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Microsoft Zune 3.0 Software Review
Posted by Adrian Covert at 2:00 AM on September 19, 2008

Though Microsoft left their new Zune hardware relatively untouched, the firmware and corresponding software got a few nice upgrades that add a bit of functionality. In the firmware, Marketplace is now available over Wi-Fi, while FM Tagging lets you mark songs you hear on the FM Tuner, and have them added to your Marketplace cart automatically. On the software side, Picks compiles a list of songs for purchase in the Marketplace based on recent listening habits, Channels offer what amount to preselected podcasts based on your tastes, Zune DJs or selected partners. Meanwhile Mixview lets you visually explore new music by seeing an artist/album's related works, influences and top listeners. Of these new features, the Wi-Fi Marketplace is a solid, necessary addition, and Mixview is a few tweaks away from being downright awesome.
Picks is basically a more personalised, less flashy, less functional version of Mixview. It's not a new idea, by any means, as iTunes has done something similar for a long time, but it's a feature that's good to have anyway. Channels is another inclusion that's cool, but is essentially a podcast with a bit of personalization. A Zune pass is also necessary to use Channels, which limits it's reach a little bit. But one advantage it does have over a podcast, is that it can be auto-updated over the wi-fi, and switching from song to song is easier, finding a happy medium between preset and on-demand music content.
Zune quietly added Games functionality as well, but with only two basic preloaded games, and no downloadable content, it's too early to judge this aspect of the Zune.
Zune Marketplace is a simple interface that highlights what it does best—letting you scroll through pre-compiled Top 10 lists. You can choose from top songs, top albums or new releases, and pick from genres within each menu. If there's something you REALLY need to download while on the go, there is a search menu that goes through the entire store, but stringing together words on the Zune pad gets old...real fast. But for looking up quick music on the fly without a keyboard, this interface works pretty well.
FM Tagging is a feature that works pretty well most of the time, but runs into the occasional glitch and is limited by the Zune Marketplace. Most of the time, the name and artist comes up without a hitch on any given radio station, but sometimes the tags are formatted wrong and the Zune can't interpret them. The other problem is finding songs in the market place. Even when the song info is correct, you just can't find the song in the store, which negates the usefulness. This seems like a feature that's best used with a Top 40 station as opposed to an obscure college show.
Mixview is probably the most significant of the new features, so I'll devote some space to break down its pros and cons. Like Jesús said, Mixview is designed pretty well, and is really fun to use. You can view other works by the same artists, related artists, and artists who have either influenced or been influenced by the subject in question.
At its best, you can slide from Mixview cloud to Mixview cloud smoother than butter, learning about new artists and downloading new and related music on the fly without exiting the UI. You can also click on top users associated with an artist and browse their favourites and playlists. When you find a string of good Mixview clouds, I could see where using this with the all-you-can-eat Zune Pass would be more addictive than Oxycontin mixed with crack (think Wikipedia surfing).
At its worst, the recommendation service for Mixview can be a clusterfuck of randomness. When you click on a Mixview for an artist or album, the clusters will regularly include 3 or 4 entries to a related artist that come off as redundant. You will not only see a link to the related artist's cloud, but also to his maxi-single, an out of print release,and maybe a downloadable album. It's not always this bad, but it tends to get worse as the artist gets more obscure. Essential singles and EPs, I can understand. But listing greatest hits albums, forgettable EPs and singles already found in suggested albums is lame.
Compared to Genius, Mixview does some things better, some things worse, and some things completely different. Mixview's interface easily trumps that of Genius, and goes deeper into what why it's recommending certain songs. However, Genius seems to be more consistent with the quality of recommendations. Rarely am I blown away by Genius' list of songs, compared to some Mixviews that are really awesome, but rarely am I left wondering "WTF?" or stuck filtering through crap with Genius.
As an example, I'll use the difference between looking up rapper/produer El-P in Zune Mixview and iTunes Genius. Searching his latest album "I'll Sleep When You're Dead" in Mixview brings up '80s prog-rockers Yes (cited as an influence), his maxi-single for "The Overly Dramatic Truth" (off the same album), DJ Shadow's artist page, DJ Shadow's album "Endtroducing," Metallica's "Master of Puppets," and Prefuse 73's "Vocal Studies." Granted, these suggestions change slightly every time you click, and the general selection is decent, but with the more limited list space, do we really need two entries for DJ shadow, and another entry for a song off El-P's same album?
On Genius, searching the track "Tasmanian Pain Coaster" from El-P's album not only brings up earlier works from El-P, but also songs from Cannibal Ox's "The Cold Vein" (which he produced and released on his Def Jux label), Mr. Lif's "I Phantom" (same), Cage's "Hell's Winter" (same). Plus there were also suggestions to rappers like Sole and Evidence, who both emerged out of the same wave of hip-hop as El-P (not to mention share the same skin color). But I digress. The point to this music nerdery is to show that it's a little easier to follow the logic behind the recommendations behind choices on Genius. But that could be what Zune intended with Mixview — choices for the more enthusiastic music fan who is looking for more than the obvious links in music. It's just sometimes it comes off as scattershot song picking than informed recommendations.
And of course, the two excel in very different things. Zune Pass makes Mixview amazing on the music discovery front, because you can get new music risk-free at will. It also has the social on it's side, and the ability to connect with the tastes of other users. Genius has the ability to make playlists from music already in your collection — which can be very cool if there's a certain sound you're in the mood for. Stacked up against each other, it's kind of a wash, and mostly depends on what features matter to you.
Overall, there's more good than bad to be found in the Zune 3.0 Fall Update. Picks and FM Tagging are neat, but picks are not a new idea, and the Tagging is a bit rough around the edges. The addition of the Wi-Fi Marketplace further establishes Zune's spot, in my opinion, as the best non-touchscreen media player in the market, and Mixview just needs to tighten up its suggestion engine a little bit to achieve greatness. [Zune on Giz]

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Ken_Darrow
Posted 2:30 AM 19/9/08
"Funny, isn't it? In the music world, Apple and Microsoft have now completely switched roles. You buy Apple if you want to play it safe - and you buy Microsoft if you think different."
What exactly does that mean? Buying a Zune makes you think different because your buying a so so player and buying into the ZunePass and subscription models?
Ken_Darrow
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 2:29 AM 19/9/08
@HootieMac: Section 9 Reject: No problems here.
OMG! Ponies!
HootieMac: Section 9 Reject
Posted 2:27 AM 19/9/08
Is anyone else having problems with the new software? On my new Vista machine, it's doing strange things to artists with numbers in their name (311, 112, etc...) and it's putting all of my media in twice. I'm trying to get some help on the Zune boards but not having a lot of success. Frustrating, because I'd really like to check out the new features.
HootieMac: Section 9 Reject
godwhacker
Posted 2:27 AM 19/9/08
@mlhm5:
cough*lastxp*cough
cough*tpb*cough
godwhacker
yoshi
Posted 2:26 AM 19/9/08
@mlhm5:
Sorry but that doesn't sound correct at all. I've changed the hard drive several times in my 3 year Dell precision and have yet to have Windows tell me anything.
Does anyone know the exact policy behind this because just changing a hard drive and XP stop installing doesn't make sense at all.
yoshi
Ron-Mexico
Posted 2:26 AM 19/9/08
Maybe it's my imagination, but the desktop software also seems a bit snappier. The previous gen software seemed to occasionally lag a little more.
I'm still listen to too many podcasts to spring for the subscription service (Zune's now far and away the best software/hardware end-to-end experience for those.) But the new software makes the subscription service MUCH more tempting.
Ron-Mexico
Rajio
Posted 2:23 AM 19/9/08
To bad that if you're not in the US most of the features of this update are non-existent.
Rajio
mlhm5
Posted 2:23 AM 19/9/08
I have a Zune. It was a gift and because it is a MS product, there are always problems with the software.
Example. I have at least 4 paid for copies of XP and have had to change hard drives at least 3 times in a my two computers and am now at a point where I cannot install XP because of MS rules and have had to jury rig XP without updates to avoid buying yet another copy of XP.
No Windows update no Zune installation. Apple could care less. I now have a 4oz paperweight.
MS is really frustrating.
mlhm5
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 2:19 AM 19/9/08
Excerpts from David Pogue's review of Zune 3.0:
David Pogue's concluding observation:
Funny, isn't it? In the music world, Apple and Microsoft have now completely switched roles. You buy Apple if you want to play it safe - and you buy Microsoft if you think different.
High praise indeed.
OMG! Ponies!
yoshi
Posted 2:17 AM 19/9/08
@bigfatduck:
You're wrong, BigFatDeeeeuck.
yoshi
bigfatduck
Posted 2:12 AM 19/9/08
may i be the first to say, it sounds like the original MS fanboy mob that was screaming that mixview will have better recommendations (based on.... no information) were wrong. if you are able to follow the logic from genius better, and then regarding mixview "It's just sometimes it comes off as scattershot song picking than informed recommendations", then genius is the better recommendation engine. PERIOD.
bigfatduck
akashhhhh
Posted 2:10 AM 19/9/08
I installed yesterday and took on a Zune Pass trial, this is amazing. I'm hooked. Damn. Downloading to device is especially cool.
akashhhhh
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 2:09 AM 19/9/08
Good writeup. I was fiddling about with Zune yesterday and found Mixview to be very good. My Inspiron's graphics are teh w34ksauce, so it had to be done in basic. I really like the Genius function though. It's actually been pretty good about my automatic playlists.
On the device end, the fact that there's a clock now blows me away XD
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Elvisisdead
Posted 2:53 AM 19/9/08
@Bluesk1d: Wow. Jimmy the Superfly treatment.
The new software is great, but the one gripe I have about it is that Mixview isn't available for all artists - even the popular ones. Like Sinatra and Willie Nelson. Parliament isn't listed, but Funkadelic is. Neither of the Elvises (Presley or Costello) have mixview, either. I'm not expecting the esoteric or smaller artists to have it, but get the bases covered on all of the big ones. For Chrissakes, James Taylor didn't have mixview.
Elvisisdead
godwhacker
Posted 2:52 AM 19/9/08
@Bluesk1d:
no reason to slam the guy, he just doesn't know the ins and outs of dealing with MS' way of doing things.
everyone was a noob once.
godwhacker
astrocramp
Posted 2:51 AM 19/9/08
@Ken_Darrow:
I have a Zune, and had three iPods before. The Zune is a much better player, and the audio is arguably better, than the iPod. So I'd say it's a great player with a subscription model, which to me subscription is the only way I'd ever pay for anything with DRM (I always rip CD's of the artists i truly like).
Granted, the zune doesn't have the cool factor of the touch, but for strictly playing music Zune is a better device and better model.
astrocramp
HootieMac: Section 9 Reject
Posted 2:51 AM 19/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: I just have to say, because I've been thinking it forever, that you have my favorite name on the gawker blogs. I laugh every time I read it.
I'm also envious of your Zune 3.0 functionalitiness.
HootieMac: Section 9 Reject
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 2:45 AM 19/9/08
@Kaiser-Machead on the Edge: Agreed. If I could get a 120GB first-gen, I would.
In brown.
(I'm serious. I really like the industrial look of the brown Zune)
OMG! Ponies!
godwhacker
Posted 2:44 AM 19/9/08
@yoshi:
i don't know if this is exact, but i think it goes like this:
when you go to register/activate xp online, MS would "see" that the reg number is attached to a different piece of hardware (hard drive), so it would boot the validation attempt out. more than likely a phone call to MS would be able to handle it. i base this on my experience of running a copy of my xp home onto another computer for testing purposes, (a dell which was acting weird) and it would not validate. so i called MS and that was the explanation i was given.
like i said, that's just my experience.
godwhacker
Bluesk1d
Posted 2:41 AM 19/9/08
@mlhm5:
That is a load of crap. If you are buying copies of XP everytime you break it (yes I sid you are breaking it), you shouldn't be using anything electronic. If you think you have to reinstall all the time because you cant resolve your error, you are a nub. If you re-install and activate the same key too many times (3) and it eventually tells you you cannot activate anymore, you simply call MS and tell them you are re-installing and they will authorize it. It takes 5 minutes tops and costs you nothing.
Besides, the post is about the Zune 3.0 software, which is solid.
I love when people blame the product for their own ignorance.
Bluesk1d
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Posted 2:36 AM 19/9/08
@Ken_Darrow: Actually, the player is greatly improved from the very limited 30GB model. My only gripes with it, however, is that the devices are somehow uglier (to me) than the original. Without the doubleshot, and now a somewhat glossy face, it looks and feels a bit cheaper.
Kaiser-Machead on the Edge
Guizzy
Posted 2:34 AM 19/9/08
A feature many people might not be aware of... The fullscreen visualization (you know, the wall of albums?) now starts a dynamic slideshow for some artists. Since I use the Zune Software as my music player in my HTPC, I have to mention it looks particularly awesome.
Try it. Artists I know for sure it works with:
- Daft Punk
- Oasis
- Radiohead
- Live
And others I'm forgetting. Try some of the most popular artists in your library.
Guizzy
Galley
Posted 3:20 AM 19/9/08
Yes was a New Wave band?
Galley
Elvisisdead
Posted 3:17 AM 19/9/08
@Bluesk1d: I know, but Giz isn't as bad as /., and that's a good thing. PEBKAC would have sufficed. An analogy about an idiot buying a hammer and holding it by the claw end and then bitching about how it won't drive nails would have worked, too.
That being said, a bitch about XP on a Zune thread or a cry for help when you're a doof and blaming it one the world is out of line. On topic and non-repetitive is the order of the day.
Elvisisdead
triggerx
Posted 3:15 AM 19/9/08
Zune 3.0 + Zune Pass + McDonald's = Doesn't get any better than this.
triggerx
@werk
Posted 3:14 AM 19/9/08
threadjack/
Adrian you are my new favorite blogger. El-P FTW!
This is the sound of what you don't know killing you
This is the sound of what you don't believe still true
This is the sound of what you don't want still in you
TPC motherfucker, cop a feel or two
/threadjack
@werk
Shenzhov
Posted 3:10 AM 19/9/08
@akashhhhh
Yea, well just try to cancel that free 14 day trial before they bill you a full month.
How they tell you to do it does not work by the way, I tried.
Shenzhov
geedots
Posted 3:09 AM 19/9/08
Nice write up, Adrian. BTW have you ever heard, "High Water," the jazz cd that El-P did? If you can find it, it's a must.
geedots
Bluesk1d
Posted 3:04 AM 19/9/08
@Elvisisdead:
Haha it's just irksome. These are the people that spread negative impressions about things. Their voices tend to be louder than praise and it just snowballs into stuff like the complete nonsensical material that makes it into the Mac ads as reason to switch.
Regarding the lack of Mixview data, I have the exact same complaint. Out of 280 artists, 3 of them had Mixview available =/
Bluesk1d
The Real 31
Posted 3:04 AM 19/9/08
@astrocramp:
Ken Darrow adds nothing to the threads other than "lol" or spreading his fanboyisms.
Don't feed the troll!
The Real 31
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 3:02 AM 19/9/08
@Bluesk1d: Ease off a little. He might not have known.
@mlhm5: In the future, read the prompts and the manual.
Microsoft lets you re-activate Windows just fine after a hard drive install. After you typed in your product key, the window should have given you an 800 number to call. The reps are friendly and the process takes less than 5 minutes.
In spite of the vitriol, Bluesk1d is correct. I can only assume from your comment that you did not follow the prompts which - based on my own personal experience in upgrading HDDs and reinstalling Windows - are very simple to follow.
This one is on you.
OMG! Ponies!
Strider-No.9
Posted 3:44 AM 19/9/08
Damn good review.
Strider-No.9
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 3:43 AM 19/9/08
@triggerx: This iPod & iPhone fan boy must concede that you may be correct.
92BuickLeSabre
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 3:41 AM 19/9/08
@ZombieRace: It still has the lacy background. Please to change your settings.
OMG! Ponies!
yoshi
Posted 3:39 AM 19/9/08
@godwhacker:
Interesting... That's good to know. I've replaced my HD on my Dell Precision laptop but I've managed to use the original Dell install disk. I wonder if it has to do with something where the pc is being registered to multiple copies of XP?
I will ask around and see. Thanks!
yoshi
ZombieRace
Posted 3:38 AM 19/9/08
:( The new firmware nuked the old default background.
This is a sad, sad day.
ZombieRace
Skeezy
Posted 3:30 AM 19/9/08
@Skeezy: Holy shit EL-P is the Owner/CEO of DJ.
Lawl at me for not knowing these things.
Skeezy
Skeezy
Posted 3:29 AM 19/9/08
@Guizzy: The funny thing about that is I can't even get it to work with the bands Zune has used in their Commercials.
N.E.R.D doesn't want to work either :(
Skeezy
Skeezy
Posted 3:26 AM 19/9/08
EL-P is in Definitive Jux?
Jesus I haven't heard someone new from there since I was listening to Aesop and C-Rayz Walz
Skeezy
Rodriguez
Posted 4:09 AM 19/9/08
How about the games? won't anybody talk about the games?
Rodriguez
godwhacker
Posted 3:49 AM 19/9/08
@yoshi:
i would think that it has to do with the old hdd no longer being "seen" on the net, when you restored it using the dell disc.
godwhacker
TownsendKisser
Posted 4:24 AM 19/9/08
I think the radio feature is awesome. Even if it may not work 100% of the time with the marketplace, conceptually is great. It lets you bookmark those songs you hear on the radio, that you never know the artist/title to. So at least check them out later, instead of trying to remember bits and pieces of lyrics, hehe.
TownsendKisser
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 4:21 AM 19/9/08
@Ken_Darrow: Well, what do you think David Pogue meant when he wrote: "The new Zune trumps the iPod Nano in music discovery and downloading as it moves out of its rival's shadow"
OMG! Ponies!
r.p.goodfellow
Posted 4:16 AM 19/9/08
wait.... theres someone else out there who listens to El-p?
r.p.goodfellow
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 4:16 AM 19/9/08
@ps61318: very early Genesis...marked particularly by...imho...the greatest song of the era, Firth of Fifth, which I am going to go listen to right now.
92BuickLeSabre
The_Last_Skunk
Posted 4:14 AM 19/9/08
@Ken_Darrow: I think he meant in the sense that people will safely get an ipod because of its established presence in culture rather than try something more frontier like a zune. In this way, zune adopters can be said to have thought differently...
The_Last_Skunk
ps61318
Posted 4:10 AM 19/9/08
@Galley: Where does it say that? It says "prog rock" which they are/were. They produced Album Oriented Rock, much as did many prog rock bands in the 70's and 80's - think Moody Blues, Yes, Pink Floyd, very early Genesis (before Peter Gabriel left and the band began its long, slow slide into poppy poopiness).
ps61318
J.T.
Posted 4:53 AM 19/9/08
You could have come right out and said it at the beginning, Adrian: Microsoft has finally done it and beaten Apple at their own game. Not only is the Zune hardware and firmware now far more intuitive and functional than the iPod, but the Zune software has finally edged past iTunes in many ways as well.
I can't believe it, but I might actually start using the Zune player now instead of iTunes. Even a few days ago, that would be crazy-talk.
What's amazing is that this piece of software looks and feels like a team of *actual user interface designers* dreamed it up and massaged it into greatness. It's one of those experiences that can't be captured in screen shots, because the interface changes dynamically based upon how you're sorting songs, or what you're listening to, or what you want to do in general. There are still a few minor quibbles I'd like to see the Zune player do from the iTunes column (like uncheck a song from playing in a playlist, or loop a single song repeatedly without having to make it a playlist), but on the whole this is... well, it's badass. Simply put.
J.T.
HFC
Posted 4:41 AM 19/9/08
Master of Puppets is always a good music suggestion.
HFC
mrweatherbee
Posted 4:37 AM 19/9/08
It would be refreshing to see superlatives for the Zune that aren't qualified with apples to oranges comparisons, such as labeling the Zune "the best non-touchscreen media player." The unnamed "touchscreen" media player tops out at 32GB for $400(!!!), where the Zune nearly quadruples that capacity for $250. I could buy a hard-drive 120GB Zune plus an 8GB Zune for the gym for the price of one iPod touch, and both devices can operate under a single Zune Pass subscription. It certainly seems safe to say the Zune 120GB is at least the best high-capacity media player.
What I haven't seen spelled out in a review is that Zune Picks and Mixview canvas all content in the Zune Marketplace, which can be accessed with the Zune Pass for no additional $. As I understand Genius, it only looks for related music already in your library? Is that true? If so, Genius sucks if you're just getting into the PMP market; think older users, young kids getting their first PMP, etc. If you only have a few hundred songs in my library, I don't see much value in Apple telling me which songs go together, I probably already know. Zune picks and Mixview cover >3 million songs. I'm probably wrong on that one, in spite of reviews I've seen I find it hard to believe that Genius doesn't present you the opportunity to buy all kinds of songs you may or may not like for a dollar a pop on iTunes. Good luck with those recommendations, I sure hope they don't suck!
mrweatherbee
ZombieRace
Posted 5:21 AM 19/9/08
and restoring the default background just gives me a plain black background.
Odd.
ZombieRace
ZombieRace
Posted 5:16 AM 19/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: I've scoured the Zune for it. It's no where to be found. :(
ZombieRace
ZetaCrossfire
Posted 5:15 AM 19/9/08
i like the new update
ZetaCrossfire
Carbon
Posted 5:49 AM 19/9/08
The new Update is great so far! The GUI still crushes iTunes!
Carbon
Carbon
Posted 5:47 AM 19/9/08
@mlhm5: Damn you are a retard.....
Carbon
Adrian Covert
Posted 5:44 AM 19/9/08
@mrweatherbee: isn't high capacity synonymous with non-touchscreen?
@J.T.: without going too deep into it, i will say that i'd rather use itunes than the zune client as a jukebox/library manager, especially having a library over 150 gigs. But that's purely excluding zune store, social, mixview etc...
Adrian Covert
ZombieRace
Posted 5:38 AM 19/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: I had a co-worker update his firmware on his Zune30 (I also have a Zune30) and the old default background is, indeed, gone.
Sad day.
ZombieRace
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 5:33 AM 19/9/08
@ZombieRace: Drop me a line tonight to remind me. I have to spend a little more time with the program anyway.
OMG! Ponies!
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 5:52 AM 19/9/08
@Adrian Covert: Agreed.
For tag editing, the browser is easier. It's what I'm used to.
OMG! Ponies!
mrweatherbee
Posted 6:21 AM 19/9/08
Repeating the question buried in my longish post earlier, does Genius search for related tracks only in your personal library, or across the entire iTunes catalog?
mrweatherbee
mrweatherbee
Posted 6:21 AM 19/9/08
@Adrian Covert: "High capacity" is the glass half full, "non-touchscreen" is glass half empty. It's a little passive aggressive to define something as what it's not rather than defining it as what it is. Sort of like the spin between pro-choice versus anti-life... it's all the same thing, right? ;-)
I'm sure Apple loves folks referring to the Zune as the "non-touchscreen" player.
mrweatherbee
Tim Faulkner
Posted 7:03 AM 19/9/08
@mrweatherbee: It's a bit fanboyish to think that a product is not going to be compared with the competition, which does have a superior touchscreen offering. (And, yes, it's delusional to say: "But the Zune doesn't compete with the iPod touch" -- sorry, it does. If a customer can consider, do I buy an iPod touch or a Zune, that's competition.)
Yes, Genius does both: makes playlists based on your library and provides suggestions based on the store.
Tim Faulkner
yashichi8bit
Posted 6:55 AM 19/9/08
I tried to update my zune to 3.0 and the software would stall out at the EULA & where it downloads the update. Tried 4 times, all stalls then I unchecked the box to install the games option...and it worked.
So now my zune is at 3.0 but no games. :(
Any suggestions?
yashichi8bit
blankmind13
Posted 6:44 AM 19/9/08
First of all let me just say that zune pass is the shit. I've only had it for about three days and I have access and downloaded more new and good music than I ever had before. Mix view is pretty amazing. It could list more related artists and albums, but that would probably just fill up the screen. Channels are pretty much like podcasts I guess but they seem to work better. I know some people have issues with the fm tagging feature. I think the zune software side is perfect, its just a matter of finding a station where the information is formatted correctly. Fortunately I have a few by me. And I can tell you when it works its great. Being able to instantly get information about a song and adding it to your cart, or even buying it right then if you have wifi is incredible.
Lastly the statement "best non-touchscreen media player in the market" is the same as "ipod killer" and "better than an ipod". SO why not just say that? Oh thats right, because we're on gizmodo. :p
blankmind13
UnnDunn
Posted 7:53 AM 19/9/08
@mrweatherbee: When you click to create a Genius playlist, it searches only from your library to make the playlist.
When you enable the Genius sidebar, it searches across the iTunes store to find recommendations, but obviously you'd have to buy them before listening.
UnnDunn
UnnDunn
Posted 7:51 AM 19/9/08
@J.T.: To remove a song from the Now Playing list... go to the Now Playing window (click the little bars icon at the bottom-right next to the playback controls), select the track(s) you want to remove and press Delete.
UnnDunn
vgart
Posted 7:34 AM 19/9/08
awe....how cute. Windows 98 theme. I missed it.
vgart
mrweatherbee
Posted 8:43 AM 19/9/08
@UnnDunn: Thanks.
mrweatherbee
mrweatherbee
Posted 8:44 AM 19/9/08
@yashichi8bit: Call customer support. They are quite helpful. Also, a similar question has been asked a few times in the Zune support forums.
mrweatherbee
CrashingOut
Posted 5:31 PM 19/9/08
+1
DJ shadow is in your breadth of knowledge Mr. Covert, I shall be reading again...
CrashingOut
ILoveToast
Posted 12:08 AM 20/9/08
@yashichi8bit: Not sure if this helps but I have a Zune 30 and it seem to stall at first for me too but I left it alone for a bit and then tried it again and it worked.
Brown Zune = dirt... cheap that is = AWESOME!!!
I saw somewhere there was a question as to what 3.0 features would work on the original Zune. I seem to have all of them and the ones I've tried work great. The games are really well done!
ILoveToast
Josh
Posted 1:53 AM 20/9/08
I know it's been out for a while but... WMA LOSSLESS FTW!! I re-ripped my DMB collection to WMA lossless last night and I must say... I feel like a nut.
Josh
F3lix85
Posted 11:07 AM 20/9/08
I installed the new 3.0 firmware on my first gen zune and I like the new Marketplace feature but when I was using it; it only worked for about 5 min and it hasn't worked since. I have tried it on the wireless network at work and at home. Another thing that I have noticed is that my zune has been getting hot after I installed the update. I haven't seen any other posts about that so it might be just mine. As for the media player software it seems to work better than the last version but I have only been using it for a day so that doesn't mean much. The mixview feature is nice if you have the zune pass, which I don't, so I only get 30 second previews. I haven't tested the games yet but it might be a nice addition for when you need to kill time.
F3lix85
Serafinn
Posted 3:24 AM 19/9/08
@yoshi and mlhm5: You are both right - retail versions of XP have a limited number of times they can be installed and registered - DELL versions of XP (Green CD) can be installed unlimited number of times on DELL only machines, its a deal DELL has with Microsoft as every DELL nowadays has the CODE on the computer and not the associated with the CD.
Serafinn
koitoyoji
Posted 2:16 AM 19/9/08
glad to see my good ol zune is finally stepping things up on the software/firmware front. ive been "hooked" to the marketplace ever since i got my zune30 when they first came out. hopefully we will see a major improvement with hardware in the near future and not too far down the road. ive always loved the overall feel of the zune since day one and it just keeps getting better and better.
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