prefer a Free operating system... also, the Mac Pro's Xeon processors are weak for real-world desktop tasks when you consider how much they cost. For server tasks they're great, for desktops you should just overclock a couple of Core 2 Quads.
ChapmanBrutus
Usama
Posted 9:24 PM 17/9/08
@imTheKing: I think the point is not everyone needs all those nice things in a Mac Pro. I certainly don't because by the time 32GB is the new RAM standard I would have bought all new hardware, and again spend only $800 or whatever. Assuming inflation isn't going to run off in the next 5 years that is still going to be cheaper than purchasing a Mac Pro, and I would have 2 computers. Or I could sell the first one on Craigslist to subsidize the cost of that 2nd computer (so only $700?). A Mac Pro is professional stuff right? I'm not a professional but I certainly don't want a crappy Mac Mini either.
@ChapmanBrutus: Ouch, all good arguments. (btw I prefer Vista over my Ubuntu, if only because I need some Windows apps). Anyway just the one Core2Quad has been overkill for me (except when I convert videos, then it's juuuust right) so yeah 8-cores on a Mac Pro is awesome but at this point unnecessary. Especially since they're Xeon.
Usama
closhedbb
Posted 10:41 PM 17/9/08
@imTheKing: I don't use/need optical audio inputs. I don't use firewire anymore. My desktop is not portable, so therefore wifi is not an issue. I don't need anymore RAM than the 8GB I have now. With 2TB, I don't need to swap HDs. Tough to justify buying a Mac over the dongle for me. I'm sure this is the case for a hell of a lot of people out there.
Plus, there's one big advantage. If I want to upgrade my computer, I only need to update the components I want to.
People who like building and customizing their computers beyond what an online "design your computer" function from a major manufacturer's website will allow don't get Macs. Now they can have what they want, and still play around with Leopard.
Mac is nothing more than an OS and over-priced designer components anyway...
closhedbb
SewerShark
Posted 10:22 PM 17/9/08
@imTheKing: Yes, I'm from another country.
SewerShark
mythicalcaesar
Posted 11:23 PM 17/9/08
@Scott: nah..he probably invented the mac like McCann invented the blackberry.
I found other sources to turn my pc into a mac to work okay. thats until you actually need to use a windows function.. then you're screwed.
mythicalcaesar
Sorablade
Posted 11:45 PM 17/9/08
hmm supports all my hardware cept my vid card.. dont want to downgrade vid card and pc to use this.. if they update soon i will try it out.
Sorablade
KLanD
Posted 12:13 AM 18/9/08
I keep reading the same 2 arguments over and over..
"Why not just get a Mac and get the full experience"
"your computer will work AND look good"
1- I don't like the whole "everything's white" concept. It makes me feel like I'm n a mental hospital.
2- I really don't like getting it up the rear every time I need a part or upgrade.
3- I enjoy not paying inflated prices so that Steve can buy another car.
4- My home built looks way nicer than a plain white (or gray) box.
5- I enjoy my originality, and freedom of choice. Not the "everyone must be the same" and "this is what you get, take it or leave it" attitude.
6- Finally, why, oh why, would I want to give up the true flexibility that is the "PC" experience.
As someone stated above, "why would you want to downgrade your PC". In some ways I agree with that statement. To me using OSX would be like I was downgrading. However, I can understand why a lot of people would love this option. I've considered running a hackintosh with parallels. But I realized that I'd nearly never use the Apple OS. I know this because I have a macbook pro and a new Mac pro available to me in the next room.
Whatever OS you use though, to me, this is a much better option than spending $1000+ more just so you can look at the little Apple logo. I'm willing to bet that if you did a blind test (unable to see the tower) of both, most, if not all Mac users wouldn't be able to tell the difference. (If the machines were already booted)
KLanD
Bluesk1d
Posted 12:07 AM 18/9/08
I like how the Hackintosh destroys the real Mac Pro at 1/3 the price. iZombies paying through the nose for the lose.
Bluesk1d
yipes
Posted 12:06 AM 18/9/08
@MichaelScrip: "Price point? [edit] Macs are nice... but people vote with their wallet. Most people don't really care about all the little extra things that Macs have."
That's because they don't know. For families, with kids, and lots of pictures, movies, and relatives wanting to see pictures and movies, NOTHING can beat the ease, convenience, and work-flow of iPhoto/iMovie/iWeb...
I think many, many more consumers would be Mac customers if they realized what OSX and the associated Apple software would mean to them.
As for me, this EFiX dongle is making my dreams of a mac-centered powerhouse media center for my basement home theater more of a reality!
yipes
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 12:27 AM 18/9/08
@KLanD: Regarding #2, if your Mac is in warranty, the part replacement's free. Also, beyond design-specific components, you'd find tons of options out there, like Newegg, OtherWorldComputing, TigerDirect and so forth. Heck, I could buy an HDD from Dell's site and it would work with my Macbook. They're all SATA anyway. Who buys parts from the computer vendors direct anyway? I thought we all got our stuff from places with the best pricing?
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Jafro
Posted 2:57 AM 18/9/08
Did nobody but me notice this? The specs for that "starting at $2300" Mac Pro are for a 2.5 year old machine. My desktop is a Dual-Quad 2.7GHz Xeon (already outdated), and I would love to benchmark my Mac running Vista against that gaming system used for testing. It would be more comparable considering I have 4 GB of memory... but keep in mind that's only 512k per processor core.
The MacBook Pro used in these benchmarks is also over 2 years old as well.
My 2.5GHz MacBook Pro would grind all of the machines used for testing into geek-dust. Probably even running Windows.
Before everybody thinks I'm just honking my Mac horns, I would like to point out that the systems used in the benchmarks could be had used for half of what the "starting at" price that's mentioned, and they'd end up with [used] server-class architecture that can out-perform the hackintosh with the same amount of memory. The efix dongle is still a cool product for people building a new low-cost system, but I doubt anyone's PC would touch a new $2700 dual-quad performance-wise no matter what OS it's running. Sure there's a thick grey line separating them in this argument, but if the hardware configurations are comparably matched and the same relative age, notice they cost about the same?
I'm still glad this gives everyone the option of running their OS of choice regardless of hardware. Buy yours before the lawsuit.
Jafro
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 3:13 AM 18/9/08
@Shadowlayer: When was the last time you used a PC? 1995?
The beige/gray boxes are long gone, baby. Long gone.
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Hand_O_Death
Posted 4:37 AM 18/9/08
@konshuss: LOL you beat me to it, sweet downgrade.
Now technically it is not a Mac until it infects it's user with a virus, turning him into a snobby, holier-than-thou, attitude and become so loathing of the computer he installed it on, begins using it to blog about how horrible the lower minions of the interwebs truly are disgusting, mixing computer parts of different companies into one unit.
Hand_O_Death
Dradik27
Posted 4:26 AM 18/9/08
Obama: "The change doesn't come from Mac, the change comes to Mac"
Obama Obama Obama Obama!!
Dradik27
fitten
Posted 3:56 AM 18/9/08
@imTheKing:
"while leaving out the fact that he probably doesn't have optical audio inputs / outputs"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"firewire 800 / 400 ports"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"built in wifi"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"8 slot ram inserts capable of 32gb (i believe it is 32gb)"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"and the easily swappable harddrive bays"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"Not to mention the incredibly solid build of the mac pro"
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"along with its sleek aesthetics."
Probably doesn't need/want it so no need to pay for those things.
"Come on now. Time to get onto a new attempt at justifying"
He probably has exactly the hardware he wants/needs without Apple telling him what he needs and charging him more for it. Choice is a good thing.
Apple only gives you the choice of anemic Minis, marginal AIOs (I'd never own an AIO no matter who made it), a bunch of laptops (don't need mobility, not going to suffer using a laptop unless I do need mobility), and then a honking big machine (which is actually nice). There are no options for 'in between'. This devices gives you options/choices that Apple doesn't allow you to have (the fabled xMac), as long as you're willing to violate Apple's EULA.
fitten
elgarak
Posted 12:35 AM 18/9/08
I fail to see how you can compare a single dual-core machine with a twin quad-core.
You don't have a Mac Pro (which comes with twin quad-core). You have the equivalent of an iMac. (Probably. I'm willing to bet that some features of the iMac are not there.)
BTW, your hardware did not cost $800 ... it's $800 + $170 for the dongle.
elgarak
macuser1234
Posted 9:56 PM 17/9/08
You know, everyone always complains - just buy a Mac, why would you do this to a PC, blah blah blah.
I'm a Mac user; I have 4 of them: 1 G5, 1 MacBook Pro, 1 iMac Intel and 1 iBook G4 I keep around because the damn thing just won't die.
Mac's are not cheap and the more I have the better; I do a decent amount of video processing and the more Mac's I can off load Compressor rendering to, the more time I can spend doing my work.
I've got a few PC's laying around for testing - I haven't checked if I have the hardware yet, but if I can convert one of them to a Mac easily and save some cash in the process, the $170 for the dongle is justifiable.
Not starting a fight, but sometimes there are other reasons to need a Mac.
macuser1234
LemuelElatus
Posted 1:35 PM 17/9/08
Wow thats awesome in doing graphic arts/web work I'm constaintly working on both systems and likeing a small settup with a big monitor tthis would be very nice. Now I'll when I do the wrong apple quark/illustrator shortcuts I can just reboot to OSX. Already have the apple keyboard hooked up to the pc anyway. E
LemuelElatus
dantheman66
Posted 8:59 AM 17/9/08
@ARONBOARD: EFIX had a listing under Products for an express card version up until a few weeks ago, so it could be possible on a laptop if they ever release it.
I don't really see Apple having any kind of legal case here. EFIX simply emulates EFI, an Intel product. Apple just uses EFI on their Macs instead of BIOS.
dantheman66
AdalLilja
Posted 7:58 AM 17/9/08
A few questions: 1. Is sleeping and wake from sleep supported? 2. Is target disk mode supported? 3. Is the fan speed controlled by OS X? 4. Are Bluetooth peripherals supported? 5. Are eSATA peripherals supported? 6. Is firewire supported? If so I'm sold.
AdalLilja
-hh
Posted 5:43 AM 18/9/08
@adhir:
I was initially at a loss to figure out how, a single CPU with only 2 cores was somehow "smoking" a Mac Pro which comes standard with twice as many CPUs, each of which has twice as many cores. Particularly since I also noticed that Matt's 'EFIXintosh' is running a 1333MHz FSB, whereas the Mac Pro is shipping with a 1600MHz FSB.
The answer is partly in the RAM of the respective systems: 4GB on Matt's, whereas the Mac Pro is 1GB, despite the fact that Mac Pros are shipping with a minimum of 2GB. It would be easy for Matt to pull 3GB out of his machine to re-run the test and add that to the chart.
The second part is that when we want more power, the Law of Diminishing Returns always rears its ugly head: regardless of brand, we always get the first 80% of performance in the first 20% of the cost, which is why an $800 machine always is able to put on a fairly "respectable" showing versus one that costs 2x-3x as much. This applies regardless of brand or OS, so I'm not making any sort of "Religious War" statement.
Thus said, while I find the idea of the EFIX to be interesting, and a nice tool for the enthusiast segment, I have my personal concerns over how truly "white room" clean the EFIX ROM is, and if it will stand up to legal challenge. Everyone has learned a lot since the days of the Phoenix ROM BIOS lawsuit.
-hh
-hh
KLanD
Posted 5:32 AM 18/9/08
@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: Ya, I know, but most Mac people wouldn't think of buying parts anyway. They'd just bring it to the Apple store and fork out whatever the Genius tells them it's going to cost.
As for the warranty. If your HDD dies, good luck trying to keep the old drive so you can recover your files. Because you don't truly OWN a Mac until the warranty expires. Before that every broken part is property of Apple. Also, most repairs are done using refurbished parts, I'm not saying refurbished parts aren't good, but for the price, I'd want new.
KLanD
matt buchanan
Posted 6:01 AM 18/9/08
@-hh: Yeah, as I noted, my hardware is newer than the Mac Pro Pash noted in his benches. Still, I think a lot of commenters miss the point of this device. What it opens up for $155 is fairly remarkable, I think, even for that price. Yes, you could go the free Hackintosh route. That's a choice. And so is this. Well, as soon as you can buy it easily. Latest word is that they're limiting quantities per day to ensure timely delivery--take that for what you will.
matt buchanan
benjgvps
Posted 7:20 AM 18/9/08
Seems like it is just a USB drive with some special drivers and assorted things to make OS X work. Mind telling us what is on that "Mass storage device" that windows sees?
benjgvps
tech-tard
Posted 7:37 AM 18/9/08
This interests me. All the issues I had with Mac (as a platform) have been addressed little by little over the years (other than those pathetics who have taken the Apple worshipping to "cult status" - of which there are a similar crowd on the windows side).
With the Hackintosh I was finally ready to make my own - just didn't have time to devote to that type of side-project. Now this looks even easier.
In the spirit of "tinkering" I can now explore what has been something I've been curious of - but always dismissed before because of what was a walled-garden approach to the Mac platform. Enough of those limitations are lifted now that I would proceed BUILDING MY OWN that I can self-service hardware-wise. Then adorn with OSX AND any other OS.
tech-tard
MichaelScrip
Posted 8:27 AM 18/9/08
@yipes:> "For families, with kids, and lots of pictures, movies, and relatives wanting to see pictures and movies, NOTHING can beat the ease, convenience, and work-flow of iPhoto/iMovie/iWeb...
I think many, many more consumers would be Mac customers if they realized what OSX and the associated Apple software would mean to them."
I wish more people would realize that Macs offer more great experience out of the box. But, again, people will still buy a cheap-ass computer from Best Buy. Price is still a huge factor with families.
But, if 95% of computers are running Windows... those people are obviously doing something with their digital photos. E-mail works on Windows, right?
Maybe if Apple had better commercials that actually showed iPhoto, iMovie, etc, instead of always bashing Windows... they might sell more Macs. Apple basically calls you stupid for using Windows... and that's supposed to get you into an Apple store to drop $1200?
It will continue to be a Windows world for a while. I tell everyone I know to get a Mac... I'm up to 3 people so far... but I'm only one man!
MichaelScrip
EnzoFX
Posted 8:43 AM 18/9/08
The free way is almost just as easy... For example, you don't have to open up your computer. This is just an alternate option to installing efi files on your hard drive.
EnzoFX
Macdelaney
Posted 11:23 AM 18/9/08
@matt buchanan: wouldn't making the OS clock update to a time server on boot solve that?
Macdelaney
newSeasons
Posted 2:45 PM 18/9/08
JUST BUY ONE!
newSeasons
KoolAidMan
Posted 3:01 PM 18/9/08
@Bluesk1d: The Mac Pro in that benchmark graph is a 2 1/2 year old machine. In other words, it is complete BS if we're talking about comparing current machines against each other.
KoolAidMan
-hh
Posted 11:50 PM 18/9/08
@matt buchanan:
"...as I noted, my hardware is newer than the Mac Pro Pash noted in his benches..."
Which merely means that all that has been done is to reaffirm Moore's Law ... yet again?
"...Still, I think a lot of commenters miss the point of this device. What it opens up for $155 is fairly remarkable, I think, even for that price..."
Two fallacies:
The first is (as has been pointed out) that its not just the $155 EFIX, unless you're advocating the theft of the OS X Operating System, which is roughly another $150.
The second is (as I alluded to with my Phoenix ROM BIOS comment) that there's protected (Copyright & IP) development costs that invariably raise the price of the Apple (and Microsoft, etc). Much of the hardware in this industry is now narrow-margin competitive "commodity", which means that the only major opportunities for huge differences in price stems from software.
Historically, we need to remember that the PC didn't really take off in the 1980s until after the court case was formally decided on the legality of PC Clones. Now I'm not accusing EFIX of doing wrong, but I'm personally predisposed to delay buying their product until I've seen that they've successfully weathered a legal challenge.
YMMV, but I've been sensitized to the issue of theft of IP/Copyright because I've had some of my personal Works stolen and the unfortunate reality is that it is very expensive for me to litigate (often, internationally) in order to make the thieves pay their due. As such, I hope that you can understand & respect my reluctance to provide financial support to an entity that to me looks like it has a reasonable risk of IP improprieties.
"...Yes, you could go the free Hackintosh route. That's a choice. And so is this. Well, as soon as you can buy it easily..."
Sure, its an interesting and useful tool for the Hackintosh community. The dilemma is that if it makes it "too easy", it threatens changing the current corporate policy of benign indifference to small "ankle-biter" violators. If it becomes meaningful-enough to be a threat to the central business, either short term (financially) or long term (IP), then the IP holder is obligated to aggressively ligitate to defend his turf.
And FWIW, in looking at eBay, it would appear that the street price for the old 2.66GHz Mac Pro w/no upgrades (eg, 1GB RAM, etc) is around $1500-$1700. As such, your $800 PC plus the $300 for the EFIX and legal OS X licence is $1100, so the price difference is narrower than has been suggested. Granted, saving $500 is still nothing to sneeze at, but we do have to also recognize that a good chunk of this is simply the age old example of DIY computer assembly -vs- buying a fully assembled product with an OEM Warrenty, which has nothing to do with "Brand" (eg, Apple): there would have been a cost difference also present if you had compared your DIY versus a Dell.
-hh
-hh
yipes
Posted 11:59 PM 18/9/08
@MichaelScrip: "But, if 95% of computers are running Windows... those people are obviously doing something with their digital photos. E-mail works on Windows, right?"
Yeah -- like my technophobe parents. They save all of their digital pictures on their old eMachine, and complain constantly that they can't look at them "like we used to when we had real pictures..." I was pushing to get them an AppleTV, pre-loaded, etc... so they could enjoy their pictures in some manner, but got outvoted in favor of a photo printer.
I can't believe that in this day and age of "I'm a Mac; and I'm a PC," that we would have to do so much evangelization for OSX and iPhoto. I have to agree with you, though... If the commercials highlighted Apple's MASSIVE software advantage, instead of just making PC users look like idiots for their purchases, we'd probably have it a lot easier.
yipes
ILoveToast
Posted 4:03 AM 19/9/08
There inglish is amazinc!
ILoveToast
Dearhaw
Posted 7:53 AM 19/9/08
Here's an Apple fan that would be totally interested in this, especially if it's true that a $800 system could best a $2300 Mac Pro.
However, I find that hard to believe, when just one of the Xeon Harptertown processors used in the cheapest Mac Pro (2.8GHz) goes for $700 at Newegg.com. How's that work again?
Dearhaw
AlphaTeam
Posted 9:33 AM 19/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: They can't EFI is open firmware proposed by Intel, not Apple.
AlphaTeam
NIGHTSTALKER1234
Posted 12:54 AM 20/9/08
DDR3 RAM...sorry typo.
NIGHTSTALKER1234
NIGHTSTALKER1234
Posted 12:51 AM 20/9/08
So I got my OS X installed on my PC just fine using efi-x. Here are my specs:
Motherboard: Asus P5E3 Deluxe
Processor: 3Ghz - Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - L2 12MB Cache
Hard Drives: 3 Internal SATA Drives
- Western Digital 500 GB (installed osx on this)
- Western Digital 700 GB (windows vista x64)
- Hitachi 400 GB - (empty just storage)
RAM: 4GB Corsair XMS DD3 1333Mhz RAM
Graphics Cards: Two ATI Radeon 3870X2's running in crossfire.
Optical Drives:
- SATA - SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner (used this to install OSX)
- IDE - SAMSUNG 16X DVD±R DVD Burner (Mac OSX will not recognize IDE drives)
Monitors: Two 24" Dell monitors.
Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830 Evo with 10 fans in it.
NIGHTSTALKER1234
gre9del
Posted 4:11 PM 21/9/08
@NIGHTSTALKER1234: Hey, just curious, how long did it take for you to get your dongle? I ordered one as well and am waiting for it to arrive... Thanks!
gre9del