Since he already had $25k in Canon lenses would his review be a little biased? What do you think?

kaylix

It might not be the biggest, but it sure is the best.

Notch Johnson

@Wegmans:

Tis the season.

[www.photokina-show.com]

Bodie1550

Does she come with the camera?

generall

@FlashSandbox: You mean who will GIVE you $50,000. 25 grand in glass, 2700 for the camera, you will probably need at least two, and the rest is for the small stuff that adds up to a lot: lighting, actors, make-up, catering, costumes/clothing, crew and accessories. That should get you through about 1-2 hours of filming. Still, the cost/performance ratio is quite impressive.

oyumurtaci

This is evidence that you get what you pay for. Cha-ching!

homerjay

I think if you need to borrow $2700 you should probably start with a lower end camera you can afford, shoot some stuff, make some money and pay cash for the 5D M2.
I've been waiting for this camera for a while now. I've been shooting a 20D for 3 years.

bryanscottphotography

HOLY SHIT. That's simply insane. Tech these days is absolutely incredible.

Stang70Fastback

lots of info about cameras in the past few weeks.. i wonder why?

Wegmans

Wow. Holy shit. Does it come with a guilt-waver for your friends?

Pwnage

Better yet. Who's the girl?

Volalum

Very cool. Now who will lend me $2700?

FlashSandbox

@oyumurtaci: But if I already have lenses, and I have friends that will help out if I want to make a movie, then it's just $2700 for the body.

FlashSandbox

@Mandatory_Field: Aww crap. The Gear pages don't seem to be there anymore, but picture 4 roller bags and a couple of Pelican cases crammed with drool-inducing gear, and you'll get the picture (ar ar)...

Mandatory_Field

@UofITom: They're actually screencaps of his site, not the actual file. But yes, we did. We actually talked to him about the shoot and the camera, as noted in the post.

matt buchanan

@kaylix: Ummm, he actually seems to have significantly more than $25K in lenses: Take a look at his documentation of packing for shooting the Olympics here: [www.vincentlaforet.com] That inspired me to trade up my old canvas Domke bag (still good for another couple decades of use) for a Think Tank roller bag (which is built like a tank). If you want to see awesome camera porn, check out that link!

Mandatory_Field

@UofITom: Yeah, I saw that too and asked myself the same thing. Hope the Giz doesn't get sued, lol.

Stang70Fastback

@kaylix: Biased? Did you look at those pictures? He didn't have to say anything.

Hestika

"A top commercial film editor who who regularly edits RED camera footage - and has seen the raw footage from the 5D MKII - says the 5D MKII is "far superior to the RED camera" in terms of low light performance…"

Stalhandske

"*YOU MAY LINK TO THIS SITE - BUT YOU MAY NOT REPUBLISH ANY OF THESE IMAGES IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN ANY OTHER MEDIA WITHOUT PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION. GIVEN THAT THESE WERE SHOT WITH A PROTOTYPE CAMERA - I HAD TO DO A LOT TO OF MANEUVERING TO GET THESE OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WITH CANON. PLEASE DO NOT HELP THIS COME BACK TO HAUNT ME (AND POSSIBLY YOU AND/OR YOUR ORGANIZATION) BY STEALING THESE IMAGES AND/OR VIDEO WITHOUT PRIOR PERMISSION FROM BOTH CANON AND LAFORET VISUALS INC. IN WRITING. "

Did you guys get permission?

UofITom

I'm curious about panning though. The Nikon D90 has some distortion issues with that, and this video seems to avoid panning altogether.

godofpumpkins

The Japanese Canon site has posted movies and stills from the camera:

[cweb.canon.jp]

It's mostly in Japanese, but once you get through to the index page, click on Photos & Movies at the bottom.

Nocturnia

Awesome, just awesome.

jibbly

@discounteggroll: AND a bomb-sniffing dog.

buoyant

"the best camera ever" ans its only $2700 that sounds like a pretty good deal considering the best of everything else is a lot more.

gamecrazychris

almost all primes...this guy doesn't mess around

discounteggroll

Awesome!

Can't wait to see what Red has got up it's sleeve.

Jason

The 5D MKII is certainly a game changer. Unfortunately I find it tough enough to pack my 40D for day trips with all of my lenses and often end up going to a compact P&S camera instead.

We want an HD video camera but will likely go with something quick and easy for either of us to use like the Canon HF100.

If I was still single and shooting all the time the 5D MKII would be in my bag just as soon as I could get my grubby mitts on one.

canyoncarver

@matt buchanan: I figured, but wouldn't be the first time ;)

UofITom

Awesome - Canon just kick butt these days - bye bye Nikon!

MINI Driver

@Mandatory_Field: It's still there. You just included an extraneous period in your link. Try this:

[www.vincentlaforet.com]

Now let's just hope the site doesn't crash from all the extra visitors he'll get now.

buoyant

ummm, I am just going to sit in my chair for a few minutes cause I can't get up now...I think it is my back, yeah my back hurts, it will be fine in just a few minutes, really, go on, nothing to see here...

(I am glad I invested in Canon lenses)

andrelix

I've already pre-ordered it. CAN'T WAIT!! I can finally push the quality of all the L glass I've invested in.

spaceman37

The thing is, the link you guys point out are shots taken by an amateur. This guy is a pro and of course when he is using a tilt shift lens for the top photo, it is going to look better than any lens you can throw on the nikon you guys reviewed. Not saying that this isn't better than the nikon but please! Consider a fair comparison next time! Pro photographer + cool new camera > amateur + cool new camera assuming cool new camera is equivalent

isaacws

So, those are video stills?
Beautiful. Do you think it's possible might make some sort of "body" to house the camera for shooting video?
I think it would get kind of comfortable to shoot for long periods just holding the camera

Isoko

Insert couple here: [IMG][i38.tinypic.com]]

mach1andy

Photoshopped

The Terminator

@buoyant: Thanks! That's what happens when you're sick and your brain is operating in reduced-functionality mode....

Mmmm, camera porn... :-)

Mandatory_Field

@nismor2: If you look at the comments on his site he does comment on panning and says it's perfect.

@Nocturnia: Canon is known for posting just terrible samples from their cameras, and these are no different.

bjarnia

Want.

1timeonly

i want to see canon take this sensor (or one even more geared to video) and throw it in a more dedicated video body.

XL 3?

endless

This is the the same marketing strategy that Nikon Pulled with the D90. The camera is in focus, and its already framed. I will reserve my judgment until i see some quick panning from left to right to see if this camera will have a rolling shutter or yello effect. I have no doubt that when still or frame the camera will look amazing with a bump of resolution above the Nikon D90. Look at the leaked video to see that they just cut alot to avoid panning.

nismor2

@isaacws: I agree. While those shots do look fantastic, and the Pro who took them says the camera is the 'best', not in a million years would an amateur be able to get results like that, even with all the fancy lenses and supplemental lighting he surely used to get that result.

LastVigilante

Stuff like this inspires me to become a criminal. Why? Because, being a student, I live on dreams of owning this stuff; dreams of stuff are all I have to get me through college.

That, and respect, and the sex that stems from respect and stuff. But being a criminal could give me all these things in no time. (Not that I'm belittling the criminal profession into being easy, of course.)

D.E.P.C.

@bryanscottphotography: Wow, and I thought I was the only one still using a 20D.

LoganAdams

I have been a devout Nikon fan, owning 9 different D/SLR bodies, since taking my first photography class with Joe Zarba in MS51 in Park Slope fifteen years ago. This, however, may be the first camera the makes me want to switch to Canon.

@chris.evans: The D700 does shoot HD (720p), just not full-HD (1080p).

Gilbert

To be honest. The D700 shot with these lenses by a professional photographer would also look great. However, it doesn't shoot HD, so what's the point.

Also, to the people comparing it to a RED, how much footage can the thing store? I mean this is still a DSLR, it's not geared for this type of use.

chris.evans

@chris.evans:

d700 the point: better AF and faster

5dm2: 1080P (!!!) maybe better IQ? i want to see some head to head.

endless

@matt buchanan:
the d90 is NOT usable as a video camera. [s477.photobucket.com]
the youtube video above shows that the 5D mkii is usable as a video camera

theotherstevejobs

@sguth925m:
that's why they made the 1D mkiii...

for my studio's needs, depending on how the first 5D mkii works out, we _may_ just cancel our order for Sony EX-1s... again, depending on how testing goes...

having the ability to shoot photos and video with on camera would be worth losing a bit of video functionality for doing small, not-for-profit films in Africa and eastern europe... the biggest problem is that you have to be able to carry on _all_ the gear onto the airplane when you travel on the budgets that we have to.

theotherstevejobs

@Gilbert:The D700 doesn't shoot video, the d90 does, but it's a totally different market. It'll be interesting to see who got video more right, Canon going for semipros to pros, or Nikon for advanced amateur. I'm guessing Nikon wishes they had put video in the d700 now though.

matt buchanan

@bryanscottphotography:
you and me both. except i'm keeping my 20D to show people what we had to shoot with "back in the day"

@D.E.P.C.:
don't be an ass.... we that CAN afford this stuff were all students at one point... i made 24 grand my first year out of college with 60 grand in student loans... so stop looking to Obama to be your saviour/Robin Hood - just finish school, get off your ASS and start working and since you live in the US, you too will be able to afford one of these someday. Ass.

theotherstevejobs

@LoganAdams:

I'm still using my 20D...but my L series glass is going to go well with the new 5D. Just wish the fps were higher. Hard to shoot an airshow.

sguth925m

Ok now let's see some motion.

If you pan the camera will the bottom of the frame be 1/4 of a second behind the top?

Will every one turn into midgets if they jump up into the air?

Will the compression hold up to anything in the frame actually moving?

How does it look in daylight? Sure careful lighting at night looks great, but I can make any camera look fantastic with very careful and controlled lighting.

im.thatoneguy

@theotherstevejobs: Pssssssssssst, it was pretty obvious that D.E.P.C was joking. Also, not sure what Obama has to do with it.

Also, I want this camera bad. I CAN afford it, but I can't justify it. Photography's just a hobby of mine. Still, so so pretty.

Spoondizzle

Not bad. What remains to be seen is how well the video compression holds up. They say approximately 12min of video on a 4gig card, so that puts the bitrate at about 5.5MB/s (44Mbps), which is pretty good compared to other mpeg4 camcorders. Give us an even better compression option and it can be a real competitor to Scarlet.

shaneschofield

@theotherstevejobs:

VR on or VR off?

Something4u

Uh.. my RED shoots 4k RAW Redcode. The Canon shoots 1080p video. To give you an idea of frame size and technology differences, go here;

[www.red.com]

There are some significant differences in technology as well as body types, lens selection (PL mount on RED, Canon or Nikon), accessories, blahblahblah. Apples to Oranges.

Great to see Canon offering the option, though. Wish I had it on my 1ds MKIII! Maybe they will release an upgrade (hah!).

Best,

C

cepheusfilms

it's amazing because of the low light capabilities and the price.
although once you start spending money on glass, it adds ups fast. as
a filmmaker i'm tempted but because it isn't dedicated to video (XLR
inputs for audio, multiple frame rates, more shutter speeds) i don't
think i could take the plunge. at the moment i think the RED one is
still my best option.

RoscoPeeholePain

I'll reserve final judgement for the end-product and a the actual video from this thing, but it looks like this thing has very video-esque motion to it. That's all well and good if you wanna compete with a high-end video camera, but you're not going to be convincing as far as the cine market. This is where the red competes. It'd be like taking a really low-end video camera and adding a 35mm adapter. Still looks like video, but with depth of field added. Again, I'm saving my final judgement, but right now I'm not entirely convinced it's going to put RED out of business, despite it being supposedly better in low-light.

darthsaber10

@matt buchanan: I stand corrected. It was the D90 that I was in fact referring to!

Thanks, Matt!

Gilbert

I shoot with a 5D which is already superb, but I will buy this as soon as it is available. Incredible!

ecobore

Wow, he needs to stick with still photography. Just because your SLR can make videos, doesn't mean you should. It also looks like it was shot 30fps, should stick to 24fps for a Hollywood feel rather than AV student feel.

HexiumVII

@cepheusfilms: I think the "competition" really settles on the RED Scarlet. Yes, it will have the capabilities to shoot up to 3K, but I get the feeling that most users are going to be shooting HD (there are many technical reasons to do this). Also, consider that the Scarlet will have the dedicated video things that this camera won't, particularly when it comes to sound. The biggest downside will be Scarlet's fixed lens. However, I think that this camera is going to be important. If they could push this tech a little further, add some of the dedicated video things (XLR is a big one), get it to 24p, and put it at a reasonable price, I think it could give RED some competition, even at 1080.

darthsaber10

This will honestly be amazing for video only if they would support RAW video and 24P. There also doesn't seem to be any serious CMOS rolling shutter artifacts like the D90.

I'm sure Canon being a huge player in the video market will have this sensor in a camcorder form factor in the future with the proper features.

@darthsaber10:
Scarlet is dedicated video device, which makes all the difference in the world. But its a 2/3" sensor with a fixed lens. Great in camcorder standards, but low-light and image quality this 5DII should beat it by a good margin (the screen grabs are proof enough). Plus you can't use the fast Canon lenses.

3K is probably not that useful other than archiving(and spec-whoring), and people that need that sort of quality can afford the Red One or Panavision Genesis. Hell, the Genesis that is hundreds of thousands of dollars can only do 1080p, and that was good enough for Superman Returns and other block busters.

We should see Panasonic, Olympus, Samsung/Pentax also announce some video dslrs with comparatively huge sensors in the next year. The Panasonic is said to do full-HD in 60fps. We'll see how relevant Scarlet is when they actually show something.

Scaramanga

@Scaramanga:

Completely, agree with you. I wouldn't be surprised if they used this technology on their camcorders. And since RED will be competing in the DSLR space next year, this seems like a good move for Canon to prevent people from moving to that platform.

djangopool9

@im.thatoneguy:

If you read his blog, he was actually using only one modeling light. Most of the light is ambient light.

djangopool9

@HexiumVII: 24 FPS does not equal a "Cinematic" feel. Cinematographers don't shoot everything at 24 FPS.

Mr_Maze

@kaylix: @Mandatory_Field: He's also a Canon sponsored photographer.

Mr_Maze

I'm pretty sure that the 5d mkII doesn't shoot in 24fps, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd like to hear some more real-world (aka. relevant to people who take pictures) experiences regarding this camera. Like have they improved the auto-focus over the first version? At any point do the extra mega pixels provide more noise? Some direct high ISO comparisons with earlier generations as well as the nikons...

I don't know why everybody is focusing on this video feature, sure it's nice, but come on, just imagine, practically, shooting a video with a dslr. Sounds uncomfortable...

15sunrises

I sell cameras/computers at Circuit City. I wonder what our chances of getting this in store are, lol. I would never be able to work again...

CSUSam

Wow. I wonder how many undies this ruined when it was unveiled for the first time.

Larrrn

@Mr_Maze: "24 FPS does not equal a "Cinematic" feel. Cinematographers don't shoot everything at 24 FPS."

Yes, but no matter what speed you shoot to begin with for slow motion, different looks or whatever, the final product is 24 FPS.

Killjoy

I would love to read a full comparo vs the Nikon D90. The still grabs look amazing, though.

and @15sunrises -- your questions are answered on the blog.

Novenus

@kaylix: The glass is really negligable unless you're shooting in really low light conditions, or want to throw your f-stop for really limited depth of field shots. You can always work around a video shoot with two bodies and a handful of lenses - none of which you need ridiculous f-stop range for if you have proper lighting.

vox9r

Is it possible to shoot in 24p? If not, I don't see this breaking into the Indi film arena. You can't do much with 30p except shoot the news and soaps.

andersh2404

"The only issue that would stop a person from shooting a TV pilot solely with this camera is sound matching, he says. If that's covered, you're gold."

it is covered.

Record the sound to a separate device (which is the smart thing to do) and use this:

[img.alibaba.com]

Then match it up in the edit.

tobsterius

All the video quality in the world won't help unless you have great lighting and know what you are doing. This camera won't make joeshmoe a steven spielberg.

AbrahamMunippus

is it me or do the stills look like they can translate to a pricey $ DoF adapter for a camcorder? tope image yes, shift lens - but others have bokeh...if this thing can deliver HD with a 35mm DoF look...can be interesting.

poorkiddd

I am no photography expert but WOW!!! that was amazing....this camera is worth every penny!

gravion17