@snitch29: Oh, and i assume you did a fresh install of Vista on your MacBook (if you even did). Did you also do the same for the HP?

Why don't you try transferring an image of your HP machine OS install to your MacBook then come back and tell me how much faster it is.

Apple PC's are not magical. To believe they are is delusional.

diabolusunknownTheSecond

nice little lappy. Better make sure you have a cleaning cloth handy.

I believe he says HE wouldn't buy because it doesn't run OSX. Why does everyone have a problem with that? If you saw a gorgeous laptop with great features, but it only runs Amiga OS (whatever that was), wouldn't you also say "the problem is it doesn't run ___OS"?

kahri

Great looking machine with nice large screen, but why do laptop makers keep putting the USB ports on the right side??? That means when something is plugged in (thumb drive), it's right in the way of a right-hander's (external) mousing area.

Hap

W@snitch29: What are the specs for your old macbook. Since Apple doesn't use model numbers, i cant just find them.

diabolusunknownTheSecond

@diabolusunknownTheSecond: Dude i have a brand new Hp dv6930us and a 2 year old macbook, and honestly this HP machine can't even come close to the old macbook, and as i said before i took out the virus software to make it run a little bit faster but i guess that's not helping and i can't put more ram cause it already has 4GB on it, thank god it was given to me and i didn't have to pay for it.

snitch29

matte is the future. shiny is so cheesy and 90s feeling..

rudeadly

Ah, no it wont kill the MB air because its missing that one feature that makes people buy it; the apple logo!

hu_hu_cool

@snitch29: Are we still believing that myth? If both machines have the same hardware, they run the same software identically (given the install conditions). There's no magic in an OSX machine, except the magic any other company can acquire, like Intel CPU's and Nvidia/ATI/Intel graphics. Stop with these outright lies.

diabolusunknownTheSecond

The fact that it doesn't run OSX doesn't matter. If you do a comparison of two pieces of hardware, then compare the hardware. If you want to compare operating systems, then compare them.
Frankly, my linux OS kicks the living crap out of your limiting and limited OSX for what I want to do with my computer. The only thing I care about is which hardware works best, and including the OS in the review skews that information.
Sure it's a sticky situation since you can't put OSX on other computers (without tweaking and possibly breaking the law) and some people thing it's a beneficial addition, but if you have to sacrifice hardware quality in order to get OSX, that's a fault of Apple's, not of Samsung's.

A simple way to put it would be that Samsung's machine does what it was designed to do better than Apple's does. So the question is what do you want your machine to do.

jorvay

Pretty sure Samsung doesn't export their laptops to the USA, so if chubby Americans want one, they'll likely have to buy through an importer and I seriously doubt it'll be anywhere near $1800 (in a bad way).

bahalana

I didn't even know the the MB Air need to be killed. Doesn't the term "??? killer" mean to knock off something very popular. Mac users in general only represent a very small portion of computer users and only a very small portion of those have an Air so why "kill" something that has very, very, small base.

baltwade

Oh... I forgot to ask...

does it have backlit keyboard? After using one on my Dell Studio 15 I wouldn't buy a laptop without it again.

oneclick

@snitch29: I imagine the same reason why Linux is.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

^^ forgot to mention...

IT CAN RUN CRYSIS!!! albeit in lower resolution

taking_this_easy

That looks very nice. I could care less of it runs osx as I'm happy with Vista. Yes lets see what the price is... for $1800 I'd pick one up.

oneclick

Is it LED backlit like the MBA???? i also hope that they're joking about it coming with just 1GB or Ram cause that's nothing for a windows vista machine, Heck my work laptop came with 4GB of Ram and after uninstalling the Virus (scams) it's still slow as fuck sometimes.
I also do know for a fact that you could throw 512MB on a OS X machine and it will still runs faster than a windows machine, why??? i don't know why.

snitch29

Yea, but how's Samsung's support? Somehow I get the feeling that they're like Sony. Once the device is out the door, you're on your own. Forget about ever seeing firmware updates or other fixes.

Noobs-R-Us

Nice looking laptop, however I steer clear of glossy finishes.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

i still like my Dell m1330
4lb, everything the X360 has above plus DVD drive, $1200.....

good price balance... too bad about the nVIdia fiasco...

taking_this_easy

This review should be submitted in the Pystar court hearing as evidence that Apple is a monopoly.

Acording to Jesus, no one can sell competing thin laptops because Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS.

Navin R Johnson

seems to me that you were just trying to find something wrong with it if all you can up with is it doesnt run the OS you want...

so i take it its a godsend laptop..?

mstolfe

@nocar: Still thinner than the Air.

Jesus Diaz

@ronnsprocket: but that requires fiddling with it and I'm too lazy. The reason I got my first Mac-a PowerMac 8100 after years of using a PC-is because it gives me no hassles.

Jesus Diaz

Ultra thin at the edges but there's a big battery lump on the bottom.

nocar

@helfrez: GRR I HATEZ NO APPLE

enjoy

ALT

i like the piano back finish...

jewsrock

jesus, i wouldnt say not having osx is a problem. being that your extremely tech saavy, installing osx on this guy would be nearly as easy as installing windows.

ronnsprocket

incoming Apple fanboi troll in 3...2..1

helfrez

Very cool. That would be a nice portable linux station.

FlashSandbox

This will go great with my xbox 360........did the joke pan out?..........guess not.

Totalfixation

Hate to break it to Apple, but ANYTHING is a Macbook Air killer.

The MBA is all form and minimal function.

Lenovo and Samsung are showing us how this game is really supposed to be played. A perfect balance of form AND function.

(Note: For all of you quick-to-jump Apple fanboys, I'm typing this on a MBP)

Jon B.

I must not have been paying attention recently, because how did I miss that naming scheme? X360? Seriously?

karmaghost

I don't understand why they make glossy plastics on products that you are going to put your fingers all over. It doesn't make much sense. It is a nice lappy, though, you'd just have to keep a micro fiber cloth very close at hand.

maven2k

How come there's no more news or hype for the MBA? How come we don't hear numbers from Apple on how many were sold? Is it like the Apple TV?

mailbox01

The guy in this video said HD output instead of HDMI, and called VGA as VGI.
Come on people!

biofreak

@karmaghost: no kidding x360. What else is named really really close to that?

1roll20s

@snitch29:
maybe reading a bit will actually answer your questions.....

i mean it's not like a few stories down the page ([gizmodo.com]) there is a review where your question is answered in the first paragraph of the summary....

oh wait, you just wanted to try and make the AIR seem better without any real knowledge...

FAIL.

mikeg916

No, that'd be a glaring feature omission. Without OS X, it's just ugly and worthless.

SpudMills

"It can't run Mac OS X"

I consider that a feature.

Cupajo

What's wrong with the finish? Is it scratching or flaking? Or are you just bitching because you don't like the color?

XDoctor

@Jesus Diaz: Sounds like a challenge to me! If I can get it working would it still be too much trouble to follow the steps?

Hmmm sounds like an AWESOME blog post

@biofreak: I thought I was the only one who noticed as i read down the comments! LMFAO!

AskTheAdmin

This article could not possibly reek of "apple fanboy" any more, short of you posting pictures of yourself with Steve Jobs' cock in your mouth and an iPhone in your hand.

ZombieRace

@jorvay: Linux kicks OS X ass, how?

iomatic

The piano black/glossy finish is a total boner killer. I want matt black or gunmetal grey or hot pink. Seriously though, that finish is gross. Its supposed to be classy, but it just comes off as annoying.

Depending on the price, i'd get this in a heartbeat.

rainfever

@helfrez: Can we PLEASE count people talking about how trolls/fanboys will start flaming in 3..2..1 or whatever variant just as bad as the trolls/fanboys themselves.
remeber : Don't feed the trolls.

mr_bigglesworth

OS X hangs up more than vista

bacchus2678

Is it a drawback that the Macbook Air can't run Windows? Then it doesn't matter that this machine can't run OS X. Gotta be fair about this. Actually not really - it's your blog post 8^)

That being said, this looks like a sweet machine. I'm especially psyched about the 128 gig SSD.

stryder100

hate macs OS

ZetaCrossfire

Why is an Apple fan reviewing a Windows laptop? Isn't that like a Chevy employee writing a review of a Ford? Seems like a bad idea right from the start.

doubledeej

@doubledeej: He says it is a great machine, so I don't feel he is beeing a fanboy. However he has a few personal opinions, that I feel people should allowed to have, even reviewers..

krisve

@11010010: Care to explain how his ability to express his opinion is/should be treated differently than ours?

rcast1986

Yeah that's a pretty stupid "but".

I'd imagine for, oh I dunno, about 90% of the market, the fact that it *doesn't* have OSX is actually a good thing.

rcast1986

gosh, people..
could you please stop about whining that for jezus dias, the operational system is the dealbreaker? he writes that every featur about the laptop is great.. just not the os. and that is his opinion! he even writes: on a personal note..

stop whining. whatever fanboi you are. makes you look stupid.

11010010

@rcast1986: everybody should express their opinions, but when people start complaining about one detail and by that trashing the whole review, just because he mentioned the m**-word.. or the o**-word.. dunno.@

rcast1986: how can it be a good thing, if it doesn't run another system? is that an advanced feature i didn't realize existed? AFAIK, macs allow more than mac osx.

11010010

I guess another way to look at it is that I will accept a slightly higher learning curve (and these days it really is only SLIGHTLY higher) if I have a more powerful tool as a result.

jorvay

@iomatic:

That's not what I said. I said that my linux distro kicks OSX ass for WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH MY COMPUTER. More stability, more flexibility, more customizability, better use of hardware resources, universal across ANY hardware by ANY maker, faster improvement cycles, better bug correction, and the fastest user interface going. The fact that it is also free is just a bonus.
Like I've often said, let me decide what is 'user friendly' for me (that's a shot at both OSX and windows...fucking paperclip).

jorvay

@11010010: It can run Linux, so yes it can run another system. I'm pretty sure it can run OSX as well, but Jesus' gripe -- from what I understand -- is that it doesn't *come installed* with OSX. As in it's not made by Apple. And for most of the people out there, based on the marketshare at least, that's probably a good thing.

And would you REALLY want to run Windows on an Air?? Maybe if you boot up into it every time, but putting it on Parallels or VMWare Fusion would be retarded with one 1 gig of free RAM per OS.

rcast1986

FUCK OSX
Its a Crappy Operating system that was designed for IDIOTS
You could be a moron and access OSX. Atleast with windows, you have to have some sort of intellige4nce, plus there are alot more programs for it.

IMO Windows is the better OS Hands down,

And seriously? Are you so in love with apple that anything thats not white is an instant markdown in score?

This site is becoming a joke

nitefire77

Man, I wish there was some Unix based system I could install on that thing that is very attractive, functional, and fast. Too bad Mac OS can't go on it....Come on people Linux is the answer to this dilemma.

SgtToastie

@doubledeej: Seriously, they couldn't find one Windows-using staffer out there?

sxr7171

@rudeadly: Matte is NOT the future. Matte is the past, the present and the future. I will NEVER own a shiny, cheesy POS like that. I'm sticking with Thinkpads. The X200s will be smaller, lighter and thinner than this shiny ugly thing. Point it at the sun and its reflection could illuminate a walk-in closet.

sxr7171

How can you fault this notebook for not being able to (legally) run OSX? That should be in a seperate article about how much Apple sucks ass for not letting you legally install their OS onto it. I'm sure Samsung would LOVE to sell it with OSX in addition to Windows, but they dont have Steve's cock in their mouth so they cant.

wills916

So it's not a good laptop because it can't run OS X, the iPhone is a terrible phone because it can't run Windows Mobile, some cars shouldn't be on the streets because they don't work with alcohol, that girl is not beautiful because she's drinking Pepsi, that guy is not cool because he's not smoking Marlboro and so on.

Expressing personal thoughts like this in a review is NOT the way a reviewer should behave. I thought you knew it, Jesus.

About the laptop, it's really hot! I'd buy it for sure if I needed a new one.

Tiago Sartor

Jesus writes an article titled "Samsung X360 is MacBook Air Killer" and, instead of seeing Apple "fanboys" spewing hate, you get all these rabid haterz frothing at the mouth. Go figure.

If you can't understand that when someone says "And to me, that's the killer" he means "to me" and not to you or anybody else, in a blog of all places, then you really shouldn't waste time reading anything. Go get a life fuckwads.

FYI, I completely agree with Jesus. I'm an Apple fan but I'd say that this machine is a better hardware than the current MBA, and if the price is in the same range, I'd pick this over the MBA, IF ONLY it would run OSX :p

Dearhaw

I'll wait for the Samsung PS30. I heard it has a built-in Blu-Ray drive.

misterwho

Can we declare a moratorium on the "[Apple product]-killer" trope already? Apple's products live or die on their own merits or shortcomings, not because someone came out with a similar product with a few bells and whistles attached. (Microsoft beat them with an inferior product, but that's different.) If Steve Jobs were in better health, he could walk from Cupertino to San Francisco on a pathway made from the gravestones of "Apple killer" companies.

halloweenjack

Hey Jesus I have a question. When you say can't run OSX without modification.. isn't that quite obvious since it's a PC? But are you saying that it is still possible if you know how?

Playstation

too shiny.

BiZarRroBALlmeR

@11010010: Reviews...unlike user comments...are ideally supposed to be free of biased opinion. I'd say listing the fact that a laptop comes with Vista instead of OSX as a "Bad" thing or a "bug hairy but" is a) silly, given the vastly larger popularity of windows and b) biased.

About your other point:
OSX can run Vista because Windows was developed with a focus on being able to run on millions of potential hardware combinations or configurations.

OSX was designed to run on Macs...that's about it.

It isn't Microsoft's fault that getting OSX to recognize and work well with your setup is such a pain in the ass.

You might say it "just works" because it just works with whatever they want it to.

r0b2186

As a tech writer, provide facts not opinions. We'll take it from there.

cygnusx8

Wait... is the MacBook Air the bestselling ultra-thin laptop of all time? No. (Though, I know it does sell very well.)

So, why not call it a [insert bestselling device name] killer instead?

Oh... because you get the page visits for mentioning the name MacBook/iPod Killer. I get it now!

DW

wow features!!! suck that macbook air!!!

urbanturban666

I think we can just skip "doesn't run OSX" as a drawback of Windows laptops. I mean, come on.

What would you think if you read a review of a new Apple laptop and the author listed "doesn't run Windows natively" as a drawback?

Also, let's establish some difference between "competitor" and "killer," shall we? Very few products so completely crush the established leader that they can be called "killers." Not every product that is brought out to compete in a certain niche needs to be touted as a "killer" of the established leader there. Even if it's a pretty good offering.

Classic hilarious misuse of the word killer: "Google Checkout = Paypal Killer."

Yeah, that really panned out.

scarabic

-no backlit keyboard?
-no build in webcam?
.. but you can see your fingerprints clearly, all of them, all over the thing.. looks classy!
price?

sos10

I wouldn't really care for OS X running on this thing.
We already know there's no way to have that out of the factory unless apple lets companies make MAC OS X.
I'd buy this because of the simple fact that i have most of what i need at my finger tips and i dont have to connect things to it.

SneakerFiend

@mstolfe: speaks the truth!

extremer

The Voodoo Envy 133 FTW. I mean, it IS sexier than the whole lot of them.

Metkis

"It can't run Mac OS X. And to me, that's the killer."

HAH!

It also can't run a 5k. Or run for president. Or run a small country. Or Run DMC.

Haranguing about an excellent machine not running an OS with 6% market share? An OS that famously SUES when people attempt to run it non Apple-branded machines?

Very, very disappointing.

DaveExile

The thing that always amazes me is how Apple comes out with these relatively GIANT trackpads, which are an absolute pleasure to use, while their competitors do the exact opposite and use nasty features like a side strip for scrolling and cheap mouse buttons. Cannot another major notebook manufacturer implement a large, gesture-capable trackpad for their device?

Everyone's already copied the Macbook chiclet keyboard (which Sony invented, then mostly abandoned, and now is totally back on the bandwagon). Is it only a matter of time before they imitate other design aesthetics and features from the Macbook line?

I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, but everyone in the notebook space is trying to replicate Apple's recent success in the market. This invariably leads to similar products...

peacefulpony

my UMPC is piano black. It takes a mere swipe with cloth (IE rub it against my shirt front) to bring it back to shiny again. My other computers are NOT glossy, which means when they get some oily substance on it (especially the VAIO I used to use) it is extra hard to buff out the "stain".

hu da fak cares about the finish if all the messy oils and fluids coming out of me (hand salsa) end up gunking the thing up anyway.

tech-tard

@scarabic:

"What would you think if you read a review of a new Apple laptop and the author listed "doesn't run Windows natively" as a drawback?"

But many people do. Seriously, you've never read a review on PC oriented magazines that would list that as a caveat? Or, do you just have selective memory, like so many other going bonkers here?

Dearhaw

(read: I hear...)

Roams

I here X360 I think Xbox 360.
I'm thinking laptop version of an xbox?
I think it's a bad choice for a name... leads to confusion.
That's a great example of trademark infringement IMO.

Roams

@jorvay: Go fuck a penguin, you linux-elitist douche.

You talk about the Mac OS like it's not a viable consumer platform...wait, when's the last time Mac users had to scour the internet to find uncomplied device drivers that don't work? I rest my case. Don't hate us for using real Unix.

@nitefire77: I don't recall sending anyone to your house to hold a gun to your head and make you read Gizmodo...If you don't like it, READ ENGADGET. You windoze-using drones all love AOL anyway.

@r0b2186: That's not about it, that's it. OS X is made for Macs, because our software manufacturer actually gives a shit about system performance. Thus, no "here's the OS, put it on a Commodore 64 if you want, see if we care."

And @all_you_Mac_haters: Why are you people forever misspelling shit? Don't y'all have system-wide spell checking?....wait...no...

In closing, all of you that hate Apple because your parents didn't raise you properly can do one of two things:

1) STFU
or
2) DIE IN A FIRE

Ginsu

@mstolfe: Nope. Windows would be the hang up on this notebook.
@Noobs-R-Us: ? @Ginsu: lolololol, but chill out.@Roams: Better than confusing Monster Golf with Monster Cables, anyway.@tech-tard: If only Samsung could stop fucking the shit out of piano black. @Metkis: So shitty is its construction, that I would probably break it were I to accidentally sneeze. @urbanturban666: You seem like you're just looking for a side to belong to, yes man.

And Linux users are elitist douches.

MastaFalse

Is it really a problem that it can't run OSX? After all, that's all Apple's doing (and hopefully Psystar will win their countersuit, forcing Apple to allow OSX to run on other hardware).

You're reviewing a piece of hardware, not software. I love Gizmodo for everything except the bias towards Apple. It really makes your reviews absolutely meaningless, especially in this case. Face it, a hardware company made a computer that is a million times better than the MacBook Air.

BTW- I am an Apple user.

RunawayJim

RunawayJim wrote, "Face it, a hardware company made a computer that is a million times better than the MacBook Air."

You mean they announced a machine that uses the up and coming Montevina, which Apple, Lenovo and VooDoo are going to use when they update their ultra-lightweight machines? So even though three manufactures have head start on this product type Samsung is now " a million times better' because they announced theirs ahead of production? Do you not see how illogical that is?

Leonard Nimrod

@Jesus Diaz, Why would you expect a Samsung X360 to run OSX? Do you think apple would allow that?
Your love for Apple anything has been obvious, but it has gotten to a point, where you should just stick to reviewing Apple products. Comparing it to "Apple Leader" and then complaining that it doesn't run OSX is just ridiculous.

extremer

When will electronics manufacturers stop giving their gear mirror finishes? That thing was on display and already looked smudged. Imagine after a day's worth of personal use?

Though I guess the more appropriate question would be, when will people stop buying thing 1 instead of thing 2 merely because thing 1 is shinier, thereby ceasing demand for frustratingly shiny things?

There's a reason people pay premiums for matte finishes and brushed metals in almost every other industry selling hands on products.

Claystil

@extremer:

I sort of agree. I mean, at least in this review he pointed out that it was a personal setback as opposed to a general, but I digress. Simply because it can't run OSX shouldn't be mentioned in the review only because its a windows based product. Some people (myself included - who like products for being great products and not because its Apple or Microsoft) would like to have their products separated by that fact. If I'm in the mood for a Windows based product, give me the skinny, don't tell me it's bad because it can't run OSX, I don't care it can't, and neither should you. You can wait for the next Apple product, but please give me a review based on merrit and not loyalty.

MosesMonster

@Ginsu:

Great Points!

BTW - you have some Steve on your chin. . .

tech-tard

@Jesus Diaz: Where did you get your laptop stand? That would be perfect for my Powerbook. Is it wide enough for a 17" though?

Omek

It's amazing how Mac people spin things. It's OS X bad that it refuses to run on the X360, no the other way around. If you keep blaming the wrong company, things won't change. Why don't you man up and call Apple out.

LesterDemonice

Only problem is that it's a Samsung, and Samsung electronics sucks! I am a previous owner of several cellphones and MP3 players and they all prematurely broke down. I am not about to drop a grand or two on something that will only last a few months.

edwardwdogs

At first I was excited but then I watched the video,,,

The finish is ridiculous and shows a flaw that most PC design companies still don't get. The designers obviously didn't actually USE this thing before producing it. The sucker is slammed with fingerprints. I assumed the finish would at least be matte on the keyboard deck but no, they screwed it up there as well.

I also expect that if you scratch this thing the scratches will stand out so over time it will start to look like $hit quickly. Thus someone will come out with some plastic cover you have to add to it thereby making it look like a fancy couch with a plastic zip cover on it.

The design also fails as soon as you flip it over. Then it becomes a typical PC with bumps and such; no comparison to Air.

Complaining that it doesn't have OSX is silly. You can kludge it in there if you really want it

Sadly, just as with the Air this one falls short and won't get my $2k. Getting closer though!

AlternateEarth

@Jesus Diaz: I would not call the inability to run OSX a fault of the product. I'm pretty sure it is able to run if you could, which you can't because a certain someone will not license you to!

If I don't put gas in my car it won't go anywhere but that is me being an idiot expecting it to go anywhere without any gas!

valiumdeficient