Software
Apple Kinda Had iPhone Copy/Paste Figured Out with Newton 15 Years Ago (But Not Really)
Posted by Jack Loftus at 5:30 AM on September 8, 2008
There's a lot of hypothesising and App Store creating going on today because the supposedly simple act of cutting and pasting is absent from the iPhone. What's strange about all this is that Apple sorta had it figured out 15 years ago with the Newton. As the video shows, cutting and pasting with a touch screen or stylus on a Mac product, circa 1993, couldn't have been easier. Of course, back then it was with a stylus (not a finger); and then there's the fact that touching and dragging on an iPhone is reserved for the magnifier function... wait, maybe this isn't as easy as it appears. Back to the drawing board. [Boing Boing]

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easy2panic
Posted 5:54 AM 8/9/08
@G-Ram: WTF? SPAM?!?!?!
"No such thing as an objective viewpoint"
duh, are trying to increase viewership of a stupid video?
easy2panic
BiZarRroBALlmeR
Posted 5:52 AM 8/9/08
They're working on it. The software is only 14 months old, sheesh.
BiZarRroBALlmeR
easy2panic
Posted 5:49 AM 8/9/08
IDK about copy/paste, but I would sure love "Open In New Tab" feature. It wouldn't be hard either.
Right now when you click and hold on a link (with your finger), it shows the URL, well, it could also show a button you could push to open in a new tab.
It would sure be handy for reading Gizmodo, I could stay on the main page and open up stories to read when I'm done with the main page.
I guess Apple doesn't want to make Safari as useful as real browsers.
easy2panic
G-Ram
Posted 5:47 AM 8/9/08
I much prefer this method and hope they implement something similar.
[www.vimeo.com] iPhone Copy and Paste
G-Ram
igneous
Posted 5:39 AM 8/9/08
I absolutely love my 3g iPhone, but not having copy paste is KILLING ME. I have to carry my shitty windows mobile phone with sprint just to be able to copy paste when I need to, and I need to quite often.
igneous
UofITom
Posted 6:11 AM 8/9/08
I like how the tab says "iPhone"
UofITom
labrats5
Posted 6:07 AM 8/9/08
Copy and Paste isn't as easy as everyone seems to think it is. Heck, I would argue that Copy and Paste still isn't implemented right on the PC. I think the Newton was closer to perfection actually.
labrats5
Nocturnia
Posted 6:01 AM 8/9/08
@G-Ram:
Yeah, thanks for nothing on that link!
If I wanted to see an old man spitting at the camera and rambling on, I would go visit my dad.
Nocturnia
The Magnificen7
Posted 6:35 AM 8/9/08
@basketcase456: Too bad nothing else does ;-)
The Magnificen7
basketcase456
Posted 6:30 AM 8/9/08
Strange, Windows Mobile has copy/paste functionality that works very well.
basketcase456
redman042
Posted 6:28 AM 8/9/08
I think Apple has been holding out on this because the want to integrate copy/paste into a larger update that will add significant new gesture capabilities to the iPhone to accomplish a whole host of tasks, similar to what we've seen in some of their patent filings. If they just added copy/paste and nothing else, they'd have to add some sort of new gesture method that is very different from the rest of the UI and not part of a cohesive system. Steve doesn't like that sort of thing. With that said, I'm not sure if we'll see any of this in a .1 update. Maybe 2.2 or 3.0.
redman042
jbhitter24
Posted 6:48 AM 8/9/08
my god those sounds make me want to shoot myself.
jbhitter24
your_new_jesus
Posted 7:02 AM 8/9/08
lack of copy and paste is inconvenient, but lack of mms is simply insulting. and i say this as a former mac genius and apple fanboy of 10+ years
your_new_jesus
gizGianca
Posted 7:28 AM 8/9/08
Bring back the Newton... been waiting to for 10 years, and all you got is the iPhone without copy&paste?
I used the copy&paste system above, it rocks, it works, it's doable, and Apple owns the IP... So what's the issue here? Steve Jobs ego... The Newton was John Sculley pet project, the same guy who fired Jobs years ago...
The Newton had many flaws, but also many implementation that DID work... Since then nothing 2day has anything even come closer to that clunky knowledge storing device: nor Palm, or Windows mobile, nor blackberry...
gizGianca
kerry
Posted 7:25 AM 8/9/08
Also, I can't help but think of "Eat up Martha" every time I see the Newton handwriting recognition. That and "Egg freckles?"
kerry
JoOngle
Posted 7:23 AM 8/9/08
Makes me want to get out my old Newton Message Pad 2100 (yes! I have one, brand new!) with all the trimmings, keyboard, cables, rechargeable battery, charger, AAA-cell adaptor, dongle...you name it.
Got it for 10 bucks at a local fleamarket, most fun "toy" ever...still works flawlessly and "speaks" ;)
JoOngle
kerry
Posted 7:23 AM 8/9/08
You could get around the touch-and-hold for magnifier problem by making select a two-finger touch-and-hold. Since we're dealing with a multitouch interface you potentially have more ways of manipulating text on-screen than with stylus-input devices.
I very much appreciate clipboard operations on the devices that have them, but on a cell phone I'm pretty happy as long as links and phone numbers are clickable, which so far seems to work pretty well on the iPhone.
I don't understand why everyone is so crazy about MMS. I don't know that I've used it more than three times in my life. *shrug*
kerry
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 8:15 AM 8/9/08
I see nothing wrong with the hand-writing recognition on the Newton. It was ahead of its time.
OMG! Ponies!
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 8:14 AM 8/9/08
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OMG! Ponies!
JoOngle
Posted 8:37 AM 8/9/08
Hehe...took it out again and played with it (not THAT - perv!)...the Newton!
Wrote:
So, you´re saying my handwriting is bad?
Became:
So you´re saying my handwriting is dad?
Wrote:
Maybe I should write slower?
Became:
May dej should write B lower!
So yeah - fun thing, I could get hours to pass with this retro toy.
JoOngle
someToast
Posted 9:49 AM 8/9/08
@JoOngle: I tried the same thing with mine and it messed up the apostrophe in "you're" ("youie") and thought the "I" in the second line was a one.
The thing's a bit beefy in the hand, but yes, still a fun device ten years later.
someToast
G-Ram
Posted 1:52 PM 8/9/08
LOL! I just watched the video I accidently posted... FILTERS! FILTERS!
@kerry: "I don't understand why everyone is so crazy about MMS. I don't know that I've used it more than three times in my life. *shrug*"
You've never had MMS/text/cell sex before have you? Exchanging naughty messages and pictures of nasty bits with your lover is one of the main benefits of MMS.
G-Ram
G-Ram
Posted 1:49 PM 8/9/08
@easy2panic: @Nocturnia: Crap! I don't know how that happened. If the link doesn't work this time, just google "iphone copy paste" and it's the first result.
[www.vimeo.com]
G-Ram
The Magnificen7
Posted 3:27 PM 8/9/08
@G-Ram: Gives the guys at AT&T and the NSA a good show. Man, working at the NSA this days must be a lot like working at Fleshbot.
The Magnificen7
G-Ram
Posted 11:45 PM 8/9/08
Bah. You can't go through life worrying that someone is watching you, it'll make you crazy. I know, it's happening to my father. I got my stepmother a MacBook and when they were setting it up, creating the main user and the iSight came on for the user picture he panicked and he won't even use the computer now.
G-Ram
kerry
Posted 12:54 AM 9/9/08
@G-Ram: I've had several MMS cell phones, actually. However, most of my naughty photos get exchanged via email.
kerry
nutbastard
Posted 4:20 AM 9/9/08
the only use i ever got out of newton is what i got out of the 9,000 newton t shirts dad came home with when they shut it down
nutbastard