Toys
Working Plastic-Welder Toy For Kids Sounds Like Lawsuit-In-Waiting
Posted by Kit Eaton at 9:28 PM on August 8, 2008
The Discovery Power Welder's sales pitch is fantastic, and worrying: "discover the power to make and create with the tool that safely welds plastic to plastic." And sure, the kit comes with specially-crafted parts that'll let your little-ones knock together a plastic dinosaur, plane or car. But what happens then? Do they start tackling their Lego collection with it, or decide to weld your iPod to your vacuum cleaner? Ok... so it's battery powered, and probably doesn't get all that hot, but we know just how "inventively naughty" kids can be. For just US$30 this could allow your children to fuse your credit cards into one lump, never to be used again. [Product page via Random Good Stuff]

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andy
Posted October 4, 2008 3:54 PM
About 30 years ago I got a model aeroplane kit off santa that came with a plastic weld gun that worked the same as this one. It works by spinning the weld rod and making a spin friction weld on the parts. I remember being disapointed with the plane... (I was 8 years old and thought the plane would fly but it just rolled along the ground), but I had heaps of fun with the welding gun. I just wish they had ipods back then so I could have stuck them to the Hoover or something like the previous poster suggested.
Seriously though, I didn't manage to damage anything and never got more than a first degree burn :-). Much safer than a glue gun. It was heaps of fun and one of the memorable toys I had as a kid. I will get one of these for mine.
Maxxofor
Posted 10:18 PM 8/8/08
Mommy LOOOOK! I welded GI-Joe to your toy. Now he's anatomically correct. :-)
GO JOE!
Maxxofor
Git Em SteveDave displays attention-grabbing vanity
Posted 10:13 PM 8/8/08
@OMG! Ponies!: Yeah, but don't you need to plug it into BOTH holes of the outlet for it to really melt things?
Git Em SteveDave displays attention-grabbing vanity
Kaiser-Machead's WALL-E fetish
Posted 10:12 PM 8/8/08
@dufus: Yeah, I had something like that when I was a kid. It just spins and the plastic tabs melt and "glue" stuff together, but it was a cheap brittle plastic that just snapped apart.
Kaiser-Machead's WALL-E fetish
dufus
Posted 10:09 PM 8/8/08
There was a toy like this back in the 80's... you used it to build cars. (Speed welder or something like it..)
As I recall, it wasn't that popular. The "weld" was pretty weak, and the toy you ended up building wasn't all to durable.
dufus
fluf
Posted 10:09 PM 8/8/08
Look! Now your glasses have bicycle reflectors!
Look! I made one giant remote of all the remotes in the house.
Look! Now the can opener has a dinosaur head coming out of it.
Look! I welded all the Legos I could find... now I need more Legos!
Look! I welded Barbie to your iPhone!
Look!..............
fluf
Hectorvex
Posted 10:08 PM 8/8/08
@Curves: I used to do that when I was a kid with a lighter and a c-clamp. At least this way the kids will learn how to use a tool. Or boil their dog's eyeball. Either way, fun is had by all.
Hectorvex
Curves
Posted 10:07 PM 8/8/08
I can see it now, Bwrbie head welded to GI Joes body, welding into T-Rexs belly. This remind me of Syd (the mean kid next door) from Toy Story.
Curves
ecobore
Posted 9:56 PM 8/8/08
Not to mention all those lovely warm plastic odours they are going to breath in! This thing is insane!
ecobore
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 9:39 PM 8/8/08
Who says the kid is going to use it to fuse plastic. It's long and pointy. Just right for probing things.
Like the electrical outlet.
OMG! Ponies!
ryanrule
Posted 10:37 PM 8/8/08
Actually this is not a new product. How it works is that plastic tip spins, you apply it to the seam between 2 plastic parts, and the friction melts the plastic rod and holds the parts together. The plastic rod is made out out of a plastic that melts at a very low temp. You get a whole bunch of rods to use, they go fast.
ryanrule
Lizard_King
Posted 10:36 PM 8/8/08
When I was 8, my parents gave me a Weller soldering station and a Heathkit alarm clock kit. Some would question whether or not a kid should have a soldering iron at 8, I am glad my father did not.
Lizard_King
J. Nadeau
Posted 10:31 PM 8/8/08
@OMG! Ponies!: Fried Junior for dinner.
J. Nadeau
y_chromosome
Posted 10:28 PM 8/8/08
Yeah, I had one of these toys (in 1972, if I recall correctly) and it was indeed called the SpinWelder. When I ran out of the plastic welding rods, I stuck all sorts of stuff on it. Any plastic rod within reach was instantly welded onto something else.
It, along with my Erector Set (no jokes - it's too easy) was probably responsible for my love of all things mechanical.
y_chromosome
Killjoy
Posted 10:28 PM 8/8/08
The perfect accessory for plastic animal toys. Imagine your joy if, as a child, you'd had the ability to create tigeraffes and gorillaphants.
Killjoy
OMG! Ponies! Amazing Bacon Drinks
Posted 10:24 PM 8/8/08
@Git Em SteveDave displays attention-grabbing vanity: Let's have Junior shove it into the grounding hole and see what happens.
OMG! Ponies! Amazing Bacon Drinks
superbryant
Posted 10:22 PM 8/8/08
@Hectorvex: same here I fused stuff together all the time, I got my first zippo when i was 11....fun times....fun times... :)
superbryant
Aoi
Posted 10:57 PM 8/8/08
@Killjoy: Do you know what you get if you mix an elephant with a rhino?
Elephino.
Aoi
takoattack
Posted 10:56 PM 8/8/08
ben heck smiles
takoattack
Matthew77
Posted 10:54 PM 8/8/08
@ryanrule:
Agreed. I had a toy like this in the 70s, called "Spinwelder"
It was one of the coolest things I ever had, but definitely created fumes that probably have shortened my life.
Matthew77
vinnyr
Posted 10:54 PM 8/8/08
Must... Buy.... QUICKLY!!!!! Need Car..... Must Buy!
I want one so bad, that looks like so much fun,
Dad: Bobby do your homework
Bobby: I dont want to
Dad: Do I need to introduce G.I. Joe to mr. Melty?
Bobby: Please NO, I will do my homework!!!!
vinnyr
apeguero
Posted 10:48 PM 8/8/08
"Sorry Doctor. I thought he would only use it for welding his little plastic toys. I never thought he would use it to poke [insert defenseless little loved one or favorite pet's name here]'s eye out."
apeguero
aaj111
Posted 11:29 PM 8/8/08
Will It Blend?
aaj111
knyghtryda
Posted 11:55 PM 8/8/08
@Matthew77:
Yup. I had one when I was a kid. This was around 1995. It was a car kit that you could smash up then rebuild with the spinwelding system. Definitely smelled bad, but it was fun to be able to send the toy down a flight of stairs and have it completely blow apart by the time it got to the bottom.
knyghtryda
lpranal
Posted 11:49 PM 8/8/08
PSH, when I was 8, we were welding metal! All we had was a car battery, some wires and a crochet needle! Didn't need no fancy-schmancy kit!
These days I use methylene chloride for welding plastic - fun stuff! Kids love it*
*don't ever, EVER let your kids play with it.
lpranal
Curves
Posted 12:03 AM 9/8/08
I never knew I wanted to learn to weld until now. Something to add to my "Bucket List".
Curves
GeekyNerdGuy
Posted 12:42 AM 9/8/08
@Curves: It's not hard -- it's just hard to make it pretty.
GeekyNerdGuy
NCMO
Posted 12:29 AM 9/8/08
@Curves: Here's a secret, you already know how to weld, you just haven't done it yet!
NCMO
DMF
Posted 12:28 AM 9/8/08
Sweet. Can't wait to get this for my nephew.
DMF
OMG! Ponies! Amazing Bacon Drinks
Posted 12:57 AM 9/8/08
@Curves: Oh please. I know that's been on your list ever since you saw "Flashdance"
OMG! Ponies! Amazing Bacon Drinks
Killjoy
Posted 12:51 AM 9/8/08
@Aoi: Oh lordy... Nice one. Another bad joke to add to my arsenal.
Killjoy
BrandonW
Posted 1:28 AM 9/8/08
Hell, I want one of these!
Personally, I think we need more toys that stimulate inventiveness in children. Things like real chemistry sets and toys that had a real chance to injury. And yes, while somewhat tongue in cheek, I really do mean that.
BrandonW
CSX321
Posted 1:17 AM 9/8/08
SpinWelder! Yep, I had one of these in the 70s. It was a pretty cool toy for a kid, actually. There were also plastic rivets you could use to attach cardstock "skins" to the things you made.
CSX321
aec007
Posted 2:08 AM 9/8/08
@Curves:
I've welded plastic before. (with professional equipment from Fein Tools and such... worth thousands of dollars)
No matter now careful you are, it still looks crappy. Specially because temperatures at the tip are fairly high and you have to use plastic welding rods. Rods are messy, unpredictable in flow and cool too fast so you do not have working time.
Best method for welding plastics is sonic welding. But that's and industrial process in itself.
For the DIY in all of us, you can weld plastic by using a soldering iron (5 ~ 10 watts) and connect it to a dimmer. Adjust the voltage until you get the tip to the right melting point.
Too cool... it takes for ever.
Too hot and plastic becomes brittle, bubbles up and burns.
You want to get it to the point that it soften it and makes the plastic smooth and strings out like mozzarela.
You have to clean the tip often, plastic left in the tip burns up and messes up the rest of the work.
If you need to fill a gap, break a piece of plastic from a section you do not see from the outside. Same material means a compatible weld and fusing.
This technique works for soft plastics, (propylene, nylon, nalgene, etc...).
Hard plastics such as resins, polycarbs, acrylics are better suited for superglues and epoxies.
Ciao.
:)
aec007
Diskoboy
Posted 3:38 AM 9/8/08
I grew up with miniature tools like this, lawn darts, trampolines without any safety precautions, riding in the front seat of a car with no safety seat, our parents smoked like freight trains....
If someone sues over this - it will be absolute proof that the US has become a bunch of wimpy little babies.
Diskoboy
scandalmonger
Posted 3:45 AM 9/8/08
They're all right. It's harmless. I had one growing up and never hurt myself. I think designing toys to be safe is important but c'mon, anything sharper than a golf ball and we're wagging our fingers at these developers designing toys to be creatively inspiring.
If a thousand children play with and enjoy it and ONE dumb-ass kid wonders what it'll be like to weld his eye shut; lets just get it over with and pack him in pillows for the rest of his life.
scandalmonger
banned4life
Posted 5:23 AM 9/8/08
Awesome. Toys of the 1970s are returning. I had one of these.
banned4life
Purple Dave
Posted 5:03 AM 9/8/08
I know of four different ways to weld plastic:
1. Solvent welding, where you introduce something like acetone to dissolve the plastic at the intended bond site, and once the solvent evaporates away the plastic resolidifies (like you'd use for PVC water pipes).
2. Spin-welding (which was actually a new one for me), where a plastic with a low deflection temp is spun against a fixed surface to generate localized heat without the use of an actual heating tip.
3. Extrusion/rod welding, where you are actually using a hot-tip welder, and either manually feeding a plastic rod into the weld joint (looks like crap), or feeding it through an extrusion device (looks _MUCH_ better).
4. Sonic welding, where a metal tip is vibrated at a very high frequency, such that it can actually cause plastic to melt by vibrative friction (similar to the spin-welding concept, except that you can use this to spot-weld two large flat pieces together, without having any stems or pre-drilled holes).
I've only ever done solvent-welding, but I did get to see a demonstration of some extrusion/rod welders, and once got to see someone actually fabricating parts with a sonic-welder (note that they emit a very high-pitched whine, so people with good high-end hearing might envision trips to the dentist or fingernails being scraped across chalkboards when one of these is being used).
@aec007:
Different plastics require different welding techniques. Some plastics have actual melting points, where they go directly from solid to liquid (where you can pour it like water). Plastic like ABS does not (they just get gooey like chewed gum), but ABS does absorb moisture. If you're getting a honeycomb effect when you melt it, chances are it's a hygroscopic plastic that you forgot to dry before welding with it, and you'll never get an optimum weld (even though you might not see the bubbles from the outside, if you cut through the weld you'll probably see pin-prick bubbles that weaken the plastic on the inside).
And from your description, I'd guess you were using a rod-welder, which sucks bigtime compared to a true extrusion welder (think along the lines of how a good hot-melt glue gun works).
Purple Dave
Arcticfox400
Posted 5:30 AM 9/8/08
its a frickin hot glue gun wow...
Arcticfox400
hg_gizmo
Posted 10:11 PM 8/8/08
This is nothing new. I had this in the 70's. Google a toy called Spinwelder. I can still remember the smell of burning plastic. It was pretty cool at the time, and I don't recall welding any GI Joes together.
hg_gizmo
machtzu
Posted 9:59 PM 8/8/08
Guys it's likely to be an ultrasonic welder and not a thermal welder.
machtzu
Kspray
Posted 10:49 PM 8/8/08
Return of SpinWelder!
[www.inthe70s.com]
Kspray
krystar
Posted 10:40 PM 8/8/08
yea seriously, what's the difference between this and a ratshack $10 soldering iron? i can weld lego's just fine as is today!
krystar