@hamlyn: No kidding, I find iTunes to be extremely sluggish, particularly at start up. Thats why I use it strictly to sync my ipod.

aKed

I had BSOD with my 3G iPhone. After I unplugged my HP printer everything worked (well, except the printer). The last driver update for the printer was at the release of Vista and the printer has been discontinued (C4180) so I don't think I'll be seeing anything from HP to solve this issue.

CaptCaveman

i think this has something to do with apple maybe sabotaging vista... just speculation... but even if it isnt apple has had some software issues recently... purposeful or not...

purple-pillows

So, does Vista really have the same old BSOD? They need to spruce it up a bit, like Apple's kernel panics.

itchytooth

Worked Fine in my Macbook Pro,
But On my Vista Machine My Only Problem is Burning? It back to the 7.6.1.9 again!
it burns so Slow its Ridiculous!
But No crashes .. Wooosh!

DJJS

@15sunrises: Human error?

Same way that Apple missed the security flaw in the last firmware update, Microsoft building an overheating console or how you get something rang up wrong at a store. People aren't perfect, believe it or not...

Now on topic (late at night, tend to ramble about whatever), I'm glad I switched over to a MacBook a few weeks ago. I used Vista and don't know how I could go without using iTunes (use it almost every hour I'm on my laptop). Also along with others, this is the first I've heard of the BSOD on Vista, of course I would only get it if I had installed some of my PC hardware wrong (when building) so that may be why (always run XP first).

ttech10

Running on Vista x64. No crashes or any issues at all so far.

ElectricBrain

The software you are about to install will ruin EVERYTHING.

Cancel or Allow?

2-7offsuit

@Derek Devine: TROLL MOAR PLZ!!!

The Magnificen7

Knowing corrupt Apple, they probably did this on purpose, to push their ignorant ways of getting more Mac users.

Derek Devine

@Zargon: But the mock turtleneck is so versatile! I'll never have to change again!!! Gah!

Take me to your leader...

The Magnificen7

At install it politely suggested that i should close windows explorer in order to continue...it was the weirdest thing ever.

Mike918

@The Magnificen7:
It's a trap!

Zargon

@aKed:
I've been using Vista x64 for over a year myself and the only time I had a BSOD was when I installed a really poorly written beta firewall. I didn't even want a firewall, I just wanted to monitor a piece of software's networking activity. Anyway, other then that, not a single BSOD.

Seems like Apple has some really shitty Windows programmers too, or they're just being the normal, douchy Apple and will blame MS for their fuck up.

Darkest Daze

no issues here (did everything that is reported to cause BSODs). I upgraded via iTunes from 7.7 to 8.

Having said that, is iTunes super sluggish or is it just me. 7 was bloated, 8 is no different

hamlyn

Might this help a rather expensive campaign explicitly against Vista? Requiring an update for functionality, "just to play music" ?

No. No. Of course not. Apple does no wrong.

DaveExile

I don't get how this sort of thing isn't caught through testing... or the vast majority of software problems for that matter...

15sunrises

It's a trick!

Step 1: Install fake BSOD and secretly convert Vista users to OS X!

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit (and World Domination)

I for one welcome our mock turtleneck wearing overloads.

Oh crap, I AM ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!(YESSSSS)

The Magnificen7

I'm using 32 bit Vista and haven't had any issues with a 2g Nano, iTouch and iPhone 3g. However, I didn't upgrade via iTunes. I downloaded the iTunes setup from the apple.com and installed on my own because the built in updater said that 7.7.1 or whatever was the most recent version.

Try that if it's not working for you.

Advil101

vista blue screens? Wow i've been using it since it came out and not once have i seen it blue screen...interesting.

aKed

That what you get if you are dumb enough to run Vista. Just by a Mac and be done with it. You can even run XP in a virtual system if you need to.

Good one on ya Apple. Screw Vista users, they deserve it!!!

spectator101

Vista 32bit. No problems crashes so far. Some trouble merging albums, but that may be my noobishness at work. iPhone backup is taking longer than usual.

velglarn

@2-7offsuit: ALLOW.

yoshinatsu

@regnez:
How about you post a link that works, jackass.

regnez

Countdown to Apple explaining that BSOD's are actaully an intended "feature" and why we're going to love them once we're used to them in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

Faxmonkey

@regnez: Your link is dead.

Here is to the darkness that is Apple.

Anrui

@itchytooth:
Consider it spruced. (slightly NSFW)

regnez

No, no, no, no. VISTA causing huge problems, BSOD for Vista users.

okeribok

vista64 here with no issues at all...

O3DigitalBath

design your OS and no user program should be able to BSOD your VISTA.

Come back and complain about Apple when your VISTA grows up to be a real OS.

/if you think programs cant have bugs then you deserve windows. Your OS should prevent BSOD regardless of what program you run. But like most MS fan boys you think its the programs job to prevent BSOD when that is clearly the job of the OPERATING SYSTEM.

Wowwzers2

I don't think you need iTunes 8 to have BSOD on Windows. It's just a regular thing you know?

Ken_Darrow

No issues.

daducttapeartist

@Zargon:

I was starting to wonder over the lack of Star Wars references in the first 7 comments...

Rustabout

Vista Ultimate 64 Bit
Downloaded iTunes 8 from the Apple site

No Issues for me and my iPhone 3G...

I'm betting it's a specific piece of software interfering aside from iTunes or Vista.

thor79

not a problem everything runs fine vista 64 ultimate

pokebud

Wow I thought it was just my vista install and I thought I had to reinstall, I almost was getting ready to reinstall vista and everything this weekend. Fucking itunes 8, now I can't sync my iphone 3g with my pc!!

Sam_Zebian

This is not the first time this issue has appeared! Soon after Vista was released and after Apple and MS was supposed to have fixed the early Ipod-Vista incompatibilities. Itunes did this exact same thing, you'd plug in your Ipod, it would start to sync then BAM! BSOD! This was fixed with itunes updates some time later but not before it became a huge annoyance.

Napalmhaze

@aKed: If you wanna see one you should come over here and use my PC. You wouldn't have to wait very long. Don't even bother sitting down...

I never had any problems at all with XP. Screw DX10. The next time I have to install an OS again I'll just use XP.... Or simply buy a Mac...

Nathan Drake

Maybe the BSOD is the windows version of that amazing visualizer Ive been watching all night! Install was about 5 minutes (unlike my iPhone but thats another story) on my mac with no problems at all, other than deciding whether or not I want iTunes/Apple to know what music I have. Its hardly all legit.

xshortx

No BSOD here. Just took forever to set up iTunes. Thanks for the bloatware, Cupertino.

OMG! Ponies!

has anyone else been unable to edit song metadata on itunes 8, it won't let me edit any of the ifo from songs imported from the previous itunes versions. which is rather anoying, as most of them don't have album artwork, and now i can't add any

mr_bigglesworth

no problems here....

sibbe

It's a Palin move by Jobs. Leash a leopard and fly sucker.

mikegriffin

@mrzippy: The question still remains:

Would you accept this behavior from a Microsoft program that was glitchy only on Macs? Would you blame Microsoft for not programming the app properly or would you blame Apple for not designing the OS properly?

OMG! Ponies!

@mrzippy: Apple controls 80% of the PMP market. Apple is approaching monopoly power. Many EU countries agree.

OMG! Ponies!

Hardly a monopoly, you don't have to buy an iPod - there is plenty of choice out there!

Pop down your local PC shop and you might be lucky if they sell anything apart from Windows PCs

mrzippy

I'm wondering...

IF THIS IS TRUE - would Apple users accept this behavior from a Microsoft program that was glitchy only on Macs? Or would they scream about antitrust and anticompetitive practices?

Let's not forget - where PMPs are concerned, Apple is approaching monopoly power.

OMG! Ponies!

I went to upgrade last night, via itunes update, but it said 7.x (I forget whatever it was before, was the current version)... and ideas?

Did people used to get excited when AOL would release a new update? I remember AOL as far back as 4.0, and used it up untill about 8.0... I can only assume that they must be on ver 15.0 by now (I'm sure my mom has it, whatever it happens to be). I don't recall there ever being any hype over software upgrades, quite like what we see today with software.

Dooosh

Vista 32bit with no problems on itunes 8. Only my XP machines get BSOD and even that was 1 year ago. Would be nice if giz called this an uncertain find rather than hard fact.

alukard

@mr_bigglesworth: No, but it does take a long time to update the info. Especially for those who go to bays of organized pirates.

OMG! Ponies!

Oh, and the new visualizer = :) :) :) :) :)

Jon B.

@mr_bigglesworth: ahhahahahaha :D

But yeah, iTunes 8 works wonderfully on my MBP :)

My only complaint is the Genius feature, I thought it was going to make a playlist out of the songs I listen to the most, but no, it trys to sell me stuff on iTunes o.o

laaaaaaaame

(unless I'm missing something)

Jon B.

Now imagine if Apple was forced to open the platform and license the OS to other hardware vendors. (If the Psystar lawsuit succeeds)

They can't even manage to multi-platform iTunes without crashing the OS...

BTW - BSOD's are caused by bad drivers. Apple needs to look at the new device driver for the iPods and figure out the problem.

My wife's Nano didn't crash my Vista. I'm wondering is this is purely iPhone/iPod Touch related.

Rask

@mikegriffin: whats the difference between jobs and gates? lipstick

mr_bigglesworth

@OMG! Ponies!: damm.....they seemed like such a friendly bunch

mr_bigglesworth

Looks like I'm the genius for not buying into all this upgrade crap....My XP runs smooth, my 5g plays great music, and ITUNES 7 runs smooth....I think Scotty said it best..."A few souvenirs from the Excelsior's engines, doctor. The more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

fastharry

shal I say shameless and disgusting? that these apple fan boys even attack others when apple makes such a disgusting app?

Its beyond imagination, completely shameless.

clevin

I'm running 32 bit Vista Ultimate and I have had no BSODs.

However, I did do a clean install of iTunes. Why I have no idea. But it seems to have worked out to be a good idea.

shifty_276

@aKed: You must be a lucky user... Almost every time I had to use a Windows Vista machine a BSOD appeared... I'm glad that I bought a Mac...

bostero2

@CaptCaveman:

Thanks, your post really helped me, I have the same printer and was getting BSOD when connecting my touch, powered down the printer and it works fine.

atconc

I have had no problems.

Royvin

itunes 8 worked great on my mac pro, genius took less then a second, and it runs really well, I havent installed the new itunes on my pc but i will wait to see if they fix this problem.

vinnyr

@bostero2:
Then either you have some very bad karma or everytime you touch a computer you try to install bad shit.

My PC, on Vista, hasn't had any BSOD since I got it half a year ago.

turboke

Well what do you know, Apple can't design compatible software! Considering they can only design an OS good enough to run on specifically-configured machines, who's really surprised?
iTunes is the worst piece of software I ever put on my PC

Posavoie

@bostero2: Can you scream 'fanboi' any louder?

(BTW, yes I use a MBP)

Jon B.

Total BS... I've never gotten blue screen nor is iTunes 8 causing any issues for Windows Vista.

yoshi

Hi, 32-bit Vista here,

Installed yesterday from the website because iTunes said I was up-to-date already... no problem with iPhone 3G, 2G Nano or 3G Nano.

So far...

mcdonnr

Well, that's what you get for using it. Good thing I have a Zune. HAHAHA!

vincentw561

I'm not ready to buy the "Apple did it on purpose to screw Vista" conspiracy theories, but even as a Mac fanboy I have learned never to download the first (or second or third) version of Apple software or updates. Instead I wait for reports on macfixit.com and for a stable version to appear. (I have no affiliation with macfixit, BTW). There must be something like macfixit for Windows users out there.

Barcard

Hm, haven't had a problem on Vista 32.

SpriteMV

Installed yesterday on 32-bit Vista machine with no issues. I did install from a download, not from within iTunes. No BSOD or app issues with my iPhone 3G.

I'm going to sit on the fence here. I think Macs are great machines, but I'll never own one, because of the hardware lockdown. I enjoy building my PCs from scratch. It's a hobby I don't want to give up. If Apple ever releases the OS as a standalone for install on whatever we want, I'd buy it, but I don't see that happening. Then they'd have to trust all the parts vendors to develop proper drivers. Think about all the flaky, half-baked equipment and drivers Apple would have to support when things went wrong. This is the biggest issue with Windows. If you build a proper machine, you don't have issues with Windows.

jgrnt1

@Carbonfly: Apparently we got hit with the same problem at the same time! We're like brothers...or something!

92BuickLeSabre

Methinks Apple deserve a wrist slap for this one... Zune on OS X, anyone?

mrweatherbee

Hummm, I can't even access iTunes 8 on my mac, now that it's downloaded. No App updates for me today...

92BuickLeSabre

Has anyone tried to buy Apps since the update? iTunes won't let me purchase Apps now. This sucks!

....yes, I have checked all of my CC info.

Carbonfly

@vinnyr: Genius took less than a second?! What do you have like 15 songs? Genius took 10 minutes for me - 4200 songs.

robot-shmobot

Juuuuust plain old installing has resulted in no problems for me, I just can't get rid of the GOD DAMN store links!

Onouris

@Mike918: It seems every app in Adobe's Creative Suite makes you do this, too. Very annoying.

D.

drzeller

I haven't had a BSOD in over 10 years, what are you people doing wrong?!

PC+Mac Coexist

@Wowwzers2: Damn straight! A shitty app is bad. But a shitty OS that allows a shitty app to take the whole thing down is worse. Much worse.

TommySez

Haven't had any BSoD problems on 64bit vista, but itunes has been a hell of a lot more laggy and slow since the update.

PicsNao

@Advil101:

I did the same thing and I haven't had any problems either. It actually seems to run quite a bit better now than 7.7.1 did.

Weird..

jcoll

Man, I feel like I'm missing out. OSX just doesn't give me the same BSOD thrill that Vista does!

plinkofrog

Vista has BSODs? I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 and have had never had a BSOD. DL'd iTunes 8 last night and was playing with it for a few hours... no problems whatsoever. FYI.. the new Visualizer and Genius App are friggin incredible.

N@tedog

Well, if you didn't think iTunes was a bloated buggy program before, I think it kinda seals the deal now. Even MediaMonkey becomes a svelte beast compared to the new iTunes.

As for Vista BSODs, I've never had BSOD problems on my 3 Vista x64 machines. Then I had to install Vista x86 on one of them for some vista media center functionality I wanted, and I've already lost track of the number of times it's BSODed, closed out programs such as Microsoft SQL Express and Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime because they performed "illegal operations", and not 2 weeks into the install, there are already missing WMI related .dll files from the WBEM folder and the dllcache folder no longer exists. And I didn't even have to install iTunes on it.

tarrantm

I tunes has crashed twice on my machine - and I'm running XP 32-bit. Not only that but the visualizer is all screwed up (glass orbs sometimes show up as white circles (as though the graphics haven't been overlayed onto them.)

Stang70Fastback

vista 32 bit. It corrupted my c: drive. I can't even run check disk like it recommends or do a system restore. Yay

jblock

FANBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

I just couldn't resist it :)

bostero2

@Jon B.: Of course I can... But I won't... or would I?

@turboke: It must be the karma thing then... Moving the mouse arround would just do it on my sister's machine...

bostero2

It seemed to work fine when i first installed iTunes Version 8, but today it's acting very weird. It's selectively deciding whether or not it wants to recognize my iPhone and it only seems willing to update apps if I select the grab purchased material from the iTunes store menu entry.I did a clean install on Vista Ultimate (32-bit) so this is very strange. I won't roast apple just yet, but this has been a bad 6 months for the "It just Works" folks and it wouldn't surprise me if they let another app into the wild without proper quality control measures.

ChristianD

A). This post is bullshit Elaine, I'm sorry. Everyone at my company runs Vista and we were all excited to download 8, did it as soon as it came up and ran it all day. Not 1 problem on about 12 machines. Personally, I have about 90 gigs of data and even the Genuis feature only took about 20 minutes to scan everything.

B). @spectator101: Screw us Vista users hu?

At a much higher software and hardware cost your product shows no significant benchmark advantage over Vista. Apple is a lifestyle and a very good product but your paying for the lifestyle aspect. In fact, you paid through the ass for that lifestyle and not all of us are willing or able to do that. Your system isn't sooo improved as to deserve the kind of arrogance and ignorance you display is my point.

Back to the topic at hand:
I ran this all day yesterday with Visualizations blaring and didn't have so much as a stutter. Vista is a great operating system contrary to the propoganda and crap I read on Giz so often. What I read doesn't match my experience in the slightest and to this point it never has.

robpruitt

Unplugging any HP printers may help. My PC had a bad case of the BSOD's every time I tried to sync my ipod until I unplugged my HP printer from the usb port.

mlwarren0

It is only happening with to people running Vista with HP printers. I had this happen quite a few times last night. I went on the apple forums and read about unplugging my printer. I was getting an immediate blue screen every time I connected my iPhone, even if it was connected after boot. Unplugging my printer worked but that's a sorry work around Apple.

easyone

@Wowwzers2:
Come back and complain about Vista when you know something about how an OS works..

User programs cannot cause a BSOD on Vista! Only code that executes in kernel mode can cause a BSOD; that includes device drivers and the kernel itself, not user programs. So the culprit is the iPod/iPhone drivers, not iTunes.

Weiman

Vista 32bit and iPhone 3G, not a problem in the world, steady as a rock. Actually it feels like iTunes 8 is even more responsive than 7.7 too... for me at least.

I allso did download the whole installer from apple.com, mayb thats the thing.

PS: 64,6MB.. SIXTYFOURPOINTSIXMEGABYTES!(?) Am I the only one that finds this, sorta, bloated? I mean, it's not even just "iTunes" any more. It should be called the "Apple iBundle" or something.

mrkokkinos

@Wowwzers2:

Actually, user programs cannot BSOD your Vista.

Only device drivers can, because they run in kernel mode (at least partially). So in culprit isn't iTunes itself, it's the iPod/iPhone drivers.

Weiman

No BSOD for me as of yet so we'll see

DozeUser

I haven't had any problems with iTunes 8 (installed over 7.7) on Vista Ultimate 32.

EricJD

@dwholler - there is a drop down when you create the playlist to set it to 25/50/100 songs. I think the most is 100.

Running Vista home prem 32 bit, no major issues...Itunes crashed once while collecting data for genius. 24800 songs and 140GB...genius took 4 tries before it could retrieve the genius recommendations back from apple, once it failed sending, Im guessing their servers were a bit overloaded last night. Set up 2 playlists and the feature really works great, I have too many songs to be patient enough to create quick playlists and picking one song and getting pandora esque playlists of my existing music is really nice...

The tile view is nice so I can search through the 333 albums I still have bad id3/album art for. Vusualization is cool.

Still would have liked something where I could find the album in the store and right click copy info to existing mp3 that were poorly tagged.

dfetzer

I'm running Vista x64, and I have not had any crashing. I had to plug in my iPod Touch a few times before it was recognized as an iPod rather than Unknown Device, then a few more times to get it to actually use USB 2.0 speeds, but then I upgraded my iPod to 2.1, and since I have had no problems at all.

TuxRug

I just upgraded from 7.7 to 8 using XP.

After upgrading I went in to ITUNES and I tried to play a few songs. Playback was incredibly choppy... I rebooted (for the second time) and it seems fine now.

I think the genius feature is kind of neat, however why limit it to exactly 25 songs? Maybe I want more or less for a particular song?

dwholler

HERES THE FIX I HAVE FOUND.

Open the iTunes 8 exe with winRar or whatever.
Open MobileDevice support.
Click Remove.

Open iTunes 7.7 exe with WinRar or whatever
Open MobileDevice Suport
Install

aeronauticsrock

The only BSOD I've had on XP or Vista in the last 3 years was my freaking 4G iPod classic. Every time I plugged it in the iPod would BSOD my XP SP2 install. I've never had a Vista BSOD, but I suppose that's because i dumped my iPod and use a Zune.

astrocramp

I think this is a great gift to the windows users, you have to love the classic BSOD that has been around since Windows 95. When will MS ever put an end to that?

redwingsmonk

Apple QC has been taking a big nose dive since the iPhone 3G launch.

Although I love my 3G to death, the cellular voice and data performance is just awful (compared to my old Sprint 3G Blackberry). Apps lock up and crash often. Then there was the launch fiasco with activation and mobile me.

Now iTunes is bluescreening - seriously, I have a ton of software and hardware and my system it *maybe* bluescreens once a month, and its not even tied to any individual app.

brundlefly76

Had to Reinstall Vista Ultimate 32 from scratch after installing itunes 8

Benitocarmona

Crashed 4 times last night Processor and HD were Idle. needed to restart 3 times then i got a NO OPERATING SYSTEM FOUND . all night long I had to ReInstall Windows Ultimate 32 again. I lost part of my music that I didint back up 1 week before. I had to do a Clean reinstall format hard drive and all. They should test the software more before rushing for delivery.

Benitocarmona

Using 32 bit Vista on a new HP quad core - no problems upgrading to iTunes 8 and syncing my iPhone 3G.

redman042

im running vista home premium and i updated from 7.7.1 , had a quick easy install (genius setup took a while tho ¬_¬ ) and im not having any problems when plugging in a 2nd gen nano (hehe... you are so replaced next week my nanoy friend :) ) or a 5th gen ipod video.

all good for me ^_^

Technogamer1992

It failed to install via the Apple software update program on my XP box...luckily, now i'm scared to install it, i have over 20,000 songs.

what's the difference between Dick Cheney and Palin....Lipstick. (I couldn't resist).

westonalan

iTouch 2.1 and iTunes 8, Vista 64 bit. Plug in the iTouch and I get a BSOD(some USBappl.sys bs)

Come on Apple. Quit pandering to the stockholders and Wall $treet. You are pushing to hard, slow down and do it right before you lease this stuff. My fault for upgrading fast but 2.02 was a joke so I hoped you had fixed the crap... Jez. Tell Jobs to quit answering the phone in tech support and start managing the company.

Morpheous

No problem here. (Vista 32bit)

Respectthebox

So, not only did they NOT fix ANY of the Vista issues with iTunes, they added MORE issues?

Apple = Jackasses

JEmlay

[blogs.tech-recipes.com]

Looks like there are issues with Logitech and HP printers....omg

Morpheous

No problems here, either. Vista 64 and iPod Touch G1, updated to 2.1 software yesterday.

davidfbecker

I had something similar to this when I installed iTunes 7, only instead of screwing up my computer it synced my iPod in such a wrong way that it ground up the hard drive.

LoganAdams

I also have Vista Ultimate 32bit, and I installed 8 over 7.7, and I do not have any problems. I have noticed that when the Genius first starts and examines all your music, iTunes uses alot of the memory (RAM). That might be a problem for some.

pammylz

Vista 32 bit Dell laptop- no problems- Yet

Tex1961

i have XP, service pack 1A (i'm a bit behind times) and iTunes 8 is problem free for me.

rimplestultskin

Oh XP, I'll never leave you ... *hugs*

navvywavvy

FSOT:

17" HP w/Vista Ultimate, will consider trade for any macbook or macbook pro. Serious inquiries only.

ARONBOARD

@bostero2: bullshit, you never owned Vista or you'd know how FOS you sound.

robpruitt

FYI, there are more issues with iTunes 8.0 than just BSOD on Vista. I lost a crapton of music during the upgrade. I didn't know what track was what. It seemed to lose the tags on about 70 songs. great. Read more about it at Cocoa Touch Apps.

[www.cocoatouchapps.com]

piano08man

Crashes EVERY time I plug in my nano. Tried downgrading to 7.7 and still shitty.

On a side note, I manually closed all apple apps (ituneshelper etc) that were running and it still happened - seems like a driver issue.

nagumi

@Morpheous: Yeah. I think we're starting to see the effects of Apple having to actually deal with demand and a larger subset of users.

I've been saying it for years. When Apple finally has to deal with regular users and not just their fanboy crowd, you'll see the chinks in the "just works" armor.

Their real strength is that most Apple users gloss over or ignore what problems do exist, but average joes aren't quite so quick to forgive.

Personally, I'd like to see Apple pick up a bit more market share, say 25-30% to really see the meltdown quicken. You Apple folks think you're starting to see premature releases and QC problems now?

That being said, it's a great thing they're out there because it forces competition for MS and all the other PC manufacturers. I'd just love to see the arrogance knocked down a few points. Hell, the Mac v. PC commercials have become sad parodies of political commercials with the blatant exaggeration and borderline falsehoods.

puppeteer23

@The Magnificen7:

Don't be so ignorant.

Derek Devine

It's working 100% on VISTA 64. No problems here.

smook

I did a clean install of iTunes v 8.0. I synced my iPhone 3G once with no problems yesterday night. I tried to update it today while using a lot of other programs, and then I got the good 'ole BSOD. I am about ready to try again with only iTunes running to see if I will get another BSOD.

bwilson14

All this discussion is doing is bringing back the apple vs windows. Personally i run windows vista. easier and more variety. oh and whats this? my first BSOD with an APPLE product. Joy. Apple are starting to pull out dirty marketing techniques.

Honestly id rather have the DX10 gaming, the thousands of programs (as opposed to macs what.. 8 programs?). Apple users, keep your opinions to yourself. your all just jealous Windows still has more of the market share.

Kage_61

ha ha ha
poor windoze

juddcarlos2003

why would vista users even bother with garbage like this? they must still be in high school...

MuglyTheWorm

@juddcarlos2003: did you just learn "windoze" this morning? you've posted it about 30 times so far. here's another one thats not original and just as lame "crapple", and owning a refurbished one doesn't make you anything but a wannabe :)

MuglyTheWorm