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Palin Email 'Hack' Was Hardly a Hack at All
Posted by John Mahoney at 9:00 AM on September 19, 2008
The screamingly obvious trail of evidence left behind by the person who broke into Sarah Palin's Yahoo mail yesterday should have been the tip-off--this was not an elite job. According to postings on the troll-hive forum 4chan dug up by Threat Level, all the perp did was guess her password-resest security question correctly after a few seconds of Googling.
The question was: Where did you meet your spouse? A fact that is readily available in the now flooded stream of Palin info on the web--they met in high school, and that's all it took to start the shitstorm. The 4chan post also further illustrates that the whole thing was done by someone well over their head:
yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn't know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state
Read the complete post over at Wired, and pick up an excellent primer to making sure your email and other online accounts are as secure as possible with this great guide by our friends at Lifehacker. [Threat Level, Lifehacker]

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Vincent
Posted September 19, 2008 1:26 PM
Hum... Don't you think it's some kind of Buzz Marketing campaign to show that "well there WAS NOTHING"? Well, to me it seems quite obvious and wouldn't surprise me at all...
Peggy McGilligan
Posted September 20, 2008 3:27 AM
The attack on Governor Sarah Palin’s privacy is inexcusable. Americans have constitutional guarantees, among them the right to be secure in their papers. In a hastily worded statement the Associated Press informed the Secret Service, “No way dude, are we givin’ up them emails. Ask anybody; she got hacked fair & square. Like get your own story man, this one’s ours.” Due to the nature of the electronic medium, the Palin case should be groundbreaking.
Again, Mr. cell phone is not your friend: whenever one’s cell phone is switched on, just turned on, even if it's not a GPS enabled device, it emits a signal that anyone who obtains your SIM card number may track with an array of inexpensive software. GOOGLE GPS tracking devices. The phone’s speaker can also be remotely activated for use as a listening device. Perhaps you’re wondering, as did I, how certain individuals seem to know your whereabouts, or manage to show up when and where they do. High tech lends the good, the bad & the ugly a level of sophistication hitherto unimagined. Suggest: remove the battery when not in use: http://theseedsof9-11.com
Glare
Posted 9:34 AM 19/9/08
@92BuickLeSabre: HEY Tina Fey is actually a hot woman, not just some MILF.
Glare
Glare
Posted 9:33 AM 19/9/08
Does that mean that it REALLY was a 12-year old?
Glare
sumocat
Posted 9:28 AM 19/9/08
I don't know why you guys insist this is not a real hack. Do you not remember Wargames? Hacked into DoD by looking up someone's personal information in the library? This guy isn't a poser; he's old-school. :)
sumocat
MichaelScrip
Posted 9:27 AM 19/9/08
Do we know if these Yahoo accounts were the ones she actually uses for government? I see her addresses were gov.palin@yahoo.com and gov.sarah@yahoo.com... but who would use that?
Seems kinda silly to me... Shouldn't it be something at gov.state.ak.us?
Or is this just a stunt and her REAL governor e-mail address is fine after all?
If this story was about pres.bush@yahoo.com, we'd be all over that!
Yahoo, really?
MichaelScrip
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 9:25 AM 19/9/08
Oh man, what a joker. I mean, seriously, this sounds like the kind of lame jackass stunt you'd read about on Palin's future son-in-law's myspace page!
(Hey-Oh!)
(Okay, seriously. This dude is lame and an idiot; we all agree. Can we make her go away now? Or at least replace her picture with a picture of Tina Fey?)
92BuickLeSabre
Illrigger
Posted 9:24 AM 19/9/08
What's the proper answer to "Where did you and your spouse meet?" The same as the answer to "What was you first pet's name?" - Cameron Diaz. Who the hell is dumb enough to give a real answer to one of those questions? You give a false, nonsense answer that you know you'll remember.
Illrigger
smartboydan hates college
Posted 9:19 AM 19/9/08
@smartboydan hates college: Clearly I am biased, in case you didn't pick it up.
smartboydan hates college
mcjake
Posted 9:19 AM 19/9/08
Hahahaha, I was unfortunate enough to have to listen to the coverage of this on CNN. From what they were saying you would think this guy could take down the entire fucking internet.
mcjake
smartboydan hates college
Posted 9:18 AM 19/9/08
I read the original article a while ago and smelled bullshit. He talks about how he was looking for dirt on Palin and after reading every last email that there was none at all, despite the fact that there are dozens of unread emails evident in the screenshots, as well as a number of subject lines bearing government headings. The whole original post stunk of someone else trying to help cover things up.
Then there's the fact that Palin deleted the account instead of securing it better, which is destruction of evidence.
smartboydan hates college
vgart
Posted 9:18 AM 19/9/08
God that photo just represents so much now...Can't stand it. All i can see is Oil and Polar Bears
vgart
GiantEnemyCrab
Posted 9:16 AM 19/9/08
Shoot! He's unplugged his internet! They can't get him now!
GiantEnemyCrab
altus
Posted 9:15 AM 19/9/08
@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: Here's another one: Change his mobile to Hebrew! It's quite entertaining with most....
altus
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
Posted 9:15 AM 19/9/08
@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: I was being sarcastic.
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
Posted 9:11 AM 19/9/08
My ex got into mine, what a jerk. SO, I went into his and changed all his passwords. He got my spam mail about Viagra, but I locked him out of his bank account, deleted his email, and changed his myspace photos. Take that! How l33t am I? Hardcore...
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
PHermas
Posted 9:10 AM 19/9/08
This guy really better hope Palin isn't the VP after all this. She might pull a Cheney and send his ass to Gitmo. Ahhh crap.
PHermas
bobdobbs
Posted 9:09 AM 19/9/08
Hahaha. I hope that dude is really flexible because he's going to have to kiss his ass goodbye.
bobdobbs
i4ni
Posted 9:06 AM 19/9/08
If my personal account was hacked nobody would give a shit.
i4ni
altus
Posted 9:05 AM 19/9/08
It really doesn't matter. It's like saying that the door was unlocked and you got into the bedroom from the street.... We are all entitled to privacy.... Whatever we think of Palin is irrelevant. Everyone is entitled to privacy including the President, the Pope and us mortals. I am no Palin fan, yet, that was wrong and we should all stand for privacy before these arguments get turned around by the government wanting to have access to our emails. Nobody should: Government or hacks. Period. No exceptions.
altus
rcast1986
Posted 9:04 AM 19/9/08
He's scarrrrred.
rcast1986
Fused7
Posted 9:04 AM 19/9/08
ouch, talk about finding yourself in a shitstorm before you know it
Fused7
kurrupt_1
Posted 9:03 AM 19/9/08
Weak Sauce!
kurrupt_1
peepingdan
Posted 10:01 AM 19/9/08
Now can we please stop blaming the fictional "hacker group Anonymous"? Fox News has done enough.
peepingdan
dangj307
Posted 9:58 AM 19/9/08
Not sure if this has been posted, but it's a state senator's son. In Tennessee. Dem too I think.
[www.wrecradio.com]
dangj307
godwhacker
Posted 9:49 AM 19/9/08
comatose will be the best thing that will happen to this guy.
godwhacker
chiaspod
Posted 9:47 AM 19/9/08
@jdog2050:
Apparently she wasn't.
chiaspod
acceptablerisk
Posted 9:46 AM 19/9/08
@MichaelScrip:
That's actually part of the issues people are having. Mail to her state government email address is subject to archival and possible review. She was supposedly conducting state business through a personal email account in order to circumvent possible future investigations.
acceptablerisk
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Posted 9:44 AM 19/9/08
If someone leaves their bike outside unlocked while shopping on a busy street,
then they deserve to lose their bike.
Yes, the person who took it is a criminal.
AND the person who left it unlocked is an IDIOT.
Now imagine that the bike is actually state secrets.
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
cablio
Posted 9:41 AM 19/9/08
Won't people ever learn a google "hack" like that can be made from pc at school or FedEx Kinko's dramatically reducing chances of being caught. Even if you print all of them. League of morons.
cablio
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 9:39 AM 19/9/08
@MichaelScrip: You haven't been keeping up with this at all, have you?
The whole controversy is based on the fact that she's apparently using her Yahoo email to conduct government work, in order to get around federally-legislated monitoring.
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
jdog2050
Posted 9:38 AM 19/9/08
Ok...to the people saying Sarah Palin deserves privacy: you're such an idiot.
The issue here is that she was using a private email address to discuss governmental matters. Do you...not see how massive of a problem that is? Especially if the password to the account was "popcorn"?
jdog2050
Zombie_Belvedere
Posted 9:37 AM 19/9/08
Yeah, I call shenanigans, it's well known that Palin was illegally using her personal accounts for government business (so that there would be no records), and this guy found nothing? Not that most of the damning stuff involving oil lobbyists wouldn't have already been deleted, but there still should have been contact info, and other proof of how she was using to for government business.
There's just so much BS surrounding her, she's one giant smoke screen for McCain's horrible record and lack of public appeal, I just can't believe anything they say about her, I'm even starting to question if she really exists.
Oh, and I second the request to replace her pic with Tina Fey, her face is as obnoxious as a Disney movie.
Zombie_Belvedere
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 9:35 AM 19/9/08
@Glare: Exactly!
92BuickLeSabre
Hilo
Posted 10:23 AM 19/9/08
@Hilo: Just to be clear, I've followed the story, and it seems like it's gone from:
"Palin's Yahoo Email! Was she using this for government business?"
to
"Secret Email! Palin may have used this for secret government business to hide records!"
to
"Illegal Secret email! It's obvious Palin was illegally using this for undocumented activities!"
All on the same initial assumption, without any real hard evidence stating the case for it. But, please prove me wrong. Honestly.
Hilo
ceilingFANBOY
Posted 10:22 AM 19/9/08
@Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt: So I guess that anyone who does not have a locking mailbox or has anything with any kind of value in their front yard is an idiot, too? I'm not trying to defend Palin here, but having trust in other people doesn't make you an idiot. Optimistic? Naive? Maybe, but not an idiot. Perhaps Palin is an idiot given her status, but that doesn't make other people talked about in you comment an idiot. People leave bikes outside of the Wal-Mart by me all the time and they don't get stolen. Not everyone is a jackass.
ceilingFANBOY
yashichi8bit
Posted 10:22 AM 19/9/08
Interesting reading here...[cajunboy.tumblr.com]
Lotsa speculating, but all the shit about Trig made me put my tin foil hat on.
yashichi8bit
Hilo
Posted 10:18 AM 19/9/08
@Zombie_Belvedere: "it's well known that Palin was illegally using her personal accounts for government business (so that there would be no records)"
Ok, please, where's the source for this? I don't like the woman, but stop the FUD if you're just assuming things. (Though if you do have a source, I would be very interested).
Hilo
Slappy McSlapp
Posted 10:08 AM 19/9/08
"If someone leaves their bike outside unlocked while shopping on a busy street,
then they deserve to lose their bike.
Yes, the person who took it is a criminal.
AND the person who left it unlocked is an IDIOT.
Now imagine that the bike is actually state secrets."
When I grew up in the 70s, it was completely possible to leave your bike somewhere and expect it to NOT be stolen. Not a very small town either.
Slappy McSlapp
phoomp
Posted 10:03 AM 19/9/08
Pathetic. Pathetic that a governor's email was hijacked by a complete noob.
phoomp
geowrian
Posted 10:49 AM 19/9/08
@MichaelScrip: It's been confirmed by many reliable sources that she was using a yahoo email address to conduct government business. Also, the personal photos posted by this person were not previously available on any website that anybody knows about. I believe it's real, and that he is totally screwed. Why was she using yahoo email for business work in the first place? Best case: she's an idiot. Worst case: she wanted to get around governmental retention policies. Either way, I wouldn't want her entrusted with national secrets or possibly launch codes.
geowrian
aznplayer213
Posted 10:49 AM 19/9/08
lol the guy isn't smart at all. If he had any sense, he would have used a location like an internet cafe or an open network. Get a disposbale laptop, get pw, save all the emails, throw away laptop. just remember to dodge all the cameras lol!
aznplayer213
Hiphopopotamus
Posted 10:36 AM 19/9/08
Now, admitedly, we Giz-readers are probably a little more tech savvy than most - but isn't the fact she used Yahoo to conduct ANY sort of government communication a sign of poor decision making? I mean, I book concerts for a living and even our e-mails are jam packed with reminders that every word we write is confidential and never to be shared. It never once crossed anyone's mind that 'Hey, this probably isn't the best way to plan political strategy and legislation?'
Hiphopopotamus
ng12345
Posted 10:33 AM 19/9/08
the hacker posted screenshots with his url (using ctunnel) plainly visible -- how insanely stupid; hacking was stupid, but hacking stupidly is ...
ng12345
SSRPaulO
Posted 10:32 AM 19/9/08
Hilo: No source is really needed. It's the Internet, and emotional drool is the new Source Code.
It works like this... You start with an unprovable: "It's well known that..."
Then you select the target: "Zombie_Belvedere"
And lastly you make a wildly absurd statement: "...wants Jason to pants him."
Ok, Ok, so in the spirit of things, not so wildly absurd...
Hey this is easier than an intelligent conversation kids! You too can be a socially smear people you ideologically disagree with all from the anonymity of your computer!
Bah!
/sarcasm
SSRPaulO
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
Posted 10:30 AM 19/9/08
So uh, anybody check her yahoo profile?
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
MichaelScrip
Posted 10:27 AM 19/9/08
@ a few of you
Thanks. So, she was conducting business that she doesn't want to be subject to archival and possible review... but gov.palin@yahoo.com? That's a dead giveaway, and Yahoo isn't the most secure e-mail anyway... since it was hacked and exposed. Good job.
I hope America sees what bad judgment she has.
MichaelScrip
shenanigans61
Posted 11:07 AM 19/9/08
Wow. I hope this guy can sneak some lube into questioning, because methinks he's in for it...
shenanigans61
e-friend
Posted 10:58 AM 19/9/08
When you're a government employee holding office, isn't having a gov.yourname@whatever.com kind of a red flag that some sort of government business is being done through it? It doesn't matter that she might be trying to kill your first born or nuke the whales, it's the fact that she is avoiding being monitored when she and every other government official know full well that they should be transparent.
e-friend
badweasel
Posted 11:36 AM 19/9/08
Look.. she can have any email address she wants. She's both a private citizen and a government official. Two parts to her life that can each have an email address. If she was sharing family photos via her government email address there's people who would have a problem with that too. (Although I wouldn't because it's a common use. No different than using the office phone to tell your spouse to pick up chicken on the way home.)
From what I saw all she wasn't doing any real government work via that address. As far as I'm concerned, things like "hey we're praying for your situation" or even "we're praying for your situation as governor" are totally fine to do over a private email account. Maybe even better done in private since it has the word "pray" in it. It's not breaking any laws. Neither is deleting it.
Also stuff like, "hey we'll see you at that thing" or "you have my support for VP" are also fine to do over a private account because neither things necessarily have to do with actual business in her currently held office.
If it was "hey, you vote this way on that oil thing and I'll appoint to you whatever" maybe is more of a problem. But that didn't happen from what I could see.
And.. if it truly isn't government business then what's the problem deleting it? What was she supposed to do when a 'hacker' breaks into her account and publishes the contents? You gotta close it up. Not to destroy "evidence" but just to put an end to the harassment.
It's like, what government business are you talking about? WHAT evidence?
Sounds like total FUD to me.
badweasel
Alchemistmerlin
Posted 11:34 AM 19/9/08
Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha
That's fantastic.
So this is the woman you want 1 "BOO!" away from running the country? A woman who can't even figure out how to keep her own information safe, nevermind the governments?
My fellow Americans, ha ha ha.
@jagem: If she didn't expect anyone to hack her email then she's an idiot. The simple fact of the matter is that the internet is covered in people who want YOUR information so they can steal your identity. Yes she is entitled to her privacy, yes this is a crime, but the "victim" is still dumb as a stump for letting it happen to her so easily.
Go ahead, cry about how I'm a "horrible liberal" and a hypocrite, it doesn't change the facts.
Alchemistmerlin
jagem
Posted 11:21 AM 19/9/08
This is clearly an invasion of privacy and a violation of our constitutional rights. You liberal jerks should all be ashamed of yourself; always saying you need more privacy from the government. Look how hypocritical the people of your own kind are.
This is despicable. This is why none of you should be able to choose a president. You are always contradicting yourself and doing unethical things. Like trashing buildings outside the RNC. Posting another human being's, albeit VP candidate's, emails and contact list.
You are choosing a president who hasn't even condoned such acts.
Disgusting.
This man should be punished like everyone else who illegally invades privacy. Don't think about how stupid Sarah Palin is, think about what you would feel like if YOUR personal email was invaded and YOUR ENTIRE contact list was published on the web. I'd be beyond upset.
@MichaelScrip: I hope everyone sees how stupid YOU are.
@phoomp: she didn't expect anyone to invade her email. Do YOU expect anyone to hack your email? No. You expect to be treated the same as other human beings. She didn't expect that her email would be hacked. You're an idiot.
@altus: You are exactly right about privacy. I'm glad we have a straightforward person here.
jagem
robinandtami
Posted 11:59 AM 19/9/08
@ceilingFANBOY: Trusting people didn't make her an idiot.
The fact that she apparently wasn't even aware that someone as high profile as a state governor might be a prime target for such an attack, and then not taking even minimal steps to prevent it; makes her an idiot.
She answered the challenge question with the correct answer, and THEN announces the answer to her challenge question on live television for millions of viewers. She all but held up a home made cardboard sign saying "hack me." That makes her an idiot.
Now... maybe your grandma that just got e-mail last week might not realize that you shouldn't choose security questions and answers that could be gleamed by a simple public records search; but a state governor, who should constantly have security on her mind, should have known better.
It's not rocket science. If you must answer those security questions, you just pick a totally absurd word or even just plain gobbledygook, and always use that same word for an answer. That way you never forget the word and a hacker can't figure it out.
robinandtami
Dearhaw
Posted 11:56 AM 19/9/08
@jagem:
Are you suggesting that the Obama camp and Obama supporters are somehow responsible for a group of crazy kiddy vigilantes? In that case, I guess people on the right are responsible for the deeds of all the white supremacists, huh?
Dearhaw
zmjjmz
Posted 11:52 AM 19/9/08
@jagem:
Liberals are the hypocrites?
Really?
The McCain camp, who, last time I checked, supported FISA, is now in tears because someone's e-mail password was guessed.
These are the same people who support listening to private conversations to analyze for criminal activity.
Sound familiar?
The "hacker" got in because he wanted to see if Palin was conducting government business through her Yahoo! account, which would be illegal.
zmjjmz
TheLostVikings
Posted 11:46 AM 19/9/08
@Jagem: If she actually used her government provided email like she was supposed to, EVERYTHING in it would have been available to the public.
If she used this email for state business not only should every thing be available to the public, she is required by LAW to do so... and she didn't.
Sure, hacking someones email is a detestable thing to do, and I'm not saying I approve or anything, but using YAHOO for government business isn't the wisest move ever to put it mildly.
TheLostVikings
ceilingFANBOY
Posted 11:44 AM 19/9/08
@badweasel: I'm pretty sure that it is actually a different e-mail account that is under investigation for being used for government business, not this one. If the other e-mail account was being used for government business, this hacking scandal only shows why there are laws prohibiting government business being done on public e-mail servers.
ceilingFANBOY
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
Posted 11:42 AM 19/9/08
@jagem: Republican Kool-Aid Much?
"This is clearly an invasion of privacy and a violation of our constitutional rights"
You gave those up with the "Patriot Act", but I guess since we are hunting for Bigfoot El Shaddai Bin Jesus, that invasion of privacy is just A-OK. What if she was a known terrorist, or on the dreaded [dun dun dunnnnnn] TERROR WATCH LIST!!! (sponsored by GIECO). Then the hack would be ok for the sake of National Security right?.. yeah I thought so. Go sit down with you double sided talk.... You tell Bush that when he stops illegal wiretaps, thats when we stop hacking corrupt state officials, and actually exposing them for the fraud they are...
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves. Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows. Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
--Cordfuious
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
ceilingFANBOY
Posted 12:26 PM 19/9/08
@robinandtami: You must not have read my entire comment.
"Perhaps Palin is an idiot given her status,"
I am well aware of the difference between a state governor and the average person leaving their e-mail so exposed.
ceilingFANBOY
dinsey
Posted 12:23 PM 19/9/08
The hacker has been exposed as the 20 year old son of a Democratic state senator. The FBI has already been in touch. He IMPERSONATED a private citizen in order to get access to personal information. A felony. He may have guessed her passwords while fraudulently pretending to be her online, but the question remains as to how he got her email address in the first place. Could it have come from Daddy? Hmmm.
And his motives were hardly noble. He was looking for dirt, and got disappointed when he didn't find any. He didn't find any government business being conducted either, not that it was within his rights to hack her private info to look for it. You may suspect that your neighbor is doing something illegal, but if you start peeking in their windows at night, guess who's going to be getting arrested.
The fault lies with the Secret Service. They should have locked down all of her on-line accounts after she was nominated. But it looks like they underestimated the level the Dems would go to try to ruin and embarrass her. They should be ashamed.
dinsey
fastm3driver
Posted 12:18 PM 19/9/08
2004 all over. I'm not a Dem or a Rep but far left scares the hell out of me and pushes me to the right.
[www.jsonline.com]
[www.votelaw.com]
fastm3driver
fastm3driver
Posted 12:14 PM 19/9/08
It's looking like the Dem's again. I'm not sure who will owe me the $20.
fastm3driver
Hardcore1
Posted 12:48 PM 19/9/08
He better hope Palin drills for more oil, cause he's gonna need all the petroleum jelly he can get his hands on.
Hardcore1
peepingdan
Posted 12:47 PM 19/9/08
@jagem: I like your jump from those damn liberals to "this man". Why don't you just put all of the liberals in jail, since we're just too violent and stupid to help decide who runs out country?
peepingdan
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
Posted 12:37 PM 19/9/08
@dinsey: before I go there.... are you serious?
Have any of you "defenders" actually READ AND COMPREHENDED the Patriot ACT and FISA.
It is thick up in here
--Cordfucious
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
Posted 1:14 PM 19/9/08
@AmbroseP: well said
Cordfucious v 2.0.1
AmbroseP
Posted 1:02 PM 19/9/08
Anyone who drops the words "liberal" or "conservative" are just screaming they know everything about nothing. Look at the media.
AmbroseP
MudmanDude
Posted 12:59 PM 19/9/08
Anybody hacked into VP.Palin@yahoo.com?
MudmanDude
coolkiwilivin
Posted 12:59 PM 19/9/08
As People have said. there is nothing to see here. This is just one more attempt by the very bitter and angry left to destroy. So much for Hope for Change. Yeah Palin shouldn't have used Yahoo but at least she's not a race baiting hate monger like her opponent. As a minority, I'm absolutely disgusted by Obama's actions. I grew up in a strongly democratic home and I see what liar and airhead Obama is. Seriously, white people you don't have to vote for him b/c of your liberal white guilt. As a minority I release you from that bondage.
coolkiwilivin
Dearhaw
Posted 12:53 PM 19/9/08
@fastm3driver:
Compared to the far right like the KKK and neo-Nazis? Seriously? You're using the far left as the reason you'd go right?
Dearhaw
serpicolugnut
Posted 1:23 PM 19/9/08
And to the morons stating that she was using personal email to discuss state issues... Funny, the moron who hacked her looking for that very same thing found - NOTHING!
And, it really makes little difference if she was using a personal email acct for state business. That wouldn't negate the crime the moron committed when they hacked her acct.
Federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison.
serpicolugnut
serpicolugnut
Posted 1:17 PM 19/9/08
Ah, it is a **hack** - just because they posed as someone else doesn't make it any less of a hack.
Oh, and the dude/dudette who did this is gonna get caught. And then he/she is going to federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison.
Look at that Philly newscaster who broke in to his co-workers email and how much time he got.
Yep. Federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison.
And I'll be laughing at the sentencing hearing.
Punk.
serpicolugnut
joelja
Posted 1:56 PM 19/9/08
Uh... everything you read on 4chan is a lie... except the things that aren't...
A seemingly factual recount of a set of events could trivially have been ginned up by someone other than the perp. would someone do this for lulz? hell yeah.
Unverified 3rd party anecdote from 4chan treated as factual by credible journalists? no thanks.
The news coverage of this event is infected with fail. Sorry, pool is closed.
joelja
martin0641
Posted 1:53 PM 19/9/08
The fact that it was easy should do two things. First, people need to rid themselves of the idea that public records should be used for identification. I've never understood this, and it's comfounded by companies who constantly tell me that my password is to long or contains "invalid" characters.
Next is that only an idiot would run state business through a Yahoo account. If I knew I was going to be chosen for a high-profile public office like that, I would scrub my on-line identities BEFORE making the announcement. One would imagine that a federal state Gov would have an RSA token to get to some secure systems.
The ineptitude of republicans in general never ceases to amaze me, all they seem to be good at is scaring fundamentalists into voting for them by screaming liberal-left over and over again. The small fraction of fiscally responsible conservatives is not enough to make up for the damage the rest of them does.
martin0641
SSRPaulO
Posted 1:51 PM 19/9/08
And this is the main reason why Giz should stick to Gadgets, and not politics.
Apple fanboy = Zune fanboy
Liberal nutjob = Overzealous Religous Right
Now would you guys and gals at Giz drop this? I have to deal with politics and the mental masturbation that is picking sides based on labels all day, and I really don't find it appropriate here. I have read your articles on Senators McCain, and Obama [organized alphabetically]; as well as Gov Palin, nothing thus far on Senator Biden, but I imagine it is only a matter of time and I am sick of it already.
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So, let's look at this from a Gizmo perspective…..
As far as I can tell, McCain and Palin are evil because:
They are ostensibly in the pocket of the oil industry which happens to produce the number one ingredient of almost everything posted on this site.
They are ostensibly in the pocket of Corporate America, beholden to them for their jobs. You know, the same Corporate America people that Giz is in the pocket of so they can pay for all this, and indeed the self same companies that send them their toys. So if it is a bad thing for them to be on the corporate tit, then it's just a bad thing for everyone on the tit, right? Didn't think so.
While:
Senator Obama talks about raising taxes on businesses, right? You do understand that the increase in costs will trickle down to that MP3 player, camera, or USB humping dog; and that means to you.
Gov. Palin is an idiot for doing business on a Yahoo account. So is everyone else that does too huh? And as for document retention, have you ever heard of a subpoena? I bet Yahoo archives user's mail.
Perspective
How about tax evasion? Questionable land deals? Blatant racist comments? Allegations of plagiarism? How about association with a known terrorist, or ties to leaders of the Socialist party? Not voting in 82 of the 101 pieces of legislation this far this year? Is any of that as bad as using Yahoo? Right. Thought not.
Here's an idea…. How about all 4 of them doing the jobs they are being paid to do for up to the last 2 years of campaigning, instead of running for another job?
How about not discussing politics on a Tech board?
How about I go and have a beer instead of wasting more time here.
SSRPaulO
gwolf
Posted 1:40 PM 19/9/08
TO hell with her privacy. They don't respect yours, why agonize over when they lose theirs?
gwolf
redkamel
Posted 2:53 PM 19/9/08
damn I dont know how to use HTML and all of what I was replying too got deleted. Boy, is my face red.
redkamel
redkamel
Posted 2:53 PM 19/9/08
@SSRPaulO:
I believe I shall have the honor of being the first to prove how fallacious your arguments are...
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They are ostensibly in the pocket of the oil industry which happens to produce the number one ingredient of almost everything posted on this site.>>
What is your point? I feel the dullest edge of one, but Giz makes no decisions impacting the lives of US citizens.
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No. It is a bad thing for people whose interest is the public welfare to be on the corporate tit. Its ok for gadget reviewers or cubicle-man to get swag. Not the guy who makes tax laws and picks if my best friend goes to Iraq.
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Just like all those savings big companies made during Bush's admin trickled down? I didnt see any. Or how the cost for bailouts market trickled down to taxpayer? I did see those!
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Yes, actually, you are an idiot if you use a yahoo or gmail for sensitive, protected documents like government docs or even medical records, peoples tax information and SS#s etc. Especially if you are a target for hacking AND your password question answer is public knowledge. You want the chance of a VP/Pres travel schedule on a yahoo account?
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Please do not distract from the matter at hand. I wont list McCain and Co's mistakes, since he is now beholden to the Republicans in exchange for Rove's machine and I consider them the same, but I trust the majority of our readers know who is blowing smoke and who is trying to get elected.
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I didnt understand this, it made no sense grammatically. Did you mean "how about all 4 them doing their jobs instead of campaigning for new jobs?"
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I'll discuss politics wherever others discuss politics.
redkamel
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
Posted 3:12 PM 19/9/08
@jagem: As a very non liberal security centered person I must say... yeah, that was a slip up on her part. I mean... it was 4chan that got her. Not to put 4chan down, it did start as an elite force but with its mass popularity it really has stooped... as proven by our 'hacker'.
I'm hoping that account is just old and the government techies would prevent that from happening again. Also, I really didn't see anything detrimental to nation security, just personal mail. ::shrug::
shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog
CrashingOut
Posted 3:48 PM 19/9/08
@jagem: right because I trash RNC buildings AND think she's a tool. "you liberal jerks"? Your crazy we're just a bunch of techies remarking that even A TECHNOLOGICALLY INEPT PERSON WOULD HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF SECURITY. Don't even get me started on the fact that the bullshit flying out of your mouth, is just that, bullshit. Because if Palin needs an email address that isn't privy to government jurisdiction with a public figure in mind, thats poor government and thats why there are laws preventing this. This woman is secretive, and that in government is incredibly dangerous. Government should be afraid of their people, and their people should be able to see what these figures are doing to the USA. Public accountability for such a critical person should be enforced than dick Dick Cheney that guy is SNEAKY!! And he'll shoot you if you surprise him...ask that lawyer
CrashingOut
artvanderbilt
Posted 4:19 PM 19/9/08
Sounds like someone's going to a pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison.
artvanderbilt
knappoleon
Posted 5:14 PM 19/9/08
jagem: Youre a "horrible liberal" and a hypocrite.
I'll say it.
Owning and using a personal email address is NOT a crime.
You only wish you had evidence it had some official capacity.
knappoleon
Markii
Posted 8:00 PM 19/9/08
..and thanks for another horrifyingly hot picture of Mrs. Palin.
It's something that, as much as I cant bear the republican drivel I cant ignore: Sarah Palin is hot. So hot in fact that it drives me to distr='action... <-just look at that typo - completely lost control of my fingers there!
She has that whole hot-librarian-sexual-animal-buttoned-down-under-a-pinstripe-suit-or-pencil-dress-just-dying-to-burst-out thing going on and frankly its become too much. I have always been a fan of the older woman and now there are picture of her everywhere... doing and things she should be spanked for.
Its not just me ...is it?
Markii
Dooosh
Posted 9:04 PM 19/9/08
yahoo email is incredably easy to hack...
Dooosh
Saboth
Posted 11:30 PM 19/9/08
So she is supposed to be tough on reform and national security (the Republican's 2 running points outside of "family values), yet any joe can guess her lax security measures easily....
Saboth
MichaelScrip
Posted 1:44 AM 20/9/08
@jagem:> "I hope everyone sees how stupid YOU are."
Why am I stupid? IF I was a government official, I'd have the most secure password EVER. And IF I was gonna have another email account for doing "private" business... it would not be on Yahoo, a service that's incredibly easy to hack, that offers questions to guess to get into the account. She could have bought her own domain and had email through that. Yahoo? Really?
It's fine for Sarah Palin to have a personal Yahoo address such as sarahp1964@yahoo.com. But using gov.palin@yahoo.com and gov.sarah@yahoo.com is ridiculous. And anyone sending sensitive data to those addresses is a fool too.
Yes, it's wrong to hack into anyone's email account. But, most hackers do it to exploit weaknesses in the system. Remember when Paris Hilton's cell phone was hacked and her photos and emails were sent all over the web? She's an idiot, and will never be a threat to national security.
But, Sarah Palin is a government official using a free e-mail service for government business.
I wouldn't have a problem if hockeymom1964@yahoo.com was hacked. But she used her government office as the account name on Yahoo. That's poor judgment in my opinion. And this woman could be Vice President or (gasp) President one day!
MichaelScrip
GadgetPlay
Posted 12:39 AM 20/9/08
@coolkiwilivin: "Seriously, white people you don't have to vote for him b/c of your liberal white guilt. As a minority I release you from that bondage."
Thank you! I hope these kids take you seriously. They've got it bad.
@Dearhaw: "Compared to the far right like the KKK and neo-Nazis?"
Neither is "right" at all, let alone "far right." Anything bad is labeled "right" by the "left."
@peepingdan: "just put all of the liberals in jail, since we're just too violent and stupid to help decide who runs out country?"
You're not ALL violent.
@dinsey: "The hacker has been exposed as the 20 year old son of a Democratic state senator."
No surprises there. Except to the 95% Democratic population at the Giz.
@Dearhaw: "people on the right are responsible for the deeds of all the white supremacists"
Except that the only connection between the two is in your mind. Somewhat lonely, I'm guessing.
@TheLostVikings: "using YAHOO for government business isn't the wisest move"
Good thing she didn't do that.
@geowrian: "It's been confirmed by many reliable sources that she was using a yahoo email address to conduct government business."
Reliable sources such as "Mother Jones" and "The Daily Kos," no doubt.
"Why was she using yahoo email for business work in the first place?"
She wasn't.
@Hiphopopotamus: "It never once crossed anyone's mind that 'Hey, this probably isn't the best way to plan political strategy and legislation?"
It did and they didn't.
@Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt: "Now imagine that the bike is actually state secrets."
That's exactly what they're doing. Imagining.
@Zombie_Belvedere: "I'm even starting to question if she really exists."
Perhaps her 12-16 years in the White House will convince you.
@92BuickLeSabre: "Can we make her go away now?"
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
@smartboydan hates college: "which is destruction of evidence."
Evidence of what? And are you sure it wasn't the Secret Service that closed the account?
GadgetPlay
SeattleTed
Posted 2:43 AM 20/9/08
@fastm3driver: The far right is the klan and the codified message of conservatives is "state rights" is a tip of the hat to them.
SeattleTed
closhedbb
Posted 2:23 AM 20/9/08
She didn't close the account. When that guy posted her password online, hundreds of people tried to log on from different locations within a very short amount of time. The programmers at Yahoo are not stupid, and if an account gets logged into simultaneously by numerous people from varying locations, it's obvious that account needs to be closed for security reasons. So they closed it. Yahoo closed the account.
closhedbb
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Posted 3:03 AM 20/9/08
@SSRPaulO: Jeez...
Listen to AM radio much?
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Posted 3:00 AM 20/9/08
@coolkiwilivin: Wow!
What power!
What authority!
Thank you ever so much for your pardon your highness.
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Posted 2:56 AM 20/9/08
@dinsey: When generalizing you should try to use the term "You people".
It makes you sound more superior.
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Posted 3:51 AM 20/9/08
@ceilingFANBOY:
Perhaps I was being a bit melodramatic calling naive people idiots.
Perhaps I was generalizing.
I accept the responsibility for that and apologize to the optimistic, naive folks that I may have offended.
Leaving your bike unlocked does not make you an idiot, just irresponsible.
Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
Lupison
Posted 4:15 AM 20/9/08
He shoudl put a banana in his internet pipes.
Lupison
GadgetPlay
Posted 5:03 AM 20/9/08
@MichaelScrip: "But, Sarah Palin is a government official using a free e-mail service for government business."
No she's not.
@closhedbb: "Yahoo closed the account."
Thank you.
@SeattleTed: "The far right is the klan"
No it's not. We've been over that. Catch up.
GadgetPlay
Ubik2501
Posted 4:41 AM 20/9/08
@Illrigger: Seriously. This can be an entertaining exercise in surrealism for those so inclined.
Question: Where did you and your spouse first meet?
Answer: FRENCH TOAST BOLOGNESE
Question: What is your mother's maiden name?
Answer: TIJUANA JONES
Question: What was your first pet's name?
Answer: BEN FRANKLIN GLORYHOLE
Ubik2501
Ubik2501
Posted 6:01 AM 20/9/08
On the actual subject topic: Invasion of privacy is invasion of privacy, no matter who does it to whom. This guy should be punished for the applicable crime.
But it's hilarious to see people a) associating this individual with the entire Democratic party and left-leaning portion of the country, and b) using it as a segue to make cheap shots at Obama and other individuals in the Democratic party. And of course, there's that nutjob jagem saying that liberals as a whole shouldn't be allowed to vote because a few people did unethical things.
Just like the Republican party is not uniformly evil and malicious (despite what some of the more boneheaded commenters here might imply), neither is the Democratic party. People, wise the hell up: We don't live in Middle Earth. Good and evil are not clearly demarcated along party lines. Every organization, party and ideology is comprised of individuals whose ethics, morals, etc. will always vary. Both parties have done some good things, both parties have some grievous faults. Stop drinking your respective Kool-Aids.
And implying that the democratic process should be suspended to silence the voices of People You Just Don't Like, no matter how hyperbolic you're being, is disgusting and unethical to the highest degree. How you can criticize others while fostering this perspective is a paradox that's beyond me.
Ubik2501
Dearhaw
Posted 7:15 AM 20/9/08
@GadgetPlay:
And apparently everything bad is labeled "left" by the "right". My point being both is idiotic.
Of course, to shills and cuckoos like you, everything bad IS the left, including the script kiddies.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
In 12-16 years. 12-16 years.
Yeah, repeat it a million times and it'll come true :p
Dearhaw
SSRPaulO
Posted 8:13 AM 20/9/08
redkamel
I believe I shall have the honor of being the first to prove how fallacious your arguments are...
>What is your point? I feel the dullest edge of one, but Giz makes no decisions impacting the lives of US citizens.
Now that's just mean. I tend to think they are insightful and linked directly to the pulse of the people. Seriously, read through the posts and you will see little more than knee-jerk name calling
>No. It is a bad thing for people whose interest is the public welfare to be on the corporate tit. Its ok for gadget reviewers or cubicle-man to get swag. Not the guy who makes tax laws and picks if my best friend goes to Iraq.
I agree that acts of corruption [be it in the public or private sectors] are wrong and unconscionable. Where I have the difficulty is in accepting the supposition that simply because she is a "conservative Republican" she is ergo in the pocket of the oil companies. It is as spurious as stating that because someone is a "liberal Democrat" they are Stalinistic socialists. You have to look at the person, not the label. Her voting record has been to reduce government spending on nonsensical projects, and increase children at risk programs. Sen. McCain has not had nearly the record in reducing government growth, but is well ahead of Sen. Obama and Sen. Joe Biden who are rated as #1 and 2 for supporting the policies that have contributed to the US government now being responsible for one in every five dollars spent.
As to Iraq, I have been there [in tan], as have many of my friends. Congress says go, and we went. Since their role is to spend money, and pass laws [including tax law], personally I tend to think that a "do nothing Congress" is a good thing, but that's me.
>Just like all those savings big companies made during Bush's admin trickled down? I didn't see any. Or how the cost for bailouts market trickled down to taxpayer? I did see those!
I don't know about you, but I have a job; supplied by my friendly neighborhood business. See here is the thing... No company is going to go over seas unless there is a benefit to them. Labor costs, taxation, regulation, etc… If you raise the costs of doing business, only one of 2 things happen; the product costs more, or the company cuts costs [jobs, quality, relocates etc…]. That's it. If they don't they go under. As to not seeing savings, that's trying to prove a negative. Look at it like this… If the costs of fuel has gone up making the cost of materials go up, and the costs of shipping go up, what do you think will happen to the costs of their goods if total operating costs for a given company go up %10-23?
>Yes, actually, you are an idiot if you use a yahoo or gmail for sensitive, protected documents like government docs or even medical records, peoples tax information and SS#s etc. Especially if you are a target for hacking AND your password question answer is public knowledge. You want the chance of a VP/Pres travel schedule on a yahoo account?
While I agree with the basic sentiment, I have not seen anything on the net that establishes that she was using it for sensitive protected communications. I have seen allegations, supposition, and hearsay, but nothing from ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, FOX, or the general noise of the internet that says, "See… here it is! Here are the emails that she sent and received that contained the Alaska budget, state secrets, and right here, the plan to relocate Area 51, and massacre caribou." If you have seen legitimate proof of illegal activity, send me the link[s], please. Until then… she's with 274 million other Yahoo users, 28 million AOL users, et al.
>Please do not distract from the matter at hand. I wont list McCain and Co's mistakes, since he is now beholden to the Republicans in exchange for Rove's machine and I consider them the same, but I trust the majority of our readers know who is blowing smoke and who is trying to get elected.
The matter at hand is that those email addresses were hacked [they were]. Was it smart to have your PW so easily broken [it isn't]? Was it illegal to have the addresses [no, not that I can tell so far] or to break into them [yup]. The distractions are: was she using it illegally, is she tied to the oil companies, is she the mother of Trig, "liberal" and "neocon" name calling, how anal retentive the young man is likely to be in the near future, and the "Rove's machine" conspiracy stuff.
>I didnt understand this, it made no sense grammatically. Did you mean "how about all 4 them doing their jobs instead of campaigning for new jobs?"
Sorry, the beer was catching up with me. But yes, in a nut shell, they have been paid to do a job, and since this circus began some two years ago, they have been at best negligent of those responsibilities.
>I'll discuss politics wherever others discuss politics.
I just wish it didn't have to be here.
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Rev. Eaton Yorke Hunt
And NPR, and non US news sources, and read.
>"Now imagine that the bike is actually state secrets."
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
SSRPaulO
GadgetPlay
Posted 7:26 PM 20/9/08
@Dearhaw: "And apparently everything bad is labeled "left" by the "right".
Name one. You may be right.
"My point being both is [sic] idiotic."
One is idiotic, and one is true.
@Ubik2501: "Good and evil are not clearly demarcated along party lines."
Damn near.
@Dearhaw: "Yeah, repeat it a million times and it'll come true"
No need to repeat. It's already coming true.
GadgetPlay
Ubik2501
Posted 5:20 AM 23/9/08
@GadgetPlay: Only a person with no grasp of how the real world works would paint it in such black-and-white terms. Come back when you have any kind of substantial, logical and non-inflammatory argument, since your content-lacking replies aren't going to convince anybody to switch "sides."
The Democratic and Republican parties both have individuals who've committed grievous wrongs - how about we hold the entirety of them accountable, instead of saying, "FOUR LEGS GOOD! TWO LEGS BAD!" Only then can we truly build a stronger America.
Ubik2501