Phones
How Many Google Phone Engineers Does It Take to Tell the Time?
Posted by Jesus Diaz at 10:00 AM on September 24, 2008

So here I was, all excited about Android. Not because the G1's physical design is specially attractive. In fact, it's a grey design with no soul. Not because of the user interface, which at first glance reminded me of a mash-up between the Nintendo DS and a '90s Windows desktop manager. No, I was excited because this is the first post-iPhone smartphone that could be a serious challenger to Apple's mounting dominance. Then I looked closely at this image and realised the G1 will not pose a threat to Apple at all.
The problem in this promotional mock-up image is obvious: The analogue clock says it's 9:10 but the digital clock says it's 2:47.
I know. It seems like a dumb problem. But it is an obvious one. This is one of their main promotional images--which incidentally shows a T-Mobile G1 with a screen that seems to be broken, something which is bad enough on its own--and they failed to get it right. The problem with the clocks would have never escaped Apple's ferocious attention to detail, but it is not the image itself that's so troubling. It is what it symbolizes, what is missing at Android's most fundamental level: Attention to detail.
If you compare these images or look at the walkthrough video, you will see what I'm talking about: Each of them seem taken from a completely different device.
Typefaces boldly change from place to place, giving a sense of randomness to the whole interface. The same thing happens with colour schemes--going from colour over white, to colour over black, to browns combined with greens and blues, to green over white--and the way the graphic elements are treated--with solid colours or with gradients. Even the shape of the widgets and sizes look arbitrary. Finally, the icons themselves--which get different treatment from flat to fake 3D--add to the overall confusion.
Perhaps the explanation for this apparent lack of overall coherence is Android's Design by Committee nature, something that seems to plague many of Google's applications and most open-source projects. Hence the question: How many Google engineers does it take to tell the time?
Besides adding confusion, the UI problems make the whole experience ugly. A grey phone with an ugly interface with no attention to detail is not going to win over the consumers' eyes and hearts--no matter how cool Android Market or how open Android platform could be.
Whether we like it or not, the mobile phone is now such a personal part of our lives that the emotional connection between a piece of plastic and the owner plays a huge part in the purchase decision process. Enough to make people camp out for days in front of a store to get a product. The proof is that the iPhone still lacks several things that consumers want--in theory--but they can live without them because of how polished Apple's mobile phone is, because the attention to all those details, from packaging to user interface.
Would normal consumers buy into the lack of details and the apparently incoherent mess of Android's user interface? Or would they pass and continue to be dazzled by devices like the iPhone, which provide with most of the features they need in a tight, very attractive package? At the end, the fact is that this attention to detail is precisely what separates the awesome from the hhhhmmm-hookai products. I hope that the community of talented developers and designers makes some kick arse skins for this phone. But for me right now, Android is an absolute no-no.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
mike
Posted October 8, 2008 12:36 PM
time will tell my friend. Time will tell. I own I phone but love to watch the tec world go to battle.
Brdf
Posted 10:33 AM 24/9/08
@diablofreak:
Of course he does -- indirectly, through advertising. Perhaps we'll also get a different take here on Android if Google steps up its advertising budget.
That said, the phone/platform looks like crap to me. On the other hand, they don't have North Korea-style NDAs like Apple does. At some point my politics will win out over my aesthetics and I'll have to turn away from my iphone; I only hope Android gets its act together by then (and Google cleans up its own North Korea-style snooping).
Brdf
UniComp
Posted 10:33 AM 24/9/08
I'm going to guess the image is a mock-up and probably put together in photoshop and not real at all. The time discrepancy is probably completely unrelated to programming. Not saying this is fake, but probably one of those famous advertising flubs we hear a lot about.
UniComp
Adex2491
Posted 10:32 AM 24/9/08
It seems like the hands are just flipped....
Adex2491
macegr
Posted 10:32 AM 24/9/08
Actually, the analog clock doesn't say 9:10. It says 9:11. Also, 2:47...2+7 is 9, and 4+7 is 11. Coincidence? Well...yeah.
macegr
rer89
Posted 10:31 AM 24/9/08
@diablofreak: not only is a mock-up, but did anyone ever think that the analog clock may be customized to tell time for a different country?
rer89
LordieLordie
Posted 10:30 AM 24/9/08
here is something INTERESTING!
If you switch the hours and minutes hands on the Analog clock, you will get 2:47...
Interesting, no? COINCIDENCE?? you tell me..
LordieLordie
br4nd0n
Posted 10:29 AM 24/9/08
How is the clock a bad thing?
If someone takes away the plugin to have that analog clock there wouldn't be anything there to show the time.
It's like that in Windows MObile devices, and OSes.
Vista for example has the clock in the lower right, but if you have the sidebar on the desktop you can have another clock (digital or analog look).[you can get rid of one or the other easily]
To me it seems the android is more customizable and the attention to detail is good.
br4nd0n
crazyshoes
Posted 10:28 AM 24/9/08
It'll be the breadth of applications ultimately available for each device that will primarily determine which one "wins" the largest userbase.
My money is on opensource - ever seen freshmeat.net?
crazyshoes
DisposableInterloper
Posted 10:27 AM 24/9/08
Google is a bunch of engineers that fancy themselves designers. It shows in everything they do.
In any event, the moment I saw executives on rollerblades was the moment I realized Android wouldn't be as great as I was imagining it to be in the months leading up to that.
DisposableInterloper
beanPirate
Posted 10:24 AM 24/9/08
seems the point of Andoird is bieng missed here all together. Who the hell still knows how to read an analog clock. So they dont match. Type is different, backgrounds varying colors. I see that as a dynamic smart phone experience.
Plus, the UI can change as developers see fit, and give the user the options that APPLE will never give to those who keep their company running: the consumer.
beanPirate
ajlafontaine
Posted 10:23 AM 24/9/08
@kwellman: I agree with you about the mobile site completely. I have to use it in landscape orientation on my iPhone just to read the text. This should not be true for a mobile site.
To comment on this article:
After all the minor problems I've had with my iPhone 3G I was definitely considering switching to an android phone. After the finding out all of the facts and reading numerous articles bashing and praising android, I will say that this is a huge no go for me. The only thing I am jealous of is open-source, which is why my iphone will be jailbroken this weekend.
ajlafontaine
wenderson
Posted 10:22 AM 24/9/08
@JB007: Yes, as it's completely tight up to the google services like GMail.
wenderson
jblock
Posted 10:20 AM 24/9/08
@kwellman: AGREED!
jblock
vgart
Posted 10:20 AM 24/9/08
Yeah...I don't see anything that different from any other regular phone. Its just a phone.
vgart
bsoft
Posted 10:18 AM 24/9/08
You're complaining about different color schemes and fonts on a device while comparing it to the iPhone? Are you kidding me?
The iPhone has no fewer than 3 different color schemes (black, white, brown), and even the top bar changes. The notes application has it's annoying cursive font.
The G1 has some problems (no headphone jack), but it's a good start.
bsoft
The_Duck
Posted 10:18 AM 24/9/08
Looks to me like someone doesn't know the difference between the hour and minute hands. Just revers 'em and the time would match the digital clock. But, yeah... Silly oversight...
The_Duck
nightsky
Posted 10:17 AM 24/9/08
@JB007: um, you said that already.
nightsky
ripfire
Posted 10:16 AM 24/9/08
Some people call it "Lack of Attention to Detail", others call it "Easter Eggs".
ripfire
ClintonOddfellow
Posted 10:14 AM 24/9/08
Although it may be uglier than the iPhone, it's still prettier than Windows Mobile. I'd hope that it functions better as well, WiMo has a ton of brain damages that are good user interface designs on paper, but not in the real world. I find myself making mental workarounds all the time. Android could be beat with the ugly stick from now til' doomsday, and I'd use it, provided it functions better than Windows Mobile.
ClintonOddfellow
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 10:13 AM 24/9/08
To be fair, Apple's attention to detail in advertising doesn't change the fact that push email, 3G, and basic call quality failed to work as advertised out of the box.
OMG! Ponies!
diablofreak
Posted 10:11 AM 24/9/08
if google allows everyone to build open apps and not force the phone on any network (well, CDMA excluded), then we may have a winner here.
functionality > aesthetics
diablofreak
kwellman
Posted 10:10 AM 24/9/08
HOLY F-ING CHRIST... GIZMODO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE WIRELESS VERSION?
I can't comment, it looks different, lots of bullcrap ads supported by some gay wireless company.
WTF?
Seriously.
I want my gizmodo back the way it used to be ;)
kwellman
ripfire
Posted 10:09 AM 24/9/08
You know, I'm sure hardly anyone would have noticed until this was pointed out.
ripfire
Pixelologist
Posted 10:09 AM 24/9/08
WIll Android dream of iPhone sheep?
Pixelologist
JHB8000
Posted 10:09 AM 24/9/08
Who the flip cares if its a mock-up? They're using this as one of the main images for putting the G1, and therefore Android, out to the public, which has largely been unaware of it until now. What is the impression that this is going to leave, with the phone showing two very different times, with the average consumer?
Android will be something great...one day. Right now its a hot inconsistent mess. Until Google learns that the game has moved on since Android was first announced, they'll lag behind competitors.
JHB8000
Evangelion
Posted 10:09 AM 24/9/08
"Would normal consumers buy into the lack of details and the apparently incoherent mess of Android's user interface? Or would they pass and continue to be dazzled by devices like the iPhone, which provide with most of the features they need in a tight, very attractive package?"
I stopped reading after that. Android, though, looks pretty amazing. And this is comming from an iPhone 3G user.
Evangelion
Max.N
Posted 10:07 AM 24/9/08
I@diablofreak:
It is a mock-up, but it is a terrible one that should never have made it past any decent art directors desk.
Max.N
dc-united
Posted 10:06 AM 24/9/08
Yeah, sloppiness is a killer, esp. when you're trying to make a big impression.
But that can be fixed. Does it function well as a phone and internet device? Does it have decent battery life? Those are bigger issues, IMO.
I think the device itself is butt-ugly compared to the iPhone, but I have used plenty of really ugly devices because they worked so well.
dc-united
JB007
Posted 10:04 AM 24/9/08
Does Android send anything you upload directly to google for safekeeping until it can be used against you in court some way or another like Chrome?
JB007
Jad35
Posted 10:04 AM 24/9/08
haha thats funny
Jad35
JB007
Posted 10:04 AM 24/9/08
Does Android send anything you upload directly to Google for safekeeping to use against you in court like Chrome does?
JB007
diablofreak
Posted 10:04 AM 24/9/08
sometimes i wonder if steve jobs pay to keep this site running?
it's a mock up.
diablofreak
delmuerte
Posted 10:51 AM 24/9/08
Yes, Android is new, it's got some kinks to work out.
Don't any of you guys at Gizmodo realize that soon enough there will be skins and everything else that will undoubtedly make the UI more coherent? Did you stop to think that maybe there is already skins in place and different phones with different users are using different skins?
It seems like you guys are really going way out of your way to crap on this endeavor which is already facing an uphill battle.
Pointing out these really petty oversights is self-defeating as well, because without any competition, you Apple nuts are just going to have to be satisfied with your cut & paste-free existence because no one will goad Cupertino into fixing it.
This kind of editorializing is the worst, most short-sighted kind, and I'm pretty shocked to see it here.
delmuerte
diabolusunknownTheSecond
Posted 10:51 AM 24/9/08
While i personally prefer WM, the thing that is great about this and WM is that this can be a Google phone, with all the look and feel Google intended.
When someone gets around to it, it can become the iPhone, with all the look and feel of the iphone, and its boring interface.
The iPhone will forever only be the iPhone. At least Android (and WM with cooked ROMS) give you choice to make it look like whatever you want, or whatever is available.
Unlike the drones who love off Apple and will only like what is offered by their overlord, WM and Google will allow you to define the experience you want with your phone, and that puts it leagues ahead of Apple already.
diabolusunknownTheSecond
godwhacker
Posted 10:50 AM 24/9/08
i just went thru the walk-through, and i thought that the apps were just fine. now, i will admit that i am a function over form guy. and as such i will never get the "tight, very attractive package" sort of wailing that was done here. this is a new direction, and the each of the parts, at this point is more important to function, as opposed to just looking good. and it appears that the pieces DO function.
if i could have one, that i didn't need a data plan for, with just regular old wi-fi capability for the rare times when i need a browser away from my computer, i would be dumping "the V" when my contract expires.
one other thing, the cocked screen appears to be caused by the way the screen swings out. i'm pretty sure that within 6 openings, i would just jeef it square without thinking about it
godwhacker
DiscoDapper
Posted 10:48 AM 24/9/08
Soo... how much did Steve Jobs pork out for this hit job?
That said, it is really brutal, but typical of the Gawker hipster crowd.
Did anyone really expect anything other than a phone that works as promised for this iteration? It has always been a given that the first Android consumer device would initially deliver a skeleton/major organs for the developers to experiment with and that the community will thereafter provide the flesh and skin. Compare a vanilla Ubuntu install to a fully fleshed out KDE monster desktop. Just wait a few months. The major coup here is the proper multitasking capability. Smooth and pretty to follow.
Frak y'all pretty boy posin' Apple boot lickin tards...
DiscoDapper
jozen
Posted 10:48 AM 24/9/08
in fact, every iphone picture say 9:42 which is the exact minute steve announced the iphone at macworld 2007
jozen
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
Posted 10:46 AM 24/9/08
The answer is obvious. The digital clock shows Google (of G-Time as I like to call it) time while the analog shows the time for the rest of us..
Jrsy is the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude
glinden9
Posted 10:45 AM 24/9/08
@rer89: Um, no. Because it's not just the hours, but the minutes are off as well.
glinden9
Leonard Nimrod
Posted 10:44 AM 24/9/08
@Adex2491: If that were the case the hour hand (represented in the pic as the minute hand) would either be on the 2 or 3/4 of the way to the 3, depending on the gear type.
Leonard Nimrod
Leonard Nimrod
Posted 10:42 AM 24/9/08
@rer89: What country has an x hour and 36 minute difference from most of the world. I know fo time zones that are x hour and 30 minutes different, but not 36 minutes.
The next argument would be that it's a stopwatch or an alarm, but there is no start/stop buttons on the clock to give the impression of a stopwatch, and nothing on the clock to give the impression of an alarm. Furthermore, the whole idea of an analog, fixed numbered clock on a cell phone is ludicrous at best, unless it's a training tool for young kids.
Leonard Nimrod
Dearhaw
Posted 10:42 AM 24/9/08
@rer89:
I don't know what country would be 9:12 (AM/PM) when it's 2:47PM in the US. Or wherever, for that matter.
Actually, I do. No country, is the answer.
Dearhaw
beardedkid
Posted 10:39 AM 24/9/08
Kinda reminds me of how sometimes Hasbro posts images of Transformers mis-transformed on their websites. Sometimes the ones in sunday catalogs are even worse. I saw an $50 toy once that looked like a pile of lego bricks in the same color scheme as Optimus Prime, just not him.
beardedkid
JHB8000
Posted 10:36 AM 24/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!:
3G was AT&T's problem, not Apple's. Push email? Well, I've never had a problem. Same goes with call quality. As a matter of fact, I get better call quality than I used to get on Verizon.
JHB8000
skittlzncombos
Posted 10:35 AM 24/9/08
I'm pretty certain attention to detail still fails at Apple. Lets' see, the iPod touch came out a while back, and on the site showed bluetooth icons in several photos, and yet, that doesn't exist. So get you head out of Apple's ass for once Jesus. yeah, the phone may be no iPhone, but hell, neither is any other phone, ever. I'll take this time to call the waaambulance for you.
skittlzncombos
socioecoboy
Posted 10:35 AM 24/9/08
OK, but don't tell me the iPhone 2.0 Launch was "ferocious attention to detail."
My iPhone was crap until the 2.1 update came out.
socioecoboy
macegr
Posted 10:34 AM 24/9/08
@LordieLordie: No, you would get a time that doesn't make sense. The hour hand would have to be almost on 3.
macegr
skittlzncombos
Posted 11:12 AM 24/9/08
@someToast: When it comes to product shots, which are most often mockups, yeah, a skin will do just fine.
skittlzncombos
someToast
Posted 11:10 AM 24/9/08
@delmuerte: Right. Because UI isn't about flow or which controls are shown when and how. It's all about slapping on a skin.
someToast
Charging_Mooses
Posted 11:09 AM 24/9/08
i dont think we can base our entire veiw of the phone on one mock up the software.... i think this is over analyzing. the thing.
Charging_Mooses
Adex2491
Posted 11:08 AM 24/9/08
@Leonard Nimrod: True... Idk, I'm just trying to give them a break, I mean it's just a simple mock-up.
Adex2491
someToast
Posted 11:06 AM 24/9/08
@Evangelion: I stopped reading after "I stopped reading after that". I'm going to assume the the rest of your reply was about puppies.
someToast
Bokusatsu_Tenshi
Posted 11:01 AM 24/9/08
Sorry Jesus, but I think you're reading too much into it.
I agree it'd be good if the ads were more consistent, but it's still too soon to judge the cellphone. Specially from a mistake that could be only from the advertising company that did the ad, or department... which quite frankly, will hardly affect what matters the most on Google Android: It's funcionality.
But here's what I think- The REAL problem with topics like these and the overall mood around Apple fanboys is exactly this: reading too much into ads, keynotes and other stuff. Pre-judging both Apple products and Apple competitor's products. Giving more value to unimportant stuff than to the real points of a product.
Now, I'm not saying that a nice box and nice ads are useless, but it's also far from truth that a little inconsistency on ads is enough to say that Google Android engineers are not paying enough attention to details.
It's like saying "Gizmodo has lots of dumb commenters, so the writers must also be dumb". You're judging one thing for another.
But anyways, about Google Android, I'm not even interested in it right now. But as far as I can see, problems like the one criticized are easy to fix (if is indeed a problem), and Google Android also has great potential to get better and better over time.
It can also fail miserably, but maybe I'll just wait to have a better idea before bashing it...
I just think that iPhone fans needs to be less worried and less on the defensive... a little competition is always good, and I'm absolutely shure that if Google Android delivers, Apple will soon be preparing a response to it.
Which will be good for both Apple fans and haters... and those who are neither too.
Bokusatsu_Tenshi
teddlesruss
Posted 10:59 AM 24/9/08
Sounds just like early linuxes to me, or anything else that's OSS. First iterations are more functional than aesthetic, then they get frills on the bells and whistles.
Not sure I like the totally lopsided review, using total negativity as a device seems like a cheap way to get a few hundred words out. Dunno about your other readers and commenters, but I read articles to get a balanced review, not some fanatical jihad against a product. (Unless that product is Jihad Bomber Suit 2.0 - and even then, some of your readership might want to see a balanced review... %)
teddlesruss
Neone
Posted 10:59 AM 24/9/08
Well, there you have it people. The android, the phone you have all been waiting for 'which is so much better then the iPhone in every way etc. etc.' like all you flamers for the past month orso.
I think 'open source' in this context actually means 'can't be bothered to finish' or 'let's make money out of other people's efforts'. Because that's what Google is doing.
I am not at all impressed. It's boring, dull, cheap and the GUI is all wrong. Have fun with it. This is a really bad start to promote such an 'important' step in the development of mobile phone OSes.
Neone
robokasey
Posted 10:54 AM 24/9/08
so... does it seem like he's reviewing a product by pictures? i mean its easy to say the iphone is great because its only one device. andriod works on more than one device so every one might be different. i dunno i'll reserve my judgements till i can work with it myself instead of relying on pictures
robokasey
SgtToastie
Posted 11:29 AM 24/9/08
To answer everyone's question, that clock app was a 10 minute code job done by the development team, not an app that had any significant time put into it. One of the Android developers was quoted on that as an example at how easy it is to right apps for the Android OS (I don't expect perfection out of 10 minutes)
SgtToastie
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 11:25 AM 24/9/08
@JHB8000: 3G was partly AT&T's problem. It was also partly from Apple's firmware pulling too much power from the antennas. See [techblog.dallasnews.com]
Push e-mail was such a problem that Apple pulled it from the promoted features within two weeks of the iPhone 3G's release and even Mossberg gave a failing grade to the MobileMe service. See [blogs.zdnet.com]
And while you may not have had dropped call problems, enough people did that it wound up on The USA Today's radar. See [www.usatoday.com]
I leave you with this final thought on truth in advertising:
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OMG! Ponies!
VulnoX
Posted 11:24 AM 24/9/08
@DSGC: Haha, thats pretty funny. I love my 3G, but just saying, in the context of how this article was written, since we are assuming what people will think, it almost makes it look like it took the dude two days to browse those websites.
Damn Edge network! (I know it was on Wifi, just let my joke work this one time).
VulnoX
VulnoX
Posted 11:22 AM 24/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: Yeah not sure what you were reading, but my Push E-mail has worked from day 1, both in Exchange and with MobilMe. My call quality is better than it was with Sprint (EVDO Rev. A Network too).
The 3G thing was partially Apple's fault, I guess they were too conservative with the phones signal meter? Whatever, it was never an issue for me and I think it was a smaller issue than it was made out to be here. Maybe I am just in a really good 3G network area though.
VulnoX
DSGC
Posted 11:22 AM 24/9/08
First of all look at the Calendar icon at the beginnig and at the end of this video (It's one of the videos Apple released in 2007 to show the major iPhone features) .
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So I guess Google isn't the only one who can't tell the time correctly.
I consider myself an Apple Fanboy, but that doesn't mean Apple doesn't make mistakes. And the same way Android's interface changes in different apps, so does the iPhone's interface. I don't really like the icons and menus Google designed because they're don't look as glossy and classy as the iPhone icons do, but this is the first try so I just think we gotta give Google some time and Android will just get better and better.
DSGC
wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!
Posted 11:17 AM 24/9/08
I'm ready to turn away from my iPhone-- the consistent 'beta' nature of what isn't in any way beta firmware is really wearing down my love for the device. My first-gen phone develops a new bug for every one they patch, and my best friend's 3G has gone completely bugnuts since 2.1-- the aGPS randomly refuses to acquire, the call drops haven't become any fewer, and the accelerometers lag significantly. The app store, which I expected to truly love, has left me feeling entirely nonplussed. And I won't kick the dead horse that is AT&T's suddenly god-awful (and non-hurricane related) coverage in Texas. I want out, and I'd like to join the Android army, but between the extreme ugliness of the Dream (seriously, in a year that we've seen both the Touch HD and the X1, this ugly piece of shit is HTC's grand Android barrage?) and the discernible lack of polish on the UI, I can't conceive of making the jump-- even in one of T-Mobile's working 3G markets. The iPhone is a total point of frustration for me, but I have to acknowledge that it has permanently changed my expectations of what a mobile phone's user interface has to bring to the table. And until someone from Google realises no one wants to eat a rotten-looking cookie, no matter what the thing's taste, I'll be looking somewhere else for my mobile needs.
wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!
someToast
Posted 11:16 AM 24/9/08
@skittlzncombos: Sorry, those six photos looked like actual product running on actual phones to me.
someToast
Brian Lam
Posted 11:47 AM 24/9/08
@kwellman: My apologies. We're working on it.
Brian Lam
Seinosuke
Posted 11:42 AM 24/9/08
@rer89: Pretty sure if that was the case, it would say what country above/under the clock. Unless there's a feature where you and your phone keep little secrets.
Seinosuke
DisposableInterloper
Posted 11:40 AM 24/9/08
@br4nd0n:
It's not the clock. It's the seeming lack of a global clock function.
DisposableInterloper
faux_codex
Posted 11:40 AM 24/9/08
@VulnoX: Actually the NYT front page says Jan 4th, so maybe it DID take that long to browse.
faux_codex
jvt
Posted 11:38 AM 24/9/08
This is how they put their best foot forward and still the dang phone looks like ass (and it's not just the clock). Even Motorola can make the latest razr look like a decent piece of kit.
We can all pretend that a polished UI doesn't matter when it comes to tech, but HTC has shown with its Touch phones that it does.
Function doesn't have to sacrifice form. Hopefully the next Google phone will figure that out.
jvt
bobpal
Posted 11:37 AM 24/9/08
Yea, that's it Giz, those Google guys are so stupid but you on the other hand . . .
bobpal
Tirko™
Posted 12:09 PM 24/9/08
@Pixelologist: I think there should be a bestmodo for who quotes the Dick more often.
well said.
Tirko™
Metkis
Posted 12:07 PM 24/9/08
I think it's Android's openness that solves this. I understand a product should be ready when it's ready, but in my eyes this is only a great excuse for devs to create and even creamier interface.
I guess I'm just really hopeful for devs though.
Metkis
jblackhall
Posted 12:05 PM 24/9/08
@The_Duck: glad I'm not the only one who realized this.
jblackhall
boisdeteck
Posted 11:58 AM 24/9/08
Right on. I suspect that in a year or two, the only ones running this platform on their phones will segregate in some computer laden den of geekery.
boisdeteck
zmjjmz
Posted 11:57 AM 24/9/08
@crazyshoes: Or Sourceforge.
Or the Debian repos. Lotsa fu software in the Debian repos.
zmjjmz
rudez90
Posted 12:30 PM 24/9/08
excellent article. too bad most people are just gonna accuse you of being a fanboy.
rudez90
graverobber- It says Loud Pipes Save Lives
Posted 12:28 PM 24/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: You know, I don't want to come across as an Apple apologist, but I really like MobileMe. It's worked just fine for me since it started. I feel like I must be the only person in the world who actually likes the service.
I don't have an iPhone so I can't comment on how that works.
graverobber- It says Loud Pipes Save Lives
hardcache
Posted 12:27 PM 24/9/08
@diablofreak: @Seinosuke:
maybe Hiro controls the analog clock, and nature controls the digital clock.
hardcache
cabasse
Posted 12:25 PM 24/9/08
it's not that it's wrong, just that the hands are backwards.... plus a few minutes.
ok it's just wrong.
cabasse
Bittermormon
Posted 12:14 PM 24/9/08
so is this the same attention to detail that made veryone thing the iPod touch would have BT? Remember when it first came out, they used a mock-up from teh iphone that had a BT symbol?
[gizmodo.com]
Bittermormon
Y2KGTP
Posted 12:49 PM 24/9/08
any reason the analog clock is at 9:11?
Y2KGTP
Tank
Posted 12:40 PM 24/9/08
My wife has had WM, Palm, a couple candy bar phones and a few flip phones and has hated them all. I bought her an iPhone 3G and my sex life is through the roof!
Three of her friends have bought iPhones on her recommendation. I was there when she was showing her phone to a friend. All she did was show the red dots with numbers in them telling her how many phone calls she'd missed, text messages she needed to read and emails she hadn't opened. Her friend was blown away and bought one a few days later.
Most people (who don't read giz) don't want to take time to learn a new interface, they just want to ignore their phone, go shopping then have margaritas...like my wife and her friends.
Tank
drummr
Posted 12:39 PM 24/9/08
maybe the only problem is that. the minute hand means the hour hand and the hour hand means the minute had.
if you read it like that it reads 2:46ish.
thats close enough for me.
i'll probably end up getting one. just to support the cause.
it does need polishing, but what device doesnt.
drummr
kalexander
Posted 1:10 PM 24/9/08
This really was an excellent article. Some will accuse the author of being a fanboy, but the article makes an excellent point--one which cannot be ignored by a simple "fanboy" remark.
I am a fan of the iPhone, but previously I loved Symbian, and was a prior Palm user. You can't convince me, hell I can't convince myself, to use WinMo, no matter how many times I've tried.
This article captures the essence that is the iPhone. It makes an excellent argument and I applaud the author for it.
kalexander
jrghoull
Posted 1:07 PM 24/9/08
@someToast:
they're frozen images taken off of a computer...how would you know if they are real or not?
jrghoull
jrghoull
Posted 1:04 PM 24/9/08
@Y2KGTP:
yeah, didnt you hear? everyone at google is a terrorist.
jrghoull
jrghoull
Posted 1:01 PM 24/9/08
@jvt:
"We can all pretend that a polished UI doesn't matter when it comes to tech, but HTC has shown with its Touch phones that it does."
what i dont get about what you just said is why you speak of it as such a finite piece of software. if anything they have established that it is only in its early phase and is meant to be worked on and developed by individual companies/developers
"Function doesn't have to sacrifice form. Hopefully the next Google phone will figure that out."
tell me, when you help it in your hand and tried it out, what is it that you liked least about it?
jrghoull
NeoXY
Posted 12:59 PM 24/9/08
@diablofreak:
...have you seen Apple products lately?
NeoXY
jrghoull
Posted 12:57 PM 24/9/08
@bobpal: (snickers)
jrghoull
jrghoull
Posted 12:55 PM 24/9/08
@dc-united:
you actually make a pretty good point there.
the question that i think (correct me if i'm wrong dc) that dc is making is how functional of a device is it? the clock is bad, and differences from appearance here and there is bad, but thats all spit and polish stuff. the machine is open source, the device isnt coming out for a month, and there are going to be updates. i am guessing these issues wont be fixed before it comes out...but i am guessing they will be fixed in an amount of that that is just a little over what is reasonable for something like this (aka a few months)
its open source, and it's a major OS. will it beat the iphone in useability? maybe...maybe not. all i know is that al this article really says is that if/when i get this thing, the wont be 100% ready yet. which is okay, because i know eventually even if it doesnt become the most useable thing ever, it'll definitely face some improvements.
jrghoull
melikespi
Posted 12:55 PM 24/9/08
First of all, the clock looks like a mock-up to me. Did you notice that the video of the G1 that Gizmodo posted had both clocks synchronized?
GIVE IT TIME. Android is trying to do MUCH more than the iPhone/WinMo/Palm guys did in their first year. Google just doesn't have a bunch of people trying to "sex up" the iphone and make it into this year's fashion trend.
With Android, google is attempting to have the smartphone viewed as another computing platform. Unlike say, Apple, which still has the training wheels/leash/fence on the iPhone. Open development will be good for Google and their competitors.
melikespi
hebrewhammer770
Posted 1:32 PM 24/9/08
@Seinosuke: phone porn mode?
hebrewhammer770
Kartune
Posted 1:29 PM 24/9/08
seriously
i cant help but notice that every review basically tells you how much better apple is than the product they're reviewing. Although apple does make some good stuff, they are not ALWAYS better than their competitor.
Kartune
someToast
Posted 1:27 PM 24/9/08
@SgtToastie: Apparently not that easy. ; )
someToast
albtms
Posted 1:14 PM 24/9/08
Those clock hands most definitely do not match the digital time, even if switched. That is, unless you folks have never looked at a real clock. If it were really 2:47, then the hour hand would be much closer to the 3 than it is in the pic.
Anyhow, I do agree that in its current state, Android more of a Star Wars droid. It's got the "hey look" factor but people are more likely to pick Number Six from Battlestar Galactica. But I'm sure it'll pick up over time, given that Google's disturbing rise in power and the general acceptance of open-source software.
I mean, when was the last time a piece of software came out flawlessly? I honestly think it might've been MS-DOS 5.0.
albtms
m-p{3}
Posted 1:53 PM 24/9/08
This is a minor issue, it can be streamlined with time. However, the absence of a 3.5mm headphone jack is a crime against humanity.
m-p{3}
inkswitch
Posted 1:51 PM 24/9/08
@diablofreak: "Functionality is greater than aesthetics"... sounds like something an engineer would say. I can give you three clear examples where that is untrue:
1) Clothing. If you dress to leave the house, chances are you've made at least one aesthetics over function decision.
2) Food. I suspect if you went to your local restaurant and they served your dinner in a mixed up pile instead of trying to replicate the way it looks on the menu, you'd send it right back.
3) Mating. Not one of us here (who has ever had a mate) has not chosen aesthetics over function when it comes to members of the opposite sex more times than we'd care to admit.
If it's true for such fundamental issues as these, it's probably true across the board. Functionality is important, but humans will sacrifice important functions to get simple, elegant, consistent or beautiful experiences a lot more often than the typical engineer can ever imagine.
inkswitch
bbnick
Posted 1:51 PM 24/9/08
i wonder if jesus is on cupertino's payroll?
bbnick
apeguero
Posted 1:49 PM 24/9/08
Sorry guys but have you noticed the time on the iPhone in Apple's web page? There are two times. The time on the iPhone clock is 9:42am and the time on the icon for the clock is 10:15.
Now, I'm not defending the Android phone but, unless this clock on the Android is supposed to be a working clock, then I could see reason to raise this as an issue. And if it's not and it's just a big old icon like that on the iPhone then what am I missing on this story? But, what if it's two different timezone time? The time on top of the screen could be the local time while the time on the big clock on that home screen could be a 2nd time at a different timezone.
apeguero
astrograph
Posted 1:40 PM 24/9/08
maybe the analog clock is a world time? but then it would say a timezone or country around it... i'd give it a good 6 months to fancy up
astrograph
Evangelion
Posted 1:36 PM 24/9/08
@someToast: But it wasn't about puppies. =(
Evangelion
loslosbaby
Posted 2:00 PM 24/9/08
Sorry guys...the biggest new product from arguably the biggest tech company in the world...its HeathKit. Its made from parts. The way the unveiled it either shows contempt for the marketing process or, that they just don't have to care enough to know that there is one.
(Am I gonna be disappeared by saying that? Am I going to be in some George Clooney movie about limitless corporate power and greed? It doesn't pay to mess with dudes that have THREE party jets)
loslosbaby
the_caveat
Posted 1:56 PM 24/9/08
Is it possible that we're seeing the second-counting hand frozen over the hour hand?
Anyone got an android phone to tell us what this app looks like?
the_caveat
The Brain
Posted 2:32 PM 24/9/08
Wait a second, you thought Google had any modicum of design sense? Have you seen their logo?
The time on the clock is right, they just mixed up the short and long hands.
The Brain
Discosis
Posted 2:25 PM 24/9/08
It's nice to see some discussion on this level.
I appreciate a good user interface, and Android's worried me (at the back of my mind, in a nagging "hope they get it right" kind of way) for a while.
Discosis
phuzzy
Posted 2:14 PM 24/9/08
Android is completely underwhelming. Its like WinMo, but with an even worse UI and half the functionality.
phuzzy
darklybishop
Posted 2:50 PM 24/9/08
ugly ass phone
darklybishop
FuturePastNow
Posted 2:46 PM 24/9/08
I don't think anyone is shocked that Android is not an iPhone "killer," any more than (insert MP3 player) is an iPod killer, for the same reasons.
But come on. You can't label Android a failure after one phone has been out less than a day. In six months, there will be a dozen Android OS phones in every possible form factor. Then we can step back and decide if Google has screwed up or not.
FuturePastNow
JayPhelps
Posted 3:14 PM 24/9/08
@The_Duck:
ditto
JayPhelps
redkamel
Posted 3:10 PM 24/9/08
@inkswitch: I have, unfortunately, chosen function over aesthetcs MULTIPLE times when it came to mating, and let me tell you, stick with aesthetics.
redkamel
Cobol_Mongol
Posted 3:06 PM 24/9/08
What? I don't get it. I am from India. I live in San Diego. I want to know the time in India and locally. What is it called???? Missing the word....Dual Time? Why not?
Cobol_Mongol
toastandlove
Posted 2:59 PM 24/9/08
The hour and minute hands are mixed up. That is, if it were 2:47, that hour hand would be the minute hand, and the minute hand would be the hour hand, positionally on the clock. It looks like whoever was charged with creating this mockup doesn't get how analog clocks work.
It is silly, and shouldn't have gotten past any art director, true. But I don't think it's quite as big a deal as you make it out to be.
toastandlove
misterburglund
Posted 3:44 PM 24/9/08
Okay, I'm confused. With all technology, updates occur and things get better as people provide feedback. Android can and will only get better. Pretty fucking awesome first try if you ask me.
misterburglund
ttech10
Posted 4:05 PM 24/9/08
@rer89: In what country is it possible to have a different hour AND minute number? I'll be waiting...
ttech10
spivak26
Posted 3:54 PM 24/9/08
@The_Duck:
good thing i decided to read the comments before posting, cause i was about to say the same thing
spivak26
codemagic
Posted 4:33 PM 24/9/08
@OMG! Ponies!: @OMG! Ponies!: Yes, push email & 3G were a flop out of the pipe...and then what happened? The Jobster made heads roll (literally, check the Apple HQ hedges) and they fixed it.
Do you think the Google Android wonks are going to fire their marketing division over this? Hardly. They'll yawn at the reaction to their shoddy interface and go right on making products the way they want. They're like Apple in many ways except the part where they listen to what goes on outside the HQ grounds.
codemagic
iPeg
Posted 4:30 PM 24/9/08
jesus: Beginning with the stupid clock-mistake as an intro for an article about real UI-Design issues may have not been the smartest idea.
someone: Stating that "the developers will fix the interface" is absolutly no excuse. Because, not even IF a developer would make a good UI (That does not include the obvious "alien-skin", "chrome-skin" and "windows-vista-skin") you can't tell consumers that your produkt sucks, but they can go on the internet and improve it theirself with the help of others.
iPeg
iPeg
Posted 4:17 PM 24/9/08
Let's state the extremly obvious:
Not a single company managed to do by now, what apple did more than 1 year ago. Every carrier, phonemaker, serviceprovider and my grandma failed to make a phone that's better than the iPhone and here is why:
When the iPhone was released all these companies didn't take it seriously enough. Then someone exec in the company get's one, is blown away by how great it is - suddenly is overcome by fear - and then tries to explain his team in an emergency meeting why the iphone is so good, and that we have to start right now!
But all they do is make a list of features the iphone has and a list of features it's lacking, and then build a phone with all these features and pay a company that knows nothing about mobile interfaces to make a 3D-Shiny-Glossy Interface, which runs ontop of shitty Mobile OS and shitty hardware, which than of course fails to render it as smooth as on the iphone. They even copy the "feature" "delivering a keynote with a teaserpage", but can't get their shit togheter and NOT bore us to death with what they believe, think, have done and will maybe do, like they usually do to bore each other.
These companies all made great mobile phones, back when no one was talking about operating systems, browsers and e-mails to go, but now that they have to make little, easy to use pocket-computers, they suddenly all run around like retarded, multiheaded, shizophrenic idiots presenting one piece of crap after another, all screaming "I just proved how many people in my company do more than just their job - not a single person"
iPeg
iPeg
Posted 4:35 PM 24/9/08
@melikespi:
It's not about "sexing it up" when you're done. That's more like the biggest mistake to beginn with. All everyone ever does is use Symbian, Windows and now Android and put a skin on it, when what is really needed, is a well made User Interface to beginn with - and than build a phone around it.
iPeg
gmjhowe
Posted 5:41 PM 24/9/08
Amen.
gmjhowe
ttech10
Posted 5:38 PM 24/9/08
@MrBlahBlah: Hence the title... how many does it take to tell time. Perhaps they should have put the word "correct" in the title.
Reading the little/big hands on a clock would be telling time wrong, thus the wondering of "how many it would take for them to be able to tell the [correct] time?"
ttech10
11010010
Posted 5:37 PM 24/9/08
exactly my impression. the gui looks inconsistent. and that already form the start of the device.
i understand that there are many who don't care, but for the normal user, a consistent interface helps a lot to find the way around. how can you assume that something is a button if a button looked totally different in another app on the same device?
and the argument, that the communit will fix that.. well, good luck.
11010010
ttech10
Posted 5:35 PM 24/9/08
@garci66: It's hard to explain, but I mean like how can the time be xx:47 and xx:10. There are differences in the minute digits but only by increments of :05... not :37.
ttech10
MrBlahBlah
Posted 5:24 PM 24/9/08
they reversed the small and the big hands on the clock.
MrBlahBlah
garci66
Posted 5:21 PM 24/9/08
@ttech10: Actually, countries like india or Sri Lanka use a +5:30 or +4:30 timezones, and Nepal, +5:45. So some countries do run at different
see here: [en.wikipedia.org]
Wait no more...
"minutes".. Still, none match the picture ;-)
garci66
Jesus Diaz
Posted 6:25 PM 24/9/08
@iPeg: I think you haven't got the point of the article. It's not about just the UI. It's attention to detail everywhere, starting with the promotional images.
Jesus Diaz
Jesus Diaz
Posted 6:23 PM 24/9/08
@rer89: Yeah, because time zones are 47 minutes apart. Do you two actually read the articles or "think"?
Jesus Diaz
Ginsu
Posted 6:22 PM 24/9/08
*pulls iPhone out of pocket, checks time*
*looks at G1*
*LOLLERCAUST*
Way to FAIL, Google.
Ginsu
LostAtoll
Posted 6:47 PM 24/9/08
google should stick to storing private information on the entire country and stay out of the phone world.
LostAtoll
johcagaorl
Posted 6:58 PM 24/9/08
@Jesus Diaz: Actually the problem is that the long and short arms are backwards. (the one over the two is a little behind also, but hmm)
johcagaorl
aqtrans
Posted 8:15 PM 24/9/08
@JHB8000: I'm willing to bet the 'average consumer' isn't going to notice something as small as a time difference between the two clocks.
aqtrans
tvinstall
Posted 8:27 PM 24/9/08
Tend to agree but have to say am not impressed by the Iphone, the Win 7 mobile looks better (certainly more flexible).
Google should inject the Android team with Chrome management and then maybe they will come up with something decent.
tvinstall
aqtrans
Posted 8:20 PM 24/9/08
@11010010: The WinMo community has done a pretty good job of 'fixing' WinMo. They've at least kept my Wizard up to date, I'm running the same build of WM6.1 as the Diamond. They've even tried their best to mask the ugliness that is the WM interface.
aqtrans
scuba_steve
Posted 8:40 PM 24/9/08
@diablofreak: Actually, I don't think you could be more wrong. Those 'aesthetics' you're talking about are the UI and that is what gives you access to all that functionality you think is so important.
Whilst I love open source as a concept, I think its strengths don't lie with user interface design. Thousands of people around the world fixing bugs is a brilliant idea, but thousands of people trying to have a say in how something should look? Frankly that terrifies me.
Whilst Apple go beyond what I'd like in terms of exerting control, I think Android is going to show that functionality is not king, and more is not always better. I want a well integrated, beautifully designed UI if I'm going to have to look at it all day. I don't want to rely on a bunch of disparate, poorly integrated apps to make up for holes in the basic software.
scuba_steve
Abner_Doon77
Posted 8:38 PM 24/9/08
I dont really care the UI while it's enough functional. The really important key here is the SDK of the Android. It's free, and you can install in whatever the system you want. So, you've got about 100x more developers for this platform than the iPhone. Have you see the barcode reader program for Android that tells you which shops near to you have the better prices for the product you've just taken a picture?, the biometric recognition software to validate the user? the compass street view? Get your Apple "you users don´t know what you want, i tell you what you want and what you like, because you don`t have style sense" restricted iPhone. Software functionality is the important thing, as computers and phones converge. And in the computer scene, Apple will be forever a minor protagonist as long it' does not change its philosophy. Even more if it's closed platform, still does not work until 2.1 version, or has serious security flaws.
Abner_Doon77
Blue_Six
Posted 9:10 PM 24/9/08
Apple fucked up way WAY worse when their promotional iPod Touch mockup had a bluetooth icon in the status bar and the rumors, speculations and fruitlessly dissected iPod Touches went on for months and months.
So while I am an Apple user and fan, the opening statement about Apple's "ferocious attention to detail" was completely uncalled for.
Blue_Six
nikeplr
Posted 9:22 PM 24/9/08
Couldn't that be a world clock widget??....giving you the preference to keep track of the time in your long distance girlfriends part of the world...just maybe?
nikeplr
nachobel
Posted 9:54 PM 24/9/08
@nikeplr: DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT TIME ZONES ARE IN 1 HOUR INCREMENTS EXCEPT FOR A FEW 30 MINUTE ODDITIES?
nachobel
nachobel
Posted 9:53 PM 24/9/08
@rer89: I ususally don't go there, but you're an idiot. With no understand of the world and/or time zones.
nachobel
saicode
Posted 9:44 PM 24/9/08
Generally these screen shots for promotions are made in Photoshop and do not represent the actual working screen shots... the some poor designer might have goofed it up. I don't think it's such a big issue.
I personally find this Demo of Android posted on Lifehackerquite promising.
saicode
terebakashi
Posted 9:38 PM 24/9/08
@Jesus Diaz:
A classic example of an Apple fanboy missing the forest for the trees.
Are details important? Yes, but they don't necessarily make or break a device/platform. Sure, Apple has set a standard with the iPhone. And no, neither Android 1.0 nor the G1 met that standard in its brief introduction. But you completely underestimate the momentum building behind Android.
With Android, software updates will be pushed out weekly (if not daily), new devices will appear every quarter (accomodating all sorts of price ranges), killer social apps will spread virally. On the other hand, Apple is now shooting its developers in the feet and killing its own momentum for the sake of kepping its walled garden pruned. It won't take long for Android to overcome Apple, app-wise.
To put it differently: it's fine that Apple currently give customers "most of what they need" with its apps. But once people become familiar with these "vanilla" apps, they will look for features they -want-. And while Android probably won't ever get the small details perfect, I bet you'd be willing to put up with a few interface gaffes if you had a device that could connect you with friends who just happened to be in the area, or would show you local Twitters for live event tracking, or any other kind of social/locaion/music/etc mashup. That's exactly where Android is headed. Compared to that, Apple is too busy worrying about the tiny details: Only 1 device and a handful of updates a year? Requiring iTunes and insisting that users don't need a hardware keyboard? Turning down developers out of a fear that it would confuse users? It's a losing proposition.
In short, what Android lacks in details it will make up for in great apps. And Apple is getting so caught up in the details that it's scaring away the very people it needs the most. And in the end, most people will choose great apps over pretty buttons. Hint: this is exactly what happened with PC vs Mac, and why Gates was so much more successful with Microsoft.
You should also lay off the "everything must be compared to the iPhone" mentality and maybe compare Android to WinMo, Symbian or BlackBerry. Better yet, OHA is also gearing up to push out more devices at $200 -unsubsidized- (which would drop to the $50 range with a contract); compare Android to the stale, proprietary OSes of $50 phones from Nokia, Motorola, SE et al (which make up the sweeping majority of mobile phone sales), and you can see why Apple has every reason to be worried.
terebakashi
scuba_steve
Posted 10:31 PM 24/9/08
@terebakashi: "And in the end, most people will choose great apps over pretty buttons"
No, they won't. This happens with computers because they are seen more as tools for a specific set of tasks but normal people don't want a phone with a learning curve. They don't want a phone that replicates their computer. You may like to think that you're in touch with the common, non-geeky person next to you but the fact that you know enough to even comment here shows you're not the mass market.
What Apple will do well is make functionality that's normally reserved for smartphones simple enough for the common man to understand. I promise you, 99.9% of the world don't know or care that Apple stopped someone making an email app. If you think Android will be a success because just it's going after that last 0.1% then you're going to be disappointed.
Android will be a success when it's running on hundreds of phones, but most of them will be basic handsets with virtually none of the openess and functionality you think is vital in a phone.
scuba_steve
pcyoung
Posted 10:23 PM 24/9/08
@The_Duck: If that was the case, then shouldn't the long (er short, er the hour hand) be 3/4 of the way to 3:00?
pcyoung
pevans34
Posted 10:56 PM 24/9/08
HEY ASSHOLE. THIS PHONE ROCKS SO SHUTTUP
pevans34
ALT
Posted 11:17 PM 24/9/08
@Brian Lam: Thanks man. Regular Gz is best.
ALT
stryder100
Posted 11:08 PM 24/9/08
Lack of coherent design is a huge factor in the failure of the proliferation of Linux on the desktop also. Why the heck doesn't HTC/T-Mobile hire some designers? I've got an iPhone and I love it but I really want Android to make good.
C'mon guys. You might not get a second chance.
stryder100
Ultraorange
Posted 11:50 PM 24/9/08
Yawn.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Apple is my homie, Blah Blah blah blah, Andriod. Blah blah blah blah blah, Steve and I are having dinner tonight.
That all sound like drivel??
This article made that relevant. Why don't we stick to reviewing products and evaluating them in context of finish, ie preproduction, production, promotional material.
Do you guys ever feel like your watching fox news on here, the spin stops here. Of course there is no slant.
Ultraorange
aquajaws
Posted 11:48 PM 24/9/08
@aqtrans: An 'average consumer' isn't looking at something like telling time for a potential problem point, because its such a common and assumed ability to correctly tell time. Whether it is noticed or not doesn't diminish what an oversight it was on the marketing and/or engineers part to let an image of that get out, let alone be used as an advertisement. While a non-obvious detail of the picture unless you're analysing it, it shows the lack of conherence between parts of the OS and lack of attention to detail. If they mess up something as simple and basic as displaying and sync'ing clocks on the display, what other 'minor' functions did they overlook on the phone.
aquajaws
delithic
Posted 12:15 AM 25/9/08
@johcagaorl: I don't think that the short arms are backwards. I think the analog clock was rendered first, and someone just can't read an analog clock and put 2:47 in the top corner. Although, at 9:12 in the morning some peoples eyes aren't always open all the way...
delithic
uomdeacon
Posted 12:08 AM 25/9/08
Here's what I don't get. It seems like the main positive that people are praising about Android is the fact that it is "Open Source". It's as if "Open Source" is some magical thing that will cause it to be awesome and perfect. Last time I checked, Linux still has horrible market share. I think this is going to turn out the same way unfortunately. The majority of the consumer population doesn't give a crap about Open Source, and most times, it has not produced products that attract them (re: my Linux reference).
uomdeacon
jewsrock
Posted 12:05 AM 25/9/08
yeah apple is way more professional. the time on all apple press shots is allways 9:42 AM. allways. (thats also a good way to spot fake leaks)
jewsrock
zgulley
Posted 12:32 AM 25/9/08
I wrote a poem that's semi-applicable to this situation.
google: an ode to cou or go here: [wraithlord.wordpress.com]
If you want a good laugh. Just thought I'd share.
zgulley
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 1:00 AM 25/9/08
I cant see the replies on firefox!
Ariel_Wollinger
kalexander
Posted 1:42 AM 25/9/08
@apeguero: The icon for the clock, on iPhone, is just that, an icon. It always says 10:15.
kalexander
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
Posted 1:40 AM 25/9/08
You guys are just reaching for excuses now.
HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak
jvt
Posted 2:11 AM 25/9/08
@jrghoull: I dislike that HTC knows how to make phones with great UI's and hardware and this phone, with so much promise from the OS, looks like ass.
Now tell me, when you questioned my opinion for not holding it in my hand, did you also question those who are praising it without holding it in their hands?
jvt
RockNRollBeaver
Posted 2:36 AM 25/9/08
I'll stick with the Iphone.
RockNRollBeaver
RedBeard
Posted 2:34 AM 25/9/08
maybe this has something to do with it...a long time ago i took a class, can't remember what it was, but they talked about subconcious things (maybe psyc 101) that are done to influence people. for instance, casinos are built in ways that maximize their productivity...the casino is placed between the lobby and elevators causing people to have to walk through...there are no windows so people can't tell what time it is, even certain colors are used that subconciously affect people. i also heard that back in the day when clocks (analog that is) were pictured in magazines they had a 'key' time that was placed on them...that time being 10:10. this was supposed to cause the clock to look like it was smiling and make the viewer more comfortable/happy.
[www.clockstyle.com]
check it out....6 out of the 9 analog clocks on this page have 10:10 =D
RedBeard
define2000
Posted 2:34 AM 25/9/08
Android looks Sweet!
It has a chance in the market.
Oh... they are finally selling RatingWorld.com
I still love my IPhone Sorry...
define2000
autobott
Posted 2:33 AM 25/9/08
Does Android incorporate visual voicemail? I think that was one of the game changing features of the iPhone and nobody seems to be addressing it as part of the feature list.
autobott
tamoriel
Posted 2:33 AM 25/9/08
Uhm, Jesus?
While I admit the hand on the 9 of the analog clock would, at first glance, appear to be the hour hand, if you assume that it's actually the minute hand, the analog clock actually *does* show 2:47.
The hands are about the same length, so...
tamoriel
Doug
Posted 10:18 AM 24/9/08
@Max.N:
As far as the clock, it looks like the hands on the are switched, if you pretend that the hour hand is the long hand and the minute hand is the short one.. it does say 2:47. Either way this is pretty careless and sloppy on their part!
Doug
Doug
Posted 10:15 AM 24/9/08
As far as the clock, it looks like the hands on the are switched, if you pretend that the hour hand is the long hand and the minute hand is the short one.. it does say 2:47. Either way this is pretty careless and sloppy on their part!
Doug
kzooguy
Posted 3:18 AM 25/9/08
I donwloaded the SDK and played around with the emulator for a bit. It works pretty well, I like their workarounds for lack of multitouch.
kzooguy
macbeach
Posted 3:34 AM 25/9/08
The most interesting thing about this is it is the PC wars all over again.
Again, Apple is in the lead with more advanced products.
Again, an alternative emerges that is more flexible, but uglier.
Again, the alternative to Apple is likely to be less expensive and come in a variety of formats.
Again, Apple's offering is tightly controlled, the alternative much less so.
This will either be Steve Job's vindication...
Or not.
macbeach
Boba.Fett
Posted 12:19 PM 24/9/08
@JB007: Except that it only had the in the EULA for a few days. Google never meant to scare people into thinking they were stealing their info.
Boba.Fett
terebakashi
Posted 4:43 AM 25/9/08
@scuba_steve:
What nonsense. Certainly 99.9% of the world doesn't know/care about Apple rejecting an app, but if you think 99.9% of the world will end up switching to the iPhone instead of anything else, you've got the mass market all wrong. Here's a hint: there are two general groups of people:
- "Normal" people who say, "I already have internet on my computer, why would I want it on my phone?"
- The rest who say, "Sure, I'd love to have internet on my phone."
For the former, neither Android nor Apple will have any effect -- they simply don't need anything other than a "dumb" phone, so your 99.9% figure is bogus. For the latter, they're switching because of the functionality of an internet-enabled phone over a "dumb" phone. Choosing the iPhone just makes it easier to migrate because of its polished interface. But the thought that what Apple provides now is all that normal people will ever need is crap. What about SMS when voice was standard? Picture messaging when texting was popular? And now full internet (let alone music/movies/etc which "replicate [people's] computers") is gaining appeal while SMS/MMS is still good enough for most "normal" people? Once there's extra functionality, there will be plenty of users who make the switch. All it takes is one great Facebook app that integrates messaging, friends' statuses, live party/event tracking and photos, topped off with geo-tagging and location-aware updates, and you've already got a huge potential consumer base: millions of "normal" people who use Facebook to organize their social life. Android can do that; Apple... might reject it for being too complicated.
Japan is a good case in point: when the iPhone 3G came out in Japan, a lot of people said it would overtake Japan's smartphones, which while much more advanced lacked good user interface design. And initially the 3G sold quite well. But now that "normal" people are becoming comfortable with the idea of using internet-enabled phones (and for that Apple deserves credit for helping them make the jump), they're having to face the iPhone's staggering limitations; and with plenty of alternatives, iPhone sales are now dwindling while other smartphone sales are increasing. Apple was looking to sell 1mil units by the end of the year, but now they'll be lucky to break 350k. The numbers speak for themselves.
The point isn't that Android is going to kill the iPhone. The iPhone will remain (for the forseeable