@mrweatherbee: What does that say about the people clapping? Willfully ignorant. I'm getting fed up. Why can't scientists gene splice the best parts of Ron Paul and Obama together?

johnnyabnormal

its nice to see the people posting in politics sections on here are smart unlike the pool of stupid that is digg now-a-days

lodleader

@snoop-blog: Yes, but asking him to learn how to use an i-phone or be smooth on the Internet is like asking me to learn how to crochet. I'm not an idiot because I didn't learn it, it would make no difference in my life.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@OMG! Apple Stinks!:
Great....now my eyes are bleeding. Happy now?

Darkest Daze

"This ad will get all the connected Obama supporters excited, but I can't imagine that a single undecided Hispanic minimum wage worker or 54 year old woman is going to give a crap about whether McCain can use a computer, which they either can't afford or find too confusing themselves."

That couldnt be more correct :)

broker

@WTF?! Ponies!: It's ok though....I heard she'll be interviewed by Hannity next. I'm sure he'll cream his trousers on camera.

johnnyabnormal

@mrweatherbee: Well, the lawyers also know how to use email and have a basic grasp of some technology, so they're actually in a better spot than McCain, cuz they're not 100% dependent on other people to do their web communications. I just like to amuse myself with the furrowed brows and twitching of mustaches over the confusing hodgepodge of beige Xerox monsters. :P

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

The fact people even try to justify McCains stupidity/lazyness just blows me away.

Is it just me, or are the only people with a brain that are supporting McCain are the ones who make 250k or more per year.

snoop-blog

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: That doesn't excuse that she reacted like a moose caught in the headlights.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: I didn't say the candidates weren't dumb, I meant the people running their campaigns aren't dumb in the one area that matters, winning popular opinion. Karl Rove may be evil to his core, but he and his underlings know how to lie straightfaced to the public, and make people believe it. Look at how much the media is tearing apart Palin's comments around the Bridge to Nowhere, but she still gets a standing ovation everytime she says "I said thanks, but no thanks."

mrweatherbee

"I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?"

- Ted Stevens (R)

johnnyabnormal

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: that's not the point. The point is that an e-mail system is not hard to master. Sounds like to me McCain couldn't even pass my intro to micro class that I'm taking at my local community college. If you can't figure out an email, your either dumb or lazy, so which is it? either one of those traits are bad for the American people. Not too mention it sets a bad example for the kids.

And you have no clue about the topics/subjects that are e-mailed, so you have no valued opinion on the topic. Your comment is no better than a guess, or speculation.

snoop-blog

Clowns...politics are a joke.

RE-L

That is a great ad. I'm still voting for McCain (well, really for Palin because I expect McCain to break a hip and have her take over) because computer use is not an indication of presidential aptitude.

Jimmy Carter was our most technically-smart president (he was a nuclear sub captain) and he became America's worst president ever.

Gessho

@johnnyabnormal: In her defense, Charlie Gibson misdefined the Bush Doctrine. No one disagrees that the US has a right to use a pre-emptive strike against a definite proven imminent threat.

The Bush Doctrine stands for the proposition that the US may use pre-emptive strikes against potential speculative threats.

Gibson screwed up, not Palin.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: What backfires about this argument is that they don't need to, much like McCain doesn't need to know how to use email. I don't see him poring over the national intelligence estimate on an iPhone after checking out the latest tweets from James Baker. Just like all the presidents before him, he will have the information he needs delivered by people, who will jump at the chance to deliver that information in person. Presumably, the lawyers you work for have people like you to take care of the mundane work such as copying, converting to PDF, etc., while they do the "important" work of trying cases. I'm not maligning what you do, I'm just emphasizing the point that people pick a lawyer based on how well they litigate, not how well their administrative staff scans documents. You probably kick ass at your job and make the lawyers look good, but the firm's clients will never know who you are, they will just see the lawyers who look good. And that's how people will see this ad... they care about how the president governs, not about the technical savvy of his administrative staff that support the people who support his cabinet. For the record, I don't like McCain, but his campaign staff knows what to say (regardless of whether it's true or not) to the voters who will ultimately determine the election. The Democrats don't. This ad will get all the connected Obama supporters excited, but I can't imagine that a single undecided Hispanic minimum wage worker or 54 year old woman is going to give a crap about whether McCain can use a computer, which they either can't afford or find too confusing themselves.

mrweatherbee

@OMG! Apple Stinks!:

Oh god, it's true...

To "quote" (butcher) the bard:

..and if 1337 speak be the food of the electorate, We're FCUKd, yo....

CommodorePerry

This one's a bit underhanded, but certainly not as underhanded as that one McCain ad taking an Obama clip out of context to make him look like a sexist. The one where he says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." after Palin says "You know the difference is between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Lipstick." That's lame, McCain Campaign. Just lame.

Anyway being tech-savvy or at least proficient is a necessity by today's standards. More things to add to the McCain con list and the Obama pro list.

ViewtifulJason

@DustyButt:

Hi-five!

Turbostraw

To be fair, we still live in a time where people think that fax machines are still good technology.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

@m4ximusprim3: Net neutrality? Eh, it's not something the masses care about. Here, on Gizmodo, heck yeah it's a big deal because we're tech people but most of the country doesn't know what net neutrality is, heck they don't even understand the end of analog broadcasts.

The real tech concerns of this country are energy. That's where this ad should really head. If McCain doesn't care to know how simple things like email works how can he help to grow and cultivate tech that would eliminate dependence on foreign oil?

Late_Night

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: Wouldn't it be ironic if those missing White House emails were "found" via NSA in the near future?

johnnyabnormal

@snoop-blog: Umm, most of what the president needs to know certainly won't be emailed to him... I mean, National Security? I find the ability to run a country a lot more important than somebody's ability to be hip and cool, at least for the President.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

I have a prediction. Election coverage, drama, distraction, etc. will make everyone's head implode before they can vote in November. Bush (who is oblivious and immune from this) will be left in office for a 3rd term.

johnnyabnormal

@mrweatherbee: "You can make a long list of negative traits to stick on the Republican campaigners, but you can't call them dumb"

Uh....

"In what respect, Charlie?"

+ Watch video

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Deleting emails is worthless. Don't commit it to email or anything else that passes through a server.

Otherwise, when the time comes, an army of lawyers will find it.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@snoop-blog: One written in properly spelled and punctuated English with correct grammar and a clearly defined point.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

Palin knows how to send and receive emails, just from the wrong account:
[www.latimes.com]
[www.washingtonpost.com]
[www.deathbyemail.com]
I guess she hasn't learned the White House method yet: DELETE ALL EMAILS!! BRING IN THE PAPER SHREDDER!!

johnnyabnormal

@Razta: The lawyers I work for don't know how to scan a document into a PDF. They don't understand that the copy machine does not operate as a copier when it's connected to the PC to make scans, and they have no idea how the neopost mail machine works, and they've been working in this place with these gizmos since the day I was born! lol

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

While this is pretty sad (even for a political ad), it does raise the vaild point that an increasing amount of the issues confronting our country are technological in nature (net neutrality, etc.).

I'm not sure someone who doesn't use email would be all that understanding of these types of issues, espescially when plied by big money lobbyists from the telco's.

m4ximusprim3

NO NO NO!!! Not politics!

hagrun

Excuse me for expecting the President of the United States to be able to open and reply to an e-mail.

Once again, what kind of message does that send to the children?

snoop-blog

Um...go Hillary.

kaffeen

As long as we're talking politics, is it just me, or is Palin living proof that the "OMG! Boobs!" effect works just as well on mainstream America as it does among us geeks? She's said little of any substance, and yet become an instant media sensation...

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

@The Lab: It's terrifying how much L337/Krakberry/Sidekick looks like disemvowelment. Aren't you proud of the voice of the electorate?

OMG! Apple Stinks!

This is another example of the Democrat's moronic campaign strategy. This one preaches to the choir, clearly Obama supporters are well connected and Internet savvy. Leading with comments around McCain's inability to use email is going to backfire on the Obama campaign, which needs to be pulling in some swing voters and undecideds. All those older women voters they could have courted with Hillary are going to perceive this as elitist, intellectual, young (euphemistic for inexperienced) and ironically "out of touch".

You can make a long list of negative traits to stick on the Republican campaigners, but you can't call them dumb. They know how to win elections, and it is increasingly looking like they will win this one too. The Democrat "attack dogs" are focusing their offensive on McCain's lack of computer savvy? It's like the nerd in high school picking apart the dumb quarterback's lack of computing skills... the nerd may be right, but you can bet he's not going to be the one getting laid on prom night.

mrweatherbee

He doesn't need to know how to send an email. He's got Sarah Palin and dozen interns willing to do it for him. Doesn't mean he doesn't know it exists, or how important the internet is.

Razta

Not diggin' McCain.

I could, however, get behind Sarah Palin.

What?

DustyButt

McCain can't play Mozart backwards! Story at 11. Uba Acka Racka Bama Mama

heroineworshipper

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: hooz th old dood w her? is tht her granpa? he looks liek a cvl war vet or sumthin. i dunno.

if osama wuz th pres an sara was vp that wd b kewl cuz hez hot an totly can rawk the rolld-up sleefs. plus, u kno thy can play 1-on-1. hes got the 3pt shot but she wud blok him out of box an throw elbos an stuf.

BARAK OSAMA/SARA PALN 2k8 4 PREZ

OMG! Apple Stinks!

These campaign ads are getting pretty low/lame.

Seinosuke

Why not just hold up a picture and say "He's old! He's just too old! Look how old he is! You can't make him President, he's just too old!"

(anyone getting the Happy Gilmore reference, anyone?)

Late_Night

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: actually right now at the current she's just a gilf.

snoop-blog

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: Dd you just self-disemvowel? That's like literary seppuku!

The Lab

I'm sorry but if you can't bother yourself to learn how to use an e-mail account, than your just really retarded, or lazy, and in either case, not getting my vote.

Not the best example for todays youth. It's apparent, he could give a shit less about education.

snoop-blog

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: ya dud sheza VPILF.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

I'm just waiting for someone to say something like "Bush is the Zune of presidents" and merge the Obama v McCain fanbois with the M$ v Apple fanbois.

The Lab

OMG! did u c wut sarah plin wuz wearin? wen wll she get a nu du?! stll cnt bleve tht shs vp materil. she so looks liek tina fay. wll amy poler be sec of state cuz thtll b kewl.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

If you put him at a computer he could figure out how to get to porn in under 10 minutes. It's in every man's genes.

rjp

I think it's hilarious how not being able to send an email is on par with not understanding the economy.

jerkyjones

"McCain does not know how to make a .pdf, and he's even been quoted on saying that 'I always though that 1080i was a type of BMW!'. Do you want THAT, in the White House?"

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

If he can't use email, they can't be used in court.....

taylors_dad

@johnnyabnormal: Wouldn't you just get a black Ron Paul?

Rabid Penguin

Seriously, Obama, you have millions of dollars raised from fundraising and this is the best your crack team of political strategists can come up with?!? LAME!

venomous_duck41

@ViewtifulJason: Lipstick on a pig? Jeezus, man, that was nearly 48 hours ago. We've moved on. There are new, even more inane issues to talk about. Get with the program!!

yelraf

Dude probably still uses Prodigy.

JackHoliday

@yelraf: That's what this nation has come to, even thug rappers are getting involved.

No seriously, I'm a snoop fan. I don't see why that means I can't be for education, or the children? It's not like I put headphones on my children and make them listen to the chronic.

snoop-blog

@snoop-blog: Yet you feel a 45 year old former nobody is fit to be president?

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@snoop-blog: My mother is 67 years old, she's been a school teacher her entire life, she can barely turn on the computer, doesn't mean she is stupid. With that said, I think you are making much more out of it than what was said, I'm sure he can get farther than you think, just insecure about it.

If you don't want people arguing with you, why bother making what I consider lame statements in the first place, especially when they do call for a counter argument.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

It's not just e-mail, he can't use any computer! How can he make an informed decision on any tech issue if Cindy and Sarah have to explain it to him?

Yahoo News: Mac or PC?

John McCain: "Neither. I'm, I am a a illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance I can get"

See video interview @ min -1:16
[video.yahoo.com]

nocar

@snoop-blog: um...excuse me, Mr. Snoop-blog...but do you see the irony in someone using a criminal, gangster rapper as his avi and handle talking about what the children will think? I'm just askin'.

yelraf

It's funny how Republicans use that whole no experience line, despite them having Gov. Playland on their ticket, which they are quick to gloat about how she has enough experience to run the nation should McCain pass away. Yeah 6 colleges in 6 years makes me extremely confident in her abilities. Plus she's not a flip flopper, riiiight.

snoop-blog

@snoop-blog: @spectator101:

both of you, shut-up -.-

sigh..

I NEEDZ MAI CHEEZEBURGER

Jon B.

Oh - and let's not forget that Joe Biden has been in the Senate longer than I have been alive! (I'm 34). Hardly fresh and new.

Canoehead

Wups - Someone just lost the senior's vote - you know, the demographic with the highest electoral participation.

Canoehead

Well, there you go. If somebody will please make a comparison to Hitler, we can invoke Godwin's law and end this thread.

mrweatherbee

@spectator101: classy! you totally just converted me!

Seriously though, keep up the rediculous hate filled comments, not that Obama needs you're help but we'll still take it.

snoop-blog

@WTF?! Ponies!: Oh Hai u can has vote kthx.

RE-L

DEBATIN SKILLZ - I GOT EM

IM IN UR WHITE HOUSE, RUNNIN UR NATION

A CHIKN IN EVRY POT AN A BUCKIT 4 EVRY LOLRUS

3AM CALLZ - I ANSER DEM

40 HR WERK WEEK AN NO WERK ON CATURDAYS

EVILUSHUN IS FRUM BASEMENT CAT

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: U HAZ MAI CHEEZEBURGER, ER I MEANZ VOTE.

Jon B.

Anybody that would vote for the Obamination, is either clueless, or can't research and think for themselves. HE has no clue on how to run anything. He hasn't even been in the Senate for more than a year. All he is, is a BS spewing neophyte. I wouldn't put him in charge of 2 dead gerbils, they might end up disappearing, up his ass.

spectator101

there we go...

lodleader

I CAN HAZ PREZIDENT?

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LOLCATS WILL HALP TEH ENVIRNMENTS THRU INFESTMENT IN MONORAIL CAT

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OMG! Apple Stinks!

As dumbed down as this is, the ad actually has a very valid point. The same people that vote to ban video games are the same people that don't know how to play them (and don't bother to, I might add).

Having someone in the White House who is out of touch with technology will inevitably backfire on us if they want to tap the internet willy-nilly. Someone like Obama may realize that searching for certain things doesn't make you a terrorist, it could make you a student doing research.

But lets say you are doing a paper on terrorist organizations through google (or the like) and they DO choose to tap the internet (which a jackass like McCain would do), guess what, now you are on a watch list.

Is my example extreme? Yes. Could it happen. Yes.

Qu33f_Machine

Now now, don't underestimate the McCain campaign. You must understand this brilliant maneuvering. McCain brings in the older DOS crowd, and you just know that Palin is an Ubuntu h4x0r to appeal to the younger crowd.

The_Gas_Man

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: Who said he needed to use an Iphone? My dad couldn't use an Iphone, yet has no problem checking, and writing an e-mail. Dude don't even bother responding to my comment. I'm not trying to get you to vote for Obama. I think you'll do more good for Obama being on the other side...

snoop-blog

Another day, another political discussion on Giz.

Although McCain is indeed 'elderly', I don't think it will be too big of a deal since Palin is his choice in VP and people seem to like her. So in case something was to happen (not saying it will), atleast half of America would be comfortable with her as President.

I mean, if his age was such a big deal, why would he and Barack be at such a dead heat right now? (in terms of polls, not delegates) I really think Palin's speech helped him out a bit, because he's not that popular (yes, the PotUS is a popularity contest)

Jon B.

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: Should I be happy, or depressed that I understand what you say fully?

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

@lodleader: Just wait. We can all get stooooopid real fast.

johnnyabnormal

@aec007: Vin Laden? Is he related to Osama Bin Forgotten?

johnnyabnormal

@Rabid Penguin: HAHAHAHA!!

johnnyabnormal

May be Obama should e-mail Putin, The Sha and Vin Laden and fix problems over e-mail.

Yeah, right. Get Real.

aec007

@terraform: For sure!

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: your a little late...

venomous_duck41

I don't 'support' either like a lot of us, I don't blindly follow anyone's pre-written speeches of bullshit and lies.

However, when it comes down to it, I agree with apeguero, and I'll pick McCain as I think he'll do the least ammount of damage to the internet and our civil rights (see Obama's view on Gun Control and Biden's view on the internet)

este

@Rabid Penguin: I'm glad you agree with everything you hear. Atleast have some support behind your post if you are going to enter the death ring :)

Jon B.

@WTF?! Ponies!: That's true... I don't want her forcing people to keep babies alive. I'd rather kill and eat them: Obama '08.

Too much?

Rabid Penguin

@este: Can I call you "Testy"?

johnnyabnormal

Man, if we can just get a republican in office for another run, we can really give this Flintstones thing a shot!

terraform

@este: No, I live under a rock. In Iraq.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Sorry should I have added some /sarcasm to that post?

Human Bomb Committed Solaricide

@este: This is Giz, owned by Gawker, I giant Liberal company. Check out their link to the left.

I agree though, the PotUS should do his job as President, when people argue over "OMG Senator so-and-so can't even check his Facebook", thats pretty pitiful.

Jon B.

@este: I would prefer someone who opposes my values to one who seeks to impose hers on me and my family.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

Let the stoooopid begin.

johnnyabnormal

@snoop-blog: "rediculous" You should really get FireFox with the spell checker. That way you would not seem so stupid when you can't spell something correctly using the technology you claim is so important for a President to have.

LoganSix

I hear Obama was a community organizer... you know, just like Jesus. And Palin is a governor like Pilot.

I don't know about you, but for me the choice is easy... Jesus '08.

Rabid Penguin

@johnnyabnormal: Do you even know how Biden is ?

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: I would prefer someone who doesn't share my values then someone who openly opposes them.

este

@Human Bomb Committed Solaricide: Me thinks your accuracy on this matter is around 30%. Try again.

johnnyabnormal

@este: Yah that's kind of odd. Maybe I should have pressed submit faster...

Human Bomb Committed Solaricide

@Human Bomb Committed Solaricide: F'in A!

este

@este: Because Governor Palin does not believe in evolution and believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

There's also her well-documented history of lying about her record.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@este: Black Nazi. That makes sense.

johnnyabnormal

No, it's cool everyone! Be cool! Let Obama in there. Then we can just wait for Biden to take our precious internet/email/bittorrent/privacy/net neutrality away from us! Won't that be AWESOME! Paying extra taxes on all of that data! Mandatory minimum sentences for copying data that you MAY ALREADY OWN! SCORE!

Human Bomb Committed Solaricide

Here is the thing... I DON'T WANT THE PRESIDENT READING BLOGS. I DON'T WANT HIM EMAILING BUDDIES. CHECKING FACEBOOK, LOOKING AT CURRENT POLLS, OR DOWNLOADING PORN.

I WANT HIM TO DO HIS F*(K¡NG JOB. To make important decisions when presented with facts from his advisers. That's all.

That said... The fact that anyone here at Gizmodo supports Obama's nazi ass VP Biden is insane. He is for censorship of the internet, against file-sharing, and worst off against Net Neutrality! How could any tech/geek/gizreader support that!?

este

Don't forget people. AARP is the biggest voting block in this country by far. Do you think they give a rat's ass on whether old dude can or cannot send an email? Actually, I think it's to his advantage when he's addressing them to say that he doesn't have time to figure out them computer do-hickies, etc. He has more important things to try and figure out. He probably has one of those cell phones with the big buttons and no LCD, that is if he even carries one.

Dems should stick to the actual political issues and stop these idiotic commercials. They're trivializing McCain/Palin and all it's going to do is continue to backfire on them. Meanwhile I just sit back and laugh my ass off at this election year. What? I have no other choice. Dems and Repubs are basically the same thing and either party couldn't have found worst candidates to represent them.

And for the record? I'm sticking with McCain for now. So go ahead Libs and keep convincing me on why I switched to Republican a while ago by talking crap about me...

apeguero

All very valid points. In this age of technology and cyber terrorism, do we want a president that doesn't know how the internet/google works. How would we react if a candidate admitted to not knowing how to use a telephone? The internet isn't a series of tubes with big trucks, and we don't need McCain in office.

Saboth

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: I'm offended that you would compare Governor Palin to Tubgirl.

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@johnnyabnormal: Well,...*looks at profile picture*...No.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

PREZIDENSHUL CAT GIVES FINAL ADDRESS TO THE NATION:

BEWARE OF ENTAMBLIN A LIONESS

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@snoop-blog: Which G you going for?
I thought her kid hadn't popped yet tho...

ice_cold_irony

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: Are you basing this on how I turned out? Hahaha...

johnnyabnormal

@yelraf: haha, +1

Jon B.

@William: What, like goatse?

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@ljj:

"Avoid campaign ads. Watch Disney Channel 24/7."

Not according to Matt Damon...haha:

+ Watch video

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Yes, but my Mother would still make a better President.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

If your argument is that the president doesn't need to know how to use a computer or send an email. Then you must also believe that the computer (or access to the Internet) offers NO useful tools, whatsoever, to the leader of the free world. The ability to exchange or receive so much available information is not needed or even useful on that level?

Come on.

William

@snoop-blog: "If you can't figure out an email, your either dumb or lazy, so which is it?"

If you can't figure out proper spelling, grammar and punctuation, you're either dumb or lazy. So, which is it?

yelraf

@Rabid Penguin: Nah, you'd have a revolution.

johnnyabnormal

What email client is that at :15? It looks as old as the PC shown.

jamesdenver

If I was actually worried that McCain could win, I'd stay on here and keep debating, but I came from the consumerist, and really was wanting to see the new toys on here, but instead stumbled on this thread and ended up putting my 10 cents in. If I really wanted to keep this kinda debate up, I'd head to aol so feel free to attack me at will now, as I'm leaving this post to look at the new gadgets, then back to Consumerist.

snoop-blog

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: is your party the Dema-cats?

venomous_duck41

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: too many commas, sorry.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

Avoid campaign ads. Watch Disney Channel 24/7.

Who needs McCain and Obama when we have Zack and Cody?

ljj

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: Well, my mom is older than yours and can use a iPhone, send emails, use "the google", etc. But, we are not electing our moms, are we? Unless you are voting McCain/Palin. :)

johnnyabnormal

@Jon B.: *agenda

my bad

Jon B.

@snoop-blog: When 'Thug Rappers' put political agendy into their lyrics, then yes, they are going to get involved. I don't think you are going to get any sympathy.

Jon B.

@Gessho: Actually, he was an engineer, with the rank of Lt., on a nuclear sub. Not quite a Captain. Nor the nuclear (nucular?) physicist he claimed to be, either.

yelraf

The internet issue is not a big deal. I'm the production manager of a music venue. I mix. I suck at lights, but then I don't have to be competent at it. I just have to hire someone who is, and then let them go at it. So what if McCain can't use the internet. He has people for that. I'm still not voting for him, but not for that reason. Eight years ago, he was a true renegade in his party. That got him accused of fathering an illegitimate black kid in South Carolina, hardly a hotbed of tolerance. So he switched gears in a ploy to get elected in 2008. I find it similar to Pat Boone releasing "In A Metal Mood." He made a pathetic and desperate ploy to pander to those who he was against in the past. Only his has proven more successful that Mr. Boone's attempt. Now, he's Bush lite, but running on a platform of change. Meanwhile the poor will continue to carry the burden of unfair taxes, and we will remain in Iraq.

badhatharry

@GadgetPlay: Finally, someone who is intellegent when it comes to politics. Thank you for not acting like a clueless 12 year old when you posted. +1 (added as friend)

Jon B.

If McCain can't use a computer or send an email, then how could he have any faith in new technology. Just look at all of the businesses that are built around information and the Internet.

You pretty much need to know how to send an email before you can appreciate new technology and the things it promises.

This is the Information Age, is it not?

William

@venomous_duck41: I believe you are referring to "Jesus Horses"

ShinySideUp

@Rabid Penguin: Jesus does not only roll 20s. Jesus is only half-Celestial. He is an Epic Level Cleric and is skilled in Conjuration and Illusion. You seem to think that Jesus is just some power character. I would never use Jesus as a Tanker.

For example, He was able to cast Create Food and Water at as a 20th Level Conjurer when performing the miracle of the Loaves and the Fishes.

Because He is Lawful Good Cleric, He gets a bonus against the Undead such as zombies and vampires. This was especially useful when, in Paul 4:15, He defeated the Lich King.

At Level 10, He gained Darkvision to 60' which came in handy in a dungeon raid when He killed 20 kobold berserkers while losing minimal hit points (see Letters 4:34)

OMG! Apple Stinks!

I'm impressed. This is a much more civil thread than most sites on this subject matter. so far...

johnnyabnormal

@GadgetPlay: Hey now, I was just making a resolution/car make joke :(

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

@Ednonymous: I'm more frightened by his stubby little arms than his hair. I'm pretty sure it's from his POW abuse.

johnnyabnormal

@darthuv:

It wasn't a broad question. He asked if she agreed with the "Bush doctrine". She didn't have a clue what that was. Someone who wants to be VP, and if she does, can very well become the POTUS.

If you fail to see a problem with that, then you... well, simply fail.

Dearhaw

@GadgetPlay:

"She has more experience than Obamanation, and he's at the TOP of your ticket."

Oooh, an actual sample of a kool-aid drinker that eats hook, line, and sinker the RNC talking points. Hilarious.

"Palin's got EXECUTIVE experience" Oooooooh, now I'm impressed.

Dearhaw

Is that the best the obamacrats can come up with?
Next thing you know, they are going to claim that McCain can't be president since his hair is pigmentally challenged so he can't represent all Americans.

I'm not sure if I'm observing an election or a pilot for a bad sitcom.

Ednonymous

@johnnyabnormal: @OMG! Apple Stinks!: That doesn't excuse that she reacted like a moose caught in the headlights.

Gibson asked a broad question. Palin asked for clarification. Instead of clarifying he just restated his question. Once she started answering the unclarified question, he then came in with what he specifically was looking for. I don't know if he did it on purpose, but this is a great way to make anyone look stupid. College professors use it all the time to establish an air of superiority over their students. It's common form of intellectual dishonesty.

darthuv

@aec007:

"Thrust me"

Fuck you, I ain't thrusting you.

"at that level you want someone with experience."

So that explains why your are A-OK with Palin being the VP with a good 20=40% likelihood of stepping in as POTUS when Johnny-Mac croaks.

Dearhaw

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: "Do you want THAT, in the White House?"

Yes.

@HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak: "She's said little of any substance"

She's said plenty, you've just got selective hearing.

@snoop-blog: "Excuse me for expecting the President of the United States to be able to open and reply to an e-mail."

Nope. Why should he?

@Late_Night: "how can he help to grow and cultivate tech that would eliminate dependence on foreign oil?"

It doesn't matter how he does it, it's 50-100 years away. When it happens, it will be due to marklet forces and free enterprise, not a nanny state.

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: "Gibson screwed up, not Palin."

Thank you, Ponies. I think Gibson was deliberately trying to confuse matters, though.

@Gessho: "Jimmy Carter was our most technically-smart president (he was a nuclear sub captain) and he became America's worst president ever."

Yes he was. Good point.

@snoop-blog: "Your comment is no better than a guess, or speculation."

As is yours that McCain is incapable of mastering e-mail. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Please check your hatred at the door.

"Is it just me, or are the only people with a brain that are supporting McCain are the ones who make 250k or more per year."

Yes, it's just you (and all the other gullible knee-jerk liberals).

@mrweatherbee: So gullible.

@lodleader: "its nice to see the people posting in politics sections on here are smart"

Thank you!

@johnnyabnormal: "Why can't scientists gene splice the best parts of Ron Paul and Obama together?"

They can't find Obama's?

@snoop-blog: "Seriously though, keep up the rediculous hate filled comments"

Spectator's comment was out of line, but there's way more hate being evidenced on your side. Maybe you should preach to the choir.

@snoop-blog: "It's funny how Republicans use that whole no experience line, despite them having Gov. Playland on their ticket"

She has more experience than Obamanation, and he's at the TOP of your ticket.

GadgetPlay

@Kaspir: Ah, but what is free speech if you can't use it? By the way, that comedian from the VMA's was censored by MTV anyway. You should have seen what he really wanted to say.

johnnyabnormal

@venomous_duck41: Ooooh. Wouldn't it be ironic if his addiction was demons... or collecting skeletons in his closet.

Rabid Penguin

@Rabid Penguin: work = word.

Rabid Penguin

@apeguero:
I'm of the same though.
That's why there's a PRESIDENT STAFF, People!.

Does anyone think that the Prez will have a laptop in his desk, doing Google and Wiki searches or sending IM to people?
Maybe Obama needs one. Little experience= more questions.

Thrust me, at that level you want someone with experience.
When he wants YOUR opinion, he'll give it to you.

aec007

@johnnyabnormal: Don't forget though, a lot of guys came back from Nam with all kinds of addictions, maybe McCain just hasn't come out about all of his demons.

venomous_duck41

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: Jesus rolls 20's! With that said, I actually do think Jesus saves. And He would probably have to cast "Summon Dinosaur" or "Resurrect Dinosaur" before he could cast "Tame Dinosaur." Though he is Jesus, so maybe not... and they probably would have called them dragons or whatever the Hebrew work for dragon is... Dinosaur is a fairly "new" term.

Rabid Penguin

@johnnyabnormal: The mind of America everybody! Johnny gets my vote!

-.-

Jon B.

@Themindtaker: Actually, I think McCain might have the lead if include his old fart meds.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Now replace Matt Damon saying There's a good chance (Palin) Obama could be president, and stating that he's only been a senator for what, 2 or 3 years, (vs. her Gov. for 2 years) and tell me how she is any worse than he is as a frakkin president??? such a stupid attempt at logic from another hollywood elitest who can't just make their money and stay out of things, they have to act like they give a damn about you or I. What a joke, it's like that idiot on the VMA's the other night, from GREAT BRITAN, trying to tell Americans how to vote, I don't care what side you're for as an American citizen, that turd just needs to keep his British opinion to himself instead of using an entertainment venue as a political soapbox...

Kaspir

@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge:
there's your problem - the Beige Xerox machines are miserable - you need to step up to the cool gray ones.
I used to do Document Support for a law firm in DE.
Other than free food & wine, I don't miss that job at all.

rexplex

While (as a tech head) I also find it troubling that a future POTUS could be tech-illiterate, the other part of this reality is that...

NO (intelligent) SENIOR POLITICIAN SHOULD EVER PERSONALLY GO ANYWHERE NEAR EMAIL. PERIOD.

There's these little things called "subpoenas" that your opposition like to throw around?

GWB was apparently quite the email fanatic while Gov. of Texas - but was bummed that he had to stop when he became President due to legal ramifications. I got a good laugh when a lot of his old Gubernatorial emails all got subpoenaed after he ended up in the White House.

But as I said initially, I want my leaders to be tech savvy, if for no other reason, that they can't be bamboozled by the likes stupid legislation promoted by the RIAA, MPAA, telcos, et cetera.

Ridgerunner

@Themindtaker: I think the same goes for drugs. I think the future prez needs to have done ALL OF THEM. Obama clearly has the lead on McCain in this dept, so he gets my vote. :)

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: no your "let the stooopid begin".

lol you like that picture, i saw that kid on my way home from work a couple of years ago and was like "no f'n way"... thats what we have to put up with in northern Indiana, slow buggies and horse poo on our cars.

venomous_duck41

@OMG! Apple Stinks!:

johnnyabnormal

@Human Bomb Committed Solaricide: I wouldn't even give them that much credit. I'd say they are running at 10% efficiency, but up in our shit where they don't belong 100%.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: Jesus Saves. Then he rolls a 14 and casts "Tame Dinosaur"

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@venomous_duck41: "Late" for?...catching a ride in that bitchin' Amish caravan you're cruisin' in?

johnnyabnormal

@este: you may not want him doing those things, but you want him to know how to do those things in order to better represent you, your desired rights and priorities. if he can't use the technology, has (practically speaking) no knowledge of it, can you really think he's capable of signing off on decisions and laws regulating or otherwise dealing with those things?

But yes, you're right, Biden's not a friendly face to the tech demographic either. Sounds like it's time to vote independent, huh? Few things are quite as satisfying as knowingly throwing your vote away.

Themindtaker

Actually johnny, some think 30% is more than good enough for government work.

Human Bomb Committed Solaricide

You kids comment to fast to keep up with.... Guess that means I can't be president.

este

@GadgetPlay:

"especially when she has more experience than the top of the other ticket. You people never learn"

Seriously, what is this experience you speak of? And spare me the bullshit about she having "executive experience" as mayor of Wasilla. Because, no matter what you say, being mayor of a town of 5500 in nowhere land doesn't amount to a fraction of what Obama did and the responsibilities he had as State Senator for the 13th district of Illinois.

Dearhaw

@OMG! Apple Stinks!: You have a 'Jesus Saves, Takes Half Damage' bumper sticker don't you?

MagnoliaBoy

@Rabid Penguin: I never said He was mid-level. If you'd read, you'd see that I specifically mentioned He is an Epic Level Cleric, which allowed for Him to cast Self-Resurrection.

Judea was filled with Level 20 clerics running around casting "Spurn Death's Touch" and "Cure Major Wounds" (Luke 4:48)

OMG! Apple Stinks!

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: I wouldn't elect your mother to run the country, I'm sorry.

People keep comparing this to every other job, but, as the leader of a country with not only massive resources, but some guy in a bunker with his finger on "TheButton" to end the world - I think you need at least a basic grasp of things that will come your way. And, computers are pretty simple (get a mac if you want really simple), if the 'President of the United States of America' can't take the time to figure out how to use a computer, what else have they not taken the time to figure out? How would they vote on gaming, or internet monitoring? Phone tapping? I don't want someone that just has people for every little thing.

Now, all that being said, I'm excited for this election. It's groundbreaking no matter who wins, we either get a black man as prez, or a woman as VP.

shockwaver

@Saboth: "do we want a president that doesn't know how the internet/google works."

And Obama does? What makes you think so? Using tech and understanding it are two different things.

@este: "How could any tech/geek/gizreader support that!?"

Big honkin' blinders.

@Rabid Penguin: "Too much?"

Just right.

@johnnyabnormal: Or Bin Deisel?

@Dearhaw: "So that explains why your are A-OK with Palin being the VP with a good 20=40% likelihood of stepping in as POTUS when Johnny-Mac croaks."

Absolutely, especially when she has more experience than the top of the other ticket. You people never learn.

@darthuv: :"I don't know if he did it on purpose"

Of course he did. His attitude for that entire interview was just insufferable.

GadgetPlay

@GadgetPlay: ♥ that.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@johnnyabnormal: What exactly are you inferring here? That she doesn't know what the "Bush Doctrine" is?

Based on Charlie's interpretation, would you really want to have our President have any other policy? Islamic extremists/ terrorists are unlike any enemy we have faced before because they don't operate from one set of rules like we're used to.

She might not have been the best possible choice for VP, but I still like her. She's scrappy without being bitchy.

golferal

@badhatharry: mmmmm Busch light... oh wait wrong Bush.

venomous_duck41

@ShinySideUp: Check out my avatar. That's what I was referring to... I wasn't lucky enough to photograph Jesus on a dinosaur but a kid in a buggy was still pretty opportunistic.

venomous_duck41

Ahh darn it, I actually like these posts but was called to duty.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@venomous_duck41: I doubt McSame will die. They've kept Cheney alive!

johnnyabnormal

@WTF?! Ponies!: But you forget he was able to raise himself from the dead. Self Resurrection is not available to mid-level clerics.

Rabid Penguin

@Kaspir: I'd have to agree with you that he is a horrible comedian. Either way, you'd have to shut yourself away in a anechoic chamber for the next 2 months if you want to avoid politics.

johnnyabnormal

Here's a question for anyone who cares to answer. This nickname "Playland", does it stem from something she has done (or not done) or does it just rhyme so that's what she was tagged. I could have very well missed an inside joke during all this political back and fourth since I already have a candidate that I'm definitely voting for (unless his old ass dies before the election) and the Cubbies have been making for a heck of a distraction on their march for the playoffs.

venomous_duck41

Damn, I missed another flame war? Stupid work.

I'm pissed now.

MagnoliaBoy

@johnnyabnormal: I did, because he continued to run his mouth afterwards and make more jokes about baby cover-ups and such, it's retarded (I keeed), free speech is fine and good, but it was a VIDEO MUSIC show, ppl don't tune in to get a political view, from a non-citizen to boot, terribly poor taste.

Kaspir

"Hi, I'm Obama"
"And I'm McCain"

SewerShark

@shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog: I just wanted to participate in some good ole fashioned hate that's all...

DaDRIZZLE

@BigViper: no obama gets saved because he knew how to use a blackberry and e-mail the coast guard.

DaDRIZZLE

@BigViper: lol, fine joke sir.

Kaspir

@Kaspir: I read it wrong.
OOPS!
::blushes::

@DaDRIZZLE: WTF are you talking about? When did I poke fun at avatars other than my own.

shamoononon has a hebetudinous dog

@Dearhaw:

Transcript:
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

After the fact it's easy to say his first question was about THE Bush Doctrine. But that question on its own could be taken as asking about Bush's general philosophy or THE Bush Doctrine, so clarification was totally called for. When Gibson didn't clarify, she answered it in the most general sense. Gibson clarifies the question with details, and she answered it him in a specific sense of the details. Even though the question was answered he draws the question back to his definition on THE Bush Doctrine. This isn't evidence of Sarah Palin not being up on the issues, this evidence of poor communication between the interviewer and his guest.

darthuv

@hagrun: right! Is there no hallowed ground any more. Sheesh.... Obama and McCain are on a boat in the ocean it sinks who get's saved? THE UNITED STATES!

my vote you ask? Clone Reagan! Then we can sit back and listen as the rest of the world goes silent as they huddle in the corner quivering n fear ;)

BigViper