Most of these rumors can be traced back to DPReview forums. Likewise, most of them are "educated speculation". Given the recent 50D announcement, it's greatly constrained the rumors since we know the bare minimum specs that a 5D2 will ring in at.

We'll naturally just have to hold our collective breaths until the end of September.

scrag

21 mp makes perfect sense.. 50d = 15mp x 1.6 = ~24, if they use the same pixel density, which would be in line with the previous generation.

When the 5d came out originally, the 20d had an 8mp.. 8 x 1.6 = ~12.8..

While a 21mp 5d might be close in MP to the 1Ds, I'd hardly put them on equal footing. The focusing systems are completely different for starters. They're aimed at 2 different market, with 2 vastly different sales quantities. i.e. the 1Ds may sell 50k bodies a year, where the 5dII may sell 500k.. (made up, but ???) So they'll have the volume to recover R&D costs spread over more unit sales.

Rumors have put this in the 3k USD price range initially, probably drifting towards 2500 after a year or so. Possibly more up front given the pent up demand.

drierp

Woohoo i cant wait, i bought a 40d 2 months ago, kinda bummed about the 50d, but not too much. The 5D(whatever it will be called) seems fantastic!

oddgit

@waltercrm: it is not so doubtful imho, when canon released the specs of 50d, a new sensor technology is revealed. considering the physical sizes of sensor used in 50d and 5d mkII, it is very possible. But i can't imagine what they're going to use in 1Ds mk II's successor

cburakb

lolololololololololololololololol

MastaFalse

@sdsviet:
i think spending 2,5k on a 40d is not such a bad thing, how much do u think 5dmkII will cost? more than 3-3,5k body only, so an equivalent set would cost more than 5k. Consider yourself happy.

cburakb

@sdsviet: I seriously hope you bought some lenses with that 40d to have spent $2500...

bananaballs

21.1 megapixels is doubtful, since that's the current top of the line (1Ds mk III). The 5D debuted with a 12MP sensor when the then-current top was 16MP (1Ds mk II).

At 21 MP, it would eat into 1Ds sales more than I think Canon would like.

waltercrm

Yeah... hd movie mode seems like pretty wishful thinking. I will be buying this camera regardless.

rudeadly

this is what i was waiting for. crap, i just spent $2500 on my 40d.

sdsviet

I can't wait for my Canon to come in tomorrow!!!!

CarmenLovesHerNewCanonDSLR

These are regurgitated dpreview rumors. Nothing to see here folks.

Ghung

There are like a million 5DII rumors floating around (especially on the DPreview forums); half of them from 'supposed' insiders. The only thing I find suspect is the HD Movie mode. Video taking in an SLR is more geared toward the amateur that the 50D would likely target; not someone spending $3k. If its in the 5DII, why would Canon not put this feature in the 50D (especially since the D90 has it). Sounds like a fake spec thrown in after the D90 announcement.

Also, the 19-point AF also sounds odd. Its an entirely new AF sensor, not used in any other camera. I would be wiser to also put it in the 50D since its so closely priced to the D300 with the 51-point AF or put the full pro-AF inside the 5DII since the D700 also has a 51-point pro-AF.

Next, Canon already has a 21.1MP sensor that's already been manufactured; the native ISO range being 100-6400 indicates that this is an entirely new sensor since the old one is 100-1600 ISO (not expanded). Why would Canon bother to make the exact same MP sensor and put the effort into designing and manufacturing it? It would be smarter to reduce pixel-density(MP) to get better low-light sensitivity, or increase the MP to compete against the 24MP Sony full-frame that's going to be announced at Photokina.

Scaramanga

And an HD price to match the 5 minutes of 1280x720 24fps "HD" recording you'll get.

heroineworshipper

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

Nickbee

@Scaramanga: Didn't the first 20+ MP Canon DSLR come out last year? Competeing with Mamiya's ZD camera? Also Hassleblad finds competition from the higher end Canons as they offer up to 5,000 dollar instant rebates for trading your old Canon 1DS Mark II/III DSLR towards purchasing a H3DII-39/39MS or H3DII-50.

When this Canon comes out, WHENEVER THAT MAY BE, I am going to love to see what the other companies offer up as competition.

CarmenLovesHerNewCanonDSLR

Very happy with my current gen of 5D. 21 Mega Pixel? WTF? I don't think I need that.

I hope the current 5D price will come down so I can pick up a second body when the new one is out.

ninelife777

not liking the HD Movie mode.... takes away from it's purity as a DSLR.

chopstickhero

@CarmenLovesHerNewCanonDSLR: Which did you get? I'm loving my 40d. Looking forward to more of your shots with some new hardware.

qbrad

@qbrad: Nevermind. Enjoy it. :)

qbrad

I want...

markarian

@drierp:
You clearly do not understand pixel density. A 21mp full frame is the same pixel density as a roughly 8mp 1.6 crop sensor. (squaring the crop factor is a handy way to roughly figure out the scaling factor)

emorphien

I got the 40d when it came out it's a great cam. It's better to spend the cash on some "L" glass you can always use it on your next body.

Celticland.com/about/ for shot gallery

lithivm

@CarmenLovesHerNewCanonDSLR:

You get a $5k rebate from trading in your $8k 1DsIII to purchase a $40K+ Hasselblad H3D. You can sell your 1DsIII for far more on then $5k on Ebay. Doesn't make much business sense.

Regardless, if they produce a 21.1MP sensor that can outdo the 1Ds in dynamic range and ISO performance then expect it to kill 1Ds sales. For studio work, that the 1Ds is designed for, 19-pt AF should be enough. Also, the 1DsIII was just released last November, kinda too early to be outdoing it with a camera that $5,000 less.

There are too many points that strike me as another 5DII rumor. I'll love for this to be true, but at $3k they really need pro-AF. AF is Canon's Achilles heal.

Scaramanga

@CarmenLovesHerNewCanonDSLR: Carmen, what camera did you get?

markarian

@Scaramanga: It would be better for Canon to steal sales from the 1Ds themselves than for their competitors to be doing it.

emorphien

@waltercrm: It wouldn't be unprecedented, if you look at their low end the new Rebel always has a higher pixel count than the last released XXD, but it generally falls short in other areas (primarily construction, but also things like burst shooting, low light sensitivity and processing). If Canon follows this scheme in the mid-high and high end then the 5D mkII will have roughly the same pixel count as the 1Ds, but not nearly the feature set and the next 1Ds will have more pixels and a complete kitchen sink attached to it.

Spoondizzle

@cburakb: I'll bet you $5,000 I know what will be used in the 1Ds MK II's successor. Hell, make that $10,000.

jimothy

@bananaballs: yea picked up a grip, 17-55 w/ hoya cpl and a 580exII, now that i think about it, might be more towards the $3000 range.

@cburakb: yea im hoping the 5dmk2 is about 3k or lower. thank goodness resale value on the items i bought is still pretty damn good so upgrade wouldnt be a problem.

sdsviet

all hail the mighty 5D mkII! Bow before its mighty powers! There's unfortunately no way a peon like me could ever afford this camera, however I will lust over it feverishly AND... its introduction just might make the 5DmkI affordable for me, fulfilling my long-held dream of owning a digital SLR with hot, full-frame sensor action! This thing cannot come out soon enough!

gloveofpower

I like Nikons. Anyone else?

misterwho

"nougat" at dpreview seems to have some inside knowledge about the upcoming 5DII sensor. He reported on it months ago long before anyone heard of gapless microlenses used on the recently announced 50D.

[forums.dpreview.com]
"..The 16MP sensor is actually a new design for Canon and isn't going to be pulled from their parts bin like they generally like to do with updated models...it's engineered to be the lowest-noise sensor around...[ISO 25600 is] actually supposed to be fairly usable on this new sensor...The sensor is something they've been working on for a long time and that has been their main focus for over a year..."

[forums.dpreview.com]
"The 5D MkII will use a totally new sensor design...In the long term they are going after this new sensor design that is much more scalable. It's like when Intel introduces a new processor (like the Core 2 Duo)...it would be cheaper for them to just keep trying to jack up the clock speed and add cooling but they reach a limit at some point and have to re-architect things. Canon is thinking years down the road (now that Nikon has caught up..."

The biggest difference is that he said the sensor will be only 16MP and have no live-view (although they were still "working out the kinks" with the new sensor and it looks like they got it working on the 50D since he wrote).

He also goes into detail about Canon's suppliers for LCD screens and how cheap it is to add it now (and now we see the 50D with one). There are lots of people writing rumors but these all make sense (even though he posted months ago) and we're slowly seeing them come to light in the 50D so it's very likely that he's right about these specs.

markritter150

Sound soooo sweet!!! Im getting this one!! DAMN is that a 24-105mm F1.4L? IS that new??

wthyo

lol. When I was shopping for a new body a couple years ago, there were all kinds of rumours about a 5D successor, and everyone warning that I shouldn't buy a 5D because the successor was "imminent".

I've had almost 2 years of shooting and nearly 20,000 shots with my 5D, and still no new model.

The 5D is spectacular, by the way. Best camera I've ever shot, and that's tough coming from a guy who started on Nikons. Trick that thing out with some L Glass (esp the 24-105 f/4) and the image quality is just unbelievable.

elvindeath