Networks
Comcast Opens Curtains On How They Filter Your Traffic
Posted by Jason Chen at 10:16 AM on September 20, 2008
Comcast has just released a series of documents in response to the Federal Communications Commission detailing how, exactly, the ISP filters your traffic. Based on their traffic analysis, five protocols (Ares, BitTorrent, eDonkey, FastTrack and Gnutella) were especially filtered. Not anymore. Now Comcast is going to be throttling ALL traffic you generate, even if it's from their own Fancast streaming video service, if you're generating abnormally high traffic compared to your peers.
On the bright side, it's good that your torrents aren't getting slowed down, but on the other hand, "legal" applications like Netflix or Amazon will be affected as well. In any case, you'll still have to watch out that you don't run over the 250GB monthly cap, or else your net will become disconnected entirely. FAQ below:
Why does Comcast manage its network?
Comcast manages its network with one goal: to deliver the best possible broadband Internet experience to all of its customers. High-speed bandwidth and network resources are not unlimited. Managing the network is essential to promote the use and enjoyment of the Internet by all of our customers. We use reasonable network management practices that are consistent with industry standards. We also try to use tools and technologies that are minimally intrusive. Just as the Internet continues to change and evolve, so too, will our network management practices to address the challenges and threats on the Internet.
All Internet service providers need to manage their networks and Comcast is no different. In fact, many of them use the same or similar tools that Comcast does. If we didn't manage our network, our customers would be subject to the negative effects of spam, viruses, security attacks, network congestion, and other risks and degradations of the service. By engaging in reasonable and responsible network management, Comcast can deliver the best possible broadband Internet experience to all of its customers.
How does Comcast manage its network?
Comcast uses various tools and techniques to manage its network, deliver the Service, and ensure compliance with the Acceptable Use Policy and the Comcast Agreement for Residential Services available at http://www.comcast.net/terms/subscriber/. These tools and techniques are dynamic, like the network and its usage, and can and do change frequently. For example, these network management activities may include identifying spam and preventing its delivery to customer e-mail accounts, detecting malicious Internet traffic and preventing the distribution of viruses or other harmful code or content and using other tools and techniques that Comcast may be required to implement in order to meet its goal of delivering the best possible broadband Internet experience to all of its customers.
Does network management change over time?
Yes. The Internet is highly dynamic. As the Internet and related technologies continue to evolve and advance, Comcast's network management tools will evolve and keep pace so that we can deliver an excellent, reliable, and safe online experience to all of our customers.
In March 2008, Comcast announced that it will migrate to a new network congestion management technique before the end of the year. (See more FAQs about that in this section.)
How will the new technique work?
The new network congestion management practice works as follows:
If a certain area of the network nears a state of congestion, the technique will ensure that all customers have a fair share of access to the network. It will identify which customer accounts are using the greatest amounts of bandwidth and their Internet traffic will be temporarily managed until the period of congestion passes. Customers will still be able to do anything they want to online, and many activities will be unaffected, but they could experience things like: longer times to download or upload files, surfing the Web may seem somewhat slower, or playing games online may seem somewhat sluggish.
The new technique does not manage congestion based on the online activities, protocols or applications a customer uses, rather it only focuses on the heaviest users in real time, so the periods of congestion could be very fleeting and sporadic.
It is important to note that the effect of this technique is temporary and it has nothing to do with aggregate monthly data usage. Rather, it is dynamic and based on prevailing network conditions as well as very recent data usage.
Will the technique target P2P or other applications, or make decisions about the content of my traffic?
No. The new technique is "protocol-agnostic," which means that the system does not manage congestion based on the applications being used by customers. It is content neutral, so it does not depend on the type of content that is generating traffic congestion. Said another way, customer traffic is congestion-managed not based on their applications, but based on current network conditions and recent bytes transferred by users.
How does the new network management technique impact me and my use of the Comcast High Speed Internet service?
With this new technique, most customers will notice no change in their Internet experience. The goal of congestion management is to enable all users to have access to a fair share of the network at peak times, when congestion occasionally occurs. Congestion management focuses on the consumption activity of individual customer accounts that are using a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. As a result, and based on our technical trials of this technique, we expect that the large majority of customers will not be affected by it. In fact, based on consumer data collected from these trials, we found that on average less than 1% of our high-speed Internet customers are affected by the approach.
How often does Comcast expect to use this technique?
Based on market trials to date, Comcast expects that select portions of the network will be in a congested state only for relatively small portions of the day, if at all.
During these trials, Comcast did not receive a single customer complaint that could be traced to this new congestion management practice, despite having publicized the trials and notifying customers involved in the trials via e-mail.
Comcast will continue to monitor how user traffic is affected by these new congestion management techniques and will make the adjustments reasonably necessary to ensure that our Comcast High-Speed Internet customers have a high-quality online experience.
Can you give me some "real world" examples of how much bandwidth consumption would be considered too much? For example, how many movies would I have to download to be affected by this new technique?
Since the technique is dynamic and works in real time, the answer really depends on a number of factors including overall usage, time of day and the number of applications a customer might be running at the same time. First, the local network must be approaching a congested state for our new technique to even look for traffic to manage. Assuming that is the case, customers' accounts must exceed a certain percentage of their upstream or downstream (both currently set at 70%) bandwidth for longer than a certain period of time, currently set at fifteen minutes.
A significant amount of normal Internet usage by our customers does not last that long. For example, most downloads would have completed within that time, and the majority of streaming and downloading will not exceed the threshold to be eligible for congestion management. And the majority of longer-running applications, such as VoIP, video conferencing, and streaming video content (including HD streaming on most sites) will not exceed these thresholds either.
The point of the technique is to deliver the best overall online experience possible. The technique should help ensure that all customers get their fair share of bandwidth resources to enjoy all that the Internet has to offer and that includes surfing the web, reading emails, downloading movies, watching streaming video, gaming or listening to music.
How will customers know they are being managed?
We are exploring ways to create new tools that will let customers know when the management is occurring. In the short term, our efforts are focused on transitioning to the new technique as soon as possible.
We believe this sort of congestion notification should be an Internet standard and have been discussing this issue in technical bodies like the Internet Engineering Task Force. We believe the use of Internet Standards for such a real-time notification is important as applications developers can write for networks beyond the Comcast network. However we are planning to develop a capability that may enable a customer to see if they were managed in the past, though this is not yet ready for testing.
Does this technique apply to both Commercial and Residential services?
Yes.
How is this announcement related to the recent 250 GB monthly usage threshold?The two are completely separate and distinct. The new congestion management technique is based on real-time Internet activity. The goal is to avoid congestion on our network that is being caused by the heaviest users. The technique is different from the recent announcement that 250 GB/month is the aggregate monthly usage threshold that defines excessive use.
Is Comcast Digital Voice affected by this technique? What about other VoIP providers?
Comcast Digital Voice is a separate facilities-based IP phone service that is not affected by this technique.
Comcast customers who use VoIP providers that rely on delivering calls over the public Internet who are also using a disproportionate amount of bandwidth during a period when this network management technique goes into effect may experience a degradation of their call quality at times of network congestion. It is important to note, however, that VoIP calling in and of itself does not use a significant amount of bandwidth. Furthermore, our real-world testing of this technique did not indicate any significant change in the quality of VoIP calls, even for managed customer traffic during periods of congestion.
What about Fancast.com and streaming video or video downloads? What will happen to them?
During periods of congestion, any customers who are using a disproportionate amount of bandwidth - no matter what type or content of the online activity (for example, it does not matter if the content is coming from a Comcast owned site like Fancast.com or not) - may be affected by this technique.
Our technique also has no ability to determine the applications or protocols being used or the content, source or destination.
Does Comcast block peer-to-peer ("P2P") traffic or applications like BitTorrent, Gnutella, or others?
No. Today, Comcast does not block P2P traffic or applications like BitTorrent, Gnutella, or others as part of its current network congestion management technique.
It is important to note, however, that the current network congestion technique, which will be replaced by the end of 2008, may on a limited basis temporarily delay certain P2P traffic when that traffic has, or is projected to have, an adverse effect on other customers' use of the service. We do this because, in certain situations, that type of traffic consumes a disproportionately large amount of network resources.
Does Comcast discriminate against particular types of online content?
No. Comcast provides its customers with full access to all the content, services, and applications that the Internet has to offer. However, we are committed to protecting customers from spam, phishing, and other unwanted or harmful online content and activities. Comcast uses industry standard tools and generally accepted best practices and policies to help it meet this customer commitment. In cases where these tools and policies identify certain online content as harmful and unwanted, such as spam or phishing Web sites, this content is usually prevented from reaching customers. In other cases, these tools and policies may permit customers to identify certain content that is not clearly harmful or unwanted, such as bulk e-mails or Web sites with questionable security ratings, and enable those customers to inspect the content further if they want to do so.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
bob
Posted October 2, 2008 4:04 PM
Well thats great. I pay 60+ a month for them to decide that I use the internet too much & make me lag on purpose. Truly Comcast is a company that needs to die.
Joseph
Posted 11:32 AM 20/9/08
You know what's funny. They are actually going to attack an issue thats the next evolution of all of these file sharing systems. See now, the packets are unencrypted so they can find out if a packet is from BitTorrent or eDonkey. Once the traffic is encrypted, they wont be able to tell BitTorrent from a File download from watching YouTube. Gotta love Comcast :).
Joseph
xrmb
Posted 11:24 AM 20/9/08
i totally forgot... how much did comcast spend on all this managing, counting, controlling and so one hardware. Would be wiser to invest in the future. Well I can't wait to file another FCC complaint, it seems to be quite painful for them to handle them... someone of comcast has to call you and report back to FCC
xrmb
BNCasey3
Posted 11:21 AM 20/9/08
This is complete bullshit.
Why does the internet have to go to lengths to put CAPS on monthly usage and slowing your traffic down because some other asshole is downloading to much PORN.
This is a complete blow to the Internet 2.0 and for everything the internet is working towards.
Comcast blows. And I am an unfortunate soul who has their network management in my possession.
FUCK comcast.
BNCasey3
xrmb
Posted 11:20 AM 20/9/08
i'm going to risk the call from comcast when doing my usual 500gb in October, hope I can talk myself out of it, else no more internet :(
xrmb
Fused7
Posted 11:04 AM 20/9/08
We're STILL fucked, hooray,
HEY COMCAST! FUCK YOU! YOU MONEY GRUBBING MOTHERFUCKERS!
(dont ban me :( you hate them too!)
Fused7
DGUW
Posted 10:57 AM 20/9/08
So I pay for 100 percent of my Internet, but if I use 70 percent of the peak capacity I pay for for more than 15 minutes, I get throttled.
Again, I pay for 100 percent, but if I used 70 percent, it gets taken away.
That's legal?
DGUW
dead_red_eyes
Posted 10:49 AM 20/9/08
Also:
"Does Comcast block peer-to-peer ("P2P") traffic or applications like BitTorrent, Gnutella, or others?
No. Today, Comcast does not block P2P traffic or applications like BitTorrent, Gnutella, or others as part of its current network congestion management technique."
So today they don't do it ... doesn't say anything about tomorrow.
dead_red_eyes
dead_red_eyes
Posted 10:47 AM 20/9/08
@nyaz:
That's what I want to know. What about us that play video games online? Are we going to screwed because of this shit?
dead_red_eyes
godwhacker
Posted 10:38 AM 20/9/08
i have a separate ip who uses the comcast pipes to deliver, and thru discussions with them, i won't be subject to the cap. however i have noticed throttling from time to time. if you use common sense and limit your big loads to off-peak times, you can skirt the throttling.
godwhacker
Yetibelle
Posted 10:33 AM 20/9/08
Ok so when "...all customers get their fair share of bandwidth resources.." and this is less than the 16,000kbps they have me pay for each month do I get some money back LOL ..I BET NOT! ><
We will all pay for Broadband and end up getting 56k again.
Yetibelle
The Brain
Posted 10:27 AM 20/9/08
Unfortunately they advertise "unlimited high speed Internet". That should be a class action lawsuit.
The Brain
dizzytired
Posted 10:25 AM 20/9/08
Doesn't say anything about Comcast actively, you know, increasing bandwidth or infrastructure, does it?
dizzytired
Eugenia
Posted 10:24 AM 20/9/08
I am really not against this measure (although I would prefer an added fee instead of disconnection), I just don't know how much traffic I use. Will Comcast provides us with a web page where we can monitor our GBs of traffic per month, and adjust our browsing habits accordingly?
Eugenia
MICHAELSD
Posted 10:21 AM 20/9/08
When's Verizon FiOS coming to Central NJ...? Comcast is just getting worse and worse. Once there's another real competitor with the same coverage as Comcast, Comcast's internet will slowly die unless they do something to actually improve their network.
MICHAELSD
mytmouse
Posted 10:21 AM 20/9/08
Blargh
mytmouse
BiZarRroBALlmeR
Posted 10:20 AM 20/9/08
Wish there was more competition for web access.
BiZarRroBALlmeR
nyaz
Posted 10:20 AM 20/9/08
So they're gonna lag me if I use up too much bandwidth and mess up my XBL. Oh. Hell. No.
nyaz
hadees
Posted 11:49 AM 20/9/08
Vote with your wallet and go with some other service
hadees
Boatski
Posted 11:48 AM 20/9/08
My net has been slow all day. I hate comcast!
WTB FiOS!
Boatski
Overheal
Posted 11:41 AM 20/9/08
They could have done worse, to be fair. The only thing I can criticize them for the the Hard-Cap of 250GB. I know of some Irish ISPs that have a Soft-Cap: when you go over, you're charged extra for the excessive traffic, per gb or part thereof.
This traffic monitoring move just makes good management sense. So many people here screaming fuck comcast? Those people never lived in an apartment block full of computer junkies - they were the real fucks.
Overheal
AbrahamMunippus
Posted 11:39 AM 20/9/08
As a Comcast user, I would like to thank all you high-use people pissing and moaning in this thread for leaving Comcast in the near future. Should make my Comcast internet faster now that you're going to be hogging up bandwidth from OTHER providers. Thanks Again!
AbrahamMunippus
oddgit
Posted 12:27 PM 20/9/08
Where i live in San Francisco, i have deathstar, earthlink and comcast to pick from. And the Earthlink uses the deathstars lines so im stuck with 2 dodgy DSL providers and Comcast, plus my building sucks or something so back when i did have dsl it was nowhere near the speed i said i should be getting. I switched to comcast when i got cable tv and now i have reasonable internets with dodgy customer support. A new isp needs to show up in san francisco =(
oddgit
commentotron
Posted 12:17 PM 20/9/08
FiOS here in less than six months. They are digging up the street now. Then: adios crapcast. I had fios at my last house, and I cannot wait to get it at the new one.
commentotron
MayorBee is getting what plants crave
Posted 12:14 PM 20/9/08
@AbrahamMunippus: Actually, Comcast came up with the 250 GB limit because the top 1% of their users used more than that amount. When all the high users leave Comcast, what will the top 1% of users utilize then? 50 GB? 25 GB? Comcast's done it once and they're getting away with placing caps. It's cheaper than actually expanding their infrastructure. What makes you think that they won't reset the caps again, this time to a much lower number, citing "These caps only affect the top 1% of heavy downloaders"?
As for throttling, since they realize that they can just throttle people more and more instead of spending money making their network better, what's to stop them from imposing the 70% limit at any time, instead of just when the network is "congested"?
Here's a legal question...Comcast provides a VOIP solution, aka Digital Voice. They provide internet service on which other VOIP providers operate. They state, about other VOIP providers:
They go on to say that VOIP doesn't use a lot of bandwidth, blah blah blah. However, couldn't any throttling of a customer that is using another VOIP provider be interpreted as unfair business practices? How could Comcast definitively prove that they were not directly targeting some other VOIP provider's data in order to cause damage to the other provider?
MayorBee is getting what plants crave
Kayway8
Posted 1:15 PM 20/9/08
Comcast: Always making fast, faster... Unless you take up too much traffic, that's a totally different story.
Kayway8
mkrygeri
Posted 12:54 PM 20/9/08
@MayorBee is getting what plants crave:
When the 250+GB people leave, the problem will be solved. Those people are costing way more than they pay.
For voip, I think this implies that you might get throttled if you become a Skype supernode. If you're not behind a NAT, skype automatically signs you up to be a relay point for other people's calls. Most people don't realize this. Also, you could drop 10% of the packets on a call and still have a conversation with someone, so really, what is the problem? What's more is Comcast almost can't tell that SKYPE is running due to the encryption used. Might as well be bittorrent as far as the management knows.
I hate that this goes on as much as you do, but the 1% of users that constantly saturate the network core, ruin the experience for the other 99%. It would be irresponsable for Comcast to not look out for 99% of thier customers during peak times.
What Comcast WAS doing was bull$h1+. Sending RST packets is fraud in my opinion. This is a neutral position. all traffic is neutral, if seeders ans supernodes are choking out customers, yeah, you should get throttled if there is congestion. If it was your network, you would all be singing a different tune.
mkrygeri
iwantcokeinabottle
Posted 1:44 PM 20/9/08
Wow this is total bullshit. So, Comcast can decide to throttle me basically any time they want because I am using up my available bandwidth (about 6Mbps here). What if usage on my node is low and I am below the 250GB monthly limit? Will they still throttle me?
Also, I noticed that Comcast says that their VOIP service is a separate 'facility' and will not be affected by these provisions. However, 3rd party VOIP services will be affected by it. How the fuck is that net neutrality?
iwantcokeinabottle
Y2KGTP
Posted 2:15 PM 20/9/08
@iwantcokeinabottle:
Comcast voice service is not VoIP.
Y2KGTP
Y2KGTP
Posted 2:13 PM 20/9/08
funny, I just got an email:
You already know Comcast High-Speed Internet with PowerBoost® gives you a
blazing-fast connection. But if you or others in your home do things like download music, videos, movies and games or upload photos, why not upgrade to our fastest service and enjoy even faster download speeds-up to 16 Mbps? Everyone in the family will be able to enjoy more and do more online-and in less time. And it's just $10 more a month!
Y2KGTP
marm0lade
Posted 3:00 PM 20/9/08
the telcos could use those BILLIONS of dollars the govt gave them a decade ago for improving broadband infrastructure on actually *improving the infrastructure* to meet demand. but why should they do that when the CEOs can give themselves million dollar bonuses?
marm0lade
c64
Posted 3:16 PM 20/9/08
Thats Comcraptic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
c64
purple-pillows
Posted 4:06 PM 20/9/08
i think this is fascism
purple-pillows
ToddBradley
Posted 8:57 PM 20/9/08
@Y2KGTP:
I use Comcast, but not Comcast Voice service. Could you explain how it is not VoIP? Are they using some technology other than Internet Protocol to transmit digitized voice packets?
ToddBradley
wpns
Posted 8:53 PM 20/9/08
Did your "reporters" bother to ask anyone about the disconnect between:
/*
Based on their traffic analysis, five protocols (Ares, BitTorrent, eDonkey, FastTrack and Gnutella) were especially filtered.
*/
and
/*
Today, Comcast does not block P2P traffic or applications like BitTorrent, Gnutella, or others as part of its current network congestion management technique.
*/
Or do we just parrot the Comcast line and leave people wondering who is lying?
wpns
Ajh
Posted 9:36 PM 20/9/08
@Overheal: I put a cap on the upload and download of my bittorrent files so as not to interfere with my connection or anyone elses in the area. I still got mysteriously disconnected 4 times while downloading the warhammer open beta from EA'S own torrent. Comcast isn't throttling the traffic they're just cutting you off and you have to restart.
Ajh
addiktion
Posted 9:18 PM 20/9/08
Yeah so they drop you down to 70% when the network is congested and your at full bandwidth for 15 minutes? Is that what I'm reading correctly?
Either way we knew this was coming in some form another. It pisses me off too.
The problem is most people I know don't know any other company besides the major ones. The small ones get drowned out from Comcast. Plus the point is a majority of the users wouldn't trust anyone else but one of the bigger players, and if they did they wouldn't enjoy the service because their is no way a smaller competitor could compete with Comcast's networks. You'd probably experience more down time, more temporary outages, and more congestion.
I'll give them one good line though, like others have said the caps have always been there but now they are just publicly announcing them which is a good start.
addiktion
EnzoFX
Posted 10:02 PM 20/9/08
I guess it's cool to hate Comcast...
I can't complain, I admit they're not perfect, but no company is. I worry about the infrastructure, everyone comes on these forums and complains, though we're all met with the issue of the network not being updated as fast as users are using it.
EnzoFX
mkrygeri
Posted 9:57 PM 20/9/08
@Y2KGTP:
Comcast voice service is not voip???
Wrong.
It's a Voice call Over an IP call. It is a cable labs proprietary system from what I've heard, but it is still VOIP.
mkrygeri
unspellable
Posted 9:53 PM 20/9/08
Comcast is doing the filtering because of its VoIP business: it talks about it like it's a part the victimized traffic but it's not - it's the reason for it.
unspellable
fastmike
Posted 9:51 PM 20/9/08
Dont forget guys........ consumers ALWAYS have the option of voting with thier feet
fastmike
kiffallen
Posted 1:39 AM 21/9/08
so.... this means we're cool if we live in a high traffic area?
SWEEEEEET
go go NYC metro area!
c'mon people...
this is.. indirectly, a green light for the user base to convince EVERYONE ELSE to up their usage too, no?
if the One percent is obscene... while the norm (which we create by convincing more traffic) is already high... we're cool, right?
kiffallen
genderbunny
Posted 2:06 AM 21/9/08
So what I'm hearing from the peanut gallery is this: People are scared to death of... transferring data at a lower rate than 6Mbps? Switch to AOL dialup for a few years, and then tell me that anything faster than 56k is "slow." I rarely get more than 25-30% of my advertised 8Mpbs connection in real-world use (note that this is generally the fault of the websites' connections, not mine) and I can't find fault with my connection speed. Web browsing? We're talking about a difference of about 1~2 seconds. Worst case scenario. Small file? I can wait that extra ten to thirty seconds. Large file? Who cares? It'll get done when it gets done.
But then I'm not transferring two or three DVDs worth of data daily, so I can't talk about Comcast's throttling scheme as it won't affect my internet speed. Those of you who are transferring that much, however, generally will. So cry me a damn river.
genderbunny
Ajh
Posted 1:45 AM 21/9/08
@fastmike: Really? And how many internet options are available in your area? Verizon just started offering basic slow dsl here. Other than that it's comcast or dial up.
It's a monopoly that the governments don't want to do anything about.
Ajh
mikemacman
Posted 3:28 AM 21/9/08
When will Comcast quit "managing" their outdated coax network and deploy fiber to the home? That is the only real solution which will provide an immensely greater amount of bandwidth. If FIOS was offered in my area (MN) I'd switch immediately. Comcast provides slow and limited broadband and overly compressed HD channels.
mikemacman
closhedbb
Posted 3:40 AM 21/9/08
When I originally got Comcast and they connected my cable HSI, They said that I would get a certain up/down bandwidth. Now they are saying that if everyone uses what they are paying for, they won't be able to cover the use on their network?
They are selling something that they don't have and are not willing to provide to everyone all the time.
Last I checked it's illegal to sell someone a service or a product you can't provide.
I'm paying for BANDWIDTH, not an amount of data downloaded. That's what my contract says. This is so wrong.
closhedbb
MasterDave
Posted 4:47 AM 21/9/08
@oddgit:
www.speakeasy.net
I'm in San Francisco, if you can get the other DSL providers I'm relatively sure you CAN get speakeasy.
If not, try sonic.net as I think they're all over SF too.
If you can't get either of those, i'd suggest moving because it appears you're in a pretty crappy spot in San Francisco considering it's a relatively small city and most of it has good access to DSL lines.
MasterDave
StartingAces
Posted 5:53 AM 21/9/08
@genderbunny:
If you're only getting 25-30% of your advertised bandwidth, that's not right.
StartingAces
hypereric
Posted 12:39 AM 22/9/08
why don't they just stick to their 250 GB limit? A pre-emptive throttling/shaping before that is just wrong. first come, first served, and all that jazz. smells like they are throttling for the sake of their VOIP (which doesn't matter if it is truly VOIP or not, it still takes a certain slice of the coax's bandwidth).
I smell an upcoming FCC investigation.
hypereric
mdawg4624
Posted 2:10 AM 22/9/08
@Fused7: AGREED! SOMEONE NEEDS TO START A FCOMCAST.COM WHERE WE CAN RANT AND SHOW OUR VOICES!!
mdawg4624
Mosher
Posted 9:11 AM 22/9/08
Comcast Subscribers = Dumb Shits Anyways
Who cares, most comcast users dont even secure their wireless networks. Thanks again for the free internets. RAWR
Mosher
Easyrider
Posted 10:42 AM 22/9/08
The latest screw-up of Comcast is the "improvements" they've just foisted on the Ark-la-Tex area. No premium channels on demand (it never works), really crappy sound similar to a reel-to-reel tape complete with pre-Dolby NR hiss, and a 8086-era DOS-type font for the Program Guide. Other than that, Comcast is great. I don't know what you all are complaining over...
Easyrider
diehippiedie
Posted 12:57 PM 22/9/08
my verizon DSL is actually just as fast as the comcast cable but a lot cheaper.
diehippiedie
OrtensiaBarbatus
Posted 11:02 PM 22/9/08
Hmm, looking at the comments, the broadband situation looks really bad in the US. In europe here, i haven't seen a provider that does caping in years (~5). We got plenty of provider choices (~10), cable, dsl, fiber. I've got 20Mbps dsl, totally uncaped with phone and dsl HD tv, home tv broadcasting and more, for 30eur/month without a single disconnection in years, and with features and bandwith enhanced each year. Same for most of my friends. Doesn't seem logical at first sight, considering the more liberal economy in the US, but all i can say is that the broadband provider competition looks more healthier in europe. There are lots of factors off course... see: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-trifecta-of-lost-opportunities-us-15-in-broadband-ranking.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080909-pro-business-think-tank-us-broadband-market-is-peachy-keen-o-rly.html
OrtensiaBarbatus
Enochrewt
Posted 3:01 AM 23/9/08
@mkrygeri: You're blaming the customer for lack of services provided by the company. People were promised "Unlimited" HSI, bought the service based on that promise, and now are getting the shaft. It's not their fault that they fully use a service that they pay for, nor should they have to cater to you because you don't fully utilize the service that you pay for! One customer should not effect another customer, end of story.
Enochrewt
thisislivin
Posted 12:22 PM 20/9/08
Well in New Zealand we pay, around $50US a month for a 15gb datacap:( New Zealand telecommunications charges are far higher than other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries, i.e first world countries. Also the max download speed you can find is around 7-10Mbps. What Comcast are doing to you guys has been happening to us since the start of internet over here!
thisislivin
jlivingood
Posted 11:13 AM 20/9/08
RE: "Now Comcast is going to be throttling ALL traffic you generate"
That's not accurate to say that the new congestion management system throttles traffic.
Does NOT throttle down user traffic to a pre-set speed; when the bandwidth is available, even users in a managed state can burst to their maximum provisioned speeds.
Some additional points as well:
Does NOT target specific applications / protocols; the system does not look at what applications are being used.
Does NOT examine the contents of customer communications; does not look in the contents of packets.
Does NOT require or use DPI; it uses current network conditions and recent upstream and/or downstream traffic.
Does NOT last long; only has an effect on traffic during moments of actual congestion, which may occur sporadically for several minutes, regardless of how long a user's traffic is marked as BE.
Does NOT set a universal threshold of usage for all service tiers; these thresholds vary by service tier and are calculated as a percentage of provisioned speeds.
Does NOT consider bytes consumed in total; upstream bytes and downstream bytes are considered separated and congestion management actions are taken separately.
And, last but not least:
Does NOT substitute for or obviate the need for normal network upgrades; growing and upgrading our network continues as a normal course of business.
Regards
Jason
Comcast
National Engineering & Technical Operations
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